RE: Re: dealing with convenience foods for long-time SCDers -- was hot dogs

[Guest guest]

Jodi

I consider myself one of the long-time SCDers, having been on SCD for more than five years. I know there are plenty of others who have been on SCD far longer [grin]. I've been able to relax my fanaticism in the past two years -- somewhat, that is. I don't reach for illegals, nor do I reach for convenience foods. But I do occasionally eat out, choosing the permitted foods my digestion tolerates the best (and maybe an occasional bite of something illegal if someone will share with me!) and although I usually feel increased digestive symptoms for a day or two, I am no longer laid low for weeks as a result.

In other words, I can be a lot more relaxed about swallowing the occasional illegal or getting some additives and preservatives. But I can't do it too often or my body suffers.

I made the choice during my first two months on SCD that I didn't want to spend time dealing with getting something in writing from food processors and manufacturers. I didn't have any energy to spare at that time as I was really sick, and now I have a bit more energy but I just can't be bothered. I don't want any convenience foods that might or might not contain something illegal and probably has additives and preservatives. Detoxing took months for me, and I am not about to start adding those toxins back. Besides, once I had detoxed, I realized how much my body was affected by synthetic chemicals. Since my nervous system is continuing to deteriorate from as as yet unknown cause, I don't want to add another level of problems by using foods containing additives and preservatives. I want to know exactly how the food is prepared and what ingredients were used and I need to see how it is done.

So, I make my own, make my own, make my own.... That's my choice, at least.

Sometimes I wonder if a lot of the health issues found today are a direct result of introducing convenience foods in the 1950s. Most of us have eaten convenience foods, with their additives and preservatives and high levels of sugar and starch, for most of our lives. Often takes time for the bad side-effects to appear.

Kim M.

SCD 5+ years

>>>>>>>>

How are SCD'ers supposed to get on with their lives? I don't want to eat SAD but it sure would be nice to be able to navigate with a little more wiggle room.

[Guest guest]

Jodi

I consider myself one of the long-time SCDers, having been on SCD for more than five years. I know there are plenty of others who have been on SCD far longer [grin]. I've been able to relax my fanaticism in the past two years -- somewhat, that is. I don't reach for illegals, nor do I reach for convenience foods. But I do occasionally eat out, choosing the permitted foods my digestion tolerates the best (and maybe an occasional bite of something illegal if someone will share with me!) and although I usually feel increased digestive symptoms for a day or two, I am no longer laid low for weeks as a result.

In other words, I can be a lot more relaxed about swallowing the occasional illegal or getting some additives and preservatives. But I can't do it too often or my body suffers.

I made the choice during my first two months on SCD that I didn't want to spend time dealing with getting something in writing from food processors and manufacturers. I didn't have any energy to spare at that time as I was really sick, and now I have a bit more energy but I just can't be bothered. I don't want any convenience foods that might or might not contain something illegal and probably has additives and preservatives. Detoxing took months for me, and I am not about to start adding those toxins back. Besides, once I had detoxed, I realized how much my body was affected by synthetic chemicals. Since my nervous system is continuing to deteriorate from as as yet unknown cause, I don't want to add another level of problems by using foods containing additives and preservatives. I want to know exactly how the food is prepared and what ingredients were used and I need to see how it is done.

So, I make my own, make my own, make my own.... That's my choice, at least.

Sometimes I wonder if a lot of the health issues found today are a direct result of introducing convenience foods in the 1950s. Most of us have eaten convenience foods, with their additives and preservatives and high levels of sugar and starch, for most of our lives. Often takes time for the bad side-effects to appear.

Kim M.

SCD 5+ years

>>>>>>>>

How are SCD'ers supposed to get on with their lives? I don't want to eat SAD but it sure would be nice to be able to navigate with a little more wiggle room.

[Guest guest]

Jodi

I consider myself one of the long-time SCDers, having been on SCD for more than five years. I know there are plenty of others who have been on SCD far longer [grin]. I've been able to relax my fanaticism in the past two years -- somewhat, that is. I don't reach for illegals, nor do I reach for convenience foods. But I do occasionally eat out, choosing the permitted foods my digestion tolerates the best (and maybe an occasional bite of something illegal if someone will share with me!) and although I usually feel increased digestive symptoms for a day or two, I am no longer laid low for weeks as a result.

In other words, I can be a lot more relaxed about swallowing the occasional illegal or getting some additives and preservatives. But I can't do it too often or my body suffers.

I made the choice during my first two months on SCD that I didn't want to spend time dealing with getting something in writing from food processors and manufacturers. I didn't have any energy to spare at that time as I was really sick, and now I have a bit more energy but I just can't be bothered. I don't want any convenience foods that might or might not contain something illegal and probably has additives and preservatives. Detoxing took months for me, and I am not about to start adding those toxins back. Besides, once I had detoxed, I realized how much my body was affected by synthetic chemicals. Since my nervous system is continuing to deteriorate from as as yet unknown cause, I don't want to add another level of problems by using foods containing additives and preservatives. I want to know exactly how the food is prepared and what ingredients were used and I need to see how it is done.

So, I make my own, make my own, make my own.... That's my choice, at least.

Sometimes I wonder if a lot of the health issues found today are a direct result of introducing convenience foods in the 1950s. Most of us have eaten convenience foods, with their additives and preservatives and high levels of sugar and starch, for most of our lives. Often takes time for the bad side-effects to appear.

Kim M.

SCD 5+ years

>>>>>>>>

How are SCD'ers supposed to get on with their lives? I don't want to eat SAD but it sure would be nice to be able to navigate with a little more wiggle room.

[Guest guest]

I totaly agree!

To: BTVC-SCD Sent: Saturday, October 3, 2009 1:14:33 PMSubject: Re: dealing with convenience foods for long-time SCDers -- was hot dogs

