Guest guest Posted January 18, 2002 Report Share Posted January 18, 2002 In response to the inquiry about the three-stream concept: I, too, wondered how this concept came about. But I haven't come across any information about how it was developed (although I haven't really been looking). Personally, I don't really think that there are three streams. I think that, like so many other things, the three stream way of thinking is arbitrary. It could have been divided into four, or even five. I would say that the movement is more circular, like areas of rotation. The East Coast is fairly easy to separate from other rotations because of the timing of the growing seasons from north to south along the coast. This is something I know from personal experience. But the midwest (which I only know about from reading other people's research) seems to be a bit more complicated. It seems as if some people there move in very wide circles, and others move in very small circles. I would not say that the majority of people there move in the same way. I think there's a lot more to the movement there than the three-stream concept can describe. I am not very familiar with the movement around California, or the rest of the West Coast, so I cannot say anything about that. But there's nothing that says you can't devise a new diagram to describe migrant movement. Perhaps its time to create something that more accurately reflects what is actually happening. After all, the three stream concept seems, at least according to the diagrams I've seen of it, to exclude the groups of people working in the far northern regions of the U.S. On the other hand, the benefits of thinking about it in groups of three is that it's easier to organize around it. Louise Tokarsky-Unda p.s. The other day I saw a painting of Cesar Chavez which was very interesting. It was being sold at a place that specializes in religious items. The picture portrayed Chavez with a halo of light behind his head. He was holding the U.S. constitution and wearing a shirt with the logo of the farm worker movement on it. The halo, and the fact that this painting was being sold at a religious store, suggest that Chavez is now a religious figure. Does anyone know if there are any people who believe that he is a saint? I'm just curious. --- V Bletzer <keith.bletzer@...> wrote: > Migrant.Health.Research.Network: > > I have an interest in learning more about the > development of the > three-stream concept. I am particularly interested > in finding out about > the creation of the three-stream diagram that is > source-dated as 1974 and > source-identified as the National Migrant > Information Clearing House. What > role did the diagram play in the development of the > three-stream concept > (or vice-versa)? Is the diagram's " branching " meant > to depict streams? > Were there prior diagrams? This diagram often > appeared in reports and > publications as late as the 1980s and early 1990s. > > Thanks for suggestions and information. > > V Bletzer. Department of Anthropology, > Arizona State Univ. > > __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2002 Report Share Posted January 18, 2002 You are so right - the streams are arbitrary. The were developed a couple decades ago by the Department of Education - at least that is the earliest I have found reference to a map - to provide a common language for discussion of service delivery, data collection, and policy decitions. It was quite logical to start withthe three biggest homebase states and move northward. Clearly - things have changed! I have attached a jpeg of the 1989 map from DOE. Cheers - Kathi -----Original Message----- From: Louise Tokarsky [mailto:monjagitana@...] Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 10:17 AM Subject: Re: [ ] three-streams In response to the inquiry about the three-stream concept: I, too, wondered how this concept came about. But I haven't come across any information about how it was developed (although I haven't really been looking). Personally, I don't really think that there are three streams. I think that, like so many other things, the three stream way of thinking is arbitrary. It could have been divided into four, or even five. I would say that the movement is more circular, like areas of rotation. The East Coast is fairly easy to separate from other rotations because of the timing of the growing seasons from north to south along the coast. This is something I know from personal experience. But the midwest (which I only know about from reading other people's research) seems to be a bit more complicated. It seems as if some people there move in very wide circles, and others move in very small circles. I would not say that the majority of people there move in the same way. I think there's a lot more to the movement there than the three-stream concept can describe. I am not very familiar with the movement around California, or the rest of the West Coast, so I cannot say anything about that. But there's nothing that says you can't devise a new diagram to describe migrant movement. Perhaps its time to create something that more accurately reflects what is actually happening. After all, the three stream concept seems, at least according to the diagrams I've seen of it, to exclude the groups of people working in the far northern regions of the U.S. On the other hand, the benefits of thinking about it in groups of three is that it's easier to organize around it. Louise Tokarsky-Unda p.s. The other day I saw a painting of Cesar Chavez which was very interesting. It was being sold at a place that specializes in religious items. The picture portrayed Chavez with a halo of light behind his head. He was holding the U.S. constitution and wearing a shirt with the logo of the farm worker movement on it. The halo, and the fact that this painting was being sold at a religious store, suggest that Chavez is now a religious figure. Does anyone know if there are any people who believe that he is a saint? I'm just curious. --- V Bletzer <keith.bletzer@...> wrote: > Migrant.Health.Research.Network: > > I have an interest in learning more about the > development of the > three-stream concept. I am particularly interested > in finding out about > the creation of the three-stream diagram that is > source-dated as 1974 and > source-identified as the National Migrant > Information Clearing House. What > role did the diagram play in the development of the > three-stream concept > (or vice-versa)? Is the diagram's " branching " meant > to depict streams? > Were there prior diagrams? This diagram often > appeared in reports and > publications as late as the 1980s and early 1990s. > > Thanks for suggestions and information. > > V Bletzer. Department of Anthropology, > Arizona State Univ. > > __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2002 Report Share Posted January 18, 2002 I agree that the stream division was a somewhat arbitrary. I do think that anecdotally people from new york can state that they receive many migrants from florida, for example. but migration is a much for complex activity. MCN has outlined a different description of the functions that impact migration. this model combines tenure (time spent migrating for farm labor) social network (understanding