Guest guest Posted September 17, 2009 Report Share Posted September 17, 2009 Hi and others who can help, It was a doctor on the GERDS list that suggested Bromelain... Is HCI the same as protein enzymes? Should I be taking it as well as multiple enzymes to help me digest milk yogurt, protein, fat and carbs? Thanks for your advice, GERDS and chronic C. SCD 17 mths > > Sorry, . HCl is hydrochloric acid. The type I take is betaine > hydrochloride (I think it's -ide). I believe this is the most > standard variety. Hmm, not sure why bromelain should make C > worse! Offhand it sounds illogical but many of us have strange > reactions to this or that. But the HCl is what replaces low (or in > my case, non-existent) hydrochloric acid production in the > stomach. Bromelain is not the same thing. If you do try the HCl, I > read somewhere (maybe here on the board) that sometimes taking it at > the end of the meal is better than before. Me, I try to bury all my > supplements with my meal sort of in layers. Food, pill, food, etc. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2009 Report Share Posted September 17, 2009 Hi and others who can help, It was a doctor on the GERDS list that suggested Bromelain... Is HCI the same as protein enzymes? Should I be taking it as well as multiple enzymes to help me digest milk yogurt, protein, fat and carbs? Thanks for your advice, GERDS and chronic C. SCD 17 mths > > Sorry, . HCl is hydrochloric acid. The type I take is betaine > hydrochloride (I think it's -ide). I believe this is the most > standard variety. Hmm, not sure why bromelain should make C > worse! Offhand it sounds illogical but many of us have strange > reactions to this or that. But the HCl is what replaces low (or in > my case, non-existent) hydrochloric acid production in the > stomach. Bromelain is not the same thing. If you do try the HCl, I > read somewhere (maybe here on the board) that sometimes taking it at > the end of the meal is better than before. Me, I try to bury all my > supplements with my meal sort of in layers. Food, pill, food, etc. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2009 Report Share Posted September 17, 2009 Hi and others who can help, It was a doctor on the GERDS list that suggested Bromelain... Is HCI the same as protein enzymes? Should I be taking it as well as multiple enzymes to help me digest milk yogurt, protein, fat and carbs? Thanks for your advice, GERDS and chronic C. SCD 17 mths > > Sorry, . HCl is hydrochloric acid. The type I take is betaine > hydrochloride (I think it's -ide). I believe this is the most > standard variety. Hmm, not sure why bromelain should make C > worse! Offhand it sounds illogical but many of us have strange > reactions to this or that. But the HCl is what replaces low (or in > my case, non-existent) hydrochloric acid production in the > stomach. Bromelain is not the same thing. If you do try the HCl, I > read somewhere (maybe here on the board) that sometimes taking it at > the end of the meal is better than before. Me, I try to bury all my > supplements with my meal sort of in layers. Food, pill, food, etc. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2009 Report Share Posted September 17, 2009 It can get confusing. HCl is a biochemical (acid) that helps break down food, but it is different than enzymes produced by the pancreas and liver. At least I think digestive enzymes are all coming from the pancreas and liver -- hmmm, better check my facts on which glands produce the enzymes.... Anyway, many digestive enzymes include HCl but don't have to. Bromelain is a form of enzyme (found in pineapple) but is a different " animal " chemically speaking than protease, lipase, lactase, cellulase, etc. I'd start off with a good (and legal) digestive enzyme. There are a few listed on www.pecanbread.com. Most of the legals I've seen include some HCl. See if they help. Just start off slowly and cautiously. I have had terrible experiences with digestive enzymes over the past 6 years (immune responses for the most part). If you can find someone who can help you narrow down which enzymes you lack or need to supplement, that will help. We don't always need all of them. Some folks do best with just bromelain and not introducing synthesized enzymes. Some folks do best with just additional HCl. So, trial and error. There's a lot to research and understand about our digestive systems, since other body systems are also connected... Gets complicated. Kim M. SCD 5+ years > > Hi and others who can help, > It was a doctor on the GERDS list that suggested Bromelain... Is HCI the same as protein enzymes? Should I be taking it as well as multiple enzymes to help me digest milk yogurt, protein, fat and carbs? > > Thanks for your advice, > > GERDS and chronic C. > SCD 17 mths > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2009 Report Share Posted September 17, 2009 It can get confusing. HCl is a biochemical (acid) that helps break down food, but it is different than enzymes produced by the pancreas and liver. At least I think digestive enzymes are all coming from the pancreas and liver -- hmmm, better check my facts on which glands produce the enzymes.... Anyway, many digestive enzymes include HCl but don't have to. Bromelain is a form of enzyme (found in pineapple) but is a different " animal " chemically