Re: Re: Not sure this is going well...

[Guest guest]

I'm an expert at getting fat, one of my favorite meals is a whole avocado cut in pieces, smothered in homemade mayonaise and sliced tomatoes with a large amount of sugarfree bacon cooked crisp. Add some salt and pepper to taste and some sliced red onion if he can tolerate it and it's a great calorie heavy salad. If you have real balsamic vinigar some of that is good on top.

There are also stacks of banana pancakes smothered in butter and honey.. Honey butter great, One cup of room temp butter whipped with 1/2 cup of honey and spread that on whatever you want. This diet is loaded with calories for those lucky enough to be able to handle them. Enjoy.

Southern Italians are fatter than northern because they always have the olive oil container on the table, they pour it over their meat, their veggies, what ever they're having, even pizza and there are scd pizza recipes. Pile the cheese on those and top with high quality olive oil.

Ann,

Living in Italy

Undiagnosed Crohn's since 1977 Diagnosed 15 years

Sacroiliitis 25 years

Rheumatoid arthritis 25 years

Pyoderma Gangronosum 2 years

SCD since July, 2008

Meds: None

To: BTVC-SCD Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 12:17:39 AMSubject: Re: Not sure this is going well...

Hey.. Welcome! I didn't get your name.Why don't you post -exactly- what your son is eating and how much?Did he do the intro diet?What is his diagnosis?How old is he? what's his weight?The rest of the reply is within body of email.> My son and husband and I have been on the SCD since Sunday. I have spent almost ALL my time doing nothing but researching, planning, preparing, and cooking SCD legal foods. We have not cheated, although my husband and I have eaten a couple more "advanced" foods, since we don't have any health problems - we're just doing this with our son for moral support. Our other 3 kids have done a mix of SCD and "normal" (gluten free) foods.I am so sorry it is so challenging! ! It sucks. All of us have been there. Your son is really lucky to have parents do all of this for him!! Kudos for the moral support! This is> My son has LOST 6 pounds because we simply cannot find

enough food to keep him full and he started HS football practice this week.. I finally broke down and made him a smoothie with coconut milk (from a can, but no sugar or guar gum), frozen ripe bananas and frozen strawberries just to get some calories in him. And I made some almond flour pancakes for him too because he needs to eat something. He's only eaten chicken soup, chicken, MORE CHICKEN, carrots cooked to mush, eggs, turkey burger patties (2-3 at a time), canned pears, cooked peaches and Welch's grape juice and some natural apple cider. He's starving! He doesn't have D, but still has some B with slightly loose stools.Most of us loose weight in the first couple of weeks on the diet. It is just the way it goes! Don't stress about this. So there are plenty of ways to get calorie rich foods into your sons diet without using illegal canned coconut milk. I understand your rational as you want your son nourished but in actuality you are

nourishing the bad bugs that are keeping your son in the vicious cycle. That is why the SCD should be implemented with fanatical adherence to get him OUT of this horrid vicious cycle.Canned pears are not legal as well.Make sure the turkey patties have no additives in them.Is the juice heavily diluted?Is the cider opaque and not clear?Are you removing the peels and deseeding everything?How are you cooking the soup?Have you guys done the into diet and slowly added foods back in?Down the line you can add bone broth, Ghee, avocado, half and half yogurt (proceed very slowly unless he has a true dairy allergy) There is plenty of nourishment and calorie rich food on the diet!!Don't worry!> I've gone from feeling great, to having D and I'm not the sick one! My husband and I both have headaches and don't feel all that great. I'm used to eating a very healthy diet - gluten, dairy and soy free with lots of

fresh vegetables, fruit and meat and homemade baked items. We normally eat very few processed foods. You guys are also experiencing die off!! You'll pull through this.You guys eating yogurt yet?> Is it normal for healthy people to feel sick when starting the SCD? How can I get more calories into my son? Are we doing something wrong?Yep. Happens many times!!It's a shift in ecology. What you guys are going through is like on the micro level!Hang in there.. you guys are gonna get the hang of it!Keep asking questions!Jodi

[Guest guest]

I'm an expert at getting fat, one of my favorite meals is a whole avocado cut in pieces, smothered in homemade mayonaise and sliced tomatoes with a large amount of sugarfree bacon cooked crisp. Add some salt and pepper to taste and some sliced red onion if he can tolerate it and it's a great calorie heavy salad. If you have real balsamic vinigar some of that is good on top.

