Guest guest Posted October 3, 2009 Report Share Posted October 3, 2009 Now I'm confused. I know we are not supposed to use commercial products, however, I thought there were some that are legal for beginners- ie, Welchs grape juice, Dole pineapple in its own juice, etc. Are you referring to foods that are not on this list? Thanks, PJ > > > Hi, folks! > > Because of the discussions about commercial foods > and so forth, and the fact that we need some type > of network to research things, I've set up a second group at > > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/BTVC-SCD-Advanced/ > > You must have been an SCDer for at least one year > to join this group. I may choose to invite one or two others. > > For the next couple of months, I would like to > keep this group small, for the discussion of > things like vetting commercial foods for use IF > the SCDer wishes to try them after significant healing. > > > > — Marilyn > New Orleans, Louisiana, USA > Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001 > Darn Good SCD Cook > No Human Children > Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2009 Report Share Posted October 4, 2009 Marilyn, This is a fantastic idea! This way people won't get confused. Jodi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2009 Report Share Posted October 4, 2009 Marilyn, This is a fantastic idea! This way people won't get confused. Jodi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2009 Report Share Posted October 4, 2009 Hi PJ, The products you mention are ok if it agrees with you. I saw no improvement with those products so I yanked them. There have been *a few* reports with these products from around the country that the labels have changed and contain illegals. Now, having said that if you found one of these and it is legal and it works for you.. go for it! The idea though is to get this letterhead thing going to legalize new products and the existing ones so there will be less confusion. Please let me know if this was not clear for you and if you are still confused? I try my best LOL. Jodi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2009 Report Share Posted October 4, 2009 Hi PJ, The products you mention are ok if it agrees with you. I saw no improvement with those products so I yanked them. There have been *a few* reports with these products from around the country that the labels have changed and contain illegals. Now, having said that if you found one of these and it is legal and it works for you.. go for it! The idea though is to get this letterhead thing going to legalize new products and the existing ones so there will be less confusion. Please let me know if this was not clear for you and if you are still confused? I try my best LOL. Jodi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2009 Report Share Posted October 4, 2009 So, as I take this, the Dole pineapple is not OK? I thought canned fruit in its own juice was OK. PJ > >Now I'm confused. I know we are not supposed to > >use commercial products, however, I thought > >there were some that are legal for beginners- > >ie, Welchs grape juice, Dole pineapple in its > >own juice, etc. Are you referring to foods that are not on this list? > > We are not supposed to use commercial products. > We are supposed to make our own. > > However, places such as Digestive Wellness carry > commercial products which they say they have vetted as being SCD-legal. > > Other people report from time to time that they > have used X, or Y, or Z, without difficulty. But > there are no physical letters from the company, > following the parameters Elaine set up for > gaining approval of a product for personal use. > > Still other people have reported what appear to > be manufacturing changes in the vetted lists for > beginners, and we have no procedure in place for > gaining re-certification. (Just ask anyone who's > been associated with kosher certification how on > their toes the rabbis involved have to be!) > > I'm hoping to assemble a list for long-term > SCDers to discuss some of the issues which face > the SCD community, in order to keep this vital > diet alive and current, while remaining true to > the parameters which Elaine Gottschall bequeathed us. > > > — Marilyn > New Orleans, Louisiana, USA > Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001 > Darn Good SCD Cook > No Human Children > Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2009 Report Share Posted October 4, 2009 So, as I take this, the Dole pineapple is not OK? I thought canned fruit in its own juice was OK. PJ > >Now I'm confused. I know we are not supposed to > >use commercial products, however, I thought > >there were some that are legal for beginners- > >ie, Welchs grape juice, Dole pineapple in its > >own juice, etc. Are you referring to foods that are not on this list? > > We are not supposed to use commercial products. > We are supposed to make our own. > > However, places such as Digestive Wellness carry > commercial products which they say they have vetted as being SCD-legal. > > Other people report from time to time that they > have used X, or Y, or Z, without difficulty. But > there are no physical letters from the company, > following the parameters Elaine set up for > gaining approval of a product for personal use. > > Still other people have reported what appear to > be manufacturing