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This same method can be used for soaking beans, which, especially due to their

starchy nature, are natural bacteria and yeast breeders. Adding a little vinegar

can have the same effect.

I soak my nuts, as they are better tolerated by my family this way, and to

increase the nutritional absorption of the minerals by removing the phytates.

While BTVC does not recommend soaking nuts, it does recommend soaking beans, and

the logic of mold, bacteria and yeast growth in soaking nut water is only

magnified in bean soaking water. So, from one SCDer to another, I personally

encourage people who have problems digesting nuts without a nut allergy, to soak

their nuts, and treat nut and bean water with sea salt or vinegar as a

precaution.

As I recall, when this issue was brought up before, there was no resolution,

other than soaking of nuts was not necessary, according to SCD guidelines. If

you find it necessary, sea salt will absolve any potential mold problems.

Honestly, beans are the biggest worry for me...Treat that soaking water! lol;)

Summer

Debora Holt dholt@...> wrote:

> >

> Elaine said not to soak nuts as it fosters the growth of mold and

> bacteria.

However, those that swear by soaking suggest using salt water to soak

in; the salt would make the water bacteriostatic, therefore preventing

mold and bacteria from forming. I don't know if Elaine would have agreed

with this method or not.

Debora

For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book

_Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following

websites:

http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info

and

http://www.pecanbread.com

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This same method can be used for soaking beans, which, especially due to their

starchy nature, are natural bacteria and yeast breeders. Adding a little vinegar

can have the same effect.

I soak my nuts, as they are better tolerated by my family this way, and to

increase the nutritional absorption of the minerals by removing the phytates.

While BTVC does not recommend soaking nuts, it does recommend soaking beans, and

the logic of mold, bacteria and yeast growth in soaking nut water is only

magnified in bean soaking water. So, from one SCDer to another, I personally

encourage people who have problems digesting nuts without a nut allergy, to soak

their nuts, and treat nut and bean water with sea salt or vinegar as a

precaution.

As I recall, when this issue was brought up before, there was no resolution,

other than soaking of nuts was not necessary, according to SCD guidelines. If

you find it necessary, sea salt will absolve any potential mold problems.

Honestly, beans are the biggest worry for me...Treat that soaking water! lol;)

Summer

Debora Holt dholt@...> wrote:

> >

> Elaine said not to soak nuts as it fosters the growth of mold and

> bacteria.

However, those that swear by soaking suggest using salt water to soak

in; the salt would make the water bacteriostatic, therefore preventing

mold and bacteria from forming. I don't know if Elaine would have agreed

with this method or not.

Debora

For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book

_Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following

websites:

http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info

and

http://www.pecanbread.com

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This same method can be used for soaking beans, which, especially due to their

starchy nature, are natural bacteria and yeast breeders. Adding a little vinegar

can have the same effect.

I soak my nuts, as they are better tolerated by my family this way, and to

increase the nutritional absorption of the minerals by removing the phytates.

While BTVC does not recommend soaking nuts, it does recommend soaking beans, and

the logic of mold, bacteria and yeast growth in soaking nut water is only

magnified in bean soaking water. So, from one SCDer to another, I personally

encourage people who have problems digesting nuts without a nut allergy, to soak

their nuts, and treat nut and bean water with sea salt or vinegar as a

precaution.

As I recall, when this issue was brought up before, there was no resolution,

other than soaking of nuts was not necessary, according to SCD guidelines. If

you find it necessary, sea salt will absolve any potential mold problems.

Honestly, beans are the biggest worry for me...Treat that soaking water! lol;)

Summer

Debora Holt dholt@...> wrote:

> >

> Elaine said not to soak nuts as it fosters the growth of mold and

> bacteria.

However, those that swear by soaking suggest using salt water to soak

in; the salt would make the water bacteriostatic, therefore preventing

mold and bacteria from forming. I don't know if Elaine would have agreed

with this method or not.

Debora

For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book

_Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following

websites:

http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info

and

http://www.pecanbread.com

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>

> > >

> > Elaine said not to soak nuts as it fosters the growth of mold and

> > bacteria.

>

> However, those that swear by soaking suggest using salt water to soak

> in; the salt would make the water bacteriostatic, therefore preventing

> mold and bacteria from forming. I don't know if Elaine would have agreed

> with this method or not.

>

> Debora

>

Since we don't know I would personally not do this. I don't think we should

suggest things

that Elaine opposed without more scientific proof.

Carol F.