There are also stacks of banana pancakes smothered in butter and honey.. Honey butter great, One cup of room temp butter whipped with 1/2 cup of honey and spread that on whatever you want. This diet is loaded with calories for those lucky enough to be able to handle them. Enjoy.

Southern Italians are fatter than northern because they always have the olive oil container on the table, they pour it over their meat, their veggies, what ever they're having, even pizza and there are scd pizza recipes. Pile the cheese on those and top with high quality olive oil.

Ann,

Living in Italy

Undiagnosed Crohn's since 1977 Diagnosed 15 years

Sacroiliitis 25 years

Rheumatoid arthritis 25 years

Pyoderma Gangronosum 2 years

SCD since July, 2008

Meds: None

To: BTVC-SCD Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 12:17:39 AMSubject: Re: Not sure this is going well...

Hey.. Welcome! I didn't get your name.Why don't you post -exactly- what your son is eating and how much?Did he do the intro diet?What is his diagnosis?How old is he? what's his weight?The rest of the reply is within body of email.> My son and husband and I have been on the SCD since Sunday. I have spent almost ALL my time doing nothing but researching, planning, preparing, and cooking SCD legal foods. We have not cheated, although my husband and I have eaten a couple more "advanced" foods, since we don't have any health problems - we're just doing this with our son for moral support. Our other 3 kids have done a mix of SCD and "normal" (gluten free) foods.I am so sorry it is so challenging! ! It sucks. All of us have been there. Your son is really lucky to have parents do all of this for him!! Kudos for the moral support! This is> My son has LOST 6 pounds because we simply cannot find

enough food to keep him full and he started HS football practice this week.. I finally broke down and made him a smoothie with coconut milk (from a can, but no sugar or guar gum), frozen ripe bananas and frozen strawberries just to get some calories in him. And I made some almond flour pancakes for him too because he needs to eat something. He's only eaten chicken soup, chicken, MORE CHICKEN, carrots cooked to mush, eggs, turkey burger patties (2-3 at a time), canned pears, cooked peaches and Welch's grape juice and some natural apple cider. He's starving! He doesn't have D, but still has some B with slightly loose stools.Most of us loose weight in the first couple of weeks on the diet. It is just the way it goes! Don't stress about this. So there are plenty of ways to get calorie rich foods into your sons diet without using illegal canned coconut milk. I understand your rational as you want your son nourished but in actuality you are

nourishing the bad bugs that are keeping your son in the vicious cycle. That is why the SCD should be implemented with fanatical adherence to get him OUT of this horrid vicious cycle.Canned pears are not legal as well.Make sure the turkey patties have no additives in them.Is the juice heavily diluted?Is the cider opaque and not clear?Are you removing the peels and deseeding everything?How are you cooking the soup?Have you guys done the into diet and slowly added foods back in?Down the line you can add bone broth, Ghee, avocado, half and half yogurt (proceed very slowly unless he has a true dairy allergy) There is plenty of nourishment and calorie rich food on the diet!!Don't worry!> I've gone from feeling great, to having D and I'm not the sick one! My husband and I both have headaches and don't feel all that great. I'm used to eating a very healthy diet - gluten, dairy and soy free with lots of

fresh vegetables, fruit and meat and homemade baked items. We normally eat very few processed foods. You guys are also experiencing die off!! You'll pull through this.You guys eating yogurt yet?> Is it normal for healthy people to feel sick when starting the SCD? How can I get more calories into my son? Are we doing something wrong?Yep. Happens many times!!It's a shift in ecology. What you guys are going through is like on the micro level!Hang in there.. you guys are gonna get the hang of it!Keep asking questions!Jodi

[Guest guest]

Are there other things he can snack on?Maybe chicken or tuna salad? Might be more 'snacky' than just a piece of fish or chicken. Pour Dieu, pour terre,Alyssa 15UC April 2008, diagnosed Sept 2008SCD June 2009 (restarted)No meds =)

[Guest guest]

Are there other things he can snack on?Maybe chicken or tuna salad? Might be more 'snacky' than just a piece of fish or chicken. Pour Dieu, pour terre,Alyssa 15UC April 2008, diagnosed Sept 2008SCD June 2009 (restarted)No meds =)

[Guest guest]

