Re: D for about 6 weeks now - Is SCD not working?

[Guest guest]

Has anyone else experienced this? Is it possible that the SCD won't work for me? I don't know where the light at the end of this tunnel is. I just want to get to a better place and be in a place of progressive healing. I was happy there.I've been having D for the past six weeks as well, maybe longer; I can't really remember. It's a little discouraging, but the fact that my chiro sees improvement every time I go is keeping me going. I do hope it stops at some point though =) Peace =)Alyssa 15 yoUC April 2008, dx Sept 2008SCD June 2009 (restarted)No meds!

[Guest guest]

chiro as in chiropracter?

>

> > Has anyone else experienced this? Is it possible that the SCD won't

> > work for me? I don't know where the light at the end of this tunnel

> > is. I just want to get to a better place and be in a place of

> > progressive healing. I was happy there.

>

>

> I've been having D for the past six weeks as well, maybe longer; I

> can't really remember. It's a little discouraging, but the fact that

> my chiro sees improvement every time I go is keeping me going. I do

> hope it stops at some point though =)

>

> Peace =)

> Alyssa 15 yo

> UC April 2008, dx Sept 2008

> SCD June 2009 (restarted)

> No meds!

>

[Guest guest]

chiro as in chiropracter?

>

> > Has anyone else experienced this? Is it possible that the SCD won't

> > work for me? I don't know where the light at the end of this tunnel

> > is. I just want to get to a better place and be in a place of

> > progressive healing. I was happy there.

>

>

> I've been having D for the past six weeks as well, maybe longer; I

> can't really remember. It's a little discouraging, but the fact that

> my chiro sees improvement every time I go is keeping me going. I do

> hope it stops at some point though =)

>

> Peace =)

> Alyssa 15 yo

> UC April 2008, dx Sept 2008

> SCD June 2009 (restarted)

> No meds!

>

[Guest guest]

chiro as in chiropracter?

>

> > Has anyone else experienced this? Is it possible that the SCD won't

> > work for me? I don't know where the light at the end of this tunnel

> > is. I just want to get to a better place and be in a place of

> > progressive healing. I was happy there.

>

>

> I've been having D for the past six weeks as well, maybe longer; I

> can't really remember. It's a little discouraging, but the fact that

> my chiro sees improvement every time I go is keeping me going. I do

> hope it stops at some point though =)

>

> Peace =)

> Alyssa 15 yo

> UC April 2008, dx Sept 2008

> SCD June 2009 (restarted)

> No meds!

>

[Guest guest]

Val

It usually takes 3 months for the body to adjust to the loss of a gallbladder, so you can expect problems for a while. While your body is adjusting, you'll need to be careful with fats and fiber, so going on the intro. diet or sticking to easy-to-digest foods for several weeks will also help.

You mention antibiotics. Are you getting a lot of mucuous with your D.? Have you checked that you don't have C. Difficile?

You also mention pain easing when you're on the intro. diet. I don't like to be the voice of doom here, but, according to statistics, 10% to 12% of patients do not recover or get worse after their gallbladder was removed. I'm one of those, so I've done a lot of reading on post-cholecystectomy syndrome...

My problem turned out to be Sphincter of Oddi dysfunction which was blocking the gallbladder from emptying normally which is why I "failed" my Hida with CCK, so had my gallbladder removed -- but that didn't solve my problem. Several gastroenterologists and lots of tests later I was diagnosed with Sphincter of Oddi dysfunction, and have since had to learn a lot more than I wanted to about the upper GI... I ended up needing a sphincterotomy to get my Sphincter of Oddi working again, and my bile ducts to empty more or less properly. I deal with abdominal pain, back pain and nausea every day, along with C., and my body has never adapted to the loss of the gallbladder. A lot of patients with Sphincter of Oddi dysfunction have D. instead of C., by the way. And a lot of patients get Sphincter of Oddi dysfunction AFTER having their gallbladders removed...

It was a lot of work during my first year on SCD to figure out which permitted foods work best for my digestion. Eventually I reached good symptom management, and am doing fine as long as I stick to my "good" foods and work with my cranky upper GI, not stressing it in any way. I have to be super careful with fats, fiber and seasonings.

Anyway, don't let the D. go on too long. Check in with your gastroenterologist, and seek other opinions and testing too.

Kim M.

