RE: Re: dealing with convenience foods for long-time SCDers -- was hot dogs

[Guest guest]

At 08:39 PM 10/3/2009, you wrote:

>> There are some serious

contradictions between Sidney’s and Elaine’s versions of SCD that need

correcting. <<

Not when you consider the fact that Dr. Sidney Valentine Haas was a

medical doctor, and could thus prescribe medications which Elaine

Gottschall, B.S., M. Sc. could not. Some of the changes she made in the

diet were made specifically to address that.

>> I purchased Sidney’s reprinted 1951 book to find wisdom. I

found that he fed hospitalized patients fructose (levulose) and dextrose

(glucose), both which are absorbed without any digestion, to gain

weight. Secondly I read that opium or atropine quiet spasming

intestines. On June 12th I started the modern day equivalents to

opium and atropine. <<

Atropine can quiet more than spasming intestines: my mother gagged on

some water yesterday and then could not stop gagging. Fortunately, the

hospice nurse was there, and gave her some oral atropine.

Something else to realize: Elaine discovered, to her dismay, when she was

researching " pure " sugars, such as levulose and dextrose, that

what was being labeled as that in her day was not the pure sugars which

Dr. Haas used. The companies were doing mixed sugars, MOSTLY fructose, or

MOSTLY glucose, but often with di- and sometimes even tri-saccharides

mixed in. Also, Elaine discovered that fructose is metabolized

differently from glucose -- fructose is metabolized by the liver, which

is why it is sometimes recommended to diabetics for control of blood

sugar while allowing something sweet. But fructose is being linked with a

number of issues (when not contained by its native fruit) that were never

dreamed of in Dr. Haas' day.

>> This monosaccharide, opium, and atropin information is nowhere

to be found on any Elaine based SCD. There are other discrepancies

but these are the most blatant. <<

See above. Elaine was not an M.D. and could not prescribe those

medications for her clients. Plus her additional discoveries in the way

the sugars were being manufactured.

—

Marilyn

New

Orleans, Louisiana, USA

Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

Darn Good SCD Cook

No Human Children

Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

[Guest guest]

At 08:39 PM 10/3/2009, you wrote:

>> There are some serious

contradictions between Sidney’s and Elaine’s versions of SCD that need

correcting. <<

Not when you consider the fact that Dr. Sidney Valentine Haas was a

medical doctor, and could thus prescribe medications which Elaine

Gottschall, B.S., M. Sc. could not. Some of the changes she made in the

diet were made specifically to address that.

>> I purchased Sidney’s reprinted 1951 book to find wisdom. I

found that he fed hospitalized patients fructose (levulose) and dextrose

(glucose), both which are absorbed without any digestion, to gain

weight. Secondly I read that opium or atropine quiet spasming

intestines. On June 12th I started the modern day equivalents to

opium and atropine. <<

Atropine can quiet more than spasming intestines: my mother gagged on

some water yesterday and then could not stop gagging. Fortunately, the

hospice nurse was there, and gave her some oral atropine.

Something else to realize: Elaine discovered, to her dismay, when she was

researching " pure " sugars, such as levulose and dextrose, that

what was being labeled as that in her day was not the pure sugars which

Dr. Haas used. The companies were doing mixed sugars, MOSTLY fructose, or

MOSTLY glucose, but often with di- and sometimes even tri-saccharides

mixed in. Also, Elaine discovered that fructose is metabolized

differently from glucose -- fructose is metabolized by the liver, which

is why it is sometimes recommended to diabetics for control of blood

sugar while allowing something sweet. But fructose is being linked with a

number of issues (when not contained by its native fruit) that were never

dreamed of in Dr. Haas' day.

>> This monosaccharide, opium, and atropin information is nowhere

to be found on any Elaine based SCD. There are other discrepancies

but these are the most blatant. <<

See above. Elaine was not an M.D. and could not prescribe those

medications for her clients. Plus her additional discoveries in the way

the sugars were being manufactured.

—

Marilyn

New

Orleans, Louisiana, USA

Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

Darn Good SCD Cook

No Human Children

Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

[Guest guest]

At 08:39 PM 10/3/2009, you wrote:

>> There are some serious

contradictions between Sidney’s and Elaine’s versions of SCD that need

correcting. <<

Not when you consider the fact that Dr. Sidney Valentine Haas was a

medical doctor, and could thus prescribe medications which Elaine

Gottschall, B.S., M. Sc. could not. Some of the changes she made in the

diet were made specifically to address that.

>> I purchased Sidney’s reprinted 1951 book to find wisdom. I

found that he fed hospitalized patients fructose (levulose) and dextrose

(glucose), both which are absorbed without any digestion, to gain

weight. Secondly I read that opium or atropine quiet spasming

intestines. On June 12th I started the modern day equivalents to

opium and atropine. <<

Atropine can quiet more than spasming intestines: my mother gagged on

some water yesterday and then could not stop gagging. Fortunately, the

hospice nurse was there, and gave her some oral atropine.