I'm not Jodi, so please forgive me for commenting on this. I'm a newbie to SCD, so I'm trying to be strict, since it's my son who needs the diet and I wouldn't do ANYTHING to sabatoge his health. I'm sure that most, if not all, members here also want to follow the diet correctly. There's a HUGE difference between wanting to use a few "convenience" items (like organic canned tomatoes, organic canned pumpkin, organic uncured hotdogs, and organic mayonnaise) and wanting to eat convenience foods that contain additives, preservatives, sugars and starches.No one would even argue against the idea that the SAD is responsible for a host of the current medical problems afflicting our nation. I haven't seen anyone on here that is wanting to go back to eating that way. We haven't eaten the SAD in our house for 13 years and my son still got sick with UC - who knows how sick he'd be if he had been eating like most American children.The

reason I am interested in a few (really, very few) convenience items is that I cook for 6 of us, I work 4 days a week and we are a busy family. There are others on here who have very busy lives too. If I could open up a can of organic tomatoes instead of having to chop and cook fresh tomatoes it would huge timesaver for me and I could have that much more energy to devote to my family and other cooking. I've always cooked most things from scratch, but there are some basic ingredients that would be helpful to not have to make. If there are safe items available, I really want to know. We haven't gotten far enough into the diet to feel safe eating anything that I'm not positive about, so I'm sticking with "make my own", but I'm already getting burned out with the sheer volume of work. I'm really not here to argue - I want to learn how to do this and get ideas for surviving SCD long term. There needs to be a level of understanding between members

here that those of us who are wanting a few minor shortcuts are not being lazy or trying to cheat - we are simply trying to find practical ways to make it possible to stick to this diet within the framework of our very real and full lives.Thanks,Liz>> Jodi> > I consider myself one of the long-time SCDers, having been on SCD for more than five years. I know there are plenty of others who have been on SCD far longer [grin]. I've been able to relax my fanaticism in the past two years -- somewhat, that is. I don't reach for illegals, nor do I reach for convenience foods.. But I do occasionally eat out, choosing the permitted foods my digestion tolerates the best (and maybe an occasional bite of something illegal if

someone will share with me!) and although I usually feel increased digestive symptoms for a day or two, I am no longer laid low for weeks as a result..> > In other words, I can be a lot more relaxed about swallowing the occasional illegal or getting some additives and preservatives. But I can't do it too often or my body suffers.> > I made the choice during my first two months on SCD that I didn't want to spend time dealing with getting something in writing from food processors and manufacturers. I didn't have any energy to spare at that time as I was really sick, and now I have a bit more energy but I just can't be bothered. I don't want any convenience foods that might or might not contain something illegal and probably has additives and preservatives. Detoxing took months for me, and I am not about to start adding those toxins back. Besides, once I had detoxed, I realized how much my body was affected by synthetic

chemicals. Since my nervous system is continuing to deteriorate from as as yet unknown cause, I don't want to add another level of problems by using foods containing additives and preservatives. I want to know exactly how the food is prepared and what ingredients were used and I need to see how it is done.> > So, I make my own, make my own, make my own.... That's my choice, at least. > > Sometimes I wonder if a lot of the health issues found today are a direct result of introducing convenience foods in the 1950s. Most of us have eaten convenience foods, with their additives and preservatives and high levels of sugar and starch, for most of our lives. Often takes time for the bad side-effects to appear. > > Kim M.> SCD 5+ years> > > >>>>>>>>> How are SCD'ers supposed to get on with their lives? I don't want to eat SAD but it sure would be nice to be able

to navigate with a little more wiggle room.>

[Guest guest]

I totaly agree!

To: BTVC-SCD Sent: Saturday, October 3, 2009 1:14:33 PMSubject: Re: dealing with convenience foods for long-time SCDers -- was hot dogs

I'm not Jodi, so please forgive me for commenting on this. I'm a newbie to SCD, so I'm trying to be strict, since it's my son who needs the diet and I wouldn't do ANYTHING to sabatoge his health. I'm sure that most, if not all, members here also want to follow the diet correctly. There's a HUGE difference between wanting to use a few "convenience" items (like organic canned tomatoes, organic canned pumpkin, organic uncured hotdogs, and organic mayonnaise) and wanting to eat convenience foods that contain additives, preservatives, sugars and starches.No one would even argue against the idea that the SAD is responsible for a host of the current medical problems afflicting our nation. I haven't seen anyone on here that is wanting to go back to eating that way. We haven't eaten the SAD in our house for 13 years and my son still got sick with UC - who knows how sick he'd be if he had been eating like most American children.The

reason I am interested in a few (really, very few) convenience items is that I cook for 6 of us, I work 4 days a week and we are a busy family. There are others on here who have very busy lives too. If I could open up a can of organic tomatoes instead of having to chop and cook fresh tomatoes it would huge timesaver for me and I could have that much more energy to devote to my family and other cooking. I've always cooked most things from scratch, but there are some basic ingredients that would be helpful to not have to make. If there are safe items available, I really want to know. We haven't gotten far enough into the diet to feel safe eating anything that I'm not positive about, so I'm sticking with "make my own", but I'm already getting burned out with the sheer volume of work. I'm really not here to argue - I want to learn how to do this and get ideas for surviving SCD long term. There needs to be a level of understanding between members

here that those of us who are wanting a few minor shortcuts are not being lazy or trying to cheat - we are simply trying to find practical ways to make it possible to stick to this diet within the framework of our very real and full lives.Thanks,Liz>> Jodi> > I consider myself one of the long-time SCDers, having been on SCD for more than five years. I know there are plenty of others who have been on SCD far longer [grin]. I've been able to relax my fanaticism in the past two years -- somewhat, that is. I don't reach for illegals, nor do I reach for convenience foods.. But I do occasionally eat out, choosing the permitted foods my digestion tolerates the best (and maybe an occasional bite of something illegal if

someone will share with me!) and although I usually feel increased digestive symptoms for a day or two, I am no longer laid low for weeks as a result..> > In other words, I can be a lot more relaxed about swallowing the occasional illegal or getting some additives and preservatives. But I can't do it too often or my body suffers.> > I made the choice during my first two months on SCD that I didn't want to spend time dealing with getting something in writing from food processors and manufacturers. I didn't have any energy to spare at that time as I was really sick, and now I have a bit more energy but I just can't be bothered. I don't want any convenience foods that might or might not contain something illegal and probably has additives and preservatives. Detoxing took months for me, and I am not about to start adding those toxins back. Besides, once I had detoxed, I realized how much my body was affected by synthetic

chemicals. Since my nervous system is continuing to deteriorate from as as yet unknown cause, I don't want to add another level of problems by using foods containing additives and preservatives. I want to know exactly how the food is prepared and what ingredients were used and I need to see how it is done.> > So, I make my own, make my own, make my own.... That's my choice, at least. > > Sometimes I wonder if a lot of the health issues found today are a direct result of introducing convenience foods in the 1950s. Most of us have eaten convenience foods, with their additives and preservatives and high levels of sugar and starch, for most of our lives. Often takes time for the bad side-effects to appear. > > Kim M.> SCD 5+ years> > > >>>>>>>>> How are SCD'ers supposed to get on with their lives? I don't want to eat SAD but it sure would be nice to be able

to navigate with a little more wiggle room.>

[Guest guest]

I totaly agree!