Are there other things he can snack on?Maybe chicken or tuna salad? Might be more 'snacky' than just a piece of fish or chicken. Pour Dieu, pour terre,Alyssa 15UC April 2008, diagnosed Sept 2008SCD June 2009 (restarted)No meds =)

[Guest guest]

>

> " Make sure he eats all the time. Constant snacking on

> legal food. "

>

> Maybe I am doing something wrong. According to my research, the

> only things that are legal at this point (we're on day 8) are

> Chicken, fish and steak, eggs, squash or zucchini, applesauce or

> baked apples, pearsauce or baked pears, bananas. I've also thrown

> in a little olive oil, honey, cinnamon and salt. Are there other

> things he can snack on?

cooked spinach, coconut oil, butter - or don't you do dairy?

other oils, cucumber, meatloaf or chicken loaf.

[Guest guest]

>

> " Make sure he eats all the time. Constant snacking on

> legal food. "

>

> Maybe I am doing something wrong. According to my research, the

> only things that are legal at this point (we're on day 8) are

> Chicken, fish and steak, eggs, squash or zucchini, applesauce or

> baked apples, pearsauce or baked pears, bananas. I've also thrown

> in a little olive oil, honey, cinnamon and salt. Are there other

> things he can snack on?

cooked spinach, coconut oil, butter - or don't you do dairy?

other oils, cucumber, meatloaf or chicken loaf.

[Guest guest]

>

> " Make sure he eats all the time. Constant snacking on

> legal food. "

>

> Maybe I am doing something wrong. According to my research, the

> only things that are legal at this point (we're on day 8) are

> Chicken, fish and steak, eggs, squash or zucchini, applesauce or

> baked apples, pearsauce or baked pears, bananas. I've also thrown

> in a little olive oil, honey, cinnamon and salt. Are there other

> things he can snack on?

cooked spinach, coconut oil, butter - or don't you do dairy?

other oils, cucumber, meatloaf or chicken loaf.

[Guest guest]

> Are there other things he can snack on?

>

> " cooked spinach, coconut oil, butter - or don't you do dairy?

> other oils, cucumber, meatloaf or chicken loaf. "

>

>

> I'd faint if my son actually ate spinach. I don't see that spinach

> or cucumbers are okay at this stage?

You know, you don't have to follow that chart to the letter - it's a

guide,

to be helpful, but there is nothing determinate about it.

And since you can't the dairy, you are allowed to

substitute around. For instance I had zippo problems with

mushrooms, although I think that is a bit further on. But I was fine

with them very early on. But then I didn't see the list until I was

on for a few or several weeks.

> No dairy, although a bit of butter would be okay - but on what?

pureed carrots or the pureed spinach (with seasalt, yum!) he won't eat.

or pureed or cooked zucchini and definitely on squash. Or cooked

mushrooms with butter and seasalt - if he tolerates that.

mayonnaise is also okay.

>

> Meatloaf is a possibility - what do people use instead of breadcrumbs?

well almond meal, but that is more advanced.

you could try finely minced porcini mushrooms - if he tolerates

mushrooms.

> I'll puree some carrots to put in along with the egg. No tomatoes

> yet though - no ketchup to go with it. Maybe I'll wait until that's

> okay. THIS IS WHY IT'S SO HARD! He's getting to the point where

> he'd rather just not eat. How do other teenagers do this?

>

> Thanks,

> Liz

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

> Are there other things he can snack on?

>

> " cooked spinach, coconut oil, butter - or don't you do dairy?

> other oils, cucumber, meatloaf or chicken loaf. "

>

>

> I'd faint if my son actually ate spinach. I don't see that spinach

> or cucumbers are okay at this stage?

You know, you don't have to follow that chart to the letter - it's a

guide,

to be helpful, but there is nothing determinate about it.

And since you can't the dairy, you are allowed to

substitute around. For instance I had zippo problems with

mushrooms, although I think that is a bit further on. But I was fine

with them very early on. But then I didn't see the list until I was

on for a few or several weeks.

> No dairy, although a bit of butter would be okay - but on what?

pureed carrots or the pureed spinach (with seasalt, yum!) he won't eat.

or pureed or cooked zucchini and definitely on squash. Or cooked

mushrooms with butter and seasalt - if he tolerates that.

mayonnaise is also okay.