Something else to realize: Elaine discovered, to her dismay, when she was

researching " pure " sugars, such as levulose and dextrose, that

what was being labeled as that in her day was not the pure sugars which

Dr. Haas used. The companies were doing mixed sugars, MOSTLY fructose, or

MOSTLY glucose, but often with di- and sometimes even tri-saccharides

mixed in. Also, Elaine discovered that fructose is metabolized

differently from glucose -- fructose is metabolized by the liver, which

is why it is sometimes recommended to diabetics for control of blood

sugar while allowing something sweet. But fructose is being linked with a

number of issues (when not contained by its native fruit) that were never

dreamed of in Dr. Haas' day.

>> This monosaccharide, opium, and atropin information is nowhere

to be found on any Elaine based SCD. There are other discrepancies

but these are the most blatant. <<

See above. Elaine was not an M.D. and could not prescribe those

medications for her clients. Plus her additional discoveries in the way

the sugars were being manufactured.

—

Marilyn

New

Orleans, Louisiana, USA

Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

Darn Good SCD Cook

No Human Children

Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

[Guest guest]

As for updating the legal/illegal list; The PecanBread legal/illegal list will be more extensive than the BTVC website- this due to various technical issues- so you should defer to that.If you have suggestions of legal additions like legal ethnic foods- you should email it to PecanBread.. Like Mimi or Sheila and I think they can consider it.http://pecanbread.com/p/legal_illegal_a-c.htmHuh, is this new?Did they just start with the old one and start expanding it? I believe Kim Hesche compiled the last one. Mara

[Guest guest]

As for updating the legal/illegal list; The PecanBread legal/illegal list will be more extensive than the BTVC website- this due to various technical issues- so you should defer to that.If you have suggestions of legal additions like legal ethnic foods- you should email it to PecanBread.. Like Mimi or Sheila and I think they can consider it.http://pecanbread.com/p/legal_illegal_a-c.htmHuh, is this new?Did they just start with the old one and start expanding it? I believe Kim Hesche compiled the last one. Mara

[Guest guest]

As for updating the legal/illegal list; The PecanBread legal/illegal list will be more extensive than the BTVC website- this due to various technical issues- so you should defer to that.If you have suggestions of legal additions like legal ethnic foods- you should email it to PecanBread.. Like Mimi or Sheila and I think they can consider it.http://pecanbread.com/p/legal_illegal_a-c.htmHuh, is this new?Did they just start with the old one and start expanding it? I believe Kim Hesche compiled the last one. Mara

[Guest guest]

At 08:46 AM 10/4/2009, you wrote:

I believe Kim Hesche compiled

the last one.

Yes, Kim did. I also have my list which I compiled from BTVC, with page

numbers. Unfortunately, I have to get my multiple editions of BTVC, and

put in updated page numbers for everything.

—

Marilyn

New

Orleans, Louisiana, USA

Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

Darn Good SCD Cook

No Human Children

Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

[Guest guest]

At 08:46 AM 10/4/2009, you wrote:

I believe Kim Hesche compiled

the last one.

Yes, Kim did. I also have my list which I compiled from BTVC, with page

numbers. Unfortunately, I have to get my multiple editions of BTVC, and

put in updated page numbers for everything.

—

Marilyn

New

Orleans, Louisiana, USA

Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

Darn Good SCD Cook

No Human Children

Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

[Guest guest]

Thanks for your explanation about sugar

contamination, etc, Marilyn,

As a farmer we have to be very careful

about the inputs we buy. Du Pont accidentally mixed a herbicide in with

their fungicide Benlate. If I remember correctly the same factory made or

packaged both products. When the chemical farmers applied the fungicide

unwittingly they were also applying a herbicide (herbicides kill weed plants)

right on top of their crop. DuPont paid out over 1 billion dollars before

they started fighting what they considered possibly frivolous claims.

As an organic farmer I don’t use

such chemicals but Du Pont’s error bankrupted many farmers.

We also have to watch for, so to speak,

cross contamination but nowadays that is becoming more of a rarity. However

none of us want to flare, that is just awful.

I advocate that we need to let Sidney’s early work

to be better circulated as an additional choice. When my brother died the

flare SCD did not contain it from Jan 18 till June 12, which is the day I got Sidney’s suggested

drugs. That was a long and painful flare.

A few months ago I had an arm infection. I

asked Gay’s guidance on antibiotics. I also advocate that the legal/illegal

food list contain most of the items we take in, kind of like a single information

source. However that may just be too much for one list but we need to make

drug information as easily accessible to someone very intestinally sick as we

do the food list. Do you have some ideas how to effectuate this?

Aloha,

Mort

From: BTVC-SCD [mailto:BTVC-SCD ] On Behalf Of Wizop Marilyn L. Alm

Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009

6:03 PM

To: BTVC-SCD

Subject: RE: Re:

dealing with convenience foods for long-time SCDers -- was hot dogs

At 08:39

PM 10/3/2009, you wrote:

>> There are some serious contradictions between Sidney’s

and Elaine’s versions of SCD that need correcting. <<

Not when you consider the fact that Dr. Sidney Valentine Haas was a medical

doctor, and could thus prescribe medications which Elaine Gottschall, B.S., M.

