Re: Marilyn- OT: Life Without Bread

[Guest guest]

Hi Jodi,

I don't have Marilyn's experience and wisdom, but want to add my

comments to this.

I've read the German version, called Leben Ohne Brot. It was an

interesting read. However, for those of us who can't tolerate di-

and poly-saccharides, I'm not sure Dr. Lutz' diet will work in the

healing stages of our journey. His menus and recipes use potatoes,

flour, sugar, bread crumbs, etc.

Maybe once we are healed to where we can tolerate that type of saccharide ...

Hannah

[Guest guest]

> Hi Jodi,>> I don't have Marilyn's experience and wisdom, but want to add my> comments to this.>> I've read the German version, called Leben Ohne Brot. It was an> interesting read. However, for those of us who can't tolerate di-> and poly-saccharides, I'm not sure Dr. Lutz' diet will work in the> healing stages of our journey. His menus and recipes use potatoes,> flour, sugar, bread crumbs, etc.>> Maybe once we are healed to where we can tolerate that type of > saccharide ...>> Hannah>>>Lutz's approach is one that keeps track of total daily carbohydrates consumed, not specific carbs consumed. Clearly that does work for many people with IBDs. He kept meticulous records and there's documentation for hundreds of his patients over a number of decades who regained their health with his approach. Which is not to say that it works for everybody, or will work for some, or perhaps even most, of the people on this list. (But the SCD doesn't work for everybody last person either.) As in all health-related things, one has to decide for oneself, based on his or her circumstances and body, what he or she thinks will work best. And sometimes things you try don't work; and sometimes they do; spectacularly, even -- as the SCD does for a number of people.n

[Guest guest]

At 08:01 AM 9/3/2009, you wrote:

Was wondering if you had a

chance to read and review " Life Without Bread " and what your

thoughts are about it?

I have read it, but then put my copy in a SAFE place. (And in a house

with 12,000 books, that's DANGEROUS....) I do recall that what he

recommended seemed to me to include WAY too much starch and things, but I

think it is an intriguing book.

>> I am thinking of incorporating some elements into my regiment

because I just cannot be nut, fruit, dried fruit, dairy heavy..

<<

Well, you know what I keep saying -- you are not REQUIRED to eat nuts, or

a lot of dairy, or whatever. I eat very little fruit, too this day --

typically, my fruit is limited to a cup or so of Tropicana orange juice.

When I'm really feeling decadent, I'll have some blueberries or a couple

dates. Although I have to combine some protein with the fruit.

Remember that the so-called BALANCED diet is based on the food pyramid...

and the food pyramid is based on politics, not science. It, after all,

claims that we can't function without plenty of complex carbs. Guess I

quit functioning about eight years ago....

If I recall correctly, Lutz's approach wasn't SPECIFIC carbs, but total

carbs -- he restricted the amount of all carbs, not the type of

carbs.

>> Do you think that this kind of carb restriction long term on SCD

would lead to something bad? <<

Depends on what you define as " restriction. " I know that many

people feel you should have at least 100 grams of carbs a day. I usually

run around 50 grams, with the occasional desert kicking me a bit higher.

I'm not specifically restricting carbs. That's just what I feel

comfortable on. Heck, some days, particularly if I don't have OJ in the

morning, I'm as low as 30 for the day. OTOH, if I happen to go with some

ripe bananas or some date ch-c-l-t-, I can be as high as 120 grams. But

for me, since I tolerated so little in the way of fruit the first several

years, bananas and so forth are a rare treat, and I don't think I've

suffered for it.

You want enough carbs not to fall into ketosis, but what that amount is

may differ for each person.

—

Marilyn

New

Orleans, Louisiana, USA

Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

Darn Good SCD Cook

No Human Children

Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

[Guest guest]

Jodi

I'm not Marilyn, but thought I'd mention my experience. I thoroughly appreciated "Life without bread" and found it discussed a lot of what I'd already discovered on SCD through trial and error. Wish I'd come across the book much sooner; would have saved me some frustration and struggle! Coping with Sphincter of Oddi dysfunction limits my digestion in so many ways, and some of the concepts discussed in "Life without bread" explained what my own intuition and experiences had already discovered.

So, I've been on low-carb, low-fat, low-fiber, bland SCD for 5 years. My overall health has never been better, even though my nervous system is slowly deteriorating. That's another issue and one that can't be "fixed" by healthy eating. My biannual blood work results are excellent (as long as I give myself B12 shots monthly and boost my electrolytes regularly). My blood sugar levels are remaining relatively stable (guess my pancreas hasn't given up working yet...) My doctors are astonished that I have the chronic digestive symptoms under such good management and am not needing pain management 24/7.