speaking than protease, lipase, lactase, cellulase, etc. I'd start off with a good (and legal) digestive enzyme. There are a few listed on www.pecanbread.com. Most of the legals I've seen include some HCl. See if they help. Just start off slowly and cautiously. I have had terrible experiences with digestive enzymes over the past 6 years (immune responses for the most part). If you can find someone who can help you narrow down which enzymes you lack or need to supplement, that will help. We don't always need all of them. Some folks do best with just bromelain and not introducing synthesized enzymes. Some folks do best with just additional HCl. So, trial and error. There's a lot to research and understand about our digestive systems, since other body systems are also connected... Gets complicated. Kim M. SCD 5+ years > > Hi and others who can help, > It was a doctor on the GERDS list that suggested Bromelain... Is HCI the same as protein enzymes? Should I be taking it as well as multiple enzymes to help me digest milk yogurt, protein, fat and carbs? > > Thanks for your advice, > > GERDS and chronic C. > SCD 17 mths > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2009 Report Share Posted September 17, 2009 Thank you so much Kim. I'll go to my health food store and ask for their advice. I have been taking Bromelain for a couple of weeks now. It helps with protein but does nothing for fats and yogurt. Like you say: " trial and error " . I've decided to do a liver cleanse too. I think this is a good place to start. Wish me luck ) Thanks again, > > > > It can get confusing. HCl is a biochemical (acid) that helps break down food, but it is different than enzymes produced by the pancreas and liver. At least I think digestive enzymes are all coming from the pancreas and liver -- hmmm, better check my facts on which glands produce the enzymes.... > > Anyway, many digestive enzymes include HCl but don't have to. Bromelain is a form of enzyme (found in pineapple) but is a different " animal " chemically speaking than protease, lipase, lactase, cellulase, etc. > > I'd start off with a good (and legal) digestive enzyme. There are a few listed on www.pecanbread.com. Most of the legals I've seen include some HCl. See if they help. Just start off slowly and cautiously. I have had terrible experiences with digestive enzymes over the past 6 years (immune responses for the most part). > > If you can find someone who can help you narrow down which enzymes you lack or need to supplement, that will help. We don't always need all of them. Some folks do best with just bromelain and not introducing synthesized enzymes. Some folks do best with just additional HCl. > > So, trial and error. There's a lot to research and understand about our digestive systems, since other body systems are also connected... Gets complicated. > > Kim M. > SCD 5+ years > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2009 Report Share Posted September 17, 2009 , Kim is right. THere are many aspects to consider about digestion. I presume you've had that long test to determine you are deficient in HCl? If not, I don't know how they would know. I am pretty sure the bromelain is primarily for protein. The vegetable based enzymes are (at least the main ones are): protease -- for digesting protein amylase -- for digesting starches lipase -- for digesting fats. My general feeling is that the vegetable based ones are milder on the gut. And possibly not strong enough to handle all problems. But like most other supplements they come in a lot of formulas and a lot of strengths. For the record, the one I use is Mega Polyzyme by Inter Plexus. It has the three enzymes above plus papain and cellulase. The only other ingredient is gelatin. I admit, I haven't written them to ask about anything hidden but I also haven't had any problems so I think this one is " clean " . Thank you so much Kim. I'll go to my health food store and ask for their advice. I have been taking Bromelain for a couple of weeks now. It helps with protein but does nothing for fats and yogurt. Like you say: " trial and error " . I've decided to do a liver cleanse too. I think this is a good place to start. Wish me luck ) Thanks again, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2009 Report Share Posted September 17, 2009 , Kim is right. THere are many aspects to consider about digestion. I presume you've had that long test to determine you are deficient in HCl? If not, I don't know how they would know. I am pretty sure the bromelain is primarily for protein. The vegetable based enzymes are (at least the main ones are): protease -- for digesting protein amylase -- for digesting starches lipase -- for digesting fats. My general feeling is that the vegetable based ones are milder on the gut. And possibly not strong enough to handle all problems. But like most other supplements they come in a lot of formulas and a lot of strengths. For the record, the one I use is Mega Polyzyme by Inter Plexus. It has the three enzymes above plus papain and cellulase. The only other ingredient is gelatin. I admit, I haven't written them to ask about anything hidden but I also haven't had any problems so I think this one is " clean " . Thank you so much Kim. I'll go to my health food store and ask for their advice. I have been taking Bromelain for a couple