Re: Soaking nuts

[Guest guest]

At 11:28 AM 9/6/2009, you wrote:

2. Will they be OK sitting in a

smoothie all day?

Yes, they will.

—

Marilyn

New

Orleans, Louisiana, USA

Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

Darn Good SCD Cook

No Human Children

Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

[Guest guest]

Since cashews are actually fruits, there might be special considerations for

them -- and those who have gut problems that are related to mold rather than to

rotting food in their intestines should be aware of the different demands on

different systems, just as Marilyn warns.

Ann

> >

> > Just a reminder to folks -- especially newcomers -- that Elaine

> > Gottschall was not fond of nut-soaking. Her primary concern was the

> > development of mold or mildew on the nuts if they did not dry

> > properly. She also noted that " Don't you have enough other food

> > preparation to do without adding yet another step? "

>

[Guest guest]

> Just a reminder to folks -- especially newcomers

> -- that Elaine Gottschall was not fond of

> nut-soaking. Her primary concern was the

> development of mold or mildew on the nuts if they

> did not dry properly. She also noted that " Don't

> you have enough other food preparation to do without adding yet another step? "

>

> I have the greatest respect for both the

> Weston-Price Foundation and Elaine Gottschall.

>

> If nut-soaking works for you, I see no reason why

> you shouldn't continue doing it. But unless

> there's a problem with nuts, I don't see any

> point in going through all those gyrations. If I

> had to soak all the nuts I use, I'd never get any

> baking done -- I don't have the room in my

> kitchen or dining room, and I sure as heck don't have the time.

Wow, I didn't know this would make anyone angry. I have 4 kids and an almost

full time job. The nut soaking takes next to no time at all compared to all the

cooking and everything else I have to do. I don't worry about mold, since I put

them right into the oven after taking them out of the water - no mold is going

to grow at 125-150 degrees.

I was having horrible stomach aches and D when we started adding baked items

made with homemade pecan butter. (Reminder, I'm not the one who has any type of

problem, I just doing this with my son.) When I made the same muffins with the

soaked nuts, I got no stomach ache and no D. I suspect that lots of other

people might have this problem too. It's a simple step and seems to me to be

just as important as soaking beans. Sorry to have brought it up though.

Liz

[Guest guest]

> Just a reminder to folks -- especially newcomers

> -- that Elaine Gottschall was not fond of

> nut-soaking. Her primary concern was the

> development of mold or mildew on the nuts if they

> did not dry properly. She also noted that " Don't

> you have enough other food preparation to do without adding yet another step? "

>

> I have the greatest respect for both the

> Weston-Price Foundation and Elaine Gottschall.

>

> If nut-soaking works for you, I see no reason why

> you shouldn't continue doing it. But unless

> there's a problem with nuts, I don't see any

> point in going through all those gyrations. If I

> had to soak all the nuts I use, I'd never get any

> baking done -- I don't have the room in my

> kitchen or dining room, and I sure as heck don't have the time.

Wow, I didn't know this would make anyone angry. I have 4 kids and an almost

full time job. The nut soaking takes next to no time at all compared to all the

cooking and everything else I have to do. I don't worry about mold, since I put

them right into the oven after taking them out of the water - no mold is going

to grow at 125-150 degrees.

I was having horrible stomach aches and D when we started adding baked items

made with homemade pecan butter. (Reminder, I'm not the one who has any type of

problem, I just doing this with my son.) When I made the same muffins with the

soaked nuts, I got no stomach ache and no D. I suspect that lots of other

people might have this problem too. It's a simple step and seems to me to be

just as important as soaking beans. Sorry to have brought it up though.

Liz

[Guest guest]

> Just a reminder to folks -- especially newcomers

> -- that Elaine Gottschall was not fond of

> nut-soaking. Her primary concern was the

> development of mold or mildew on the nuts if they

> did not dry properly. She also noted that " Don't

> you have enough other food preparation to do without adding yet another step? "

>

> I have the greatest respect for both the

> Weston-Price Foundation and Elaine Gottschall.

>

> If nut-soaking works for you, I see no reason why

> you shouldn't continue doing it. But unless

> there's a problem with nuts, I don't see any

> point in going through all those gyrations. If I

> had to soak all the nuts I use, I'd never get any

> baking done -- I don't have the room in my

> kitchen or dining room, and I sure as heck don't have the time.