To: BTVC-SCD Sent: Saturday, October 3, 2009 1:14:33 PMSubject: Re: dealing with convenience foods for long-time SCDers -- was hot dogs

I'm not Jodi, so please forgive me for commenting on this. I'm a newbie to SCD, so I'm trying to be strict, since it's my son who needs the diet and I wouldn't do ANYTHING to sabatoge his health. I'm sure that most, if not all, members here also want to follow the diet correctly. There's a HUGE difference between wanting to use a few "convenience" items (like organic canned tomatoes, organic canned pumpkin, organic uncured hotdogs, and organic mayonnaise) and wanting to eat convenience foods that contain additives, preservatives, sugars and starches.No one would even argue against the idea that the SAD is responsible for a host of the current medical problems afflicting our nation. I haven't seen anyone on here that is wanting to go back to eating that way. We haven't eaten the SAD in our house for 13 years and my son still got sick with UC - who knows how sick he'd be if he had been eating like most American children.The

reason I am interested in a few (really, very few) convenience items is that I cook for 6 of us, I work 4 days a week and we are a busy family. There are others on here who have very busy lives too. If I could open up a can of organic tomatoes instead of having to chop and cook fresh tomatoes it would huge timesaver for me and I could have that much more energy to devote to my family and other cooking. I've always cooked most things from scratch, but there are some basic ingredients that would be helpful to not have to make. If there are safe items available, I really want to know. We haven't gotten far enough into the diet to feel safe eating anything that I'm not positive about, so I'm sticking with "make my own", but I'm already getting burned out with the sheer volume of work. I'm really not here to argue - I want to learn how to do this and get ideas for surviving SCD long term. There needs to be a level of understanding between members

here that those of us who are wanting a few minor shortcuts are not being lazy or trying to cheat - we are simply trying to find practical ways to make it possible to stick to this diet within the framework of our very real and full lives.Thanks,Liz>> Jodi> > I consider myself one of the long-time SCDers, having been on SCD for more than five years. I know there are plenty of others who have been on SCD far longer [grin]. I've been able to relax my fanaticism in the past two years -- somewhat, that is. I don't reach for illegals, nor do I reach for convenience foods.. But I do occasionally eat out, choosing the permitted foods my digestion tolerates the best (and maybe an occasional bite of something illegal if

someone will share with me!) and although I usually feel increased digestive symptoms for a day or two, I am no longer laid low for weeks as a result..> > In other words, I can be a lot more relaxed about swallowing the occasional illegal or getting some additives and preservatives. But I can't do it too often or my body suffers.> > I made the choice during my first two months on SCD that I didn't want to spend time dealing with getting something in writing from food processors and manufacturers. I didn't have any energy to spare at that time as I was really sick, and now I have a bit more energy but I just can't be bothered. I don't want any convenience foods that might or might not contain something illegal and probably has additives and preservatives. Detoxing took months for me, and I am not about to start adding those toxins back. Besides, once I had detoxed, I realized how much my body was affected by synthetic

chemicals. Since my nervous system is continuing to deteriorate from as as yet unknown cause, I don't want to add another level of problems by using foods containing additives and preservatives. I want to know exactly how the food is prepared and what ingredients were used and I need to see how it is done.> > So, I make my own, make my own, make my own.... That's my choice, at least. > > Sometimes I wonder if a lot of the health issues found today are a direct result of introducing convenience foods in the 1950s. Most of us have eaten convenience foods, with their additives and preservatives and high levels of sugar and starch, for most of our lives. Often takes time for the bad side-effects to appear. > > Kim M.> SCD 5+ years> > > >>>>>>>>> How are SCD'ers supposed to get on with their lives? I don't want to eat SAD but it sure would be nice to be able

to navigate with a little more wiggle room.>

[Guest guest]

Hi Liz,

Now that I am symptom free and med free I

am also working very full time to the extent I am capable. I still don’t

have my full stamina as prior to UC. I still sleep 10 to 12 hours per

day. Fortunately with no commuting time I live and work on my organic fruit

orchard. Some days I get by with 8 hours but that is still the rarity.

I also was hoping we could establish some

way to add new brands of this and that to our legal listing. Personally I

am just reading labels very carefully and making my own decision. This is

partly shooting in the dark but nowadays the labeling laws are quite strict

with harsh administrative penalties for mistakes.

The hardest food for me to give up for SCD

was Wasabi and Soy Sauce for my sashimi. Finally I found pure wasabi

kosher certified confirming its labeling as pure Wasabia japonica – this

should be added as a legal food. Sometimes I use certified organic or

kosher as additional people are inspecting it to confirm labeling is correct. I

think we, as a group, need to come up with some way of certifying ethnic and

new food brands. That said we all have to remember that when we were

starting this diet we had a much more restricted food list than later. Somehow

we need to figure out and let newbies know that this is an advanced food or

not. One idea is to have 3 food groups; beginning, middle, and advanced.

I think Jodi is advocating an important

SCD issue. We as a group just have to figure it out. There are new

brands coming available on a regular basis and there are lots of ethnic foods

never previously considered.

Previously Gay Bauer provided me with the

lady editing the legal/illegal food list but I failed to follow up with her. That

was my fault that I neglected to make the effort.

On the other hand I need to get back to a

more normal life again. For example, getting back to a normal life,

Thursday I chain sawed iron wood into small enough pieces to load into my bar-b-que

to burn to coals to smoke two fresh brined chickens that tasted totally

awesome. This morning we decided to freeze one because my wife and I just

can’t eat that much and we have mahi mahi eggs we need to eat before they

go bad.

Aloha,

Mort

From: BTVC-SCD [mailto:BTVC-SCD ] On Behalf Of caralycalnikmom

Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009

10:15 AM

To: BTVC-SCD

Subject: Re: dealing

with convenience foods for long-time SCDers -- was hot dogs

I'm not Jodi, so please forgive me for commenting on

this.

I'm a newbie to SCD, so I'm trying to be strict, since it's my son who needs

the diet and I wouldn't do ANYTHING to sabatoge his health. I'm sure that most,

if not all, members here also want to follow the diet correctly. There's a HUGE

difference between wanting to use a few " convenience " items (like

organic canned tomatoes, organic canned pumpkin, organic uncured hotdogs, and

organic mayonnaise) and wanting to eat convenience foods that contain

additives, preservatives, sugars and starches.

No one would even argue against the idea that the SAD is responsible for a host

of the current medical problems afflicting our nation. I haven't seen anyone on

here that is wanting to go back to eating that way. We haven't eaten the SAD in

our house for 13 years and my son still got sick with UC - who knows how sick

he'd be if he had been eating like most American children.

The reason I am interested in a few (really, very few) convenience items is

that I cook for 6 of us, I work 4 days a week and we are a busy family. There

are others on here who have very busy lives too. If I could open up a can of

organic tomatoes instead of having to chop and cook fresh tomatoes it would

huge timesaver for me and I could have that much more energy to devote to my

family and other cooking.