>

> Meatloaf is a possibility - what do people use instead of breadcrumbs?

well almond meal, but that is more advanced.

you could try finely minced porcini mushrooms - if he tolerates

mushrooms.

> I'll puree some carrots to put in along with the egg. No tomatoes

> yet though - no ketchup to go with it. Maybe I'll wait until that's

> okay. THIS IS WHY IT'S SO HARD! He's getting to the point where

> he'd rather just not eat. How do other teenagers do this?

>

> Thanks,

> Liz

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

> Are there other things he can snack on?

>

> " cooked spinach, coconut oil, butter - or don't you do dairy?

> other oils, cucumber, meatloaf or chicken loaf. "

>

>

> I'd faint if my son actually ate spinach. I don't see that spinach

> or cucumbers are okay at this stage?

You know, you don't have to follow that chart to the letter - it's a

guide,

to be helpful, but there is nothing determinate about it.

And since you can't the dairy, you are allowed to

substitute around. For instance I had zippo problems with

mushrooms, although I think that is a bit further on. But I was fine

with them very early on. But then I didn't see the list until I was

on for a few or several weeks.

> No dairy, although a bit of butter would be okay - but on what?

pureed carrots or the pureed spinach (with seasalt, yum!) he won't eat.

or pureed or cooked zucchini and definitely on squash. Or cooked

mushrooms with butter and seasalt - if he tolerates that.

mayonnaise is also okay.

>

> Meatloaf is a possibility - what do people use instead of breadcrumbs?

well almond meal, but that is more advanced.

you could try finely minced porcini mushrooms - if he tolerates

mushrooms.

> I'll puree some carrots to put in along with the egg. No tomatoes

> yet though - no ketchup to go with it. Maybe I'll wait until that's

> okay. THIS IS WHY IT'S SO HARD! He's getting to the point where

> he'd rather just not eat. How do other teenagers do this?

>

> Thanks,

> Liz

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

At 04:28 PM 8/24/2009, you wrote:

Meatloaf is a possibility - what

do people use instead of breadcrumbs?

Pureed zucchini, eggs, spices, squoosh into the meat. Bake.

—

Marilyn

New

Orleans, Louisiana, USA

Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

Darn Good SCD Cook

No Human Children

Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

[Guest guest]

> Jodi,

>

>

>

> " You can make tomato sauce and freeze it! "

>

> I've actually already done this and used to do it regularly. I just

> need to find some affordable tomatoes so I can make some more

> spaghetti sauce and ketchup.

>

>

> " Write the company get them to reveal %100 the ingredients on a

> company letterhead (as on the phone or via email they sometimes make

> false claims) and use that! Until then.. Make your own! "

>

> Is there a website where people have shared which companies have

> sent letters so we don't reinvent the wheel?

>

>

> " Great. Just avoid all baby carrots! "

>

> Why? I haven't had them for a couple of weeks, because we bought

> the big bag of regular carrots, but I usually buy them for lunches -

> what's wrong with them?

A lot of times they look like " baby " carrots, but they are called

something else

and what they are is the core of bigger, starchy carrots cut down to

look like

small carrots.

I checked in WFs and Trader Joes recently, and they didn't even say

baby carrots on the packages, they used a euphemism that made you

think they

were baby carrots.

Mara

[Guest guest]

I make meatloaf all the time. The breadcrumbs are largely a meat extender, they aren't necessary for it to taste like meatloaf, that burden is on the spices and tomato sauce or ketchup. An egg or two will bind it all together. Meatloaves are a good place to put veggies they won't eat otherwise (even for a teenager <grin>).

SCD requires a rethinking about what a snack can be, what a meal can be, what constitutes a treat and so on. It was hard for me at first to figure out how to make a variety of things from very little. It really exercises your critical thinking and problem solving skills. yay, I know.

It is all about quantity, quantity, quantity when it comes to feeling full in the beginning. That and the determination to become well while you are eating things that are less than exciting.

I put my energy into figuring out the maximum number of ways I could make out of each thing. Carrots, for example...carrot pancakes, nut free carrot muffins, roasted herb carrots, boiled carrots in a ginger honey sauce..you get the idea. My kids don't seem to notice they are only eating three vegetables and five fruits because they are served in about 20 different ways. My husband notices but now he doesn't mind b/c I have several recipes that he likes enough to eat them once or twice a week.