Sc. could not. Some of the changes she made in the diet were made specifically

to address that.

>> I purchased Sidney’s

reprinted 1951 book to find wisdom. I found that he fed hospitalized

patients fructose (levulose) and dextrose (glucose), both which are absorbed

without any digestion, to gain weight. Secondly I read that opium or

atropine quiet spasming intestines. On June 12th I started the modern day

equivalents to opium and atropine. <<

Atropine can quiet more than spasming intestines: my mother gagged on some

water yesterday and then could not stop gagging. Fortunately, the hospice nurse

was there, and gave her some oral atropine.

Something else to realize: Elaine discovered, to her dismay, when she was

researching " pure " sugars, such as levulose and dextrose, that what

was being labeled as that in her day was not the pure sugars which Dr. Haas

used. The companies were doing mixed sugars, MOSTLY fructose, or MOSTLY

glucose, but often with di- and sometimes even tri-saccharides mixed in. Also,

Elaine discovered that fructose is metabolized differently from glucose --

fructose is metabolized by the liver, which is why it is sometimes recommended

to diabetics for control of blood sugar while allowing something sweet. But

fructose is being linked with a number of issues (when not contained by its

native fruit) that were never dreamed of in Dr. Haas' day.

>> This monosaccharide, opium, and atropin information is nowhere to be

found on any Elaine based SCD. There are other discrepancies but these

are the most blatant. <<

See above. Elaine was not an M.D. and could not prescribe those medications for

her clients. Plus her additional discoveries in the way the sugars were being

manufactured.

— Marilyn

New Orleans, Louisiana, USA

Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

Darn Good SCD Cook

No Human Children

Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

[Guest guest]

Thanks for your explanation about sugar

contamination, etc, Marilyn,

As a farmer we have to be very careful

about the inputs we buy. Du Pont accidentally mixed a herbicide in with

their fungicide Benlate. If I remember correctly the same factory made or

packaged both products. When the chemical farmers applied the fungicide

unwittingly they were also applying a herbicide (herbicides kill weed plants)

right on top of their crop. DuPont paid out over 1 billion dollars before

they started fighting what they considered possibly frivolous claims.

As an organic farmer I don’t use

such chemicals but Du Pont’s error bankrupted many farmers.

We also have to watch for, so to speak,

cross contamination but nowadays that is becoming more of a rarity. However

none of us want to flare, that is just awful.

I advocate that we need to let Sidney’s early work

to be better circulated as an additional choice. When my brother died the

flare SCD did not contain it from Jan 18 till June 12, which is the day I got Sidney’s suggested

drugs. That was a long and painful flare.

A few months ago I had an arm infection. I

asked Gay’s guidance on antibiotics. I also advocate that the legal/illegal

food list contain most of the items we take in, kind of like a single information

source. However that may just be too much for one list but we need to make

drug information as easily accessible to someone very intestinally sick as we

do the food list. Do you have some ideas how to effectuate this?

Aloha,

Mort

From: BTVC-SCD [mailto:BTVC-SCD ] On Behalf Of Wizop Marilyn L. Alm

Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009

6:03 PM

To: BTVC-SCD

Subject: RE: Re:

dealing with convenience foods for long-time SCDers -- was hot dogs

At 08:39

PM 10/3/2009, you wrote:

>> There are some serious contradictions between Sidney’s

and Elaine’s versions of SCD that need correcting. <<

Not when you consider the fact that Dr. Sidney Valentine Haas was a medical

doctor, and could thus prescribe medications which Elaine Gottschall, B.S., M.

Sc. could not. Some of the changes she made in the diet were made specifically

to address that.

>> I purchased Sidney’s

reprinted 1951 book to find wisdom. I found that he fed hospitalized

patients fructose (levulose) and dextrose (glucose), both which are absorbed

without any digestion, to gain weight. Secondly I read that opium or

atropine quiet spasming intestines. On June 12th I started the modern day

equivalents to opium and atropine. <<

Atropine can quiet more than spasming intestines: my mother gagged on some

water yesterday and then could not stop gagging. Fortunately, the hospice nurse

was there, and gave her some oral atropine.

Something else to realize: Elaine discovered, to her dismay, when she was

researching " pure " sugars, such as levulose and dextrose, that what

was being labeled as that in her day was not the pure sugars which Dr. Haas

used. The companies were doing mixed sugars, MOSTLY fructose, or MOSTLY

glucose, but often with di- and sometimes even tri-saccharides mixed in. Also,

Elaine discovered that fructose is metabolized differently from glucose --

fructose is metabolized by the liver, which is why it is sometimes recommended

to diabetics for control of blood sugar while allowing something sweet. But

fructose is being linked with a number of issues (when not contained by its

native fruit) that were never dreamed of in Dr. Haas' day.

>> This monosaccharide, opium, and atropin information is nowhere to be

found on any Elaine based SCD. There are other discrepancies but these

are the most blatant. <<

See above. Elaine was not an M.D. and could not prescribe those medications for

her clients. Plus her additional discoveries in the way the sugars were being

manufactured.