[Guest guest]

I totaly agree!Yes, well said Liz. =) I hope we can find a way to resolve this and satisfy everyone. Peace =)Alyssa 15 yoUC April 2008, dx Sept 2008SCD June 2009 (restarted)No meds! (except for the stupid iron pill I have to take that is SO illegal)

[Guest guest]

Absolutely. The body cannot tolerate the onslaught of sugars and

synthetic chemicals day in day out, year after year, decade upon decade. I

blame my Crohn’s on all the cr@p and convenience “food” I ate

for 50 years. The SAD nearly killed me. Convenience “food” turns

out to be not so convenient in the long run.

Carol

CD 21 yrs SCD 5 yrs

From:

BTVC-SCD [mailto:BTVC-SCD ] On Behalf Of kkmumbower

Sometimes

I wonder if a lot of the health issues found today are a direct

result of introducing convenience foods in the 1950s. Most of us

have eaten convenience foods, with their additives and preservatives and high

levels of sugar and starch, for most of our lives. Often takes time for

the bad side-effects to appear.

Kim

M.

SCD

5+ years

[Guest guest]

Absolutely. The body cannot tolerate the onslaught of sugars and

synthetic chemicals day in day out, year after year, decade upon decade. I

blame my Crohn’s on all the cr@p and convenience “food” I ate

for 50 years. The SAD nearly killed me. Convenience “food” turns

out to be not so convenient in the long run.

Carol

CD 21 yrs SCD 5 yrs

From:

BTVC-SCD [mailto:BTVC-SCD ] On Behalf Of kkmumbower

Sometimes

I wonder if a lot of the health issues found today are a direct

result of introducing convenience foods in the 1950s. Most of us

have eaten convenience foods, with their additives and preservatives and high

levels of sugar and starch, for most of our lives. Often takes time for

the bad side-effects to appear.

Kim

M.

SCD

5+ years

[Guest guest]

Absolutely. The body cannot tolerate the onslaught of sugars and

synthetic chemicals day in day out, year after year, decade upon decade. I

blame my Crohn’s on all the cr@p and convenience “food” I ate

for 50 years. The SAD nearly killed me. Convenience “food” turns

out to be not so convenient in the long run.

Carol

CD 21 yrs SCD 5 yrs

From:

BTVC-SCD [mailto:BTVC-SCD ] On Behalf Of kkmumbower

Sometimes

I wonder if a lot of the health issues found today are a direct

result of introducing convenience foods in the 1950s. Most of us

have eaten convenience foods, with their additives and preservatives and high

levels of sugar and starch, for most of our lives. Often takes time for

the bad side-effects to appear.

Kim

M.

SCD

5+ years

[Guest guest]

That said we all have to remember that when we were starting this diet we had a much more restricted food list than later. Somehow we need to figure out and let newbies know that this is an advanced food or not. One idea is to have 3 food groups; beginning, middle, and advanced.If we're going to keep all the letterheads and maybe a list of possible legal commercial products in a folder on this group's site, wouldn't it be just as easy to stick a little text document up there in the same folder with a disclaimer? It could just tell people that these commercial products are generally accepted as SCD legal, but warn them that everyone reacts differently and be sure to pull them first if the diet isn't giving them the results they want. It seems to me like we're treating 'newbies' like little one-year olds who would eat a flaming cow pie if we gave it to them. They're still intelligent people, and I think we'll have to trust them and everyone else to make their own decisions about this based on what's best for them. All we can do is give them the right information to do that. Peace =)Alyssa 15 yoUC April 2008, dx Sept 2008SCD June 2009 (restarted)No meds! (except for the stupid iron pill I have to take that is SO illegal)

[Guest guest]

At 06:15 PM 10/3/2009, you wrote:

It seems to me like we're

treating 'newbies' like little one-year olds who would eat a flaming cow

pie if we gave it to them. They're still intelligent people, and I think

we'll have to trust them and everyone else to make their own decisions

about this based on what's best for them. All we can do is give them the

right information to do that.

Alyssa, you make an excellent point. I don't believe newcomers are twits.

Some of the most intelligent people of my acquaintance are on this list.

The problem is that when you are sick, and generally feeling horrible,

there's a tendency to not want to do the work it takes to get well. I was

that way. I sure as heck did not want to give up foods I had enjoyed for

years. I spent lots of time in tears the first months on the diet because

I'd go to fix something for dinner, and then realize I couldn't, because

I hadn't made x, y. or z, first. (Sometime, I'll mention my adventures in

trying to make a muffaletta sandwich for myself!)

I know there are plenty of people, myself included, who would not have

made the progress they have made if they'd taken the " easy

route. "

And I think the thing which makes me the angriest is to hear someone

saying that " SCD doesn't work for me, " and when you pry into

what they've been eating, you find that they are using all sorts of short

cuts.

My objective is to keep Elaine's torch burning bright.

I've said, over and over, that every time I tried to prove her wrong, I

ended up proving her right. I still feel the same way about " make

your own. "

At the same time, I'm a very practical person. People are going to take

short cuts, unless they make up their minds they won't. So the only thing

which can be done is to provide the best information possible to make the

best decisions. The warning with any commercial product is that if you

are using it and do not see the results you hope for from SCD, then be

prepared to yank it.

—

Marilyn

New

Orleans, Louisiana, USA

Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

Darn Good SCD Cook

No Human Children

Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

[Guest guest]

At 06:15 PM 10/3/2009, you wrote:

It seems to me like we're

treating 'newbies' like little one-year olds who would eat a flaming cow

pie if we gave it to them. They're still intelligent people, and I think

we'll have to trust them and everyone else to make their own decisions

about this based on what's best for them. All we can do is give them the

right information to do that.

Alyssa, you make an excellent point. I don't believe newcomers are twits.

Some of the most intelligent people of my acquaintance are on this list.

The problem is that when you are sick, and generally feeling horrible,

there's a tendency to not want to do the work it takes to get well. I was

that way. I sure as heck did not want to give up foods I had enjoyed for

years. I spent lots of time in tears the first months on the diet because

I'd go to fix something for dinner, and then realize I couldn't, because

I hadn't made x, y. or z, first. (Sometime, I'll mention my adventures in

trying to make a muffaletta sandwich for myself!)

I know there are plenty of people, myself included, who would not have

made the progress they have made if they'd taken the " easy

route. "

And I think the thing which makes me the angriest is to hear someone

saying that " SCD doesn't work for me, " and when you pry into

what they've been eating, you find that they are using all sorts of short

cuts.

My objective is to keep Elaine's torch burning bright.

I've said, over and over, that every time I tried to prove her wrong, I

ended up proving her right. I still feel the same way about " make

your own. "

At the same time, I'm a very practical person. People are going to take

short cuts, unless they make up their minds they won't. So the only thing

which can be done is to provide the best information possible to make the

best decisions. The warning with any commercial product is that if you

are using it and do not see the results you hope for from SCD, then be

prepared to yank it.