Take care,

Chrissy

mama to 3 boys on SCD 3 months

Subject: Re: Not sure this is going well...To: BTVC-SCD Date: Monday, August 24, 2009, 5:28 PM

Are there other things he can snack on?"cooked spinach, coconut oil, butter - or don't you do dairy?other oils, cucumber, meatloaf or chicken loaf."I'd faint if my son actually ate spinach. I don't see that spinach or cucumbers are okay at this stage? No dairy, although a bit of butter would be okay - but on what?Meatloaf is a possibility - what do people use instead of breadcrumbs? I'll puree some carrots to put in along with the egg. No tomatoes yet though - no ketchup to go with it. Maybe I'll wait until that's okay. THIS IS WHY IT'S SO HARD! He's getting to the point where he'd rather just not eat. How do other teenagers do this?Thanks,Liz

[Guest guest]

I make meatloaf all the time. The breadcrumbs are largely a meat extender, they aren't necessary for it to taste like meatloaf, that burden is on the spices and tomato sauce or ketchup. An egg or two will bind it all together. Meatloaves are a good place to put veggies they won't eat otherwise (even for a teenager <grin>).

SCD requires a rethinking about what a snack can be, what a meal can be, what constitutes a treat and so on. It was hard for me at first to figure out how to make a variety of things from very little. It really exercises your critical thinking and problem solving skills. yay, I know.

It is all about quantity, quantity, quantity when it comes to feeling full in the beginning. That and the determination to become well while you are eating things that are less than exciting.

I put my energy into figuring out the maximum number of ways I could make out of each thing. Carrots, for example...carrot pancakes, nut free carrot muffins, roasted herb carrots, boiled carrots in a ginger honey sauce..you get the idea. My kids don't seem to notice they are only eating three vegetables and five fruits because they are served in about 20 different ways. My husband notices but now he doesn't mind b/c I have several recipes that he likes enough to eat them once or twice a week.

Take care,

Chrissy

mama to 3 boys on SCD 3 months

Subject: Re: Not sure this is going well...To: BTVC-SCD Date: Monday, August 24, 2009, 5:28 PM

Are there other things he can snack on?"cooked spinach, coconut oil, butter - or don't you do dairy?other oils, cucumber, meatloaf or chicken loaf."I'd faint if my son actually ate spinach. I don't see that spinach or cucumbers are okay at this stage? No dairy, although a bit of butter would be okay - but on what?Meatloaf is a possibility - what do people use instead of breadcrumbs? I'll puree some carrots to put in along with the egg. No tomatoes yet though - no ketchup to go with it. Maybe I'll wait until that's okay. THIS IS WHY IT'S SO HARD! He's getting to the point where he'd rather just not eat. How do other teenagers do this?Thanks,Liz

[Guest guest]

THIS IS WHY IT'S SO HARD! He's getting to the point where he'd rather just not eat. How do other teenagers do this?Well, I've never really been allowed to be a picky eater so it may be harder for your son if he is, but I sort of just deal with it. I mean, sometimes I'll get really frustrated and upset, but then I step back and look at what I'm getting upset about: food. And just the TASTE of food, really. COnvenience I guess too. But still, I figure life shouldn't be all about food, to where life isn't good anymore because of your diet. Other things should matter more. So I just suck it up and hope I'll be able to eat more things soon. Pour Dieu, pour terre,Alyssa 15UC April 2008, diagnosed Sept 2008SCD June 2009 (restarted)No meds =)

[Guest guest]

carrot pancakes, nut free carrot muffins, roasted herb carrots, boiled carrots in a ginger honey sauce.These all sound really good. Do you think you could post how you make them? I'm always looking for more ways to eat my few food items! Pour Dieu, pour terre,Alyssa 15UC April 2008, diagnosed Sept 2008SCD June 2009 (restarted)No meds =)

[Guest guest]

carrot pancakes, nut free carrot muffins, roasted herb carrots, boiled carrots in a ginger honey sauce.These all sound really good. Do you think you could post how you make them? I'm always looking for more ways to eat my few food items! Pour Dieu, pour terre,Alyssa 15UC April 2008, diagnosed Sept 2008SCD June 2009 (restarted)No meds =)

[Guest guest]

Are you making the banana and egg and vanilla pancakes?

Just mash up a banana and an egg and a few drips of

vanilla.