— Marilyn

New Orleans, Louisiana, USA

Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

Darn Good SCD Cook

No Human Children

Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

[Guest guest]

Thanks for your explanation about sugar

contamination, etc, Marilyn,

As a farmer we have to be very careful

about the inputs we buy. Du Pont accidentally mixed a herbicide in with

their fungicide Benlate. If I remember correctly the same factory made or

packaged both products. When the chemical farmers applied the fungicide

unwittingly they were also applying a herbicide (herbicides kill weed plants)

right on top of their crop. DuPont paid out over 1 billion dollars before

they started fighting what they considered possibly frivolous claims.

As an organic farmer I don’t use

such chemicals but Du Pont’s error bankrupted many farmers.

We also have to watch for, so to speak,

cross contamination but nowadays that is becoming more of a rarity. However

none of us want to flare, that is just awful.

I advocate that we need to let Sidney’s early work

to be better circulated as an additional choice. When my brother died the

flare SCD did not contain it from Jan 18 till June 12, which is the day I got Sidney’s suggested

drugs. That was a long and painful flare.

A few months ago I had an arm infection. I

asked Gay’s guidance on antibiotics. I also advocate that the legal/illegal

food list contain most of the items we take in, kind of like a single information

source. However that may just be too much for one list but we need to make

drug information as easily accessible to someone very intestinally sick as we

do the food list. Do you have some ideas how to effectuate this?

Aloha,

Mort

From: BTVC-SCD [mailto:BTVC-SCD ] On Behalf Of Wizop Marilyn L. Alm

Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009

6:03 PM

To: BTVC-SCD

Subject: RE: Re:

dealing with convenience foods for long-time SCDers -- was hot dogs

At 08:39

PM 10/3/2009, you wrote:

>> There are some serious contradictions between Sidney’s

and Elaine’s versions of SCD that need correcting. <<

Not when you consider the fact that Dr. Sidney Valentine Haas was a medical

doctor, and could thus prescribe medications which Elaine Gottschall, B.S., M.

Sc. could not. Some of the changes she made in the diet were made specifically

to address that.

>> I purchased Sidney’s

reprinted 1951 book to find wisdom. I found that he fed hospitalized

patients fructose (levulose) and dextrose (glucose), both which are absorbed

without any digestion, to gain weight. Secondly I read that opium or

atropine quiet spasming intestines. On June 12th I started the modern day

equivalents to opium and atropine. <<

Atropine can quiet more than spasming intestines: my mother gagged on some

water yesterday and then could not stop gagging. Fortunately, the hospice nurse

was there, and gave her some oral atropine.

Something else to realize: Elaine discovered, to her dismay, when she was

researching " pure " sugars, such as levulose and dextrose, that what

was being labeled as that in her day was not the pure sugars which Dr. Haas

used. The companies were doing mixed sugars, MOSTLY fructose, or MOSTLY

glucose, but often with di- and sometimes even tri-saccharides mixed in. Also,

Elaine discovered that fructose is metabolized differently from glucose --

fructose is metabolized by the liver, which is why it is sometimes recommended

to diabetics for control of blood sugar while allowing something sweet. But

fructose is being linked with a number of issues (when not contained by its

native fruit) that were never dreamed of in Dr. Haas' day.

>> This monosaccharide, opium, and atropin information is nowhere to be

found on any Elaine based SCD. There are other discrepancies but these

are the most blatant. <<

See above. Elaine was not an M.D. and could not prescribe those medications for

her clients. Plus her additional discoveries in the way the sugars were being

manufactured.

— Marilyn

New Orleans, Louisiana, USA

Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

Darn Good SCD Cook

No Human Children

Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

[Guest guest]

Thanks both Jodi and Mara

As this is my first visit to pecan’s

SCD legal food list I didn’t previously know there was another separate

food listing from Elaine’s web site.

Yes, my wasabi is the radish type root

part of wasabi dried and then powdered. This brand is certified Kosher

indicating an independent group confirmed that “it is what it is!”

If all we need is a letter from the

manufacturer that “pure unadulterated” wasabi plant simply powdered

then I totally agree with that way of adding ethnic foods to the SCD legal

list. Actually all I am advocating is a simple reasonable way to communicate

these difficult to find products with anyone interested in using them.

As Elaine advocated Dole Pineapple juice (but

not Del Monte’s pineapple juice) as legal because of their ingredient SCD

safeness and dependability I am advocating the same investigation for other

branded products, which is what I call “modernizing”. Which

term would you use to describe what I am calling “modernizing”?

Aloha,

Mort

From: BTVC-SCD [mailto:BTVC-SCD ] On Behalf Of Jodi

Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2009

2:52 AM

To: BTVC-SCD

Subject: Re: dealing

with convenience foods for long-time SCDers -- was hot dogs

Hi Mort,

Responses below;

> The hardest food for me to give up for SCD was Wasabi and Soy Sauce for my

> sashimi. Finally I found pure wasabi kosher certified confirming its

> labeling as pure Wasabia japonica - this should be added as a legal food.

