Dr. and Psych. Eval.

[Guest guest]

Hi All!

Well, I took the train from Seattle to Portland at 7:30 AM [yawn ;-o].

I met with Dr. Deviny first. He spent maybe 10 minutes with me.

He never asked me 'why' I want the surgery. Then, I rushed over

to Dr. 's and she made me wait over an hour to see

her! My appointment was for 3 but it was more like 4:30 when

they took me back.

This really amused me: included in the paperwork that new

patients fill out was a 2 page 'abbreviated'

questionnaire that seemed suspiciously like the MMPI. Isn't that

a kick? I have a feeling they are wanting to see how consistent a

patient's answers are with the psychologist's interpretation of the

MMPI.

Anyway, I think that she normally sees a patient for 2 hours or so

because I finally had to just leave in order to catch the last train

back to Seattle. So, I have to return to Portland to finish the

initial

appointment.

Now for the good part: She did NOT accept my psychological

evaluation or the MMPI interpretation!!! Can you top that? She

said that it was too brief.

So, now I have to get a letter from my regular psychiatrist, a copy

of my 3-1/2 year old sleep study which shows I have sleep

apnea and I have to get the hospital where I took the MMPI send

the score to one of her psychologists so that they can interpret it.

I also have to go see her psychologist and take ANOTHER

" short " test. I think it's called a 'Battery of Eating Inventory' or

something similar. Then, I have to meet with this psychologist for

1- 1 1/2 hours.

So, on one hand I've got Deviny and OHSU who will contact me

as soon as they discover that my insurance does not require an

approval. On the other hand, I have at Emanuel

requiring me to make at least 2 more trips to Portland before we

get down to business.

The funny thing is, I'm inclined to go ahead and show how well I

can jump through hoops, I mean, follow directives. My

impression is that once I become a surgical patient, I will enjoy

care under Dr. a great deal more than at OHSU.

I also suspect that Dr. may be running a really tight

ship because she is relatively new and doesn't want there to be

any problems that she could have prevented. In other words, I

think it is an indication of integrity that she is as demanding and

rigid as she is.

What do others think? Can I get feed back from some of you who

have already had the hospital experience?

Thanks much to all of you.

gobo

ds pre-op

BMI 55

" Sometimes We Never Know How We Influence the Lives of

Others, Yet We Touch Those Lives Just the Same "

> Thanks To All For Your Fabulous Support!!!

>

> I finally called Virginia Mason right here in Seattle. I was able

to

> be seen by the nutritionist and the psychiatrist on the SAME

day. I

> then took the MMPI following the two appointments. Whew!! It

> was a lo-o-o-ong day ;-}

>

> I got the results in less than a week and guess what? I'm

> normal!!! When I read that, my reaction was, " I am? " lol.

>

> I am so thrilled and I want to thank everyone who advised me

to

> 'not worry and to just be honest'. It worked!! :-)

>

> Next, I see Dr. on April 5. My PCP has been ordering

> lab work, tests and what ever like crazy. I'll be heading down to

> Portland on the 'red-eye' (that's Amtrak) at 7:30 AM this coming

> Thursday. I'll be armed with two copies of my complete

medical

> charts and all test results, labs, nuclear heart tests, etc. I'm

> meeting with Dr. Deviny at OHSU on the same day just in

> case Dr. does not approve of me or the specialists I

> finally found.

>

> Well anyway folks, even though I STILL haven't met any of you,

> you've been so supportive no matter what I've asked of you. I

> once asked the question of whether there are any Seattle

Angels

> and I feel as though I've got a whole group full of them! I think

> it's time for a group (((((((HUG))))))) !!!!

>

> love to all, 8-D

>

> gobo

> DS Pre-Op

> appt. w/Dr. 4/5

> BMI 55

[Guest guest]

I filled out Dr. 's preliminary form, but I

think I am going to tell her to stuff it. These

psychological tests are buncom, voodoo that the

baryatric physicians use to select a docile group of

patients willing to go along with whatever the surgeon

says. ly, there is no group of people that can be

more self-righteous than those in the medical field.