Wow, I didn't know this would make anyone angry. I have 4 kids and an almost

full time job. The nut soaking takes next to no time at all compared to all the

cooking and everything else I have to do. I don't worry about mold, since I put

them right into the oven after taking them out of the water - no mold is going

to grow at 125-150 degrees.

I was having horrible stomach aches and D when we started adding baked items

made with homemade pecan butter. (Reminder, I'm not the one who has any type of

problem, I just doing this with my son.) When I made the same muffins with the

soaked nuts, I got no stomach ache and no D. I suspect that lots of other

people might have this problem too. It's a simple step and seems to me to be

just as important as soaking beans. Sorry to have brought it up though.

Liz

[Guest guest]

At 06:15 PM 9/6/2009, you wrote:

Wow, I didn't know this would

make anyone angry. I have 4 kids and an almost full time job. The nut

soaking takes next to no time at all compared to all the cooking and

everything else I have to do. I don't worry about mold, since I put them

right into the oven after taking them out of the water - no mold is going

to grow at 125-150 degrees.

I was having horrible stomach aches and D when we started adding baked

items made with homemade pecan butter. (Reminder, I'm not the one who has

any type of problem, I just doing this with my son.) When I made the same

muffins with the soaked nuts, I got no stomach ache and no D. I suspect

that lots of other people might have this problem too. It's a simple step

and seems to me to be just as important as soaking beans. Sorry to have

brought it up though.

Liz,

Not angry. I just have to put forth the cautions and reservations about

this that I was taught.

Just for the record, and so we have the correct procedure handy (and

because I can't find my copy of Nourishing Traditions), how much water,

and how much salt to how any ounces/pounds of nuts do you use for a soak?

How long do you soak them?

About how long does it take for you to dry them at 120-150 F?

I agree that no mold is likely to grow at that temperature. However,

there was a discussion of doing this under the raw food parameters, with

the temperature in the range that could, if proper precautions weren't

used, foster the growth of mold or bacteria.

I don't disagree with you that this may be a useful tip for someone.

I just didn't find it necessary, and Elaine did have valid concerns about

it.

—

Marilyn

New

Orleans, Louisiana, USA

Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

Darn Good SCD Cook

No Human Children

Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

[Guest guest]

At 06:15 PM 9/6/2009, you wrote:

Wow, I didn't know this would

make anyone angry. I have 4 kids and an almost full time job. The nut

soaking takes next to no time at all compared to all the cooking and

everything else I have to do. I don't worry about mold, since I put them

right into the oven after taking them out of the water - no mold is going

to grow at 125-150 degrees.

I was having horrible stomach aches and D when we started adding baked

items made with homemade pecan butter. (Reminder, I'm not the one who has

any type of problem, I just doing this with my son.) When I made the same

muffins with the soaked nuts, I got no stomach ache and no D. I suspect

that lots of other people might have this problem too. It's a simple step

and seems to me to be just as important as soaking beans. Sorry to have

brought it up though.

Liz,

Not angry. I just have to put forth the cautions and reservations about

this that I was taught.

Just for the record, and so we have the correct procedure handy (and

because I can't find my copy of Nourishing Traditions), how much water,

and how much salt to how any ounces/pounds of nuts do you use for a soak?

How long do you soak them?

About how long does it take for you to dry them at 120-150 F?

I agree that no mold is likely to grow at that temperature. However,

there was a discussion of doing this under the raw food parameters, with

the temperature in the range that could, if proper precautions weren't

used, foster the growth of mold or bacteria.

I don't disagree with you that this may be a useful tip for someone.

I just didn't find it necessary, and Elaine did have valid concerns about

it.

—

Marilyn

New

Orleans, Louisiana, USA

Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

Darn Good SCD Cook

No Human Children

Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

[Guest guest]

Wow, I didn't know this would make anyone angry. I have 4 kids and an almost full time job. The nut soaking takes next to no time at all compared to all the cooking and everything else I have to do. I don't worry about mold, since I put them right into the oven after taking them out of the water - no mold is going to grow at 125-150 degrees. I was having horrible stomach aches and D when we started adding baked items made with homemade pecan butter. (Reminder, I'm not the one who has any type of problem, I just doing this with my son.) When I made the same muffins with the soaked nuts, I got no stomach ache and no D. I suspect that lots of other people might have this problem too. It's a simple step and seems to me to be just as important as soaking beans. Sorry to have brought it up though.Don't worry Liz. We have a version of this conversation every few months.This is nothing, just Marilyn being cautious for the sake of newbies who don'tknow all the rules, or also to protect against newbies being freaked out thinkingthere is yet something else they weren't doing that they have to do and fleeing inhorror. <g> If you really want to see tempers flare, wait until someone brings upcoconut water!! ! <VEG!>Mara

