HYPER!!!! by Day 6 on No-Fenol

[Guest guest]

Hi,

is in week #4 of Peptizyde and HN-Zyme. We had very little bad

reaction to both of these when introduced, but we had a great deal of

improvement in purposeful language, eye contact, and socialization. An

almost elimination of self-talking.

Slowly introduced No-Fenol over the past six days and he is literally off

the wall. Self-talking is back and hyperactivity is at an all time high.

has always had a Fenol problem. He could eat an entire bottle of

ketchup (straight) in one meal if we would let him (before we knew)! We

have battled yeast for 4 years. Currently he is only on a probiotic, no

nystatin. Is this " reaction " mean that the No-Fenol is working? Are we

seeing a reaction to the No-Fenol and/or a yeast die off! HELP Somebody!!!

We were so happy with the results from the Pep & Zyme. Do we wait this out?

Does it get better?

Kim B.

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[Guest guest]

Hi,

Can't really help but I'm noticing a little of the same reaction,

though to a much lesser extent. We started no fenol 10 days ago (Pep

and HN last july). Since then he seems more hyper, but not

negatively hyper, rather more happy going, though he does some more

self-talk than he used to, but he's still attentive (when doing home

work). I tried reintroduce apple but that did not work, but I

reintroduced abricots and that seems ok.

I'm waiting too to see how long the " hyper " reaction lasts (I think

mine has bacterias and/or yeast, but am not sure since I'm waiting

for stool test to arrive).

I decided today to reduce the B vitamins (I thought may be with no

fenol he needs less vitamins and the fact I was giving too much B's

could account for his hyperness, or also that the B's might be

feeding bacterias, if he indeed has bacterias, and that could

account for the hyperness too).

bye

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> Hi,

>

> is in week #4 of Peptizyde and HN-Zyme. We had very little

bad

> reaction to both of these when introduced, but we had a great deal

of

> improvement in purposeful language, eye contact, and

socialization. An

> almost elimination of self-talking.

>

> Slowly introduced No-Fenol over the past six days and he is

literally off

> the wall. Self-talking is back and hyperactivity is at an all

time high.

> has always had a Fenol problem. He could eat an entire

bottle of

> ketchup (straight) in one meal if we would let him (before we

knew)! We

> have battled yeast for 4 years. Currently he is only on a

probiotic, no

> nystatin. Is this " reaction " mean that the No-Fenol is working?

Are we

> seeing a reaction to the No-Fenol and/or a yeast die off! HELP

Somebody!!!

>

> We were so happy with the results from the Pep & Zyme. Do we wait

this out?

> Does it get better?

>

> Kim B.

>

> _________________________________________________________________

> Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at

http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp.

[Guest guest]

>>He could eat an entire bottle of

> ketchup (straight) in one meal if we would let him (before we

knew)!

That's a phenol problem, all right! LOL

I would say that yes, you are having a yeast reaction. It would be up

to you whether to " wait it out " or reduce the No-Fenol dose so this

is more tolerable. From the yeast books, this phase could last up to

3 weeks. Usually I would suggest looking into a straight yeast

treatment, but you already know he has a long-standing yeast issue.

The yeast will no doubt reach a new equilibrium in the gut

eventually. Probably a very direct strong yeast treatment is in order

though (like prescription nystatin, or grapefruit seed extract, or

both). The yeast will continue to overshadow all his other possible

gains from other therapies.

Please post how it is going, and how long it takes to reach a new

balance.

.

[Guest guest]

> Slowly introduced No-Fenol over the past six days and he is

literally off

> the wall.

How much No-Fenol are you using? I would use 1/2 capsule to start.

Plus if you know your child has yeast, and it is not contraindicated,

I would add a few drops of GSE. GSE plus No-Fenol is very good at

getting rid of yeast.

http://www.autismchannel.net/dana/yeast.htm

My son no longer has a yeast issue, but he is still awake in the

evening, not hyper, just awake. I think it is his body still

adjusting to things.

If you reduce the dose and try something like GSE, and give it 3

weeks, it might help.

Dana

[Guest guest]

Dana, if you give GSE with no-fenol, with that reduce the effects of

the phenol in GSE?

[Guest guest]

> Dana, if you give GSE with no-fenol, with that reduce the effects of

> the phenol in GSE?

Well, by the time I used GSE plus No-Fenol, my son's phenol issues

were gone [because of chelating]. But I have heard other parents

report that their children did NOT have a phenol reaction to GSE when

they used it along with No-Fenol. So it is a good possibility. But

start slow, in case your child ends up being an exception LOL

Dana

[Guest guest]

wait a minute ! eating a lot of ketchup signals a phenol problem ????????? My

son eats ketchup on everything ! I had no idea !

Is the theory that they crave the stuff that is bad for them ? Or is ketchup

craving b/c of yeast overgrowth?

Sharon

[ ] Re: HYPER!!!! by Day 6 on No-Fenol

>>He could eat an entire bottle of

> ketchup (straight) in one meal if we would let him (before we

knew)!

That's a phenol problem, all right! LOL

I would say that yes, you are having a yeast reaction. It would be up

to you whether to " wait it out " or reduce the No-Fenol dose so this

is more tolerable. From the yeast books, this phase could last up to

3 weeks. Usually I would suggest looking into a straight yeast

treatment, but you already know he has a long-standing yeast issue.

The yeast will no doubt reach a new equilibrium in the gut

eventually. Probably a very direct strong yeast treatment is in order

though (like prescription nystatin, or grapefruit seed extract, or

both). The yeast will continue to overshadow all his other possible

gains from other therapies.

Please post how it is going, and how long it takes to reach a new

balance.

.

[Guest guest]

> wait a minute ! eating a lot of ketchup signals a phenol

problem ????????? My son eats ketchup on everything ! I had no idea !

> Is the theory that they crave the stuff that is bad for them ? Or

is ketchup craving b/c of yeast overgrowth?

> Sharon

The Feast without Yeast Dr. Semon said that is a prime craving for

yeast because ketchup usually contains a lot of sugar, and it has

the vinegar in it (some brands anyway). One example of starting a

yeast control diet was to simply take out the ketchup of one boy's

diet, and he improved noticeably just on that.

Ketchup is high phenol too, but since both phenol and yeast

reactions appear related (body trying to detox) it could be one or

the other. This would explain the " hyper on Day 6 " though.

.

[Guest guest]

Could be the sugar content/craving with ketchup. There are honey sweetened

varieties at health food stores that may be worth a try. Rob.

[ ] Re: HYPER!!!! by Day 6 on No-Fenol

>>He could eat an entire bottle of

> ketchup (straight) in one meal if we would let him (before we

knew)!

That's a phenol problem, all right! LOL

I would say that yes, you are having a yeast reaction. It would be up

to you whether to " wait it out " or reduce the No-Fenol dose so this

is more tolerable. From the yeast books, this phase could last up to

3 weeks. Usually I would suggest looking into a straight yeast

treatment, but you already know he has a long-standing yeast issue.

The yeast will no doubt reach a new equilibrium in the gut

eventually. Probably a very direct strong yeast treatment is in order

though (like prescription nystatin, or grapefruit seed extract, or

both). The yeast will continue to overshadow all his other possible

gains from other therapies.

Please post how it is going, and how long it takes to reach a new

balance.

.