and knowledge of communities and services) and capital (money to sustain the migrant from point to point prior to earning from agriculture). for a map and some discussion please go to the MCN website at www.migrantclinician.org del garcia > -----Original Message----- > From: Louise Tokarsky [mailto:monjagitana@...] > Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 9:17 AM > > Subject: Re: [ ] three-streams > > > In response to the inquiry about the three-stream > concept: > I, too, wondered how this concept came about. But > I haven't come across any information about how it was > developed (although I haven't really been looking). > Personally, I don't really think that there are three > streams. I think that, like so many other things, the > three stream way of thinking is arbitrary. It could > have been divided into four, or even five. > I would say that the movement is more circular, > like areas of rotation. The East Coast is fairly easy > to separate from other rotations because of the timing > of the growing seasons from north to south along the > coast. This is something I know from personal > experience. But the midwest (which I only know about > from reading other people's research) seems to be a > bit more complicated. It seems as if some people > there move in very wide circles, and others move in > very small circles. I would not say that the majority > of people there move in the same way. I think there's > a lot more to the movement there than the three-stream > concept can describe. I am not very familiar with the > movement around California, or the rest of the West > Coast, so I cannot say anything about that. But > there's nothing that says you can't devise a new > diagram to describe migrant movement. Perhaps its > time to create something that more accurately reflects > what is actually happening. After all, the three > stream concept seems, at least according to the > diagrams I've seen of it, to exclude the groups of > people working in the far northern regions of the U.S. > On the other hand, the benefits of thinking about it > in groups of three is that it's easier to organize > around it. > Louise Tokarsky-Unda > p.s. > The other day I saw a painting of Cesar Chavez which > was very interesting. It was being sold at a place > that specializes in religious items. The picture > portrayed Chavez with a halo of light behind his head. > He was holding the U.S. constitution and wearing a > shirt with the logo of the farm worker movement on it. > The halo, and the fact that this painting was being > sold at a religious store, suggest that Chavez is now > a religious figure. Does anyone know if there are any > people who believe that he is a saint? I'm just > curious. > --- V Bletzer <keith.bletzer@...> wrote: > > Migrant.Health.Research.Network: > > > > I have an interest in learning more about the > > development of the > > three-stream concept. I am particularly interested > > in finding out about > > the creation of the three-stream diagram that is > > source-dated as 1974 and > > source-identified as the National Migrant > > Information Clearing House. What > > role did the diagram play in the development of the > > three-stream concept > > (or vice-versa)? Is the diagram's " branching " meant > > to depict streams? > > Were there prior diagrams? This diagram often > > appeared in reports and > > publications as late as the 1980s and early 1990s. > > > > Thanks for suggestions and information. > > > > V Bletzer. Department of Anthropology, > > Arizona State Univ. > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 19, 2002 Report Share Posted January 19, 2002 , I'm pretty sure the map itself with the three streams was produced by the Migrant Student Record Transfer System (Migrant Education Program) run, at that time, from Little Rock Arkansas. It was the first national effort to computerize any travel information on migrants. (Yes, the days when the computer took up a whole room .) The information was based on student record transfer requests within the Migrant Education Program so only reflected migrant families. I do, however, believe the concept of three streams was prevalent before that. Alice Alice C. Larson, Ph.D. Larson Assistance Services P.O. Box 801 Vashon Island, WA 98070 206-463-9000 (voice) 206-463-9400 (fax) las@... ----- Original Message ----- From: " V Bletzer " <keith.bletzer@...> < > Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 5:59 AM Subject: [ ] three-streams > Migrant.Health.Research.Network: > > I have an interest in learning more about the development of the > three-stream concept. I am particularly interested in finding out about > the creation of the three-stream diagram that is source-dated as 1974 and > source-identified as the National Migrant Information Clearing House. What > role did the diagram play in the development of the three-stream concept > (or vice-versa)? Is the diagram's " branching " meant to depict streams? > Were there prior diagrams? This diagram often appeared in reports and > publications as late as the 1980s and early 1990s. > > Thanks for suggestions and information. > > V Bletzer. Department of Anthropology, Arizona State Univ. > > > > To Post a message, send it to: Groups > > To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: -unsubscribe > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 19, 2002 Report Share Posted January 19, 2002 I've been reading the information about the travel and return rates on migrant families. You are on target about the migrant families but the way the system worked the return rate would only count for status 1 families, that is the 1's were the families that traveled from state to state, The 11's were county to county within the same state, and 111's were the ones that stayed for over a year in the same place. They used to just count the students that were attending school. Things changed and then they started counting all the children, which they still do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 19, 2002 Report Share Posted January 19, 2002 Hi All, The three stream concept was in place as early as 1971. The department of labor or DOL, and IMPD which stood for Indian and Migrant Program Division under the old Health Education and Welfare Dept. certainly used it back then. It was in use before the migrant records ssystem. Ask them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2002 Report Share Posted March 6, 2002 I am way behind in my list serve reading. I just wanted to add another posting on the Migrant Stream Map history. I collect migrant stream maps (current and historic) so please let me know of any more that might exist. This is another old one that I had. It comes from geographer Ingolf Vogeler's book The Myth of the Family Farm. 1982. Boulder, CO: Westview Press which I remember reading in graduate school. It is posted on one of his many web sites. It also comes with estimates of the size of the streams (handwritten) but I believe that the estimates are from his book. http://www.uwec.edu/Academic/Geography/Ivogeler/w111/agr9.htm <<UWEC geog 111 Vogeler - Seasonal Migratory Agricultural Workers.url>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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