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>

> > >

> > Elaine said not to soak nuts as it fosters the growth of mold and

> > bacteria.

>

> However, those that swear by soaking suggest using salt water to soak

> in; the salt would make the water bacteriostatic, therefore preventing

> mold and bacteria from forming. I don't know if Elaine would have agreed

> with this method or not.

>

> Debora

>

Since we don't know I would personally not do this. I don't think we should

suggest things

that Elaine opposed without more scientific proof.

Carol F.

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>

> > >

> > Elaine said not to soak nuts as it fosters the growth of mold and

> > bacteria.

>

> However, those that swear by soaking suggest using salt water to soak

> in; the salt would make the water bacteriostatic, therefore preventing

> mold and bacteria from forming. I don't know if Elaine would have agreed

> with this method or not.

>

> Debora

>

Since we don't know I would personally not do this. I don't think we should

suggest things

that Elaine opposed without more scientific proof.

Carol F.

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I soak mine before using them. Sometimes I dehydrate them as well because both

help with digestion but I don't do the dehydrating as often as I should (I don't

go above 115). As for flour? It's really easy to do on your own. I've made a

bean flour out of cooked and dehydrated black beans and it worked perfectly. A

high speed blender (like blendtec) does a great job with processing into flour.

I don't really know about buying it pre-made though.

Stacey

>

> I know that we are supposed to soak beans before cooking them and I'm

wondering if anyone soaks nuts before using them too. I started doing this

several years ago, after reading " Nourishing Traditions " , but got out of the

habit.

>

> Now that I'm grinding my own pecan butter, I started soaking the pecans for

about 8 hours in slightly salted water, draining them well and then drying them

in my oven. I set it for 170 (should only be 150, but mine won't go that low)

for a couple of hours and then turn it off with the light on overnight.

>

> This is supposed to deactivate the enzyme inhibitors found in the nuts, but

retain their nutritional value.

>

> Does anyone else do this? Does anyone know if it's possible to buy flour made

from soaked and dried nuts?

>

> Thanks,

> Liz

>

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I soak mine before using them. Sometimes I dehydrate them as well because both

help with digestion but I don't do the dehydrating as often as I should (I don't

go above 115). As for flour? It's really easy to do on your own. I've made a

bean flour out of cooked and dehydrated black beans and it worked perfectly. A

high speed blender (like blendtec) does a great job with processing into flour.

I don't really know about buying it pre-made though.

Stacey

>

> I know that we are supposed to soak beans before cooking them and I'm

wondering if anyone soaks nuts before using them too. I started doing this

several years ago, after reading " Nourishing Traditions " , but got out of the

habit.

>

> Now that I'm grinding my own pecan butter, I started soaking the pecans for

about 8 hours in slightly salted water, draining them well and then drying them

in my oven. I set it for 170 (should only be 150, but mine won't go that low)

for a couple of hours and then turn it off with the light on overnight.

>

> This is supposed to deactivate the enzyme inhibitors found in the nuts, but

retain their nutritional value.

>

> Does anyone else do this? Does anyone know if it's possible to buy flour made

from soaked and dried nuts?

>

> Thanks,

> Liz

>

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I soak mine before using them. Sometimes I dehydrate them as well because both

help with digestion but I don't do the dehydrating as often as I should (I don't

go above 115). As for flour? It's really easy to do on your own. I've made a

bean flour out of cooked and dehydrated black beans and it worked perfectly. A

high speed blender (like blendtec) does a great job with processing into flour.

I don't really know about buying it pre-made though.

Stacey

>

> I know that we are supposed to soak beans before cooking them and I'm

wondering if anyone soaks nuts before using them too. I started doing this

several years ago, after reading " Nourishing Traditions " , but got out of the

habit.

>

> Now that I'm grinding my own pecan butter, I started soaking the pecans for

about 8 hours in slightly salted water, draining them well and then drying them

in my oven. I set it for 170 (should only be 150, but mine won't go that low)

for a couple of hours and then turn it off with the light on overnight.

>

> This is supposed to deactivate the enzyme inhibitors found in the nuts, but

retain their nutritional value.

>

> Does anyone else do this? Does anyone know if it's possible to buy flour made

from soaked and dried nuts?

>

> Thanks,

> Liz

>

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At 09:26 PM 9/5/2009, you wrote:

Does anyone else do this? Does

anyone know if it's possible to buy flour made from soaked and dried

nuts?

To the best of my knowledge, none of the nut flour people have

Weston-Price style nut flour.