SCD 5+ years

>>>>>>>>>>

I have been experiencing D with bouts of normal BMs for about 6 weeks now. 4 weeks ago I had my gall bladder removed. Today I went back to the intro hoping it would help, but my D is like waterfalls!!! The one thing the intro diet has done is allieviate most of the pain.

[Guest guest]

Val

It usually takes 3 months for the body to adjust to the loss of a gallbladder, so you can expect problems for a while. While your body is adjusting, you'll need to be careful with fats and fiber, so going on the intro. diet or sticking to easy-to-digest foods for several weeks will also help.

You mention antibiotics. Are you getting a lot of mucuous with your D.? Have you checked that you don't have C. Difficile?

You also mention pain easing when you're on the intro. diet. I don't like to be the voice of doom here, but, according to statistics, 10% to 12% of patients do not recover or get worse after their gallbladder was removed. I'm one of those, so I've done a lot of reading on post-cholecystectomy syndrome...

My problem turned out to be Sphincter of Oddi dysfunction which was blocking the gallbladder from emptying normally which is why I "failed" my Hida with CCK, so had my gallbladder removed -- but that didn't solve my problem. Several gastroenterologists and lots of tests later I was diagnosed with Sphincter of Oddi dysfunction, and have since had to learn a lot more than I wanted to about the upper GI... I ended up needing a sphincterotomy to get my Sphincter of Oddi working again, and my bile ducts to empty more or less properly. I deal with abdominal pain, back pain and nausea every day, along with C., and my body has never adapted to the loss of the gallbladder. A lot of patients with Sphincter of Oddi dysfunction have D. instead of C., by the way. And a lot of patients get Sphincter of Oddi dysfunction AFTER having their gallbladders removed...

It was a lot of work during my first year on SCD to figure out which permitted foods work best for my digestion. Eventually I reached good symptom management, and am doing fine as long as I stick to my "good" foods and work with my cranky upper GI, not stressing it in any way. I have to be super careful with fats, fiber and seasonings.

Anyway, don't let the D. go on too long. Check in with your gastroenterologist, and seek other opinions and testing too.

Kim M.

SCD 5+ years

>>>>>>>>>>

I have been experiencing D with bouts of normal BMs for about 6 weeks now. 4 weeks ago I had my gall bladder removed. Today I went back to the intro hoping it would help, but my D is like waterfalls!!! The one thing the intro diet has done is allieviate most of the pain.

[Guest guest]

Val

It usually takes 3 months for the body to adjust to the loss of a gallbladder, so you can expect problems for a while. While your body is adjusting, you'll need to be careful with fats and fiber, so going on the intro. diet or sticking to easy-to-digest foods for several weeks will also help.

You mention antibiotics. Are you getting a lot of mucuous with your D.? Have you checked that you don't have C. Difficile?

You also mention pain easing when you're on the intro. diet. I don't like to be the voice of doom here, but, according to statistics, 10% to 12% of patients do not recover or get worse after their gallbladder was removed. I'm one of those, so I've done a lot of reading on post-cholecystectomy syndrome...

My problem turned out to be Sphincter of Oddi dysfunction which was blocking the gallbladder from emptying normally which is why I "failed" my Hida with CCK, so had my gallbladder removed -- but that didn't solve my problem. Several gastroenterologists and lots of tests later I was diagnosed with Sphincter of Oddi dysfunction, and have since had to learn a lot more than I wanted to about the upper GI... I ended up needing a sphincterotomy to get my Sphincter of Oddi working again, and my bile ducts to empty more or less properly. I deal with abdominal pain, back pain and nausea every day, along with C., and my body has never adapted to the loss of the gallbladder. A lot of patients with Sphincter of Oddi dysfunction have D. instead of C., by the way. And a lot of patients get Sphincter of Oddi dysfunction AFTER having their gallbladders removed...

It was a lot of work during my first year on SCD to figure out which permitted foods work best for my digestion. Eventually I reached good symptom management, and am doing fine as long as I stick to my "good" foods and work with my cranky upper GI, not stressing it in any way. I have to be super careful with fats, fiber and seasonings.

Anyway, don't let the D. go on too long. Check in with your gastroenterologist, and seek other opinions and testing too.

Kim M.