I don't eat dairy and have to limit my fruits, nuts and dried fruits. I limit fats and fibers, keep everything bland. I rarely eat anything high carb. One of these days I need to figure out how many grams of fat or fiber I consume in a day. I know it is low because it is what my digestion requires.

Works for me, anyway.

Kim M.

SCD 5+ years

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

....Was wondering if you had a chance to read and review "Life Without Bread" and what your thoughts are about it?I am thinking of incorporating some elements into my regiment because I just cannot be nut, fruit, dried fruit, dairy heavy.. Do you think that this kind of carb restriction long term on SCD would lead to something bad?

[Guest guest]

Jodi

I'm not Marilyn, but thought I'd mention my experience. I thoroughly appreciated "Life without bread" and found it discussed a lot of what I'd already discovered on SCD through trial and error. Wish I'd come across the book much sooner; would have saved me some frustration and struggle! Coping with Sphincter of Oddi dysfunction limits my digestion in so many ways, and some of the concepts discussed in "Life without bread" explained what my own intuition and experiences had already discovered.

So, I've been on low-carb, low-fat, low-fiber, bland SCD for 5 years. My overall health has never been better, even though my nervous system is slowly deteriorating. That's another issue and one that can't be "fixed" by healthy eating. My biannual blood work results are excellent (as long as I give myself B12 shots monthly and boost my electrolytes regularly). My blood sugar levels are remaining relatively stable (guess my pancreas hasn't given up working yet...) My doctors are astonished that I have the chronic digestive symptoms under such good management and am not needing pain management 24/7.

I don't eat dairy and have to limit my fruits, nuts and dried fruits. I limit fats and fibers, keep everything bland. I rarely eat anything high carb. One of these days I need to figure out how many grams of fat or fiber I consume in a day. I know it is low because it is what my digestion requires.

Works for me, anyway.

Kim M.

SCD 5+ years

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

....Was wondering if you had a chance to read and review "Life Without Bread" and what your thoughts are about it?I am thinking of incorporating some elements into my regiment because I just cannot be nut, fruit, dried fruit, dairy heavy.. Do you think that this kind of carb restriction long term on SCD would lead to something bad?

[Guest guest]

Kim M,

Always love your opinion and input.. You kidding me.. You have managed to tweak

the program in such great detail to fit your individual needs.

Post surgery I am just feeling I need to do carb restriction..

Like only a given amount a day. Reading Life Without Bread has given me some

ideas for parameters how to go about doing such a thing.

I started a somewhat modified version and my BM's got much firmer again.

But I am also doing Alternative Lyme treatment that gave me an incredible amount

of watery D and die off hell and now I am feeling a bit better.

Jodi

[Guest guest]

Marilyn,

Ok.. I have to read about this more.

Do you happen to have a good/reliable chart for Carbs in foods especially like

SCD foods?

Jodi

> You want enough carbs not to fall into ketosis,

> but what that amount is may differ for each person.

>

>

> — Marilyn

[Guest guest]

Marilyn,

Ok.. I have to read about this more.

Do you happen to have a good/reliable chart for Carbs in foods especially like

SCD foods?

Jodi

> You want enough carbs not to fall into ketosis,

> but what that amount is may differ for each person.

>

>

> — Marilyn

[Guest guest]

Marilyn,

Ok.. I have to read about this more.

Do you happen to have a good/reliable chart for Carbs in foods especially like

SCD foods?

Jodi

> You want enough carbs not to fall into ketosis,

> but what that amount is may differ for each person.

>

>

> — Marilyn

[Guest guest]

Jodi

I didn't come across Life without bread until year 3 on SCD. I knew when I first read BTVC that I was onto something with the information about monosaccharides and polysaccharides, but I still had so many problems tolerating even the legal foods. Through trial and error, and some research on digestion and nutrition, I'd figured out that I also had to restrict even the permitted carbs, not to mention fiber and fat (because of having Sphincter of Oddi dysfunction). But reading Life without bread made sense of what I'd already figured out -- gave me the why and how. I cope better when I get a grasp of the whats and whys [grin].