> Sometimes I use certified organic or kosher as additional people are

> inspecting it to confirm labeling is correct.

I think there is a big difference between modernizing the legal/illegal list

and adding the dry wasabi you found? I gather it is dehydrated powder- please

correct me if I am wrong.. anyway- Why is there a difference? Well, Whole pure

Wasabi can be listed as legal but if it is processed to be a powder or a mix

(like many wasabi's are) than that is a commercial product and therefor we need

a letterhead to make it SCD legal.

[Guest guest]

Thanks both Jodi and Mara

As this is my first visit to pecan’s

SCD legal food list I didn’t previously know there was another separate

food listing from Elaine’s web site.

Yes, my wasabi is the radish type root

part of wasabi dried and then powdered. This brand is certified Kosher

indicating an independent group confirmed that “it is what it is!”

If all we need is a letter from the

manufacturer that “pure unadulterated” wasabi plant simply powdered

then I totally agree with that way of adding ethnic foods to the SCD legal

list. Actually all I am advocating is a simple reasonable way to communicate

these difficult to find products with anyone interested in using them.

As Elaine advocated Dole Pineapple juice (but

not Del Monte’s pineapple juice) as legal because of their ingredient SCD

safeness and dependability I am advocating the same investigation for other

branded products, which is what I call “modernizing”. Which

term would you use to describe what I am calling “modernizing”?

Aloha,

Mort

From: BTVC-SCD [mailto:BTVC-SCD ] On Behalf Of Jodi

Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2009

2:52 AM

To: BTVC-SCD

Subject: Re: dealing

with convenience foods for long-time SCDers -- was hot dogs

Hi Mort,

Responses below;

> The hardest food for me to give up for SCD was Wasabi and Soy Sauce for my

> sashimi. Finally I found pure wasabi kosher certified confirming its

> labeling as pure Wasabia japonica - this should be added as a legal food.

> Sometimes I use certified organic or kosher as additional people are

> inspecting it to confirm labeling is correct.

I think there is a big difference between modernizing the legal/illegal list

and adding the dry wasabi you found? I gather it is dehydrated powder- please

correct me if I am wrong.. anyway- Why is there a difference? Well, Whole pure

Wasabi can be listed as legal but if it is processed to be a powder or a mix

(like many wasabi's are) than that is a commercial product and therefor we need

a letterhead to make it SCD legal.

[Guest guest]

Thanks both Jodi and Mara

As this is my first visit to pecan’s

SCD legal food list I didn’t previously know there was another separate

food listing from Elaine’s web site.

Yes, my wasabi is the radish type root

part of wasabi dried and then powdered. This brand is certified Kosher

indicating an independent group confirmed that “it is what it is!”

If all we need is a letter from the

manufacturer that “pure unadulterated” wasabi plant simply powdered

then I totally agree with that way of adding ethnic foods to the SCD legal

list. Actually all I am advocating is a simple reasonable way to communicate

these difficult to find products with anyone interested in using them.

As Elaine advocated Dole Pineapple juice (but

not Del Monte’s pineapple juice) as legal because of their ingredient SCD

safeness and dependability I am advocating the same investigation for other

branded products, which is what I call “modernizing”. Which

term would you use to describe what I am calling “modernizing”?

Aloha,

Mort

From: BTVC-SCD [mailto:BTVC-SCD ] On Behalf Of Jodi

Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2009

2:52 AM

To: BTVC-SCD

Subject: Re: dealing

with convenience foods for long-time SCDers -- was hot dogs

Hi Mort,

Responses below;

> The hardest food for me to give up for SCD was Wasabi and Soy Sauce for my

> sashimi. Finally I found pure wasabi kosher certified confirming its

> labeling as pure Wasabia japonica - this should be added as a legal food.

> Sometimes I use certified organic or kosher as additional people are

> inspecting it to confirm labeling is correct.

I think there is a big difference between modernizing the legal/illegal list

and adding the dry wasabi you found? I gather it is dehydrated powder- please

correct me if I am wrong.. anyway- Why is there a difference? Well, Whole pure

Wasabi can be listed as legal but if it is processed to be a powder or a mix

(like many wasabi's are) than that is a commercial product and therefor we need

a letterhead to make it SCD legal.

[Guest guest]

At 02:12 PM 10/4/2009, you wrote:

>> I advocate that we need to let Sidney’s early work to be better

circulated as an additional choice. When my brother died the flare

SCD did not contain it from Jan 18 till June 12, which is the day I got

Sidney’s suggested drugs. That was a long and painful flare.

<<

Well, what would have to be done in order to do that is to find all of

the articles, obtain permission from the copyright holders, compile all

his research work into a book and publish it, as was done with the

republication of the Management of Celiac Disease.

With regret, although I would find it fascinating to read, I don't have

the time to do that.