of weeks now. It helps with protein but does nothing for fats and yogurt. Like you say: " trial and error " . I've decided to do a liver cleanse too. I think this is a good place to start. Wish me luck ) Thanks again, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2009 Report Share Posted September 17, 2009 , Kim is right. THere are many aspects to consider about digestion. I presume you've had that long test to determine you are deficient in HCl? If not, I don't know how they would know. I am pretty sure the bromelain is primarily for protein. The vegetable based enzymes are (at least the main ones are): protease -- for digesting protein amylase -- for digesting starches lipase -- for digesting fats. My general feeling is that the vegetable based ones are milder on the gut. And possibly not strong enough to handle all problems. But like most other supplements they come in a lot of formulas and a lot of strengths. For the record, the one I use is Mega Polyzyme by Inter Plexus. It has the three enzymes above plus papain and cellulase. The only other ingredient is gelatin. I admit, I haven't written them to ask about anything hidden but I also haven't had any problems so I think this one is " clean " . Thank you so much Kim. I'll go to my health food store and ask for their advice. I have been taking Bromelain for a couple of weeks now. It helps with protein but does nothing for fats and yogurt. Like you say: " trial and error " . I've decided to do a liver cleanse too. I think this is a good place to start. Wish me luck ) Thanks again, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 18, 2009 Report Share Posted September 18, 2009 Big thank you and Kim, I will see my doctor for the HCI test. I just did a self-test, taken from the GERDS listers. Apparently, you take a glass of water with half a lemon and 1/4tsp of Celtic sea salt at meal time and when you have heartburn. If this helps, it means you have low HCI. That was my case. I'll start with enzymes for now. I'll try to find Mega PolyZyme. I've read about it and it sounds great. Do you take it on an empty stomach or with meals, or both? All the best, ************** > > > , > Kim is right. THere are many aspects to consider about digestion. I > presume you've had that long test to determine you are deficient in > HCl? If not, I don't know how they would know. I am pretty sure the > bromelain is primarily for protein. The vegetable based enzymes are > (at least the main ones are): > protease -- for digesting protein > amylase -- for digesting starches > lipase -- for digesting fats. > > My general feeling is that the vegetable based ones are milder on the > gut. And possibly not strong enough to handle all problems. > But like most other supplements they come in a lot of formulas and a > lot of strengths. > > For the record, the one I use is Mega Polyzyme by Inter Plexus. It > has the three enzymes above plus papain and cellulase. The only other > ingredient is gelatin. I admit, I haven't written them to ask about > anything hidden but I also haven't had any problems so I think this > one is " clean " . > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 18, 2009 Report Share Posted September 18, 2009 Big thank you and Kim, I will see my doctor for the HCI test. I just did a self-test, taken from the GERDS listers. Apparently, you take a glass of water with half a lemon and 1/4tsp of Celtic sea salt at meal time and when you have heartburn. If this helps, it means you have low HCI. That was my case. I'll start with enzymes for now. I'll try to find Mega PolyZyme. I've read about it and it sounds great. Do you take it on an empty stomach or with meals, or both? All the best, ************** > > > , > Kim is right. THere are many aspects to consider about digestion. I > presume you've had that long test to determine you are deficient in > HCl? If not, I don't know how they would know. I am pretty sure the > bromelain is primarily for protein. The vegetable based enzymes are > (at least the main ones are): > protease -- for digesting protein > amylase -- for digesting starches > lipase -- for digesting fats. > > My general feeling is that the vegetable based ones are milder on the > gut. And possibly not strong enough to handle all problems. > But like most other supplements they come in a lot of formulas and a > lot of strengths. > > For the record, the one I use is Mega Polyzyme by Inter Plexus. It > has the three enzymes above plus papain and cellulase. The only other > ingredient is gelatin. I admit, I haven't written them to ask about > anything hidden but I also haven't had any problems so I think this > one is " clean " . > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 18, 2009 Report Share Posted September 18, 2009 I just take the enzymes with my food. No particular way, that is, I pay not attention to whether it's at the beginning, middle, or end of the meal. I know there are various good enzyme products, and I presume several at least that have no illegal fillers. This just happens to be the one I found. I'll start with enzymes for now. I'll try to find Mega PolyZyme. I've read about it and it sounds great. Do you take it on an empty stomach or with meals, or both? All the best, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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