changes in the vetted lists for > beginners, and we have no procedure in place for > gaining re-certification. (Just ask anyone who's > been associated with kosher certification how on > their toes the rabbis involved have to be!) > > I'm hoping to assemble a list for long-term > SCDers to discuss some of the issues which face > the SCD community, in order to keep this vital > diet alive and current, while remaining true to > the parameters which Elaine Gottschall bequeathed us. > > > — Marilyn > New Orleans, Louisiana, USA > Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001 > Darn Good SCD Cook > No Human Children > Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2009 Report Share Posted October 4, 2009 So, as I take this, the Dole pineapple is not OK? I thought canned fruit in its own juice was OK. PJ > >Now I'm confused. I know we are not supposed to > >use commercial products, however, I thought > >there were some that are legal for beginners- > >ie, Welchs grape juice, Dole pineapple in its > >own juice, etc. Are you referring to foods that are not on this list? > > We are not supposed to use commercial products. > We are supposed to make our own. > > However, places such as Digestive Wellness carry > commercial products which they say they have vetted as being SCD-legal. > > Other people report from time to time that they > have used X, or Y, or Z, without difficulty. But > there are no physical letters from the company, > following the parameters Elaine set up for > gaining approval of a product for personal use. > > Still other people have reported what appear to > be manufacturing changes in the vetted lists for > beginners, and we have no procedure in place for > gaining re-certification. (Just ask anyone who's > been associated with kosher certification how on > their toes the rabbis involved have to be!) > > I'm hoping to assemble a list for long-term > SCDers to discuss some of the issues which face > the SCD community, in order to keep this vital > diet alive and current, while remaining true to > the parameters which Elaine Gottschall bequeathed us. > > > — Marilyn > New Orleans, Louisiana, USA > Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001 > Darn Good SCD Cook > No Human Children > Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2009 Report Share Posted October 4, 2009 PJ, Dole Peaches or Pineapple 'in it's own juice' is legal but not if it says pineapples in 100% pinapple juice. I have never found peaches 'in their own juice but if you find it, it is legal according to the lists. I don't recall reading that anyone has actually found it though. Debbie 40 cd scd originally 12/05 I think I get this now. As a newbie- I memorized all the rules-not wanting to make a mistake. I still make mostly all my own, however, I do use canned tuna and salmon ( with nothing else added) and have emergency Dole pineapple for when I don't get to the store for fruit. I'm pretty paranoid about using anything in a can as I want to get the best results I can. What I'm getting from this is that there have been changes- and even the original list is suspect.I agree with keeping a running list of " legal " products. I have Penzey's garlic and onion- since there is a letter. Thanks for keeping us informed.Please clarify the fruit in it's own juice statement, so I don't mess up.PJ > >Now I'm confused. I know we are not supposed to > >use commercial products, however, I thought > >there were some that are legal for beginners- > >ie, Welchs grape juice, Dole pineapple in its > >own juice, etc. Are you referring to foods that are not on this list?> > We are not supposed to use commercial products. > We are supposed to make our own.> > However, places such as Digestive Wellness carry > commercial products which they say they have vetted as being SCD-legal.> > Other people report from time to time that they > have used X, or Y, or Z, without difficulty. But > there are no physical letters from the company, > following the parameters Elaine set up for > gaining approval of a product for personal use.> > Still other people have reported what appear to > be manufacturing changes in the vetted lists for > beginners, and we have no procedure in place for > gaining re-certification. (Just ask anyone who's > been associated with kosher certification how on > their toes the rabbis involved have to be!) > > I'm hoping to assemble a list for long-term > SCDers to discuss some of the issues which face > the SCD community, in order to keep this vital > diet alive and current, while remaining true to > the parameters which Elaine Gottschall bequeathed us.