SCD 5+ years

>>>>>>>>>>

I have been experiencing D with bouts of normal BMs for about 6 weeks now. 4 weeks ago I had my gall bladder removed. Today I went back to the intro hoping it would help, but my D is like waterfalls!!! The one thing the intro diet has done is allieviate most of the pain.

[Guest guest]

Hi,

No C. Difficile. I was tested. I have gluten and caesin allergy to cows milk.

Fats are not so bad. The fiber is more of a problem. The Hida revealed that my

gall bladder wasn't functioning. It was not able to absorb any of the

injection. When they removed the gall bladder there was a 2.5 inch stone in

there. He told me it was causing a blockage. I had a gall bladder attack 2

weeks prior to the one I had the Wednesday before the operation. This time I

went to the emergency room. Also, what I don't understand is that the stools

were getting less and less formed about 2 weeks before my first attack. This

was about the 12th week of SCD for me, which is usually the time where people

have relapses. If I was going through a relapse and agravated it with

everything that comes along with an operation, that could explain a lot.

I am going with your plan of easy to digest foods. I have also upped my meds.

I jumped from 3 400MG twice a day to 5 400MG tablets twice a day. If it is the

gall bladder causing all this, the meds won't do a thing for me. I have to fly

up north for a week in 2 weeks and I really want to get this worked out soon. I

will be staying at my old house on a blow up mattress with my year old daughter

while we put a roof on it. Then down to my in-laws for 3 days. There is

usually some drama there. So I need to figure out how I am going to manage

this.

Any ideas? eggs, hamburger meat. I think I have to get my good to eat foods

list together now, but as you know it takes a while to add them and figure it

out.

Thanks,

Val

>

> Val

>

> It usually takes 3 months for the body to adjust to the loss of a gallbladder,

so you can expect problems for a while. While your body is adjusting, you'll

need to be careful with fats and fiber, so going on the intro. diet or sticking

to easy-to-digest foods for several weeks will also help.

>

> You mention antibiotics. Are you getting a lot of mucuous with your D.? Have

you checked that you don't have C. Difficile?

>

> You also mention pain easing when you're on the intro. diet. I don't like to

be the voice of doom here, but, according to statistics, 10% to 12% of patients

do not recover or get worse after their gallbladder was removed. I'm one of

those, so I've done a lot of reading on post-cholecystectomy syndrome...

>

> My problem turned out to be Sphincter of Oddi dysfunction which was blocking

the gallbladder from emptying normally which is why I " failed " my Hida with CCK,

so had my gallbladder removed -- but that didn't solve my problem. Several

gastroenterologists and lots of tests later I was diagnosed with Sphincter of

Oddi dysfunction, and have since had to learn a lot more than I wanted to about

the upper GI... I ended up needing a sphincterotomy to get my Sphincter of Oddi

working again, and my bile ducts to empty more or less properly. I deal with

abdominal pain, back pain and nausea every day, along with C., and my body has

never adapted to the loss of the gallbladder. A lot of patients with Sphincter

of Oddi dysfunction have D. instead of C., by the way. And a lot of patients

get Sphincter of Oddi dysfunction AFTER having their gallbladders removed...

>

> It was a lot of work during my first year on SCD to figure out which permitted

foods work best for my digestion. Eventually I reached good symptom management,

and am doing fine as long as I stick to my " good " foods and work with my cranky

upper GI, not stressing it in any way. I have to be super careful with fats,

fiber and seasonings.

>

> Anyway, don't let the D. go on too long. Check in with your

gastroenterologist, and seek other opinions and testing too.

>

> Kim M.

> SCD 5+ years

>

> >>>>>>>>>>

> I have been experiencing D with bouts of normal BMs for about 6 weeks now. 4

weeks ago I had my gall bladder removed. Today I went back to the intro hoping

it would help, but my D is like waterfalls!!! The one thing the intro diet has

done is allieviate most of the pain.

>

[Guest guest]

Hi,

No C. Difficile. I was tested. I have gluten and caesin allergy to cows milk.

Fats are not so bad. The fiber is more of a problem. The Hida revealed that my

gall bladder wasn't functioning. It was not able to absorb any of the

injection. When they removed the gall bladder there was a 2.5 inch stone in

there. He told me it was causing a blockage. I had a gall bladder attack 2

weeks prior to the one I had the Wednesday before the operation. This time I

went to the emergency room. Also, what I don't understand is that the stools

were getting less and less formed about 2 weeks before my first attack. This

was about the 12th week of SCD for me, which is usually the time where people

have relapses. If I was going through a relapse and agravated it with

everything that comes along with an operation, that could explain a lot.