Just a reminder to folks -- especially newcomers -- that Elaine

Gottschall was not fond of nut-soaking. Her primary concern was the

development of mold or mildew on the nuts if they did not dry properly.

She also noted that " Don't you have enough other food preparation to

do without adding yet another step? "

I have the greatest respect for both the Weston-Price Foundation and

Elaine Gottschall.

If nut-soaking works for you, I see no reason why you shouldn't continue

doing it. But unless there's a problem with nuts, I don't see any point

in going through all those gyrations. If I had to soak all the nuts I

use, I'd never get any baking done -- I don't have the room in my kitchen

or dining room, and I sure as heck don't have the time.

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Marilyn

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Orleans, Louisiana, USA

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At 09:26 PM 9/5/2009, you wrote:

Does anyone else do this? Does

anyone know if it's possible to buy flour made from soaked and dried

nuts?

To the best of my knowledge, none of the nut flour people have

Weston-Price style nut flour.

Just a reminder to folks -- especially newcomers -- that Elaine

Gottschall was not fond of nut-soaking. Her primary concern was the

development of mold or mildew on the nuts if they did not dry properly.

She also noted that " Don't you have enough other food preparation to

do without adding yet another step? "

I have the greatest respect for both the Weston-Price Foundation and

Elaine Gottschall.

If nut-soaking works for you, I see no reason why you shouldn't continue

doing it. But unless there's a problem with nuts, I don't see any point

in going through all those gyrations. If I had to soak all the nuts I

use, I'd never get any baking done -- I don't have the room in my kitchen

or dining room, and I sure as heck don't have the time.

—

Marilyn

New

Orleans, Louisiana, USA

Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

Darn Good SCD Cook

No Human Children

Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

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At 09:26 PM 9/5/2009, you wrote:

Does anyone else do this? Does

anyone know if it's possible to buy flour made from soaked and dried

nuts?

To the best of my knowledge, none of the nut flour people have

Weston-Price style nut flour.

Just a reminder to folks -- especially newcomers -- that Elaine

Gottschall was not fond of nut-soaking. Her primary concern was the

development of mold or mildew on the nuts if they did not dry properly.

She also noted that " Don't you have enough other food preparation to

do without adding yet another step? "

I have the greatest respect for both the Weston-Price Foundation and

Elaine Gottschall.

If nut-soaking works for you, I see no reason why you shouldn't continue

doing it. But unless there's a problem with nuts, I don't see any point

in going through all those gyrations. If I had to soak all the nuts I

use, I'd never get any baking done -- I don't have the room in my kitchen

or dining room, and I sure as heck don't have the time.

—

Marilyn

New

Orleans, Louisiana, USA

Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

Darn Good SCD Cook

No Human Children

Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

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At 03:28 AM 9/6/2009, you wrote:

I don't really know about buying

it pre-made though.

There are some supposedly soaked bean flours available, but there have

been issues with these in the past -- many people had problems with them

because they weren't prepared SCD style. SO no commercial bean flours are

legal.

I suspect the same would be true of nut flours.

—

Marilyn

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Orleans, Louisiana, USA

Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

Darn Good SCD Cook

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At 03:28 AM 9/6/2009, you wrote:

I don't really know about buying

it pre-made though.

There are some supposedly soaked bean flours available, but there have

been issues with these in the past -- many people had problems with them

because they weren't prepared SCD style. SO no commercial bean flours are

legal.

I suspect the same would be true of nut flours.

—

Marilyn

New

Orleans, Louisiana, USA

Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

Darn Good SCD Cook

No Human Children

Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

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At 03:28 AM 9/6/2009, you wrote:

I don't really know about buying

it pre-made though.

There are some supposedly soaked bean flours available, but there have

been issues with these in the past -- many people had problems with them

because they weren't prepared SCD style. SO no commercial bean flours are

legal.

I suspect the same would be true of nut flours.

—

Marilyn

New

Orleans, Louisiana, USA

Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

Darn Good SCD Cook

No Human Children

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The cooking takes care of the enzyme inhibitors, just as it de-activates the

enzymes.

The reason for soaking nuts is to rid them of most of the inhibitors while

keeping the enzymes active.

Ann

>

> I know that we are supposed to soak beans before cooking them and I'm

wondering if anyone soaks nuts before using them too. I started doing this

several years ago, after reading " Nourishing Traditions " , but got out of the

habit.

>

> Now that I'm grinding my own pecan butter, I started soaking the pecans for

about 8 hours in slightly salted water, draining them well and then drying them

in my oven. I set it for 170 (should only be 150, but mine won't go that low)

for a couple of hours and then turn it off with the light on overnight.