[Guest guest]

Wow, I didn't know this would make anyone angry. I have 4 kids and an almost full time job. The nut soaking takes next to no time at all compared to all the cooking and everything else I have to do. I don't worry about mold, since I put them right into the oven after taking them out of the water - no mold is going to grow at 125-150 degrees. I was having horrible stomach aches and D when we started adding baked items made with homemade pecan butter. (Reminder, I'm not the one who has any type of problem, I just doing this with my son.) When I made the same muffins with the soaked nuts, I got no stomach ache and no D. I suspect that lots of other people might have this problem too. It's a simple step and seems to me to be just as important as soaking beans. Sorry to have brought it up though.Don't worry Liz. We have a version of this conversation every few months.This is nothing, just Marilyn being cautious for the sake of newbies who don'tknow all the rules, or also to protect against newbies being freaked out thinkingthere is yet something else they weren't doing that they have to do and fleeing inhorror. <g> If you really want to see tempers flare, wait until someone brings upcoconut water!! ! <VEG!>Mara

[Guest guest]

Wow, I didn't know this would make anyone angry. I have 4 kids and an almost full time job. The nut soaking takes next to no time at all compared to all the cooking and everything else I have to do. I don't worry about mold, since I put them right into the oven after taking them out of the water - no mold is going to grow at 125-150 degrees. I was having horrible stomach aches and D when we started adding baked items made with homemade pecan butter. (Reminder, I'm not the one who has any type of problem, I just doing this with my son.) When I made the same muffins with the soaked nuts, I got no stomach ache and no D. I suspect that lots of other people might have this problem too. It's a simple step and seems to me to be just as important as soaking beans. Sorry to have brought it up though.Don't worry Liz. We have a version of this conversation every few months.This is nothing, just Marilyn being cautious for the sake of newbies who don'tknow all the rules, or also to protect against newbies being freaked out thinkingthere is yet something else they weren't doing that they have to do and fleeing inhorror. <g> If you really want to see tempers flare, wait until someone brings upcoconut water!! ! <VEG!>Mara

[Guest guest]

At 07:27 PM 9/6/2009, you wrote:

If you really want to see

tempers flare, wait until someone brings up coconut water!! !

<VEG!>

<groan>

Do we have to?

Please, gang, I am NOT up to this discussion this week -- I've been told

I have to have Yet Another Medical Form filled out for work -- they're

absolutely POSITIVE the doc couldn't have meant that I need a folding

stool at the register permanently, so apparently, they're going to make

me have a form filled out every couple of months.

My father is having surgery for skin cancer on Thursday. He also gets the

results of the cat-scan on the mysterious lump on his jaw (the biopsy

was, thank ghu, negative).

And my mom is... my mom. She's unable to sit up or walk. If she's eating

500 calories a day, it's a miracle. SOmetimes she's lucid.

So I am NOT up to the Great Coconut Water Debate.

Suffice it to say, Elaine said no young green coconut water, and that's

where that stands.

—

Marilyn

New

Orleans, Louisiana, USA

Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

Darn Good SCD Cook

No Human Children

Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

[Guest guest]

At 07:27 PM 9/6/2009, you wrote:

If you really want to see

tempers flare, wait until someone brings up coconut water!! !

<VEG!>

<groan>

Do we have to?

Please, gang, I am NOT up to this discussion this week -- I've been told

I have to have Yet Another Medical Form filled out for work -- they're

absolutely POSITIVE the doc couldn't have meant that I need a folding

stool at the register permanently, so apparently, they're going to make

me have a form filled out every couple of months.

My father is having surgery for skin cancer on Thursday. He also gets the

results of the cat-scan on the mysterious lump on his jaw (the biopsy

was, thank ghu, negative).

And my mom is... my mom. She's unable to sit up or walk. If she's eating

500 calories a day, it's a miracle. SOmetimes she's lucid.

So I am NOT up to the Great Coconut Water Debate.

Suffice it to say, Elaine said no young green coconut water, and that's

where that stands.