I am going with your plan of easy to digest foods. I have also upped my meds.

I jumped from 3 400MG twice a day to 5 400MG tablets twice a day. If it is the

gall bladder causing all this, the meds won't do a thing for me. I have to fly

up north for a week in 2 weeks and I really want to get this worked out soon. I

will be staying at my old house on a blow up mattress with my year old daughter

while we put a roof on it. Then down to my in-laws for 3 days. There is

usually some drama there. So I need to figure out how I am going to manage

this.

Any ideas? eggs, hamburger meat. I think I have to get my good to eat foods

list together now, but as you know it takes a while to add them and figure it

out.

Thanks,

Val

>

> Val

>

> It usually takes 3 months for the body to adjust to the loss of a gallbladder,

so you can expect problems for a while. While your body is adjusting, you'll

need to be careful with fats and fiber, so going on the intro. diet or sticking

to easy-to-digest foods for several weeks will also help.

>

> You mention antibiotics. Are you getting a lot of mucuous with your D.? Have

you checked that you don't have C. Difficile?

>

> You also mention pain easing when you're on the intro. diet. I don't like to

be the voice of doom here, but, according to statistics, 10% to 12% of patients

do not recover or get worse after their gallbladder was removed. I'm one of

those, so I've done a lot of reading on post-cholecystectomy syndrome...

>

> My problem turned out to be Sphincter of Oddi dysfunction which was blocking

the gallbladder from emptying normally which is why I " failed " my Hida with CCK,

so had my gallbladder removed -- but that didn't solve my problem. Several

gastroenterologists and lots of tests later I was diagnosed with Sphincter of

Oddi dysfunction, and have since had to learn a lot more than I wanted to about

the upper GI... I ended up needing a sphincterotomy to get my Sphincter of Oddi

working again, and my bile ducts to empty more or less properly. I deal with

abdominal pain, back pain and nausea every day, along with C., and my body has

never adapted to the loss of the gallbladder. A lot of patients with Sphincter

of Oddi dysfunction have D. instead of C., by the way. And a lot of patients

get Sphincter of Oddi dysfunction AFTER having their gallbladders removed...

>

> It was a lot of work during my first year on SCD to figure out which permitted

foods work best for my digestion. Eventually I reached good symptom management,

and am doing fine as long as I stick to my " good " foods and work with my cranky

upper GI, not stressing it in any way. I have to be super careful with fats,

fiber and seasonings.

>

> Anyway, don't let the D. go on too long. Check in with your

gastroenterologist, and seek other opinions and testing too.

>

> Kim M.

> SCD 5+ years

>

> >>>>>>>>>>

> I have been experiencing D with bouts of normal BMs for about 6 weeks now. 4

weeks ago I had my gall bladder removed. Today I went back to the intro hoping

it would help, but my D is like waterfalls!!! The one thing the intro diet has

done is allieviate most of the pain.

>

[Guest guest]

Hi,

No C. Difficile. I was tested. I have gluten and caesin allergy to cows milk.

Fats are not so bad. The fiber is more of a problem. The Hida revealed that my

gall bladder wasn't functioning. It was not able to absorb any of the

injection. When they removed the gall bladder there was a 2.5 inch stone in

there. He told me it was causing a blockage. I had a gall bladder attack 2

weeks prior to the one I had the Wednesday before the operation. This time I

went to the emergency room. Also, what I don't understand is that the stools

were getting less and less formed about 2 weeks before my first attack. This

was about the 12th week of SCD for me, which is usually the time where people

have relapses. If I was going through a relapse and agravated it with

everything that comes along with an operation, that could explain a lot.

I am going with your plan of easy to digest foods. I have also upped my meds.

I jumped from 3 400MG twice a day to 5 400MG tablets twice a day. If it is the

gall bladder causing all this, the meds won't do a thing for me. I have to fly

up north for a week in 2 weeks and I really want to get this worked out soon. I

will be staying at my old house on a blow up mattress with my year old daughter

while we put a roof on it. Then down to my in-laws for 3 days. There is

usually some drama there. So I need to figure out how I am going to manage

this.