I'm packing to move (from a rental to a purchased house in the same town) so can't get to my copy of Life without bread, but I remember that the author suggested keeping the daily carbs to a certain number of bread units. Wasn't it 12 bread units per day? Something like that anyway. Love that concept of bread units! I figured out that my daily total of bread units is way below what most people want and need. If 12 bread units is that suggested number (wish I could verify it), then my total bread units per day is about 5 or 6.

Having functional digestive disorders (and a faulty endocrine and nervous system) means having to tweak or fine-tune everything, from SCD to yeast elimination diets to supplements to medications. I always have to balance what is being recommended with what experience has shown me my body will tolerate.

I need to spend some time at Fitday.com to figure out how little fiber and fat my digestion also tolerates. I've had to adjust carbs, fiber, fat and spices in order to keep my digestion running with minimal symptoms.

Symptom management is my goal. And thanks to SCD, and doing lots of reading and research, I've achieved that goal. I hate to think of what a mess I'd be in if I hadn't come across SCD....

Kim M.

SCD 5+ years

Sphincter of Oddi dysfunction 6 years

neurological deterioration 3 years

>>>>>>>>>>>>

Post surgery I am just feeling I need to do carb restriction..Like only a given amount a day. Reading Life Without Bread has given me some ideas for parameters how to go about doing such a thing.

[Guest guest]

Jodi

I didn't come across Life without bread until year 3 on SCD. I knew when I first read BTVC that I was onto something with the information about monosaccharides and polysaccharides, but I still had so many problems tolerating even the legal foods. Through trial and error, and some research on digestion and nutrition, I'd figured out that I also had to restrict even the permitted carbs, not to mention fiber and fat (because of having Sphincter of Oddi dysfunction). But reading Life without bread made sense of what I'd already figured out -- gave me the why and how. I cope better when I get a grasp of the whats and whys [grin].

I'm packing to move (from a rental to a purchased house in the same town) so can't get to my copy of Life without bread, but I remember that the author suggested keeping the daily carbs to a certain number of bread units. Wasn't it 12 bread units per day? Something like that anyway. Love that concept of bread units! I figured out that my daily total of bread units is way below what most people want and need. If 12 bread units is that suggested number (wish I could verify it), then my total bread units per day is about 5 or 6.

Having functional digestive disorders (and a faulty endocrine and nervous system) means having to tweak or fine-tune everything, from SCD to yeast elimination diets to supplements to medications. I always have to balance what is being recommended with what experience has shown me my body will tolerate.

I need to spend some time at Fitday.com to figure out how little fiber and fat my digestion also tolerates. I've had to adjust carbs, fiber, fat and spices in order to keep my digestion running with minimal symptoms.

Symptom management is my goal. And thanks to SCD, and doing lots of reading and research, I've achieved that goal. I hate to think of what a mess I'd be in if I hadn't come across SCD....

Kim M.

SCD 5+ years

Sphincter of Oddi dysfunction 6 years

neurological deterioration 3 years

>>>>>>>>>>>>

Post surgery I am just feeling I need to do carb restriction..Like only a given amount a day. Reading Life Without Bread has given me some ideas for parameters how to go about doing such a thing.

[Guest guest]

Jodi

I didn't come across Life without bread until year 3 on SCD. I knew when I first read BTVC that I was onto something with the information about monosaccharides and polysaccharides, but I still had so many problems tolerating even the legal foods. Through trial and error, and some research on digestion and nutrition, I'd figured out that I also had to restrict even the permitted carbs, not to mention fiber and fat (because of having Sphincter of Oddi dysfunction). But reading Life without bread made sense of what I'd already figured out -- gave me the why and how. I cope better when I get a grasp of the whats and whys [grin].

I'm packing to move (from a rental to a purchased house in the same town) so can't get to my copy of Life without bread, but I remember that the author suggested keeping the daily carbs to a certain number of bread units. Wasn't it 12 bread units per day? Something like that anyway. Love that concept of bread units! I figured out that my daily total of bread units is way below what most people want and need. If 12 bread units is that suggested number (wish I could verify it), then my total bread units per day is about 5 or 6.

Having functional digestive disorders (and a faulty endocrine and nervous system) means having to tweak or fine-tune everything, from SCD to yeast elimination diets to supplements to medications. I always have to balance what is being recommended with what experience has shown me my body will tolerate.

I need to spend some time at Fitday.com to figure out how little fiber and fat my digestion also tolerates. I've had to adjust carbs, fiber, fat and spices in order to keep my digestion running with minimal symptoms.