They can be really sickeningly helpful. Moreover,

people that will jump through all these foolish

psychiatric hoops are less likely to sue for

malpractice than other patients. Dr. Rutledge, the

quack from North Carolina that does the minigastric

bypass and reports amazing results, uses hoop jumping

to select a docile group of patients, as well. Some

doctors lack the confidence to just go ahead and do

the surgery and this may be Dr. 's problem.

To me, Emma , whether she knows it or not, is

discriminating against fat people that aren't so nice

as you may be with her MMPI and eating tests, for some

out there won't put up with it. The NIH protocols for

WLS are just that---inventions out of thin air by

politician medicos that are for discriminating against

fat people because a lot of fat people are, as

everyone knows, nuts, for why else would they be fat?

Who knows, it may be that they just don't want too

many fat people getting skinny. There is no other

group out there that has to go through such psych

hoops that I know about. Certainly not lung cancer

patients who smoke or people getting bowel surgeries

for a lack of fiber in the diet. I am told that they

are trying to get all those who have plastic surgery

to see a shrink first.

As a group, fat people don't have much gumption.

We fatsos are consumers; they are surgeons. We should

be able to have our surgery without seeing a single

shrink or taking a single damn psychological test.

From what I can gather, the visit to the recommended

dietitian is also a waste of time, as the dietitian

knows very little about the duodenal switch surgery

and the peculiar dietetic requirements that it may

necessitate. Basically, what is required is clear

instructions from the surgeon on what should be eaten,

how it should be eaten, and how much to eat, in

addition to a good relationship with one's PCP or

shrink, so that if one gets depressed post-op, they

can prescribe antidepressant medication or up them.

If Ms Emma really cared about her patients,

she would not be creating problems for her patients

and wasting their time and money or covering her

derriere with all sorts of documentation. On the

contrary, if she really cared about her patients, she

would spend her time doing the surgeries and the

followups. This would increase her income and the

happiness that getting a switch can provide. It sounds

to me like Emma is a perfectionist who has a god

complex.

--- gobo yoemoe@...> wrote:

>

> Hi All!

> Well, I took the train from Seattle to Portland at

> 7:30 AM [yawn ;-o].

> I met with Dr. Deviny first. He spent maybe 10

> minutes with me.

> He never asked me 'why' I want the surgery. Then, I

> rushed over

> to Dr. 's and she made me wait over an hour

> to see

> her! My appointment was for 3 but it was more like

> 4:30 when

> they took me back.

>

> This really amused me: included in the paperwork

> that new

> patients fill out was a 2 page 'abbreviated'

> questionnaire that seemed suspiciously like the

> MMPI. Isn't that

> a kick? I have a feeling they are wanting to see how

> consistent a

> patient's answers are with the psychologist's

> interpretation of the

> MMPI.

>

> Anyway, I think that she normally sees a patient for

> 2 hours or so

> because I finally had to just leave in order to

> catch the last train

> back to Seattle. So, I have to return to Portland to

> finish the

> initial

> appointment.

>

> Now for the good part: She did NOT accept my

> psychological

> evaluation or the MMPI interpretation!!! Can you top

> that? She

> said that it was too brief.

>

> So, now I have to get a letter from my regular

> psychiatrist, a copy

> of my 3-1/2 year old sleep study which shows I have

> sleep

> apnea and I have to get the hospital where I took

> the MMPI send

> the score to one of her psychologists so that they

> can interpret it.

> I also have to go see her psychologist and take

> ANOTHER

> " short " test. I think it's called a 'Battery of

> Eating Inventory' or

> something similar. Then, I have to meet with this

> psychologist for

> 1- 1 1/2 hours.

>

> So, on one hand I've got Deviny and OHSU who will

> contact me

> as soon as they discover that my insurance does not

> require an

> approval. On the other hand, I have at

> Emanuel

> requiring me to make at least 2 more trips to

> Portland before we

> get down to business.