—

Marilyn

New

Orleans, Louisiana, USA

Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

Darn Good SCD Cook

No Human Children

Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

[Guest guest]

At 06:15 PM 10/3/2009, you wrote:

It seems to me like we're

treating 'newbies' like little one-year olds who would eat a flaming cow

pie if we gave it to them. They're still intelligent people, and I think

we'll have to trust them and everyone else to make their own decisions

about this based on what's best for them. All we can do is give them the

right information to do that.

Alyssa, you make an excellent point. I don't believe newcomers are twits.

Some of the most intelligent people of my acquaintance are on this list.

The problem is that when you are sick, and generally feeling horrible,

there's a tendency to not want to do the work it takes to get well. I was

that way. I sure as heck did not want to give up foods I had enjoyed for

years. I spent lots of time in tears the first months on the diet because

I'd go to fix something for dinner, and then realize I couldn't, because

I hadn't made x, y. or z, first. (Sometime, I'll mention my adventures in

trying to make a muffaletta sandwich for myself!)

I know there are plenty of people, myself included, who would not have

made the progress they have made if they'd taken the " easy

route. "

And I think the thing which makes me the angriest is to hear someone

saying that " SCD doesn't work for me, " and when you pry into

what they've been eating, you find that they are using all sorts of short

cuts.

My objective is to keep Elaine's torch burning bright.

I've said, over and over, that every time I tried to prove her wrong, I

ended up proving her right. I still feel the same way about " make

your own. "

At the same time, I'm a very practical person. People are going to take

short cuts, unless they make up their minds they won't. So the only thing

which can be done is to provide the best information possible to make the

best decisions. The warning with any commercial product is that if you

are using it and do not see the results you hope for from SCD, then be

prepared to yank it.

—

Marilyn

New

Orleans, Louisiana, USA

Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

Darn Good SCD Cook

No Human Children

Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

[Guest guest]

Hi Alyssa,

I want to address the “one year old

newbie mentality” comment.

When the GI put that video camera up my

bottom side to perform a flexible sigmoidoscopy I saw that my colon was totally

red and oozing blood with all areas affected. I was totally sick and

quite confused. Our family doctor originally offered for me to go to a

specialist but I really didn’t want to be bothered, probably because

previously I was never really sick. By the time I did go to a GI I was

very ill. Actually about 10 days prior to going to this GI I fell out of

the tree I was climbing with a chain saw flat onto my back.

The GI said, “Since you have been

bleeding internally like this for 6 to 12 months or longer you will not bleed

to death before we get back the tests to make a precise diagnosis.”

In that sense I said, “thank you God

for the SCD legal list”. At that time I was too confused to figure

anything out, I needed that list. Maybe, at that time, I was a one year

old.

Since I was a little boy I have been

climbing trees without ever once falling out. One time, about 25 years

ago when I was 33 years old, I decided to use a ladder and the ladder tipped

over with me on it – after that I never used ladders to climb trees

again. Maybe the real reason I fell out of that tree recently was because

I was very UC sick?

We don’t need disclaimers or fancy

lawyer type talk to modify SCD’s legal food list. We need to think

back to how we felt when we came to SCD. We need to think back to remember

the first 3 SCD months, then the next 3 months, etc., until we became healed

or, at least, symptom free. As we matured into an adult version of SCD we

should think about how and why that happened. In my case I think I

understand SCD theory well enough to decide I can read the labels to figure out

SCD legal food well enough. We need to incorporate our mature SCD

attitude into an updated, modernized, or slightly revised SCD legal food list. This

is the kind of knowledge we should be passing onto the next SCD generation.

This is simply my opinion but when I first

started SCD I certainly needed a very simple cook book diet to follow. That

is why I believe the original format should not be changed but there are

definitely foods that need to be added.

Aloha,

Mort

From: BTVC-SCD [mailto:BTVC-SCD ] On Behalf Of Alyssa Luck

Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009

1:15 PM

To: BTVC-SCD

Subject: Re: Re:

dealing with convenience foods for long-time SCDers -- was hot dogs

That

said we all have to remember that when we were starting this diet we had a much

more restricted food list than later. Somehow we need to figure out and

let newbies know that this is an advanced food or not. One idea is to

have 3 food groups; beginning, middle, and advanced.

If we're going to keep all the letterheads and maybe a list of possible

legal commercial products in a folder on this group's site, wouldn't it be just

as easy to stick a little text document up there in the same folder with a

disclaimer? It could just tell people that these commercial products are

generally accepted as SCD legal, but warn them that everyone reacts differently

and be sure to pull them first if the diet isn't giving them the results they

want.

It seems to me like we're treating 'newbies' like little one-year olds

who would eat a flaming cow pie if we gave it to them. They're still

intelligent people, and I think we'll have to trust them and everyone else to

make their own decisions about this based on what's best for them. All we can

do is give them the right information to do that.

Peace =)

Alyssa 15 yo

UC April 2008,

dx Sept 2008

SCD June 2009

(restarted)

No meds!

(except for the stupid iron pill I have to take that is SO illegal)

[Guest guest]

Hi Alyssa,

I want to address the “one year old

newbie mentality” comment.

When the GI put that video camera up my

bottom side to perform a flexible sigmoidoscopy I saw that my colon was totally

red and oozing blood with all areas affected. I was totally sick and

quite confused. Our family doctor originally offered for me to go to a

specialist but I really didn’t want to be bothered, probably because

previously I was never really sick. By the time I did go to a GI I was

very ill. Actually about 10 days prior to going to this GI I fell out of

the tree I was climbing with a chain saw flat onto my back.

The GI said, “Since you have been

bleeding internally like this for 6 to 12 months or longer you will not bleed

to death before we get back the tests to make a precise diagnosis.”

In that sense I said, “thank you God

for the SCD legal list”. At that time I was too confused to figure

anything out, I needed that list. Maybe, at that time, I was a one year

old.

Since I was a little boy I have been

climbing trees without ever once falling out. One time, about 25 years

ago when I was 33 years old, I decided to use a ladder and the ladder tipped

over with me on it – after that I never used ladders to climb trees

again. Maybe the real reason I fell out of that tree recently was because

I was very UC sick?

We don’t need disclaimers or fancy

lawyer type talk to modify SCD’s legal food list. We need to think

back to how we felt when we came to SCD. We need to think back to remember

the first 3 SCD months, then the next 3 months, etc., until we became healed

or, at least, symptom free. As we matured into an adult version of SCD we

should think about how and why that happened. In my case I think I

understand SCD theory well enough to decide I can read the labels to figure out

SCD legal food well enough. We need to incorporate our mature SCD

attitude into an updated, modernized, or slightly revised SCD legal food list. This

is the kind of knowledge we should be passing onto the next SCD generation.

