Guest guest Posted October 3, 2009 Report Share Posted October 3, 2009 Now I'm confused. I know we are not supposed to use commercial products, however, I thought there were some that are legal for beginners- ie, Welchs grape juice, Dole pineapple in its own juice, etc. Are you referring to foods that are not on this list? Thanks, PJ > > > Hi, folks! > > Because of the discussions about commercial foods > and so forth, and the fact that we need some type > of network to research things, I've set up a second group at > > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/BTVC-SCD-Advanced/ > > You must have been an SCDer for at least one year > to join this group. I may choose to invite one or two others. > > For the next couple of months, I would like to > keep this group small, for the discussion of > things like vetting commercial foods for use IF > the SCDer wishes to try them after significant healing. > > > > — Marilyn > New Orleans, Louisiana, USA > Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001 > Darn Good SCD Cook > No Human Children > Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2009 Report Share Posted October 4, 2009 Thanks Jodi, I did not use any commercial products in the beginning- it was too scary. I did try the Dole pineapple recently and seem to do fine with it. I think we all need to individualize SCD to some extent within legal limits, but I need to be sure I'm not sabotaging the diet by eating Dole's pineapple. I read labels carefully, and the one I have says " Pineapple Chunks in 100% Pineapple Juice " with citric acid as the only additive listed. I agree with setting up this project as labels change and new products are going to be marketed. Whatever we can find to make life easier is worth it. I still prefer to make my own, but we all have time constraints, or want to travel and it's nice to have an alternative. SCD has been a life saver for me, and I would not want to risk it in any way. I did go to a conference and brought a legal Lara Bar in my purse, and tolerated it just fine. I know this does not mean I can eat a whole box at one sitting, or even one every day yet, but just having that to get me through the coffee break and inconspicuously away from the illegal donuts everyone else was having, was a huge convenience for me. Thanks foe everyone's help on this board. PJ T > > Hi PJ, > > The products you mention are ok if it agrees with you. > I saw no improvement with those products so I yanked them. > There have been *a few* reports with these products from around the country that the labels have changed and contain illegals. > Now, having said that if you found one of these and it is legal and it works for you.. go for it! > > The idea though is to get this letterhead thing going to legalize new products and the existing ones so there will be less confusion. > > Please let me know if this was not clear for you and if you are still confused? > > I try my best LOL. > > Jodi > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2009 Report Share Posted October 4, 2009 At 11:01 PM 10/3/2009, you wrote: Now I'm confused. I know we are not supposed to use commercial products, however, I thought there were some that are legal for beginners- ie, Welchs grape juice, Dole pineapple in its own juice, etc. Are you referring to foods that are not on this list? We are not supposed to use commercial products. We are supposed to make our own. However, places such as Digestive Wellness carry commercial products which they say they have vetted as being SCD-legal. Other people report from time to time that they have used X, or Y, or Z, without difficulty. But there are no physical letters from the company, following the parameters Elaine set up for gaining approval of a product for personal use. Still other people have reported what appear to be manufacturing changes in the vetted lists for beginners, and we have no procedure in place for gaining re-certification. (Just ask anyone who's been associated with kosher certification how on their toes the rabbis involved have to be!) I'm hoping to assemble a list for long-term SCDers to discuss some of the issues which face the SCD community, in order to keep this vital diet alive and current, while remaining true to the parameters which Elaine Gottschall bequeathed us. — Marilyn New Orleans, Louisiana, USA Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001 Darn Good SCD Cook No Human Children Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2009 Report Share Posted October 4, 2009 I think I get this now. As a newbie- I memorized all the rules-not wanting to make a mistake. I still make mostly all my own, however, I do use canned tuna and salmon ( with nothing else added) and have emergency Dole pineapple for when I don't get to the store for fruit. I'm pretty paranoid about using anything in a can as I want to get the best results I can. What I'm getting from this is that there have been changes- and even the original list is suspect. I agree with keeping a running list of " legal " products. I have Penzey's garlic and onion- since there is a letter. Thanks for keeping us informed. Please clarify the fruit in it's own juice statement, so I don't mess up. PJ > >Now I'm confused. I know we are not supposed to > >use commercial products, however, I thought > >there were some that are legal for beginners- > >ie, Welchs grape juice, Dole pineapple in its > >own juice, etc. Are you referring to foods that are not on this list? > > We are not supposed to use commercial products. > We are