>

> This is supposed to deactivate the enzyme inhibitors found in the nuts, but

retain their nutritional value.

>

> Does anyone else do this? Does anyone know if it's possible to buy flour made

from soaked and dried nuts?

>

> Thanks,

> Liz

>

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The cooking takes care of the enzyme inhibitors, just as it de-activates the

enzymes.

The reason for soaking nuts is to rid them of most of the inhibitors while

keeping the enzymes active.

Ann

>

> I know that we are supposed to soak beans before cooking them and I'm

wondering if anyone soaks nuts before using them too. I started doing this

several years ago, after reading " Nourishing Traditions " , but got out of the

habit.

>

> Now that I'm grinding my own pecan butter, I started soaking the pecans for

about 8 hours in slightly salted water, draining them well and then drying them

in my oven. I set it for 170 (should only be 150, but mine won't go that low)

for a couple of hours and then turn it off with the light on overnight.

>

> This is supposed to deactivate the enzyme inhibitors found in the nuts, but

retain their nutritional value.

>

> Does anyone else do this? Does anyone know if it's possible to buy flour made

from soaked and dried nuts?

>

> Thanks,

> Liz

>

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Those of us with the inability to produce sufficient enzymes to digest and

metabolize anything we eat if it does not have its own enzymes active must soak

nuts and seeds in order to deactivate the enzyme inhibitors. And then we cannot

heat the nuts above 118 degrees or we deactivate the enzymes as well.

Just a note from the damaged pancreas side of the issue. ;-)

Ann

> >Does anyone else do this? Does anyone know if

> >it's possible to buy flour made from soaked and dried nuts?

>

> To the best of my knowledge, none of the nut

> flour people have Weston-Price style nut flour.

>

> Just a reminder to folks -- especially newcomers

> -- that Elaine Gottschall was not fond of

> nut-soaking. Her primary concern was the

> development of mold or mildew on the nuts if they

> did not dry properly. She also noted that " Don't

> you have enough other food preparation to do without adding yet another step? "

>

> I have the greatest respect for both the

> Weston-Price Foundation and Elaine Gottschall.

>

> If nut-soaking works for you, I see no reason why

> you shouldn't continue doing it. But unless

> there's a problem with nuts, I don't see any

> point in going through all those gyrations. If I

> had to soak all the nuts I use, I'd never get any

> baking done -- I don't have the room in my

> kitchen or dining room, and I sure as heck don't have the time.

>

>

> — Marilyn

> New Orleans, Louisiana, USA

> Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

> Darn Good SCD Cook

> No Human Children

> Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

>

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Those of us with the inability to produce sufficient enzymes to digest and

metabolize anything we eat if it does not have its own enzymes active must soak

nuts and seeds in order to deactivate the enzyme inhibitors. And then we cannot

heat the nuts above 118 degrees or we deactivate the enzymes as well.

Just a note from the damaged pancreas side of the issue. ;-)

Ann

> >Does anyone else do this? Does anyone know if

> >it's possible to buy flour made from soaked and dried nuts?

>

> To the best of my knowledge, none of the nut

> flour people have Weston-Price style nut flour.

>

> Just a reminder to folks -- especially newcomers

> -- that Elaine Gottschall was not fond of

> nut-soaking. Her primary concern was the

> development of mold or mildew on the nuts if they

> did not dry properly. She also noted that " Don't

> you have enough other food preparation to do without adding yet another step? "

>

> I have the greatest respect for both the

> Weston-Price Foundation and Elaine Gottschall.

>

> If nut-soaking works for you, I see no reason why

> you shouldn't continue doing it. But unless

> there's a problem with nuts, I don't see any

> point in going through all those gyrations. If I

> had to soak all the nuts I use, I'd never get any

> baking done -- I don't have the room in my

> kitchen or dining room, and I sure as heck don't have the time.

>

>

> — Marilyn

> New Orleans, Louisiana, USA

> Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

> Darn Good SCD Cook

> No Human Children

> Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

>

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At 09:31 AM 9/6/2009, you wrote:

Those of us with the inability

to produce sufficient enzymes to digest and metabolize anything we eat if

it does not have its own enzymes active must soak nuts and seeds in order

to deactivate the enzyme inhibitors. And then we cannot heat the nuts

above 118 degrees or we deactivate the enzymes as well.

Just a note from the damaged pancreas side of the

issue.

Yes, I do understand that this is what is supposed to happen.