This is simply my opinion but when I first

started SCD I certainly needed a very simple cook book diet to follow. That

is why I believe the original format should not be changed but there are

definitely foods that need to be added.

Aloha,

Mort

From: BTVC-SCD [mailto:BTVC-SCD ] On Behalf Of Alyssa Luck

Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009

1:15 PM

To: BTVC-SCD

Subject: Re: Re:

dealing with convenience foods for long-time SCDers -- was hot dogs

That

said we all have to remember that when we were starting this diet we had a much

more restricted food list than later. Somehow we need to figure out and

let newbies know that this is an advanced food or not. One idea is to

have 3 food groups; beginning, middle, and advanced.

If we're going to keep all the letterheads and maybe a list of possible

legal commercial products in a folder on this group's site, wouldn't it be just

as easy to stick a little text document up there in the same folder with a

disclaimer? It could just tell people that these commercial products are

generally accepted as SCD legal, but warn them that everyone reacts differently

and be sure to pull them first if the diet isn't giving them the results they

want.

It seems to me like we're treating 'newbies' like little one-year olds

who would eat a flaming cow pie if we gave it to them. They're still

intelligent people, and I think we'll have to trust them and everyone else to

make their own decisions about this based on what's best for them. All we can

do is give them the right information to do that.

Peace =)

Alyssa 15 yo

UC April 2008,

dx Sept 2008

SCD June 2009

(restarted)

No meds!

(except for the stupid iron pill I have to take that is SO illegal)

[Guest guest]

Hi Alyssa,

I want to address the “one year old

newbie mentality” comment.

When the GI put that video camera up my

bottom side to perform a flexible sigmoidoscopy I saw that my colon was totally

red and oozing blood with all areas affected. I was totally sick and

quite confused. Our family doctor originally offered for me to go to a

specialist but I really didn’t want to be bothered, probably because

previously I was never really sick. By the time I did go to a GI I was

very ill. Actually about 10 days prior to going to this GI I fell out of

the tree I was climbing with a chain saw flat onto my back.

The GI said, “Since you have been

bleeding internally like this for 6 to 12 months or longer you will not bleed

to death before we get back the tests to make a precise diagnosis.”

In that sense I said, “thank you God

for the SCD legal list”. At that time I was too confused to figure

anything out, I needed that list. Maybe, at that time, I was a one year

old.

Since I was a little boy I have been

climbing trees without ever once falling out. One time, about 25 years

ago when I was 33 years old, I decided to use a ladder and the ladder tipped

over with me on it – after that I never used ladders to climb trees

again. Maybe the real reason I fell out of that tree recently was because

I was very UC sick?

We don’t need disclaimers or fancy

lawyer type talk to modify SCD’s legal food list. We need to think

back to how we felt when we came to SCD. We need to think back to remember

the first 3 SCD months, then the next 3 months, etc., until we became healed

or, at least, symptom free. As we matured into an adult version of SCD we

should think about how and why that happened. In my case I think I

understand SCD theory well enough to decide I can read the labels to figure out

SCD legal food well enough. We need to incorporate our mature SCD

attitude into an updated, modernized, or slightly revised SCD legal food list. This

is the kind of knowledge we should be passing onto the next SCD generation.

This is simply my opinion but when I first

started SCD I certainly needed a very simple cook book diet to follow. That

is why I believe the original format should not be changed but there are

definitely foods that need to be added.

Aloha,

Mort

From: BTVC-SCD [mailto:BTVC-SCD ] On Behalf Of Alyssa Luck

Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009

1:15 PM

To: BTVC-SCD

Subject: Re: Re:

dealing with convenience foods for long-time SCDers -- was hot dogs

That

said we all have to remember that when we were starting this diet we had a much

more restricted food list than later. Somehow we need to figure out and

let newbies know that this is an advanced food or not. One idea is to

have 3 food groups; beginning, middle, and advanced.

If we're going to keep all the letterheads and maybe a list of possible

legal commercial products in a folder on this group's site, wouldn't it be just

as easy to stick a little text document up there in the same folder with a

disclaimer? It could just tell people that these commercial products are

generally accepted as SCD legal, but warn them that everyone reacts differently

and be sure to pull them first if the diet isn't giving them the results they

want.

It seems to me like we're treating 'newbies' like little one-year olds

who would eat a flaming cow pie if we gave it to them. They're still

intelligent people, and I think we'll have to trust them and everyone else to

make their own decisions about this based on what's best for them. All we can

do is give them the right information to do that.

Peace =)

Alyssa 15 yo

UC April 2008,

dx Sept 2008

SCD June 2009

(restarted)

No meds!

(except for the stupid iron pill I have to take that is SO illegal)

[Guest guest]

I pretty much agree with everything you

say below. Normally your SCD views are considerably more conservative

than mine.

I just want to add two things.

1. Recently a 24 year old Hilo, Hawaii

lady with 4 intestinal surgical operations, now missing her large intestine,

asked me about SCD. After a while when I became exhausted by her

questions I directed her to my web site because I spent a lot of time answering

many UC questions.

Her reply was, “this food seems

awful!” or “how can you enjoy good food?” prompting me to add

some additional information to my web site letting it be known that properly

prepared SCD food is tasty. I think tasty food is the pivotal point

leading up to modernizing the SCD legal food list.

To me Wasabi is tasty. I can live

without pasta. Here in Hawaii

we have a kind of noodle made from beans that I tried without problem. I

don’t know how the beans are converted into pasta but I just decided to

try them.

This just confirms your comment below that

short cuts end up being long cuts with awful results. This 24 year old

lady would rather continue with surgical procedures and medications than try a

change in diet.

2. There are some serious

contradictions between Sidney’s and Elaine’s versions of SCD that

need correcting.

a. For example I was UC symptom free until Jan 18th, 2009 when

my eldest brother’s heart stopped. A few days later I was flaring without

being able to stop it. I was losing weight and becoming quite worried.

b. I purchased Sidney’s

reprinted 1951 book to find wisdom. I found that he fed hospitalized

patients fructose (levulose) and dextrose (glucose), both which are absorbed

without any digestion, to gain weight. Secondly I read that opium or

atropine quiet spasming intestines. On June 12th I started the

modern day equivalents to opium and atropine.

Within 32 days my colon quit spasming, I

was medicine and UC symptom free, I was healed, with more time I gained my

weight back, and am working in my orchards again.

This monosaccharide, opium, and atropin

information is nowhere to be found on any Elaine based SCD. There are

other discrepancies but these are the most blatant.