> > > — Marilyn> New Orleans, Louisiana, USA> Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001> Darn Good SCD Cook> No Human Children > Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2009 Report Share Posted October 4, 2009 Thanks, mine says 100% juice. I've only eaten it twice with no problems, but, I will stop. I don't want to rock the boat- I've been doing so well thankfully. It is confusing deciding what is OK or not, so I'm glad this is being looked at. PJ > > > >Now I'm confused. I know we are not supposed to > > > >use commercial products, however, I thought > > > >there were some that are legal for beginners- > > > >ie, Welchs grape juice, Dole pineapple in its > > > >own juice, etc. Are you referring to foods that are not on this list? > > > > > > We are not supposed to use commercial products. > > > We are supposed to make our own. > > > > > > However, places such as Digestive Wellness carry > > > commercial products which they say they have vetted as being SCD-legal. > > > > > > Other people report from time to time that they > > > have used X, or Y, or Z, without difficulty. But > > > there are no physical letters from the company, > > > following the parameters Elaine set up for > > > gaining approval of a product for personal use. > > > > > > Still other people have reported what appear to > > > be manufacturing changes in the vetted lists for > > > beginners, and we have no procedure in place for > > > gaining re-certification. (Just ask anyone who's > > > been associated with kosher certification how on > > > their toes the rabbis involved have to be!) > > > > > > I'm hoping to assemble a list for long-term > > > SCDers to discuss some of the issues which face > > > the SCD community, in order to keep this vital > > > diet alive and current, while remaining true to > > > the parameters which Elaine Gottschall bequeathed us. > > > > > > > > > — Marilyn > > > New Orleans, Louisiana, USA > > > Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001 > > > Darn Good SCD Cook > > > No Human Children > > > Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2009 Report Share Posted October 4, 2009 Thanks, mine says 100% juice. I've only eaten it twice with no problems, but, I will stop. I don't want to rock the boat- I've been doing so well thankfully. It is confusing deciding what is OK or not, so I'm glad this is being looked at. PJ > > > >Now I'm confused. I know we are not supposed to > > > >use commercial products, however, I thought > > > >there were some that are legal for beginners- > > > >ie, Welchs grape juice, Dole pineapple in its > > > >own juice, etc. Are you referring to foods that are not on this list? > > > > > > We are not supposed to use commercial products. > > > We are supposed to make our own. > > > > > > However, places such as Digestive Wellness carry > > > commercial products which they say they have vetted as being SCD-legal. > > > > > > Other people report from time to time that they > > > have used X, or Y, or Z, without difficulty. But > > > there are no physical letters from the company, > > > following the parameters Elaine set up for > > > gaining approval of a product for personal use. > > > > > > Still other people have reported what appear to > > > be manufacturing changes in the vetted lists for > > > beginners, and we have no procedure in place for > > > gaining re-certification. (Just ask anyone who's > > > been associated with kosher certification how on > > > their toes the rabbis involved have to be!) > > > > > > I'm hoping to assemble a list for long-term > > > SCDers to discuss some of the issues which face > > > the SCD community, in order to keep this vital > > > diet alive and current, while remaining true to > > > the parameters which Elaine Gottschall bequeathed us. > > > > > > > > > — Marilyn > > > New Orleans, Louisiana, USA > > > Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001 > > > Darn Good SCD Cook > > > No Human Children > > > Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2009 Report Share Posted October 4, 2009 At 01:53 PM 10/4/2009, you wrote: It is confusing deciding what is OK or not, so I'm glad this is being looked at. Yes, it is. Which, to be honest, is why, in most cases, it's actually EASIER to make my own stuff. I could spend so much time making sure something was legal, and get so frustrated trying to extract " proprietary secrets " out of companies, that in that time, I could have made whatever it was. — Marilyn New Orleans, Louisiana, USA Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001 Darn Good SCD Cook No Human Children Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2009 Report Share Posted October 4, 2009 At 01:53 PM 10/4/2009, you wrote: It is confusing deciding what is OK or not, so I'm glad this is being looked at. Yes, it is. Which, to be honest, is why, in most cases, it's actually EASIER to make my own stuff. I could spend so much time making sure something was legal, and get so frustrated trying to extract " proprietary secrets " out of companies, that in that time, I could have made whatever it was. — Marilyn New Orleans, Louisiana, USA Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001 Darn Good SCD Cook No Human Children Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2009 Report Share Posted October 4, 2009 At 03:30 PM 10/4/2009, you wrote: Saying something is 100% when it is not should be illegal. Amen to that! — Marilyn New Orleans, Louisiana, USA Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001 Darn Good SCD Cook No Human Children Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2009 Report Share Posted October 5, 2009 My sentiments exactly!! Kim M. <<<<<<<<<<<<<< Yes, it is. Which, to be honest, is why, in most cases, it's actually EASIER to make my own stuff. I could spend so much time making sure something was legal, and get so frustrated trying to extract "proprietary secrets" out of companies, that in that time, I could have made whatever it was.— Marilyn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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