supposed to make our own. > > However, places such as Digestive Wellness carry > commercial products which they say they have vetted as being SCD-legal. > > Other people report from time to time that they > have used X, or Y, or Z, without difficulty. But > there are no physical letters from the company, > following the parameters Elaine set up for > gaining approval of a product for personal use. > > Still other people have reported what appear to > be manufacturing changes in the vetted lists for > beginners, and we have no procedure in place for > gaining re-certification. (Just ask anyone who's > been associated with kosher certification how on > their toes the rabbis involved have to be!) > > I'm hoping to assemble a list for long-term > SCDers to discuss some of the issues which face > the SCD community, in order to keep this vital > diet alive and current, while remaining true to > the parameters which Elaine Gottschall bequeathed us. > > > — Marilyn > New Orleans, Louisiana, USA > Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001 > Darn Good SCD Cook > No Human Children > Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2009 Report Share Posted October 4, 2009 I think I get this now. As a newbie- I memorized all the rules-not wanting to make a mistake. I still make mostly all my own, however, I do use canned tuna and salmon ( with nothing else added) and have emergency Dole pineapple for when I don't get to the store for fruit. I'm pretty paranoid about using anything in a can as I want to get the best results I can. What I'm getting from this is that there have been changes- and even the original list is suspect. I agree with keeping a running list of " legal " products. I have Penzey's garlic and onion- since there is a letter. Thanks for keeping us informed. Please clarify the fruit in it's own juice statement, so I don't mess up. PJ > >Now I'm confused. I know we are not supposed to > >use commercial products, however, I thought > >there were some that are legal for beginners- > >ie, Welchs grape juice, Dole pineapple in its > >own juice, etc. Are you referring to foods that are not on this list? > > We are not supposed to use commercial products. > We are supposed to make our own. > > However, places such as Digestive Wellness carry > commercial products which they say they have vetted as being SCD-legal. > > Other people report from time to time that they > have used X, or Y, or Z, without difficulty. But > there are no physical letters from the company, > following the parameters Elaine set up for > gaining approval of a product for personal use. > > Still other people have reported what appear to > be manufacturing changes in the vetted lists for > beginners, and we have no procedure in place for > gaining re-certification. (Just ask anyone who's > been associated with kosher certification how on > their toes the rabbis involved have to be!) > > I'm hoping to assemble a list for long-term > SCDers to discuss some of the issues which face > the SCD community, in order to keep this vital > diet alive and current, while remaining true to > the parameters which Elaine Gottschall bequeathed us. > > > — Marilyn > New Orleans, Louisiana, USA > Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001 > Darn Good SCD Cook > No Human Children > Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2009 Report Share Posted October 4, 2009 I think I get this now. As a newbie- I memorized all the rules-not wanting to make a mistake. I still make mostly all my own, however, I do use canned tuna and salmon ( with nothing else added) and have emergency Dole pineapple for when I don't get to the store for fruit. I'm pretty paranoid about using anything in a can as I want to get the best results I can. What I'm getting from this is that there have been changes- and even the original list is suspect. I agree with keeping a running list of " legal " products. I have Penzey's garlic and onion- since there is a letter. Thanks for keeping us informed. Please clarify the fruit in it's own juice statement, so I don't mess up. PJ > >Now I'm confused. I know we are not supposed to > >use commercial products, however, I thought > >there were some that are legal for beginners- > >ie, Welchs grape juice, Dole pineapple in its > >own juice, etc. Are you referring to foods that are not on this list? > > We are not supposed to use commercial products. > We are supposed to make our own. > > However, places such as Digestive Wellness carry > commercial products which they say they have vetted as being SCD-legal. > > Other people report from time to time that they > have used X, or Y, or Z, without difficulty. But > there are no physical letters from the company, > following the parameters Elaine set up for > gaining approval of a product for personal use. > > Still other people have reported what appear to > be manufacturing changes in the vetted lists for > beginners, and we have no procedure in place for > gaining re-certification. (Just ask anyone who's > been associated with kosher certification how on > their toes the rabbis involved have to be!) > > I'm hoping to assemble a list for long-term > SCDers to discuss some of the issues which face > the SCD community, in order to keep this vital > diet alive and current, while remaining true to > the parameters which Elaine Gottschall bequeathed us. > > > — Marilyn > New Orleans, Louisiana, USA > Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001 > Darn Good SCD Cook > No Human Children > Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2009 