Any ideas? eggs, hamburger meat. I think I have to get my good to eat foods

list together now, but as you know it takes a while to add them and figure it

out.

Thanks,

Val

>

> Val

>

> It usually takes 3 months for the body to adjust to the loss of a gallbladder,

so you can expect problems for a while. While your body is adjusting, you'll

need to be careful with fats and fiber, so going on the intro. diet or sticking

to easy-to-digest foods for several weeks will also help.

>

> You mention antibiotics. Are you getting a lot of mucuous with your D.? Have

you checked that you don't have C. Difficile?

>

> You also mention pain easing when you're on the intro. diet. I don't like to

be the voice of doom here, but, according to statistics, 10% to 12% of patients

do not recover or get worse after their gallbladder was removed. I'm one of

those, so I've done a lot of reading on post-cholecystectomy syndrome...

>

> My problem turned out to be Sphincter of Oddi dysfunction which was blocking

the gallbladder from emptying normally which is why I " failed " my Hida with CCK,

so had my gallbladder removed -- but that didn't solve my problem. Several

gastroenterologists and lots of tests later I was diagnosed with Sphincter of

Oddi dysfunction, and have since had to learn a lot more than I wanted to about

the upper GI... I ended up needing a sphincterotomy to get my Sphincter of Oddi

working again, and my bile ducts to empty more or less properly. I deal with

abdominal pain, back pain and nausea every day, along with C., and my body has

never adapted to the loss of the gallbladder. A lot of patients with Sphincter

of Oddi dysfunction have D. instead of C., by the way. And a lot of patients

get Sphincter of Oddi dysfunction AFTER having their gallbladders removed...

>

> It was a lot of work during my first year on SCD to figure out which permitted

foods work best for my digestion. Eventually I reached good symptom management,

and am doing fine as long as I stick to my " good " foods and work with my cranky

upper GI, not stressing it in any way. I have to be super careful with fats,

fiber and seasonings.

>

> Anyway, don't let the D. go on too long. Check in with your

gastroenterologist, and seek other opinions and testing too.

>

> Kim M.

> SCD 5+ years

>

> >>>>>>>>>>

> I have been experiencing D with bouts of normal BMs for about 6 weeks now. 4

weeks ago I had my gall bladder removed. Today I went back to the intro hoping

it would help, but my D is like waterfalls!!! The one thing the intro diet has

done is allieviate most of the pain.

>

[Guest guest]

Look what Marilyn wrote to someone. I wonder if this applies to me and my

operation made it worse. As I mentioned before 2 weeks prior to the operation I

began with the D. I thought it was the three month flare begining at 10 weeks

as opposed to 12 weeks. With the stuff that happened due to the operation, I

hope that after going through the intro I don't get to hit another 3 month

flare!!! What do you guys think, does it apply?

Re: Relapse

What I suspect you're hitting is something called " the three month flare. " As

you're aware, the objective of SCD is to starve out the bad bacteria. Well, it

has been observed that right around three months on the diet, you've done such a

good job of starving them that their numbers are dropping rapidly. You've gotten

rid of most of the weak sisters amongst the bad bacteria and the remaining ones

are the stronger ones.

So in effect, right now, you're saying, " Away with you! " and they're saying

" H-ll no, we won't go! " and creating havoc for you. So it is absolutely critical

that you hold fast at this point and not eat any illegals, because if you feed

the bacteria right now, you'll let those stronger ones multiple, and then

they'll be that much harder to starve out.

The " three month flare " can occur anywhere from 9 weeks to 16 weeks. It can also

occur again at 6-7 months, and 10-12 months. Those bacteria are stubborn. But

YOU are more stubborn.

My suggestion would be to drop back to easier-to-digest foods for a couple of

days, which you say you've already done. Rest as much as possible, and don't

push. Then gradually (probably not quite so gradually as the first time)

reintroduce your regular foods.

— Marilyn

New Orleans, Louisiana, USA

Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

Darn Good SCD Cook

No Human Children

Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

>

> Hi,

>

> I have been experiencing D with bouts of normal BMs for about 6 weeks now. 4

weeks ago I had my gall bladder removed. Today I went back to the intro hoping

it would help, but my D is like waterfalls!!! The one thing the intro diet has

done is allieviate most of the pain. I thought doing the intro again may wipe

out any of the bad bacteria that may have developed because of the antibiotics

administered for the operation. I was in the hospital for 4 days. I have no

idea how much or for how long I was given antibiotics. I was flat out on my

back thankful for the drugs that allieviated the pain of the gall bladder

attacks.