Symptom management is my goal. And thanks to SCD, and doing lots of reading and research, I've achieved that goal. I hate to think of what a mess I'd be in if I hadn't come across SCD....

Kim M.

SCD 5+ years

Sphincter of Oddi dysfunction 6 years

neurological deterioration 3 years

>>>>>>>>>>>>

Post surgery I am just feeling I need to do carb restriction..Like only a given amount a day. Reading Life Without Bread has given me some ideas for parameters how to go about doing such a thing.

[Guest guest]

I've been on almost zero-carb diet for some days, because I was waiting for

intructions from my doctor about what to eat.

My experience is that my body was working perfectly fine, but my doctor

instructed me to add enough carbs to prevent ketosis. She also provided me with

a list of the carbs that were safe for me.

So today I tryed coconut, which contains substantial amounts of carbs. And it

seems that I'm doing fine :-)

Chronic D since 2005, suspected disbyosis

SCD April 29

Intro May 29

Currently on bio, dairy-free, low oxalate SCD

>

> Jodi

>

> I didn't come across Life without bread until year 3 on SCD. I knew when I

first read BTVC that I was onto something with the information about

monosaccharides and polysaccharides, but I still had so many problems tolerating

even the legal foods. Through trial and error, and some research on digestion

and nutrition, I'd figured out that I also had to restrict even the permitted

carbs, not to mention fiber and fat (because of having Sphincter of Oddi

dysfunction). But reading Life without bread made sense of what I'd already

figured out -- gave me the why and how. I cope better when I get a grasp of the

whats and whys [grin].

>

> I'm packing to move (from a rental to a purchased house in the same town) so

can't get to my copy of Life without bread, but I remember that the author

suggested keeping the daily carbs to a certain number of bread units. Wasn't it

12 bread units per day? Something like that anyway. Love that concept of bread

units! I figured out that my daily total of bread units is way below what most

people want and need. If 12 bread units is that suggested number (wish I could

verify it), then my total bread units per day is about 5 or 6.

>

> Having functional digestive disorders (and a faulty endocrine and nervous

system) means having to tweak or fine-tune everything, from SCD to yeast

elimination diets to supplements to medications. I always have to balance what

is being recommended with what experience has shown me my body will tolerate.

>

> I need to spend some time at Fitday.com to figure out how little fiber and fat

my digestion also tolerates. I've had to adjust carbs, fiber, fat and spices in

order to keep my digestion running with minimal symptoms.

>

> Symptom management is my goal. And thanks to SCD, and doing lots of reading

and research, I've achieved that goal. I hate to think of what a mess I'd be in

if I hadn't come across SCD....

>

> Kim M.

> SCD 5+ years

> Sphincter of Oddi dysfunction 6 years

> neurological deterioration 3 years

>

> >>>>>>>>>>>>

> Post surgery I am just feeling I need to do carb restriction..

> Like only a given amount a day. Reading Life Without Bread has given me some

ideas for parameters how to go about doing such a thing.

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Kim M,

I still need to understand this total amount of carbs (72 grams) which they

measure in 6 bread units a day. It's supposed to be straight fwd and yet

different charts online negate one another yet again about carb content (I have

experienced this with Fructose charts and some other chart too)

Confusing.

Do you actually count the carbs or is it like natural to you now?

Jodi

[Guest guest]

Hi Kim M,

I still need to understand this total amount of carbs (72 grams) which they

measure in 6 bread units a day. It's supposed to be straight fwd and yet

different charts online negate one another yet again about carb content (I have

experienced this with Fructose charts and some other chart too)

Confusing.

Do you actually count the carbs or is it like natural to you now?

Jodi

[Guest guest]

Hi Kim M,

I still need to understand this total amount of carbs (72 grams) which they

measure in 6 bread units a day. It's supposed to be straight fwd and yet

different charts online negate one another yet again about carb content (I have

experienced this with Fructose charts and some other chart too)

Confusing.

Do you actually count the carbs or is it like natural to you now?

Jodi

[Guest guest]

Hi SCD Dieter,

I though coconut is low carb..

Also, what kind of carbs did she tell you to add- is there like a set amount?

Thanks,

Jodi

[Guest guest]

Hi SCD Dieter,

I though coconut is low carb..

Also, what kind of carbs did she tell you to add- is there like a set amount?

Thanks,

Jodi

[Guest guest]

Hi SCD Dieter,

I though coconut is low carb..

Also, what kind of carbs did she tell you to add- is there like a set amount?

Thanks,

Jodi