Re: Enteric coating/Acidophillus supplement

[Guest guest]

Dear Anita,

I take Dairy Care every a.m. I open 2 capsules and add it to a

little vanilla yogurt. It has no taste and has done wonders for me.

I too was concerned about the " enteric coating " .

Jane J.

BMI 42 and Shrinking

Post-Op

Lap BPD/DS

April 26, 2001

Dr. Ren

NYU Medical Center, NYC

www.thinforlife.org

> Okay,

>

> I also have another question. Right now I'm taking DairyCare for

my lactose intolerance and it's doing wonders (acidophillus + lactase

in it). The only problem is that it's enteric coated and some people

have said that we have problems dissolving enteric coatings after

WLS. The other acidophillus supplements I've seen have lactOSE in

them, not lactase. I don't know why I'd want the thing I'm having

trouble absorbing (lactose) instead of the enzyme that helps me

absorb it (lactase), but so far only DairyCare has the Acidophillus

and lactase. If the enteric coating is not a problem, I'll stick

with DairyCare, but otherwise what's a good acidophillis supplement

that doesn't contain milk or lactose ?

>

> Thanks

>

> Anita

> Pre-pre-op in Denver

[Guest guest]

Anita;

The enteric coating on the Dairy Care also has me concerned. I

find Dairy Care to be the ONLY one that helps me. Forget about

Lactaid. No matter how many of those I take, they STILL do

nothing for me. Bummer, because dairy foods are my single

favorite food group ;-}

At least there is Lactaid Milk which has all the lactose removed (if

you get Lactaid 100). I predict that eventually manufacterers will

see the value of offering more dairy foods without lactose and

we'll see it in cheeses and yougurts. But in the meantime, we

have Dairy Care!

I first found out about Dairy Care from some people on another

list and they were all post-ops who were using it. That suggest

that maybe they were able to use the enteric.

Second, you can break open the capsules and mix the powder in

a drink if the enteric just doesn't work for you.

I've been meaning to contact the company and ask about this. I

could have sworn that the first time I ordered the pills they were

NOT enteric coated. They either use both (I ordered different size

packages this time than the first time), may have switched, or

else my memory is just bad (which I KNOW it to be '-} )

The company that makes them is STILL a small independent

company. Maybe if they get letters from lots of WLS patients,

they'll remedy the situation. It would be better to try to get them

to

change now than waiting till they're bought up by some huge

food or drug conglomerate.

Go to daircare.com and click on their 'contact us'.

hugs,

gobo

> Okay,

>

> I also have another question. Right now I'm taking DairyCare

for my lactose intolerance and it's doing wonders (acidophillus +

lactase in it). The only problem is that it's enteric coated and

some people have said that we have problems dissolving

enteric coatings after WLS. The other acidophillus supplements

I've seen have lactOSE in them, not lactase. I don't know why I'd

want the thing I'm having trouble absorbing (lactose) instead of

the enzyme that helps me absorb it (lactase), but so far only

DairyCare has the Acidophillus and lactase. If the enteric

coating is not a problem, I'll stick with DairyCare, but otherwise

what's a good acidophillis supplement that doesn't contain milk

or lactose ?

>

> Thanks

>

> Anita

> Pre-pre-op in Denver

[Guest guest]

My wife takes acidophilus on a regular basis. The brand she buys is a gel cap and is not enteric coated. It's a good idea to get that type if you can. But if you have a large supply of enteric coated pills I'd recommend splitting them to expose the inside. If they are football shaped I'd suggest splitting them longways if you can.

Regards.

Joe Frost, old gentleman, not old fartSan , TX, 60 years oldSurgery 11/29/00 by Dr. Welker Lateral Gastrectomy with Duodenal Switch340 starting weight, currently 244http://www.duodenalswitch.com/Patients/Joe/joe.html