What I say above is not criticism but

simply my observations that two researchers will accent with their own ideas a

slightly different avenue to success. I think we should bring the two

paths together.

Aloha,

Mort

From: BTVC-SCD [mailto:BTVC-SCD ] On Behalf Of Wizop Marilyn L. Alm

Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009

1:42 PM

To: BTVC-SCD

Subject: Re: Re:

dealing with convenience foods for long-time SCDers -- was hot dogs

At 06:15 PM

10/3/2009, you wrote:

It seems to me like we're treating 'newbies' like little one-year olds

who would eat a flaming cow pie if we gave it to them. They're still

intelligent people, and I think we'll have to trust them and everyone else to

make their own decisions about this based on what's best for them. All we can

do is give them the right information to do that.

Alyssa, you make an excellent point. I don't believe newcomers are twits. Some

of the most intelligent people of my acquaintance are on this list.

The problem is that when you are sick, and generally feeling horrible, there's

a tendency to not want to do the work it takes to get well. I was that way. I

sure as heck did not want to give up foods I had enjoyed for years. I spent

lots of time in tears the first months on the diet because I'd go to fix

something for dinner, and then realize I couldn't, because I hadn't made x, y.

or z, first. (Sometime, I'll mention my adventures in trying to make a

muffaletta sandwich for myself!)

I know there are plenty of people, myself included, who would not have made the

progress they have made if they'd taken the " easy route. "

And I think the thing which makes me the angriest is to hear someone saying

that " SCD doesn't work for me, " and when you pry into what they've

been eating, you find that they are using all sorts of short cuts.

My objective is to keep Elaine's torch burning bright.

I've said, over and over, that every time I tried to prove her wrong, I ended

up proving her right. I still feel the same way about " make your

own. "

At the same time, I'm a very practical person. People are going to take short

cuts, unless they make up their minds they won't. So the only thing which can

be done is to provide the best information possible to make the best decisions.

The warning with any commercial product is that if you are using it and do not

see the results you hope for from SCD, then be prepared to yank it.

— Marilyn

New Orleans, Louisiana, USA

Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

Darn Good SCD Cook

No Human Children

Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

[Guest guest]

I pretty much agree with everything you

say below. Normally your SCD views are considerably more conservative

than mine.

I just want to add two things.

1. Recently a 24 year old Hilo, Hawaii

lady with 4 intestinal surgical operations, now missing her large intestine,

asked me about SCD. After a while when I became exhausted by her

questions I directed her to my web site because I spent a lot of time answering

many UC questions.

Her reply was, “this food seems

awful!” or “how can you enjoy good food?” prompting me to add

some additional information to my web site letting it be known that properly

prepared SCD food is tasty. I think tasty food is the pivotal point

leading up to modernizing the SCD legal food list.

To me Wasabi is tasty. I can live

without pasta. Here in Hawaii

we have a kind of noodle made from beans that I tried without problem. I

don’t know how the beans are converted into pasta but I just decided to

try them.

This just confirms your comment below that

short cuts end up being long cuts with awful results. This 24 year old

lady would rather continue with surgical procedures and medications than try a

change in diet.

2. There are some serious

contradictions between Sidney’s and Elaine’s versions of SCD that

need correcting.

a. For example I was UC symptom free until Jan 18th, 2009 when

my eldest brother’s heart stopped. A few days later I was flaring without

being able to stop it. I was losing weight and becoming quite worried.

b. I purchased Sidney’s

reprinted 1951 book to find wisdom. I found that he fed hospitalized

patients fructose (levulose) and dextrose (glucose), both which are absorbed

without any digestion, to gain weight. Secondly I read that opium or

atropine quiet spasming intestines. On June 12th I started the

modern day equivalents to opium and atropine.

Within 32 days my colon quit spasming, I

was medicine and UC symptom free, I was healed, with more time I gained my

weight back, and am working in my orchards again.

This monosaccharide, opium, and atropin

information is nowhere to be found on any Elaine based SCD. There are

other discrepancies but these are the most blatant.

What I say above is not criticism but

simply my observations that two researchers will accent with their own ideas a

slightly different avenue to success. I think we should bring the two

paths together.

Aloha,

Mort

From: BTVC-SCD [mailto:BTVC-SCD ] On Behalf Of Wizop Marilyn L. Alm

Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009

1:42 PM

To: BTVC-SCD

Subject: Re: Re:

dealing with convenience foods for long-time SCDers -- was hot dogs

At 06:15 PM

10/3/2009, you wrote:

It seems to me like we're treating 'newbies' like little one-year olds

who would eat a flaming cow pie if we gave it to them. They're still

intelligent people, and I think we'll have to trust them and everyone else to

make their own decisions about this based on what's best for them. All we can

do is give them the right information to do that.

Alyssa, you make an excellent point. I don't believe newcomers are twits. Some

of the most intelligent people of my acquaintance are on this list.

The problem is that when you are sick, and generally feeling horrible, there's

a tendency to not want to do the work it takes to get well. I was that way. I

sure as heck did not want to give up foods I had enjoyed for years. I spent

lots of time in tears the first months on the diet because I'd go to fix

something for dinner, and then realize I couldn't, because I hadn't made x, y.

or z, first. (Sometime, I'll mention my adventures in trying to make a

muffaletta sandwich for myself!)

I know there are plenty of people, myself included, who would not have made the

progress they have made if they'd taken the " easy route. "

And I think the thing which makes me the angriest is to hear someone saying

that " SCD doesn't work for me, " and when you pry into what they've

been eating, you find that they are using all sorts of short cuts.

My objective is to keep Elaine's torch burning bright.

I've said, over and over, that every time I tried to prove her wrong, I ended

up proving her right. I still feel the same way about " make your

own. "

At the same time, I'm a very practical person. People are going to take short

cuts, unless they make up their minds they won't. So the only thing which can

be done is to provide the best information possible to make the best decisions.

The warning with any commercial product is that if you are using it and do not

see the results you hope for from SCD, then be prepared to yank it.

— Marilyn

New Orleans, Louisiana, USA

Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

Darn Good SCD Cook

No Human Children

Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

[Guest guest]

I pretty much agree with everything you

say below. Normally your SCD views are considerably more conservative

than mine.

I just want to add two things.

1. Recently a 24 year old Hilo, Hawaii

lady with 4 intestinal surgical operations, now missing her large intestine,

asked me about SCD. After a while when I became exhausted by her

questions I directed her to my web site because I spent a lot of time answering

many UC questions.

Her reply was, “this food seems

awful!” or “how can you enjoy good food?” prompting me to add

some additional information to my web site letting it be known that properly

prepared SCD food is tasty. I think tasty food is the pivotal point

leading up to modernizing the SCD legal food list.