—

Marilyn

New

Orleans, Louisiana, USA

Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

Darn Good SCD Cook

No Human Children

Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

[Guest guest]

At 07:27 PM 9/6/2009, you wrote:

If you really want to see

tempers flare, wait until someone brings up coconut water!! !

<VEG!>

<groan>

Do we have to?

Please, gang, I am NOT up to this discussion this week -- I've been told

I have to have Yet Another Medical Form filled out for work -- they're

absolutely POSITIVE the doc couldn't have meant that I need a folding

stool at the register permanently, so apparently, they're going to make

me have a form filled out every couple of months.

My father is having surgery for skin cancer on Thursday. He also gets the

results of the cat-scan on the mysterious lump on his jaw (the biopsy

was, thank ghu, negative).

And my mom is... my mom. She's unable to sit up or walk. If she's eating

500 calories a day, it's a miracle. SOmetimes she's lucid.

So I am NOT up to the Great Coconut Water Debate.

Suffice it to say, Elaine said no young green coconut water, and that's

where that stands.

—

Marilyn

New

Orleans, Louisiana, USA

Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

Darn Good SCD Cook

No Human Children

Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

[Guest guest]

I think soaking them does make them blend easier (it seems to for me anyway).

It also makes a creamier end product. I use soaked cashews a lot when I make

puddings or ice cream. As for storing them...I don't really have an answer

about the mold but after I've soaked nuts I put them in the freezer. I don't

exactly do it because of a mold fear. I mean, they will mold if left out or in

the fridge but the reason I do it is because that way I *have* it. I don't have

to wait several hours before making pudding. Also, it doesn't really feel like

I'm adding another step since I have to do the same thing for beans anyway. As

for soak times? From what I've read different nuts have different soak times.

I usually soak cashews for about 6 hours. Anymore and they'll get slimy and

have a bad taste (I don't know if it's bad for you after that but the slime

makes me nervous). I also eat the nuts raw for the most part so I really do

need to soak them and I haven't had a problem with it (yay!). Heehee...I guess

my body was meant to eat raw .

Stacey

> >

> > Just a reminder to folks -- especially newcomers -- that Elaine

> > Gottschall was not fond of nut-soaking. Her primary concern was the

> > development of mold or mildew on the nuts if they did not dry

> > properly. She also noted that " Don't you have enough other food

> > preparation to do without adding yet another step? "

>

[Guest guest]

I think soaking them does make them blend easier (it seems to for me anyway).

It also makes a creamier end product. I use soaked cashews a lot when I make

puddings or ice cream. As for storing them...I don't really have an answer

about the mold but after I've soaked nuts I put them in the freezer. I don't

exactly do it because of a mold fear. I mean, they will mold if left out or in

the fridge but the reason I do it is because that way I *have* it. I don't have

to wait several hours before making pudding. Also, it doesn't really feel like

I'm adding another step since I have to do the same thing for beans anyway. As

for soak times? From what I've read different nuts have different soak times.

I usually soak cashews for about 6 hours. Anymore and they'll get slimy and

have a bad taste (I don't know if it's bad for you after that but the slime

makes me nervous). I also eat the nuts raw for the most part so I really do

need to soak them and I haven't had a problem with it (yay!). Heehee...I guess

my body was meant to eat raw .

Stacey

> >

> > Just a reminder to folks -- especially newcomers -- that Elaine

> > Gottschall was not fond of nut-soaking. Her primary concern was the

> > development of mold or mildew on the nuts if they did not dry

> > properly. She also noted that " Don't you have enough other food

> > preparation to do without adding yet another step? "

>

[Guest guest]

I think soaking them does make them blend easier (it seems to for me anyway).

It also makes a creamier end product. I use soaked cashews a lot when I make

puddings or ice cream. As for storing them...I don't really have an answer

about the mold but after I've soaked nuts I put them in the freezer. I don't

exactly do it because of a mold fear. I mean, they will mold if left out or in

the fridge but the reason I do it is because that way I *have* it. I don't have

to wait several hours before making pudding. Also, it doesn't really feel like

I'm adding another step since I have to do the same thing for beans anyway. As

for soak times? From what I've read different nuts have different soak times.

I usually soak cashews for about 6 hours. Anymore and they'll get slimy and

have a bad taste (I don't know if it's bad for you after that but the slime

makes me nervous). I also eat the nuts raw for the most part so I really do

need to soak them and I haven't had a problem with it (yay!). Heehee...I guess

my body was meant to eat raw .