Re: Enteric coating/Acidophillus supplement

> Dear Anita,> > I take Dairy Care every a.m. I open 2 capsules and add it to a > little vanilla yogurt. It has no taste and has done wonders for me. > I too was concerned about the "enteric coating".> > Jane J.> BMI 42 and Shrinking> Post-Op> Lap BPD/DS> April 26, 2001> Dr. Ren> NYU Medical Center, NYC> www.thinforlife.org > > > > > > > > > > > Okay,> > > > I also have another question. Right now I'm taking DairyCare for > my lactose intolerance and it's doing wonders (acidophillus + lactase > in it). The only problem is that it's enteric coated and some people > have said that we have problems dissolving enteric coatings after > WLS. The other acidophillus supplements I've seen have lactOSE in > them, not lactase. I don't know why I'd want the thing I'm having > trouble absorbing (lactose) instead of the enzyme that helps me > absorb it (lactase), but so far only DairyCare has the Acidophillus > and lactase. If the enteric coating is not a problem, I'll stick > with DairyCare, but otherwise what's a good acidophillis supplement > that doesn't contain milk or lactose ?> > > > Thanks> > > > Anita> > Pre-pre-op in Denver> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------->

[Guest guest]

Joe,

Does Joy's have lactase or lactose in it ? I'm probably going to stick with

Dairy Care and open them since they're working great for me, but if there's

another one out there with acidophilus and lactase that's in a capsule I can

just swallow, that would be an option as well. I haven't found anything

comparable yet.

Anita

Pre-pre-op in Denver

> > > Okay,

> > >

> > > I also have another question. Right now I'm taking DairyCare for

> > my lactose intolerance and it's doing wonders (acidophillus + lactase

> > in it). The only problem is that it's enteric coated and some people

> > have said that we have problems dissolving enteric coatings after

> > WLS. The other acidophillus supplements I've seen have lactOSE in

> > them, not lactase. I don't know why I'd want the thing I'm having

> > trouble absorbing (lactose) instead of the enzyme that helps me

> > absorb it (lactase), but so far only DairyCare has the Acidophillus

> > and lactase. If the enteric coating is not a problem, I'll stick

> > with DairyCare, but otherwise what's a good acidophillis supplement

> > that doesn't contain milk or lactose ?

> > >

> > > Thanks

> > >

> > > Anita

> > > Pre-pre-op in Denver

> >

> >

> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------

> >

[Guest guest]

Joe,

Does Joy's have lactase or lactose in it ? I'm probably going to stick with

Dairy Care and open them since they're working great for me, but if there's

another one out there with acidophilus and lactase that's in a capsule I can

just swallow, that would be an option as well. I haven't found anything

comparable yet.

Anita

Pre-pre-op in Denver

> > > Okay,

> > >

> > > I also have another question. Right now I'm taking DairyCare for

> > my lactose intolerance and it's doing wonders (acidophillus + lactase

> > in it). The only problem is that it's enteric coated and some people

> > have said that we have problems dissolving enteric coatings after

> > WLS. The other acidophillus supplements I've seen have lactOSE in

> > them, not lactase. I don't know why I'd want the thing I'm having

> > trouble absorbing (lactose) instead of the enzyme that helps me

> > absorb it (lactase), but so far only DairyCare has the Acidophillus

> > and lactase. If the enteric coating is not a problem, I'll stick

> > with DairyCare, but otherwise what's a good acidophillis supplement

> > that doesn't contain milk or lactose ?

> > >

> > > Thanks

> > >

> > > Anita

> > > Pre-pre-op in Denver

> >

> >

> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------

> >

[Guest guest]

Anita:

Joy says her acidophilus does not have either lactase or lactose in it. And she says that is by choice. She gets hers at a GNC though any health food store would carry it as well as many drug stores. But if you have something that works for you stick with that.

Regards.

Joe Frost, old gentleman, not old fartSan , TX, 60 years oldSurgery 11/29/00 by Dr. Welker Lateral Gastrectomy with Duodenal Switch340 starting weight, currently 244http://www.duodenalswitch.com/Patients/Joe/joe.html

Re: Enteric coating/Acidophillus supplement

> Joe,> > Does Joy's have lactase or lactose in it ? I'm probably going to stick with Dairy Care and open them since they're working great for me, but if there's another one out there with acidophilus and lactase that's in a capsule I can just swallow, that would be an option as well. I haven't found anything comparable yet.> > Anita> Pre-pre-op in Denver

[Guest guest]

Anita:

Joy says her acidophilus does not have either lactase or lactose in it. And she says that is by choice. She gets hers at a GNC though any health food store would carry it as well as many drug stores. But if you have something that works for you stick with that.

Regards.