Report Share Posted October 4, 2009 PJ, Dole Peaches or Pineapple 'in it's own juice' is legal but not if it says pineapples in 100% pinapple juice. I have never found peaches 'in their own juice but if you find it, it is legal according to the lists. I don't recall reading that anyone has actually found it though. Debbie 40 cd scd originally 12/05 I think I get this now. As a newbie- I memorized all the rules-not wanting to make a mistake. I still make mostly all my own, however, I do use canned tuna and salmon ( with nothing else added) and have emergency Dole pineapple for when I don't get to the store for fruit. I'm pretty paranoid about using anything in a can as I want to get the best results I can. What I'm getting from this is that there have been changes- and even the original list is suspect.I agree with keeping a running list of " legal " products. I have Penzey's garlic and onion- since there is a letter. Thanks for keeping us informed.Please clarify the fruit in it's own juice statement, so I don't mess up.PJ > >Now I'm confused. I know we are not supposed to > >use commercial products, however, I thought > >there were some that are legal for beginners- > >ie, Welchs grape juice, Dole pineapple in its > >own juice, etc. Are you referring to foods that are not on this list?> > We are not supposed to use commercial products. > We are supposed to make our own.> > However, places such as Digestive Wellness carry > commercial products which they say they have vetted as being SCD-legal.> > Other people report from time to time that they > have used X, or Y, or Z, without difficulty. But > there are no physical letters from the company, > following the parameters Elaine set up for > gaining approval of a product for personal use.> > Still other people have reported what appear to > be manufacturing changes in the vetted lists for > beginners, and we have no procedure in place for > gaining re-certification. (Just ask anyone who's > been associated with kosher certification how on > their toes the rabbis involved have to be!) > > I'm hoping to assemble a list for long-term > SCDers to discuss some of the issues which face > the SCD community, in order to keep this vital > diet alive and current, while remaining true to > the parameters which Elaine Gottschall bequeathed us.> > > — Marilyn> New Orleans, Louisiana, USA> Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001> Darn Good SCD Cook> No Human Children > Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2009 Report Share Posted October 4, 2009 PJ, Dole Peaches or Pineapple 'in it's own juice' is legal but not if it says pineapples in 100% pinapple juice. I have never found peaches 'in their own juice but if you find it, it is legal according to the lists. I don't recall reading that anyone has actually found it though. Debbie 40 cd scd originally 12/05 I think I get this now. As a newbie- I memorized all the rules-not wanting to make a mistake. I still make mostly all my own, however, I do use canned tuna and salmon ( with nothing else added) and have emergency Dole pineapple for when I don't get to the store for fruit. I'm pretty paranoid about using anything in a can as I want to get the best results I can. What I'm getting from this is that there have been changes- and even the original list is suspect.I agree with keeping a running list of " legal " products. I have Penzey's garlic and onion- since there is a letter. Thanks for keeping us informed.Please clarify the fruit in it's own juice statement, so I don't mess up.PJ > >Now I'm confused. I know we are not supposed to > >use commercial products, however, I thought > >there were some that are legal for beginners- > >ie, Welchs grape juice, Dole pineapple in its > >own juice, etc. Are you referring to foods that are not on this list?> > We are not supposed to use commercial products. > We are supposed to make our own.> > However, places such as Digestive Wellness carry > commercial products which they say they have vetted as being SCD-legal.> > Other people report from time to time that they > have used X, or Y, or Z, without difficulty. But > there are no physical letters from the company, > following the parameters Elaine set up for > gaining approval of a product for personal use.> > Still other people have reported what appear to > be manufacturing changes in the vetted lists for > beginners, and we have no procedure in place for > gaining re-certification. (Just ask anyone who's > been associated with kosher certification how on > their toes the rabbis involved have to be!) > > I'm hoping to assemble a list for long-term > SCDers to discuss some of the issues which face > the SCD community, in order to keep this vital > diet alive and current, while remaining true to > the parameters which Elaine Gottschall bequeathed us.