To me Wasabi is tasty. I can live

without pasta. Here in Hawaii

we have a kind of noodle made from beans that I tried without problem. I

don’t know how the beans are converted into pasta but I just decided to

try them.

This just confirms your comment below that

short cuts end up being long cuts with awful results. This 24 year old

lady would rather continue with surgical procedures and medications than try a

change in diet.

2. There are some serious

contradictions between Sidney’s and Elaine’s versions of SCD that

need correcting.

a. For example I was UC symptom free until Jan 18th, 2009 when

my eldest brother’s heart stopped. A few days later I was flaring without

being able to stop it. I was losing weight and becoming quite worried.

b. I purchased Sidney’s

reprinted 1951 book to find wisdom. I found that he fed hospitalized

patients fructose (levulose) and dextrose (glucose), both which are absorbed

without any digestion, to gain weight. Secondly I read that opium or

atropine quiet spasming intestines. On June 12th I started the

modern day equivalents to opium and atropine.

Within 32 days my colon quit spasming, I

was medicine and UC symptom free, I was healed, with more time I gained my

weight back, and am working in my orchards again.

This monosaccharide, opium, and atropin

information is nowhere to be found on any Elaine based SCD. There are

other discrepancies but these are the most blatant.

What I say above is not criticism but

simply my observations that two researchers will accent with their own ideas a

slightly different avenue to success. I think we should bring the two

paths together.

Aloha,

Mort

From: BTVC-SCD [mailto:BTVC-SCD ] On Behalf Of Wizop Marilyn L. Alm

Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009

1:42 PM

To: BTVC-SCD

Subject: Re: Re:

dealing with convenience foods for long-time SCDers -- was hot dogs

At 06:15 PM

10/3/2009, you wrote:

It seems to me like we're treating 'newbies' like little one-year olds

who would eat a flaming cow pie if we gave it to them. They're still

intelligent people, and I think we'll have to trust them and everyone else to

make their own decisions about this based on what's best for them. All we can

do is give them the right information to do that.

Alyssa, you make an excellent point. I don't believe newcomers are twits. Some

of the most intelligent people of my acquaintance are on this list.

The problem is that when you are sick, and generally feeling horrible, there's

a tendency to not want to do the work it takes to get well. I was that way. I

sure as heck did not want to give up foods I had enjoyed for years. I spent

lots of time in tears the first months on the diet because I'd go to fix

something for dinner, and then realize I couldn't, because I hadn't made x, y.

or z, first. (Sometime, I'll mention my adventures in trying to make a

muffaletta sandwich for myself!)

I know there are plenty of people, myself included, who would not have made the

progress they have made if they'd taken the " easy route. "

And I think the thing which makes me the angriest is to hear someone saying

that " SCD doesn't work for me, " and when you pry into what they've

been eating, you find that they are using all sorts of short cuts.

My objective is to keep Elaine's torch burning bright.

I've said, over and over, that every time I tried to prove her wrong, I ended

up proving her right. I still feel the same way about " make your

own. "

At the same time, I'm a very practical person. People are going to take short

cuts, unless they make up their minds they won't. So the only thing which can

be done is to provide the best information possible to make the best decisions.

The warning with any commercial product is that if you are using it and do not

see the results you hope for from SCD, then be prepared to yank it.

— Marilyn

New Orleans, Louisiana, USA

Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

Darn Good SCD Cook

No Human Children

Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

[Guest guest]

I purchased Sidney’s reprinted 1951 book to find wisdom. I found that he fed hospitalized patients fructose (levulose) and dextrose (glucose), both which are absorbed without any digestion, to gain weight.This might be dense of me, but we just finished the biochemistry unit in biology class, and I thought there were only three monosaccharides: glucose, fructose, and galactose. I thought dextrose was a disaccharide. I know dextrose is MADE of glucose, but wouldn't that mean it still needs to be broken down, since it's glucose bonded together? I'm a little confused here. Peace =)Alyssa 15 yoUC April 2008, dx Sept 2008SCD June 2009 (restarted)No meds! (except for the stupid iron pill I have to take that is SO illegal)

[Guest guest]

I purchased Sidney’s reprinted 1951 book to find wisdom. I found that he fed hospitalized patients fructose (levulose) and dextrose (glucose), both which are absorbed without any digestion, to gain weight.This might be dense of me, but we just finished the biochemistry unit in biology class, and I thought there were only three monosaccharides: glucose, fructose, and galactose. I thought dextrose was a disaccharide. I know dextrose is MADE of glucose, but wouldn't that mean it still needs to be broken down, since it's glucose bonded together? I'm a little confused here. Peace =)Alyssa 15 yoUC April 2008, dx Sept 2008SCD June 2009 (restarted)No meds! (except for the stupid iron pill I have to take that is SO illegal)

[Guest guest]

I purchased Sidney’s reprinted 1951 book to find wisdom. I found that he fed hospitalized patients fructose (levulose) and dextrose (glucose), both which are absorbed without any digestion, to gain weight.This might be dense of me, but we just finished the biochemistry unit in biology class, and I thought there were only three monosaccharides: glucose, fructose, and galactose. I thought dextrose was a disaccharide. I know dextrose is MADE of glucose, but wouldn't that mean it still needs to be broken down, since it's glucose bonded together? I'm a little confused here. Peace =)Alyssa 15 yoUC April 2008, dx Sept 2008SCD June 2009 (restarted)No meds! (except for the stupid iron pill I have to take that is SO illegal)

[Guest guest]

Dextrose and Glucose are two words for the

same compound C6H12O6. Look it up in either a Webster’s dictionary

or chemical handbook. Similarly another word for Fructose is Levulose,

also in Webster’s.

I wonder if you might now be persuaded to

eat cockles, clams, mussels, etc instead of your iron pills?

Aloha,

Mort

From: BTVC-SCD [mailto:BTVC-SCD ] On Behalf Of Alyssa Luck

Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009

4:14 PM

To: BTVC-SCD

Subject: Re: Re:

dealing with convenience foods for long-time SCDers -- was hot dogs

I

purchased Sidney’s reprinted 1951

book to find wisdom. I found that he fed hospitalized patients fructose

(levulose) and dextrose (glucose), both which are absorbed without any

digestion, to gain weight.

This might be dense of me, but we just finished the biochemistry unit

in biology class, and I thought there were only three monosaccharides: glucose,

fructose, and galactose. I thought dextrose was a disaccharide. I know dextrose

is MADE of glucose, but wouldn't that mean it still needs to be broken down,

since it's glucose bonded together? I'm a little confused here.

Peace =)

Alyssa 15 yo

UC April 2008,

dx Sept 2008

SCD June 2009

(restarted)

No meds!

(except for the stupid iron pill I have to take that is SO illegal)