Fried in butter or coconut oil. And a little honey dribbled

on them.

Mara

> I haven't made these in ages (I used squash too)

> Need to find the recipe.

>

> Jodi

>

>

>>

>> " Pumpkin brownies. "

>>

>> Hold on! How do you make pumpkin brownies?

[Guest guest]

Are you making the banana and egg and vanilla pancakes?

Just mash up a banana and an egg and a few drips of

vanilla.

Fried in butter or coconut oil. And a little honey dribbled

on them.

Mara

> I haven't made these in ages (I used squash too)

> Need to find the recipe.

>

> Jodi

>

>

>>

>> " Pumpkin brownies. "

>>

>> Hold on! How do you make pumpkin brownies?

[Guest guest]

"You can make tomato sauce and freeze it!"I've actually already done this and used to do it regularly. I just need to find some affordable tomatoes so I can make some more spaghetti sauce and ketchup.For ketchup, you can just boil down the legal tomato juiceuntil it is a thick consistency. And tomato juice is on thebeginning diet, too. And the rest of the recipe is in BTVC.Ketchup from BTVC:2 cups tomato juice1-3 tablespoons white vinegarhoney and/or saccharin to tastebtaa leaf (optional)salt and pepper to tasteMix all ingredients except sweetener and simmer on stove untilthick, stirring often to prevent sticking.When almost the desired thickness, add sweetener to taste andcomplete cooking.Ladle into sterilized jars and seal immediately OR place in smallcontainers and freeze.Heh, that search function for the downloaded book really is useful. Mara

[Guest guest]

"You can make tomato sauce and freeze it!"I've actually already done this and used to do it regularly. I just need to find some affordable tomatoes so I can make some more spaghetti sauce and ketchup.For ketchup, you can just boil down the legal tomato juiceuntil it is a thick consistency. And tomato juice is on thebeginning diet, too. And the rest of the recipe is in BTVC.Ketchup from BTVC:2 cups tomato juice1-3 tablespoons white vinegarhoney and/or saccharin to tastebtaa leaf (optional)salt and pepper to tasteMix all ingredients except sweetener and simmer on stove untilthick, stirring often to prevent sticking.When almost the desired thickness, add sweetener to taste andcomplete cooking.Ladle into sterilized jars and seal immediately OR place in smallcontainers and freeze.Heh, that search function for the downloaded book really is useful. Mara

[Guest guest]

"You can make tomato sauce and freeze it!"I've actually already done this and used to do it regularly. I just need to find some affordable tomatoes so I can make some more spaghetti sauce and ketchup.For ketchup, you can just boil down the legal tomato juiceuntil it is a thick consistency. And tomato juice is on thebeginning diet, too. And the rest of the recipe is in BTVC.Ketchup from BTVC:2 cups tomato juice1-3 tablespoons white vinegarhoney and/or saccharin to tastebtaa leaf (optional)salt and pepper to tasteMix all ingredients except sweetener and simmer on stove untilthick, stirring often to prevent sticking.When almost the desired thickness, add sweetener to taste andcomplete cooking.Ladle into sterilized jars and seal immediately OR place in smallcontainers and freeze.Heh, that search function for the downloaded book really is useful. Mara

[Guest guest]

I put my energy into figuring out the maximum number of ways I could make out of each thing. Carrots, for example...carrot pancakes, nut free carrot muffins, roasted herb carrots, boiled carrots in a ginger honey sauce.I roast veggies - particularly carrots and zucchini and also sometimesapples in the pan along with whole chickens (last week I did halfa peach that was just sitting around - and yum). I drizzle on some coconutoil and the veggies and fruit absorb some of the flavor from the chickenand it comes out really good that way. Salt and pepper, some herbs. Carrot pancakes sound good. Mara

[Guest guest]

I put my energy into figuring out the maximum number of ways I could make out of each thing. Carrots, for example...carrot pancakes, nut free carrot muffins, roasted herb carrots, boiled carrots in a ginger honey sauce.I roast veggies - particularly carrots and zucchini and also sometimesapples in the pan along with whole chickens (last week I did halfa peach that was just sitting around - and yum). I drizzle on some coconutoil and the veggies and fruit absorb some of the flavor from the chickenand it comes out really good that way. Salt and pepper, some herbs. Carrot pancakes sound good. Mara