>> I also advocate that the

legal/illegal food list contain most of the items we take in, kind of

like a single information source. However that may just be too much

for one list but we need to make drug information as easily accessible to

someone very intestinally sick as we do the food list. Do you have

some ideas how to effectuate this? <<

I've been working on lists like this, but we can't produce a PDR

for SCDers!

http://www.rxlist.com/script/main/hp.asp

is a helpful website which tells you exactly what's in a

medication. It was here that I discovered how many illegals the pain

medicine I was on after my cancer surgery contained, and that the Motrin

they put me on after that was formulated with lactose. Ironically, the

on-going pain which I was attributing to my surgery turned out to be

gut-spasms caused by feeding all those dratted bad bacteria I've been

trying to starve out.

How do you create a list of " most of the items we take in " ?

What I consume is not what you consume, and may not bear any relationship

to what a dozen other people may consume?

—

Marilyn

New

Orleans, Louisiana, USA

Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

Darn Good SCD Cook

No Human Children

Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

[Guest guest]

At 02:12 PM 10/4/2009, you wrote:

>> I advocate that we need to let Sidney’s early work to be better

circulated as an additional choice. When my brother died the flare

SCD did not contain it from Jan 18 till June 12, which is the day I got

Sidney’s suggested drugs. That was a long and painful flare.

<<

Well, what would have to be done in order to do that is to find all of

the articles, obtain permission from the copyright holders, compile all

his research work into a book and publish it, as was done with the

republication of the Management of Celiac Disease.

With regret, although I would find it fascinating to read, I don't have

the time to do that.

>> I also advocate that the

legal/illegal food list contain most of the items we take in, kind of

like a single information source. However that may just be too much

for one list but we need to make drug information as easily accessible to

someone very intestinally sick as we do the food list. Do you have

some ideas how to effectuate this? <<

I've been working on lists like this, but we can't produce a PDR

for SCDers!

http://www.rxlist.com/script/main/hp.asp

is a helpful website which tells you exactly what's in a

medication. It was here that I discovered how many illegals the pain

medicine I was on after my cancer surgery contained, and that the Motrin

they put me on after that was formulated with lactose. Ironically, the

on-going pain which I was attributing to my surgery turned out to be

gut-spasms caused by feeding all those dratted bad bacteria I've been

trying to starve out.

How do you create a list of " most of the items we take in " ?

What I consume is not what you consume, and may not bear any relationship

to what a dozen other people may consume?

—

Marilyn

New

Orleans, Louisiana, USA

Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

Darn Good SCD Cook

No Human Children

Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

[Guest guest]

At 02:12 PM 10/4/2009, you wrote:

>> I advocate that we need to let Sidney’s early work to be better

circulated as an additional choice. When my brother died the flare

SCD did not contain it from Jan 18 till June 12, which is the day I got

Sidney’s suggested drugs. That was a long and painful flare.

<<

Well, what would have to be done in order to do that is to find all of

the articles, obtain permission from the copyright holders, compile all

his research work into a book and publish it, as was done with the

republication of the Management of Celiac Disease.

With regret, although I would find it fascinating to read, I don't have

the time to do that.

>> I also advocate that the

legal/illegal food list contain most of the items we take in, kind of

like a single information source. However that may just be too much

for one list but we need to make drug information as easily accessible to

someone very intestinally sick as we do the food list. Do you have

some ideas how to effectuate this? <<

I've been working on lists like this, but we can't produce a PDR

for SCDers!

http://www.rxlist.com/script/main/hp.asp

is a helpful website which tells you exactly what's in a

medication. It was here that I discovered how many illegals the pain

medicine I was on after my cancer surgery contained, and that the Motrin

they put me on after that was formulated with lactose. Ironically, the

on-going pain which I was attributing to my surgery turned out to be

gut-spasms caused by feeding all those dratted bad bacteria I've been

trying to starve out.

How do you create a list of " most of the items we take in " ?

What I consume is not what you consume, and may not bear any relationship

to what a dozen other people may consume?

—

Marilyn

New

Orleans, Louisiana, USA

Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

Darn Good SCD Cook

No Human Children

Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

[Guest guest]

As

Elaine advocated Dole Pineapple juice (but not Del Monte’s pineapple

juice) as legal because of their ingredient SCD safeness and

dependability I am advocating the same investigation for other branded

products, which is what I call “modernizing”. Which term would you

use to describe what I am calling “modernizing”?

Mort,

That's what we've been talking about. How to accomplish this, and how to

be sure the recommendations we may come up with are, in fact, what Elaine

herself might have done.

—

Marilyn

New

Orleans, Louisiana, USA

Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

Darn Good SCD Cook

No Human Children

Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

[Guest guest]

Thanks Marilyn,

I think I better understand the challenge

now. Innocently all I just wanted were a few ethnic branded foods that took me

some months to find listed as legal for other people interested to use.

Regarding a different email from you mislabeling

is a type of crime. I know some of the penalties for mislabeling produce are regulated

by the federal “perishable agricultural commodities act”. Later,

in the next month or two, I will make the time to investigate this more.

Regarding another email from you I was

thinking to gather together Sidney’s

collected publications to read them over for additional wisdom and

understanding anyway. With that knowledge the path probably will become clear.

As my registered trademarks have to be renewed every 10 years and also have to

be actively used I suspect but I am not positive that Sidney’s works are no longer protected

by trademark.