Joe Frost, old gentleman, not old fartSan , TX, 60 years oldSurgery 11/29/00 by Dr. Welker Lateral Gastrectomy with Duodenal Switch340 starting weight, currently 244http://www.duodenalswitch.com/Patients/Joe/joe.html

Re: Enteric coating/Acidophillus supplement

> Joe,> > Does Joy's have lactase or lactose in it ? I'm probably going to stick with Dairy Care and open them since they're working great for me, but if there's another one out there with acidophilus and lactase that's in a capsule I can just swallow, that would be an option as well. I haven't found anything comparable yet.> > Anita> Pre-pre-op in Denver

[Guest guest]

You know, I am having trouble understanding some of the concerns about

malablsobtion-- if a thing needs bile to be absorbed, like fats and fat

soluable vitamins, than we are likely to have trouble since the bile doesn't

get into the act until the two intestinal limbs re-join, but if it is water

soluable, why would we have trouble with it? it should be absorbable even in

the absence of bile. If the coating is a problem, cut the tablet in half so

the inside is exposed and therefor, digestable.-- Maybe I'm missing

something...Nan E.

--- Anita rowanceleste@...> wrote:

> Okay,

>

> I also have another question. Right now I'm taking DairyCare for my lactose

> intolerance and it's doing wonders (acidophillus + lactase in it). The only

> problem is that it's enteric coated and some people have said that we have

> problems dissolving enteric coatings after WLS

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[Guest guest]

You know, I am having trouble understanding some of the concerns about

malablsobtion-- if a thing needs bile to be absorbed, like fats and fat

soluable vitamins, than we are likely to have trouble since the bile doesn't

get into the act until the two intestinal limbs re-join, but if it is water

soluable, why would we have trouble with it? it should be absorbable even in

the absence of bile. If the coating is a problem, cut the tablet in half so

the inside is exposed and therefor, digestable.-- Maybe I'm missing

something...Nan E.

--- Anita rowanceleste@...> wrote:

> Okay,

>

> I also have another question. Right now I'm taking DairyCare for my lactose

> intolerance and it's doing wonders (acidophillus + lactase in it). The only

> problem is that it's enteric coated and some people have said that we have

> problems dissolving enteric coatings after WLS

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

You know, I am having trouble understanding some of the concerns about

malablsobtion-- if a thing needs bile to be absorbed, like fats and fat

soluable vitamins, than we are likely to have trouble since the bile doesn't

get into the act until the two intestinal limbs re-join, but if it is water

soluable, why would we have trouble with it? it should be absorbable even in

the absence of bile. If the coating is a problem, cut the tablet in half so

the inside is exposed and therefor, digestable.-- Maybe I'm missing

something...Nan E.

--- Anita rowanceleste@...> wrote:

> Okay,

>

> I also have another question. Right now I'm taking DairyCare for my lactose

> intolerance and it's doing wonders (acidophillus + lactase in it). The only

> problem is that it's enteric coated and some people have said that we have

> problems dissolving enteric coatings after WLS

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Nan:

You are absolutely right. The bile does not have a chance to act on either enteric coatings or fat soluble compounds. If the problem is the coating, cutting the pill in half or better lengthwise to expose more surface works. Or grinding it. Remember, though, everything works sort of. You don't absorb fats you hear. But you do absorb some of them. You may absorb 40% of your fats and I may absorb 20%. Or visa-versa. So you will absorb some of your stuff. You will eat through some enteric coating and get some benefit of medicine. But not nearly as well as those who haven't had the surgery.

If the problem is that the material is fat soluble there is more of a problem. Vitamins are a good example. Vitamins A, D, E and K are all fat soluble. So even if you grind up the vitamins you won't absorb those vitamins. Or at least not much of them. Even ground lots (not all) will pass through just like excess fat you eat in your diet. The ADEK compound is a combination of those vitamins formulated to be able to be absorbed by those who do not have the bile salts. Somehow they wave a magic wand over them and they are water soluble. And you chew them so that helps as well.

One of the hardest things is that I have to do is remember that life isn't black or white. And when someone says that we don't absorb fats it isn't 100%. And it isn't even everyone. You and I may have started at the same height and weight but our goals may be different. So some people have real problems with absorption and others have only moderate ones.

Regards.