> > > — Marilyn> New Orleans, Louisiana, USA> Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001> Darn Good SCD Cook> No Human Children > Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2009 Report Share Posted October 4, 2009 At 01:02 PM 10/4/2009, you wrote: So, as I take this, the Dole pineapple is not OK? I thought canned fruit in its own juice was OK. The answer is... I don't know. Fruit canned IN ITS OWN JUICE is legal. IS pineapple canned in pineapple juice legal? Maybe. That's something which has changed since Elaine's passing. THe cans used to say " pineapple in its own juice " . Now it says, " pineapple in pineapple juice. " The change could mean nothing. Or it could mean something. I haven't had any issues with it as long as I don't eat too much. — Marilyn New Orleans, Louisiana, USA Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001 Darn Good SCD Cook No Human Children Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2009 Report Share Posted October 4, 2009 At 01:02 PM 10/4/2009, you wrote: So, as I take this, the Dole pineapple is not OK? I thought canned fruit in its own juice was OK. The answer is... I don't know. Fruit canned IN ITS OWN JUICE is legal. IS pineapple canned in pineapple juice legal? Maybe. That's something which has changed since Elaine's passing. THe cans used to say " pineapple in its own juice " . Now it says, " pineapple in pineapple juice. " The change could mean nothing. Or it could mean something. I haven't had any issues with it as long as I don't eat too much. — Marilyn New Orleans, Louisiana, USA Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001 Darn Good SCD Cook No Human Children Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2009 Report Share Posted October 4, 2009 At 01:02 PM 10/4/2009, you wrote: So, as I take this, the Dole pineapple is not OK? I thought canned fruit in its own juice was OK. The answer is... I don't know. Fruit canned IN ITS OWN JUICE is legal. IS pineapple canned in pineapple juice legal? Maybe. That's something which has changed since Elaine's passing. THe cans used to say " pineapple in its own juice " . Now it says, " pineapple in pineapple juice. " The change could mean nothing. Or it could mean something. I haven't had any issues with it as long as I don't eat too much. — Marilyn New Orleans, Louisiana, USA Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001 Darn Good SCD Cook No Human Children Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2009 Report Share Posted October 4, 2009 Thanks, mine says 100% juice. I've only eaten it twice with no problems, but, I will stop. I don't want to rock the boat- I've been doing so well thankfully. It is confusing deciding what is OK or not, so I'm glad this is being looked at. PJ > > > >Now I'm confused. I know we are not supposed to > > > >use commercial products, however, I thought > > > >there were some that are legal for beginners- > > > >ie, Welchs grape juice, Dole pineapple in its > > > >own juice, etc. Are you referring to foods that are not on this list? > > > > > > We are not supposed to use commercial products. > > > We are supposed to make our own. > > > > > > However, places such as Digestive Wellness carry > > > commercial products which they say they have vetted as being SCD-legal. > > > > > > Other people report from time to time that they > > > have used X, or Y, or Z, without difficulty. But > > > there are no physical letters from the company, > > > following the parameters Elaine set up for > > > gaining approval of a product for personal use. > > > > > > Still other people have reported what appear to > > > be manufacturing changes in the vetted lists for > > > beginners, and we have no procedure in place for > > > gaining re-certification. (Just ask anyone who's > > > been associated with kosher certification how on > > > their toes the rabbis involved have to be!) > > > > > > I'm hoping to assemble a list for long-term > > > SCDers to discuss some of the issues which face > > > the SCD community, in order to keep this vital > > > diet alive and current, while remaining true to > > > the parameters which Elaine Gottschall bequeathed us. > > > > > > > > > — Marilyn > > > New Orleans, Louisiana, USA > > > Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001 > > > Darn Good SCD Cook > > > No Human Children > > > Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2009 Report Share Posted October 4, 2009 I wanted to add... I miss the days when, like in math class, 100% meant 100% !!! Saying something is 100% when it is not should be illegal. PJ > > > > >Now I'm confused. I know we are not supposed to > > > > >use commercial products, however, I thought > > > > >there were some that are legal for beginners- > > > > >ie, Welchs grape juice, Dole pineapple in its > > > > >own juice, etc. Are you referring to foods that are not on this list? > > > > > > > > We are not supposed to use commercial products. > > > > We are supposed to make our own. > > > > > > > > However, places such as Digestive Wellness carry > > > > commercial products which they say they have vetted as being SCD-legal. > > > > > > > > Other people report from time to time that they > > > > have used X, or Y, or Z, without difficulty. But > > > > there are no physical letters from the company, > > > > following the parameters Elaine set up for > > > > gaining approval of a product for personal use. > > > > > > > > Still other people have reported what appear to > > > > be manufacturing changes in the vetted lists for > > > > beginners, and we have no procedure in place for > > > > gaining re-certification. (Just ask anyone who's > > > > been associated with kosher certification how on > > > > their toes the rabbis involved have to be!) > > > > > > > > I'm hoping to assemble a list for long-term > > > > SCDers to discuss some of the issues which face > > > > the SCD community, in order to keep this vital > > > > diet alive and current, while remaining true to > > > > the parameters which Elaine Gottschall bequeathed us. > > > > > > > > > > > > — Marilyn > > > > New Orleans, Louisiana, USA > > > > Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001 > > > > Darn Good SCD Cook > > > > No Human Children > > > > Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2009 Report Share Posted October 4, 2009 I wanted to add... I miss the days when, like in math class, 100% meant 100% !!! Saying something is 100% when it is not should be illegal. PJ > > > > >Now I'm confused. I know we are not supposed to > > > > >use commercial products, however, I thought > > > > >there were some that are legal for beginners- > > > > >ie, Welchs grape juice, Dole pineapple in its > > > > >own juice, etc. Are you referring to foods that are not on this list? > > > > > > > > We are not supposed to use commercial products. > > > > We are supposed to make our own. > > > > > > > > However, places such as Digestive Wellness carry > > > > commercial products which they say they have vetted as being SCD-legal. > > > > > > > > Other people report from time to time that they > > > > have used X, or Y, or Z, without difficulty. But > > > > there are no physical letters from the company, > > > > following the parameters Elaine set up for > > > > gaining approval of a product for personal use. > > > > > > > > Still other people have reported what appear to > > > > be manufacturing changes in the vetted lists for > > > > beginners, and we have no procedure in place for > > > > gaining re-certification. (Just ask anyone who's > > > > been associated with kosher certification how on > > > > their toes the rabbis involved have to be!) > > > > > > > > I'm hoping to assemble a list for long-term > > > > SCDers to discuss some of the issues which face > > > > the SCD community, in order to keep this vital > > > > diet alive and current, while remaining true to > > > > the parameters which Elaine Gottschall bequeathed us. > > > > > > > > > > > > — Marilyn > > > > New Orleans, Louisiana, USA > > > > Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001 > > > > Darn Good SCD Cook > > > > No Human Children > > > > Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2009 Report Share Posted October 4, 2009 I wanted to add... I miss the days when, like in math class, 100% meant 100% !!! Saying something is 100% when it is not should be illegal. PJ > > > > >Now I'm confused. I know we are not supposed to > > > > >use commercial products, however, I thought > > > > >there were some that are legal for beginners- > > > > >ie, Welchs grape juice, Dole pineapple in its > > > > >own juice, etc. Are you referring to foods that are not on this list? > > > > > > > > We are not supposed to use commercial products. > > > > We are supposed to make our own. > > > > > > > > However, places such as Digestive Wellness carry > > > > commercial products which they say they have vetted as being SCD-legal. > > > > > > > > Other people report from time to time that they > > > > have used X, or Y, or Z, without difficulty. But > > > > there are no physical letters from the company, > > > > following the parameters Elaine set up for > > > > gaining approval of a product for personal use. > > > > > > > > Still other people have reported what appear to > > > > be manufacturing changes in the vetted lists for > > > > beginners, and we have no procedure in place for > > > > gaining re-certification. (Just ask anyone who's > > > > been associated with kosher certification how on > > > > their toes the rabbis involved have to be!) > > > > > > > > I'm hoping to assemble a list for long-term > > > > SCDers to discuss some of the issues which face > > > > the SCD community, in order to keep this vital > > > > diet alive and current, while remaining true to > > > > the parameters which Elaine Gottschall bequeathed us. > > > > > > > > > > > > — Marilyn > > > > New Orleans, Louisiana, USA > > > > Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001 > > > > Darn Good SCD Cook > > > > No Human Children > > > > Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2009 Report Share Posted October 5, 2009 Hey PJ- I made the same choice as you. And guess what? I am super thankful for it too as I think that is why I healed. I use no store bought items. It is nice however getting to a point that if I choose to do something I don't get sick. My go to thing that I did decide to use was canned sardines from Vitalchoice (sustainable, enamel lined cans, wild and have some of the lowest mercury numbers in the biz) I was really sick when I first started out and it was just too much for me to make my own food.. My husband would shop and cook for me when he could but he works. I really don't know how I did it. Just standing would make me dizzy. Sometimes when I would flare of have a mini obstruction I would get store bough apple sauce because I just had nothing to eat and needed something (could not eat eggs) anyway I would get a lot of D from the apple sauce even though I called the comapny and everything. My husband would make my homemade applesauce and I would not get nearly as much D. Took me about 3 months of intro for D to completely disappear. Was a nightmare. But my pain went away almost immediately so that kept me going on the diet. Jodi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2009 Report Share Posted October 5, 2009 My sentiments exactly!! Kim M. <<<<<<<<<<<<<< Yes, it is. Which, to be honest, is why, in most cases, it's actually EASIER to make my own stuff. I could spend so much time making sure something was legal, and get so frustrated trying to extract "proprietary secrets" out of companies, that in that time, I could have made whatever it was.— Marilyn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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