Aloha,

Mort

From:

BTVC-SCD [mailto:BTVC-SCD ] On Behalf Of Wizop Marilyn L. Alm

Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2009

4:31 PM

To: BTVC-SCD

Subject: RE: Re:

dealing with convenience foods for long-time SCDers -- was hot dogs

As Elaine advocated Dole Pineapple juice

(but not Del Monte’s pineapple juice) as legal because of their

ingredient SCD safeness and dependability I am advocating the same

investigation for other branded products, which is what I call “modernizing”.

Which term would you use to describe what I am calling

“modernizing”?

Mort,

That's what we've been talking about. How to accomplish this, and how to be

sure the recommendations we may come up with are, in fact, what Elaine herself

might have done.

— Marilyn

New Orleans, Louisiana, USA

Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

Darn Good SCD Cook

No Human Children

Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

[Guest guest]

Thanks Marilyn,

I think I better understand the challenge

now. Innocently all I just wanted were a few ethnic branded foods that took me

some months to find listed as legal for other people interested to use.

Regarding a different email from you mislabeling

is a type of crime. I know some of the penalties for mislabeling produce are regulated

by the federal “perishable agricultural commodities act”. Later,

in the next month or two, I will make the time to investigate this more.

Regarding another email from you I was

thinking to gather together Sidney’s

collected publications to read them over for additional wisdom and

understanding anyway. With that knowledge the path probably will become clear.

As my registered trademarks have to be renewed every 10 years and also have to

be actively used I suspect but I am not positive that Sidney’s works are no longer protected

by trademark.

Aloha,

Mort

From:

BTVC-SCD [mailto:BTVC-SCD ] On Behalf Of Wizop Marilyn L. Alm

Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2009

4:31 PM

To: BTVC-SCD

Subject: RE: Re:

dealing with convenience foods for long-time SCDers -- was hot dogs

As Elaine advocated Dole Pineapple juice

(but not Del Monte’s pineapple juice) as legal because of their

ingredient SCD safeness and dependability I am advocating the same

investigation for other branded products, which is what I call “modernizing”.

Which term would you use to describe what I am calling

“modernizing”?

Mort,

That's what we've been talking about. How to accomplish this, and how to be

sure the recommendations we may come up with are, in fact, what Elaine herself

might have done.

— Marilyn

New Orleans, Louisiana, USA

Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

Darn Good SCD Cook

No Human Children

Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

[Guest guest]

Mort,

The thing to realize is that SCD, both as Elaine developed it through her

research, and as Dr. Haas developed it through his, reflects the food

tastes and culture of the US Northeast, and Canadian Southeast.

It doesn't include Cajun, Hawaiian, French, Japanese, Indian, Chinese or

hundreds of other ethnic cuisines. Heck, I couldn't find dry curd cottage

cheese for four years! I made an awful lot of yogurt to

compensate.

Or consider the question of cheeses. Elaine has a short list of more

common ones in BTVC. But there are HUNDREDS of kinds of cheese out of

every kind of milk imaginable -- cow, goat, sheep, camel,

reindeer.

I know of one place that carries frozen mild green chilies (which I use

in Mexican style dishes). They come in two pound packages, and are

shipped by air, making them prohibitively expensive. So I'm stuck with

getting fresh chiles when Whole Foods carries them, and freezing them.

Not at all as convenient as buying small four ounce cans of chopped mild

chiles.

I cried my eyes out after Katrina when I had to throw out months of

carefully prepared foods, including the sauce from well over 100 pounds

of heirloom tomatoes. If I'd known how to can, and had canned the sauces,

they'd have been fine.

These are the kinds of things whicvh are required for SCD... and how do

you teach hands-on cooking over the Net?

With regards to the idea of locating Dr. Haas' published work, that

commendable, and I'd love to see it. But keep in mind that COPYRIGHT law

is different from TRADEMARK law -- copyrights current are 70 years (I

think) from the death of the holder... so we have at least 20 more years

to go, unless you work with an attorney, and gain permission to do a

republication.

—

Marilyn

New

Orleans, Louisiana, USA

Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

Darn Good SCD Cook

No Human Children

Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

Thanks Marilyn,

I think I better understand the challenge

now. Innocently all I just wanted were a few ethnic branded foods

that took me some months to find listed as legal for other people

interested to use.

Regarding a different email from you

mislabeling is a type of crime. I know some of the penalties for

mislabeling produce are regulated by the federal “perishable agricultural

commodities act”. Later, in the next month or two, I will make the

time to investigate this more.

Regarding another email from you I was

thinking to gather together Sidney’s collected publications to read them

over for additional wisdom and understanding anyway. With that

knowledge the path probably will become clear. As my registered

trademarks have to be renewed every 10 years and also have to be actively

used I suspect but I am not positive that Sidney’s works are no longer

protected by trademark.

Aloha,

Mort

[Guest guest]

Mort,

The thing to realize is that SCD, both as Elaine developed it through her

research, and as Dr. Haas developed it through his, reflects the food

tastes and culture of the US Northeast, and Canadian Southeast.