Joe Frost, old gentleman, not old fartSan , TX, 60 years oldSurgery 11/29/00 by Dr. Welker Lateral Gastrectomy with Duodenal Switch340 starting weight, currently 244http://www.duodenalswitch.com/Patients/Joe/joe.html

Re: Enteric coating/Acidophillus supplement

> You know, I am having trouble understanding some of the concerns about> malablsobtion-- if a thing needs bile to be absorbed, like fats and fat> soluable vitamins, than we are likely to have trouble since the bile doesn't> get into the act until the two intestinal limbs re-join, but if it is water> soluable, why would we have trouble with it? it should be absorbable even in> the absence of bile. If the coating is a problem, cut the tablet in half so> the inside is exposed and therefor, digestable.-- Maybe I'm missing> something...Nan E. > > --- Anita wrote:> > Okay,> > > > I also have another question. Right now I'm taking DairyCare for my lactose> > intolerance and it's doing wonders (acidophillus + lactase in it). The only> > problem is that it's enteric coated and some people have said that we have> > problems dissolving enteric coatings after WLS> > __________________________________________________>

[Guest guest]

Dear Nan E:

You have to be careful about opening capsules as some were not meant to be taken that way and can cause stomach problems.

I am sure as I asked my doc that it is okay to take the Dairy Care that way but do please be careful and check before taking anything that way without checking.

FYI did you all know that the normal Ferrous Sulfate tablets, (the red iron pills) are not water soluble but fat soluble? I didn't until I asked Dr. A about my PCP giving me a script for them because my last bloodwork showed I am anemic, Who knew?? Also just as a point of interest I was also talking to my nutritionist told me that even though spinach, (I love spinach) is very high in iron we absorb almost none of it as it has some kind of binder on the iron and isn't absorbed in any ones system.

Huggles,

Tiger

[Guest guest]

Hi Anita:

You can but Dairy Care at WalMart now in 30 capsule packs for around 6 bucks which is between 12-13 dollars for 60 and no S & H and you can get them whenever you need them I just buy a box of 30 each payday so I am never low.

Huggles,

Tiger

[Guest guest]

Thanks, Tiger-- I really hadn't thouht about it, but I suppose there could be a

problem with the stuff inside the capsule-- I wasn't particularly worried about

taking something with an enteric coating, 'cause I figured they were disolvable

in water. What about Ferrous gluconate? I know that is less harsh on the

stomach, but is it h20 soluble? And so much for spinach! Nan E.

--- IWriteOnTwo@... wrote:

> Dear Nan E:

>

> You have to be careful about opening capsules as some were not meant to be

> taken that way and can cause stomach problems.

> I am sure as I asked my doc that it is okay to take the Dairy Care that way

>

> but do please be careful and check before taking anything that way without

> checking.

> FYI did you all know that the normal Ferrous Sulfate tablets, (the red iron

>

> pills) are not water soluble but fat soluble?

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[Guest guest]

Thanks, Tiger-- I really hadn't thouht about it, but I suppose there could be a

problem with the stuff inside the capsule-- I wasn't particularly worried about

taking something with an enteric coating, 'cause I figured they were disolvable

in water. What about Ferrous gluconate? I know that is less harsh on the

stomach, but is it h20 soluble? And so much for spinach! Nan E.

--- IWriteOnTwo@... wrote:

> Dear Nan E:

>

> You have to be careful about opening capsules as some were not meant to be

> taken that way and can cause stomach problems.

> I am sure as I asked my doc that it is okay to take the Dairy Care that way

>

> but do please be careful and check before taking anything that way without

> checking.

> FYI did you all know that the normal Ferrous Sulfate tablets, (the red iron

>

> pills) are not water soluble but fat soluble?

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Thanks, Tiger-- I really hadn't thouht about it, but I suppose there could be a

problem with the stuff inside the capsule-- I wasn't particularly worried about

taking something with an enteric coating, 'cause I figured they were disolvable

in water. What about Ferrous gluconate? I know that is less harsh on the

stomach, but is it h20 soluble? And so much for spinach! Nan E.

--- IWriteOnTwo@... wrote:

> Dear Nan E:

>

> You have to be careful about opening capsules as some were not meant to be

> taken that way and can cause stomach problems.

> I am sure as I asked my doc that it is okay to take the Dairy Care that way

>

> but do please be careful and check before taking anything that way without

> checking.

> FYI did you all know that the normal Ferrous Sulfate tablets, (the red iron

>

> pills) are not water soluble but fat soluble?

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Dairy Care? Can I find this in a regular drugstore?? Thanks

Bobbi-jo :-)

[Guest guest]

Dairy Care? Can I find this in a regular drugstore?? Thanks

Bobbi-jo :-)