Stacey

> >

> > Just a reminder to folks -- especially newcomers -- that Elaine

> > Gottschall was not fond of nut-soaking. Her primary concern was the

> > development of mold or mildew on the nuts if they did not dry

> > properly. She also noted that " Don't you have enough other food

> > preparation to do without adding yet another step? "

>

[Guest guest]

> If you really want to see tempers flare, wait until someone brings up

> coconut water!! !

>

> Mara

LOL! Believe it or not, this was the next thing I was going to ask about. I

think I won't though...

Liz

[Guest guest]

> If you really want to see tempers flare, wait until someone brings up

> coconut water!! !

>

> Mara

LOL! Believe it or not, this was the next thing I was going to ask about. I

think I won't though...

Liz

[Guest guest]

> If you really want to see tempers flare, wait until someone brings up

> coconut water!! !

>

> Mara

LOL! Believe it or not, this was the next thing I was going to ask about. I

think I won't though...

Liz

[Guest guest]

Mara; Coconut water- ROTFLMAO! ))

Liz; I was stupid enough to soak almonds without dehydrating when I was a

newbie and I got violently ill. I have made so many mistakes on this diet it's

not even funny. I think as long as we have precautions and directions listed

for this type of thread.. it's all good.

Don't feel bad about talking about what works for you guys..

Marilyn just states the pitfalls time and time again (I have no idea how she has

the patience) as she has been around for years and sees the conversation and

questions recycled in every possible way!!! It's amazing how many of us make the

same mistakes. I wish there was a better way to avoid some of them!

Jodi

[Guest guest]

Marilyn..

No coconut discussion but errrrrr just a tiny question and I'm done! I promise.

Is there an archive or -something- where Elaine talks about Coconuts ie; brown

coconuts.. what she means by Green coconuts like strictly Thai coconuts?

I really don't want to open this again as I know I aggravate everyone. So now I

will shut up.

I am really sorry about all of the family stress..

Breathing helps.

Jodi

[Guest guest]

Marilyn..

No coconut discussion but errrrrr just a tiny question and I'm done! I promise.

Is there an archive or -something- where Elaine talks about Coconuts ie; brown

coconuts.. what she means by Green coconuts like strictly Thai coconuts?

I really don't want to open this again as I know I aggravate everyone. So now I

will shut up.

I am really sorry about all of the family stress..

Breathing helps.

Jodi

[Guest guest]

At 09:35 PM 9/6/2009, you wrote:

Is there an archive or

-something- where Elaine talks about Coconuts ie; brown coconuts.. what

she means by Green coconuts like strictly Thai

coconuts?

I managed to snag a bunch of things from the old Long Island List. The

problem is, I have not had time to go through everything and they are not

organized in any kind of searchable file.

I would have to go searching to find the files....

All I know is that things like the Body Ecology Diet's young green

coconut water is not SCD-legal. I wasn't interested in it while

Elaine was alive because I don't like coconut that much, and so never

directly discussed it with her.

It's kind of like bananas, you know. There are a gazillion varieties of

bananas, but because we don't have the proper analyses, only the big

yellow ones that we get here in the US and Canada are SCD-legal.

—

Marilyn

New

Orleans, Louisiana, USA

Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

Darn Good SCD Cook

No Human Children

Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

[Guest guest]

At 09:35 PM 9/6/2009, you wrote:

Is there an archive or

-something- where Elaine talks about Coconuts ie; brown coconuts.. what

she means by Green coconuts like strictly Thai

coconuts?

I managed to snag a bunch of things from the old Long Island List. The

problem is, I have not had time to go through everything and they are not

organized in any kind of searchable file.

I would have to go searching to find the files....

All I know is that things like the Body Ecology Diet's young green

coconut water is not SCD-legal. I wasn't interested in it while

Elaine was alive because I don't like coconut that much, and so never

directly discussed it with her.

It's kind of like bananas, you know. There are a gazillion varieties of

bananas, but because we don't have the proper analyses, only the big

yellow ones that we get here in the US and Canada are SCD-legal.

—

Marilyn

New

Orleans, Louisiana, USA

Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

Darn Good SCD Cook

No Human Children

Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

[Guest guest]

Marilyn,

OK. Thanks!

Don't search and spend time on such a thing.

Maybe there is a way I can get a friend to build something so we could search

those archives properly? Is that something you'd be ok with?

Jodi