>

> The funny thing is, I'm inclined to go ahead and

> show how well I

> can jump through hoops, I mean, follow directives.

> My

> impression is that once I become a surgical patient,

> I will enjoy

> care under Dr. a great deal more than at

> OHSU.

>

> I also suspect that Dr. may be running a

> really tight

> ship because she is relatively new and doesn't want

> there to be

> any problems that she could have prevented. In other

> words, I

> think it is an indication of integrity that she is

> as demanding and

> rigid as she is.

>

> What do others think? Can I get feed back from some

> of you who

> have already had the hospital experience?

>

> Thanks much to all of you.

> gobo

> ds pre-op

> BMI 55

>

> " Sometimes We Never Know How We Influence the Lives

> of

> Others, Yet We Touch Those Lives Just the Same "

>

>

> > Thanks To All For Your Fabulous Support!!!

> >

> > I finally called Virginia Mason right here in

> Seattle. I was able

> to

> > be seen by the nutritionist and the psychiatrist

> on the SAME

> day. I

> > then took the MMPI following the two appointments.

> Whew!! It

> > was a lo-o-o-ong day ;-}

> >

> > I got the results in less than a week and guess

> what? I'm

> > normal!!! When I read that, my reaction was, " I

> am? " lol.

> >

> > I am so thrilled and I want to thank everyone who

> advised me

> to

> > 'not worry and to just be honest'. It worked!! :-)

> >

> > Next, I see Dr. on April 5. My PCP has

> been ordering

> > lab work, tests and what ever like crazy. I'll be

> heading down to

> > Portland on the 'red-eye' (that's Amtrak) at 7:30

> AM this coming

> > Thursday. I'll be armed with two copies of my

> complete

> medical

> > charts and all test results, labs, nuclear heart

> tests, etc. I'm

> > meeting with Dr. Deviny at OHSU on the same day

> just in

> > case Dr. does not approve of me or the

> specialists I

> > finally found.

> >

> > Well anyway folks, even though I STILL haven't met

> any of you,

> > you've been so supportive no matter what I've

> asked of you. I

> > once asked the question of whether there are any

> Seattle

> Angels

> > and I feel as though I've got a whole group full

> of them! I think

> > it's time for a group (((((((HUG))))))) !!!!

> >

> > love to all, 8-D

> >

> > gobo

> > DS Pre-Op

> > appt. w/Dr. 4/5

> > BMI 55

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Leonard......if you are so damn upset about this psyche evaluation...then why don't you go find another surgeon instead of complaining and degrading one that is looking out for your best interests????? I for one am willing to do whatever is needed to have this done....I would rather do this and end up healthy and thin instead of resentful, miserable and fat.....you do what you gotta do...........Bobbi-jo

P.s am having MY psyche evaluation today :-)

[Guest guest]

gotta do...........Bobbi-jo

P.s am having MY psyche evaluation today :-)

Let me know how it goes Bobbie-jo, mine isn't until April 27.

Kathy

5/1

[Guest guest]

I am glad for you Bobbie jo that your tests are done.

MIne haven't even started yet. I start this Saturday.

I scheduled my psych eval with a Dr. in Richmond who also does them for all the RNY patients from Dr. Sugarman/Kellum's office.

I hope it won't be too extensive.

Kathy

[Guest guest]

I am glad for you Bobbie jo that your tests are done.

MIne haven't even started yet. I start this Saturday.

I scheduled my psych eval with a Dr. in Richmond who also does them for all the RNY patients from Dr. Sugarman/Kellum's office.

I hope it won't be too extensive.

Kathy

[Guest guest]

I am glad for you Bobbie jo that your tests are done.

MIne haven't even started yet. I start this Saturday.

I scheduled my psych eval with a Dr. in Richmond who also does them for all the RNY patients from Dr. Sugarman/Kellum's office.

I hope it won't be too extensive.

Kathy