I came to SCD after gallbladder surgery, and with liver enzymes so high

the surgeon later told me he expected to find end-stage liver or

pancreatic cancer.

I followed SCD exactly as written in BTVC, and it saved my life.

I am not saying that there are not tweaks and twists that people may need

to make for their unique conditions. I just want to make sure that people

are aware that the SC Diet, as written, works for many, many

people.

I also want people who may already be feeling overwhelmed by the

necessity of " make your own, make your own, make your own, " to

understand that some of the things discussed here may be useful tips, but

they are not required in order to follow SCD.

—

Marilyn

New

Orleans, Louisiana, USA

Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

Darn Good SCD Cook

No Human Children

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At 09:31 AM 9/6/2009, you wrote:

Those of us with the inability

to produce sufficient enzymes to digest and metabolize anything we eat if

it does not have its own enzymes active must soak nuts and seeds in order

to deactivate the enzyme inhibitors. And then we cannot heat the nuts

above 118 degrees or we deactivate the enzymes as well.

Just a note from the damaged pancreas side of the

issue.

Yes, I do understand that this is what is supposed to happen.

I came to SCD after gallbladder surgery, and with liver enzymes so high

the surgeon later told me he expected to find end-stage liver or

pancreatic cancer.

I followed SCD exactly as written in BTVC, and it saved my life.

I am not saying that there are not tweaks and twists that people may need

to make for their unique conditions. I just want to make sure that people

are aware that the SC Diet, as written, works for many, many

people.

I also want people who may already be feeling overwhelmed by the

necessity of " make your own, make your own, make your own, " to

understand that some of the things discussed here may be useful tips, but

they are not required in order to follow SCD.

—

Marilyn

New

Orleans, Louisiana, USA

Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

Darn Good SCD Cook

No Human Children

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At 09:31 AM 9/6/2009, you wrote:

Those of us with the inability

to produce sufficient enzymes to digest and metabolize anything we eat if

it does not have its own enzymes active must soak nuts and seeds in order

to deactivate the enzyme inhibitors. And then we cannot heat the nuts

above 118 degrees or we deactivate the enzymes as well.

Just a note from the damaged pancreas side of the

issue.

Yes, I do understand that this is what is supposed to happen.

I came to SCD after gallbladder surgery, and with liver enzymes so high

the surgeon later told me he expected to find end-stage liver or

pancreatic cancer.

I followed SCD exactly as written in BTVC, and it saved my life.

I am not saying that there are not tweaks and twists that people may need

to make for their unique conditions. I just want to make sure that people

are aware that the SC Diet, as written, works for many, many

people.

I also want people who may already be feeling overwhelmed by the

necessity of " make your own, make your own, make your own, " to

understand that some of the things discussed here may be useful tips, but

they are not required in order to follow SCD.

—

Marilyn

New

Orleans, Louisiana, USA

Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

Darn Good SCD Cook

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A friend recommended soaking cashews overnight to add much-needed

protein to my son's smoothies that he drinks throughout the day -- I

make one blender-full in the morning, he takes some to school in a

plastic bottle cooled by ice packs in a lunch box, drinks some later

when he gets home, from the refrigerator -- all from the batch I would

make in the morning with cashews that were soaked overnight. My friend

says the cashews are easier to blend-up if they've been soaked. I also

wondered about soaking extra cashews, pouring out the water, and

keeping the soaked cashews in the refrigerator for smoothies on

subsequent days.

Now I'm wondering

1. How quickly would the nuts could get moldy if I did this?

2. Will they be OK sitting in a smoothie all day?

3. I understand that soaking isn't usually necessary for SCD, but is

there a magic number of hours nuts need to soak to give full benefit as

per Weston-Price?

Thanks in advance for any advice!

Cathy

15 yo son w. UC

SCD 2007

On Sunday, September 6, 2009, at 08:09 AM, Wizop Marilyn L. Alm wrote:

>

> Just a reminder to folks -- especially newcomers -- that Elaine

> Gottschall was not fond of nut-soaking. Her primary concern was the

> development of mold or mildew on the nuts if they did not dry

> properly. She also noted that " Don't you have enough other food

> preparation to do without adding yet another step? "

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2. Will they be OK sitting in a

smoothie all day?

Yes, they will.

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At 11:28 AM 9/6/2009, you wrote:

2. Will they be OK sitting in a

smoothie all day?

Yes, they will.

—

Marilyn

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Orleans, Louisiana, USA

Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

Darn Good SCD Cook

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