It doesn't include Cajun, Hawaiian, French, Japanese, Indian, Chinese or

hundreds of other ethnic cuisines. Heck, I couldn't find dry curd cottage

cheese for four years! I made an awful lot of yogurt to

compensate.

Or consider the question of cheeses. Elaine has a short list of more

common ones in BTVC. But there are HUNDREDS of kinds of cheese out of

every kind of milk imaginable -- cow, goat, sheep, camel,

reindeer.

I know of one place that carries frozen mild green chilies (which I use

in Mexican style dishes). They come in two pound packages, and are

shipped by air, making them prohibitively expensive. So I'm stuck with

getting fresh chiles when Whole Foods carries them, and freezing them.

Not at all as convenient as buying small four ounce cans of chopped mild

chiles.

I cried my eyes out after Katrina when I had to throw out months of

carefully prepared foods, including the sauce from well over 100 pounds

of heirloom tomatoes. If I'd known how to can, and had canned the sauces,

they'd have been fine.

These are the kinds of things whicvh are required for SCD... and how do

you teach hands-on cooking over the Net?

With regards to the idea of locating Dr. Haas' published work, that

commendable, and I'd love to see it. But keep in mind that COPYRIGHT law

is different from TRADEMARK law -- copyrights current are 70 years (I

think) from the death of the holder... so we have at least 20 more years

to go, unless you work with an attorney, and gain permission to do a

republication.

—

Marilyn

New

Orleans, Louisiana, USA

Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

Darn Good SCD Cook

No Human Children

Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

Thanks Marilyn,

I think I better understand the challenge

now. Innocently all I just wanted were a few ethnic branded foods

that took me some months to find listed as legal for other people

interested to use.

Regarding a different email from you

mislabeling is a type of crime. I know some of the penalties for

mislabeling produce are regulated by the federal “perishable agricultural

commodities act”. Later, in the next month or two, I will make the

time to investigate this more.

Regarding another email from you I was

thinking to gather together Sidney’s collected publications to read them

over for additional wisdom and understanding anyway. With that

knowledge the path probably will become clear. As my registered

trademarks have to be renewed every 10 years and also have to be actively

used I suspect but I am not positive that Sidney’s works are no longer

protected by trademark.

Aloha,

Mort

[Guest guest]

Thanks Jodi,

I think I understand. Originally I

thought the 2 lists were really one list but I was mistaken.

I remember you saying that you reacted

very badly to some antibiotic. When my arm became infected I was worried about

antibiotics because antibiotic induced ulcerative colitis is a real problem for

my age group but Gay Bauer provided me antibiotic guidance. I really think we

need a third listing for medications reactions unique to intestinally challenged

people but that is just my thought. Maybe my thought is age related that 89%

of adults over 55 are on permanent type prescription drugs.

Aloha,

Mort

From: BTVC-SCD [mailto:BTVC-SCD ] On Behalf Of Jodi

Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009

1:32 AM

To: BTVC-SCD

Subject: Re: dealing

with convenience foods for long-time SCDers -- was hot dogs

Hi Mort..

I like the term " updating "

We need to differentiate between the legal/illegal list and the commercial

products list. These are two very different things.

Cool?

Jodi

[Guest guest]

Thanks Jodi,

I think I understand. Originally I

thought the 2 lists were really one list but I was mistaken.

I remember you saying that you reacted

very badly to some antibiotic. When my arm became infected I was worried about

antibiotics because antibiotic induced ulcerative colitis is a real problem for

my age group but Gay Bauer provided me antibiotic guidance. I really think we

need a third listing for medications reactions unique to intestinally challenged

people but that is just my thought. Maybe my thought is age related that 89%

of adults over 55 are on permanent type prescription drugs.

Aloha,

Mort

From: BTVC-SCD [mailto:BTVC-SCD ] On Behalf Of Jodi

Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009

1:32 AM

To: BTVC-SCD

Subject: Re: dealing

with convenience foods for long-time SCDers -- was hot dogs

Hi Mort..

I like the term " updating "

We need to differentiate between the legal/illegal list and the commercial

products list. These are two very different things.

Cool?

Jodi

[Guest guest]

Thanks Jodi,

I think I understand. Originally I

thought the 2 lists were really one list but I was mistaken.

I remember you saying that you reacted

very badly to some antibiotic. When my arm became infected I was worried about

antibiotics because antibiotic induced ulcerative colitis is a real problem for

my age group but Gay Bauer provided me antibiotic guidance. I really think we

need a third listing for medications reactions unique to intestinally challenged

people but that is just my thought. Maybe my thought is age related that 89%

of adults over 55 are on permanent type prescription drugs.

Aloha,

Mort

From: BTVC-SCD [mailto:BTVC-SCD ] On Behalf Of Jodi

Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009

1:32 AM

To: BTVC-SCD

Subject: Re: dealing

with convenience foods for long-time SCDers -- was hot dogs

Hi Mort..

I like the term " updating "

We need to differentiate between the legal/illegal list and the commercial

products list. These are two very different things.

Cool?

Jodi