>

> Has anyone else experienced this? Is it possible that the SCD won't work for

me? I don't know where the light at the end of this tunnel is. I just want to

get to a better place and be in a place of progressive healing. I was happy

there.

>

> Has anyone experienced something similar? I know I am supposed to experience

setbacks but for how long can they last? I am getting discouraged because D has

been going on for 25% of the time that I have been on the diet thus far. I have

upped my meds by 800 MG again and it is not working! I was down to 800 MG when

this started.

>

> I know it is only day 1 of the intro again, but I am getting afraid that I

will never get better. I am hoping I am over reacting.

>

> Thanks,

> Val

> SCD 4 months

> asacol 2400MG

> UC 3 years

>

[Guest guest]

Look what Marilyn wrote to someone. I wonder if this applies to me and my

operation made it worse. As I mentioned before 2 weeks prior to the operation I

began with the D. I thought it was the three month flare begining at 10 weeks

as opposed to 12 weeks. With the stuff that happened due to the operation, I

hope that after going through the intro I don't get to hit another 3 month

flare!!! What do you guys think, does it apply?

Re: Relapse

What I suspect you're hitting is something called " the three month flare. " As

you're aware, the objective of SCD is to starve out the bad bacteria. Well, it

has been observed that right around three months on the diet, you've done such a

good job of starving them that their numbers are dropping rapidly. You've gotten

rid of most of the weak sisters amongst the bad bacteria and the remaining ones

are the stronger ones.

So in effect, right now, you're saying, " Away with you! " and they're saying

" H-ll no, we won't go! " and creating havoc for you. So it is absolutely critical

that you hold fast at this point and not eat any illegals, because if you feed

the bacteria right now, you'll let those stronger ones multiple, and then

they'll be that much harder to starve out.

The " three month flare " can occur anywhere from 9 weeks to 16 weeks. It can also

occur again at 6-7 months, and 10-12 months. Those bacteria are stubborn. But

YOU are more stubborn.

My suggestion would be to drop back to easier-to-digest foods for a couple of

days, which you say you've already done. Rest as much as possible, and don't

push. Then gradually (probably not quite so gradually as the first time)

reintroduce your regular foods.

— Marilyn

New Orleans, Louisiana, USA

Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

Darn Good SCD Cook

No Human Children

Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

>

> Hi,

>

> I have been experiencing D with bouts of normal BMs for about 6 weeks now. 4

weeks ago I had my gall bladder removed. Today I went back to the intro hoping

it would help, but my D is like waterfalls!!! The one thing the intro diet has

done is allieviate most of the pain. I thought doing the intro again may wipe

out any of the bad bacteria that may have developed because of the antibiotics

administered for the operation. I was in the hospital for 4 days. I have no

idea how much or for how long I was given antibiotics. I was flat out on my

back thankful for the drugs that allieviated the pain of the gall bladder

attacks.

>

> Has anyone else experienced this? Is it possible that the SCD won't work for

me? I don't know where the light at the end of this tunnel is. I just want to

get to a better place and be in a place of progressive healing. I was happy

there.

>

> Has anyone experienced something similar? I know I am supposed to experience

setbacks but for how long can they last? I am getting discouraged because D has

been going on for 25% of the time that I have been on the diet thus far. I have

upped my meds by 800 MG again and it is not working! I was down to 800 MG when

this started.

>

> I know it is only day 1 of the intro again, but I am getting afraid that I

will never get better. I am hoping I am over reacting.

>

> Thanks,

> Val

> SCD 4 months

> asacol 2400MG

> UC 3 years

>

[Guest guest]

Look what Marilyn wrote to someone. I wonder if this applies to me and my

operation made it worse. As I mentioned before 2 weeks prior to the operation I

began with the D. I thought it was the three month flare begining at 10 weeks

as opposed to 12 weeks. With the stuff that happened due to the operation, I

hope that after going through the intro I don't get to hit another 3 month

flare!!! What do you guys think, does it apply?

Re: Relapse

What I suspect you're hitting is something called " the three month flare. " As

you're aware, the objective of SCD is to starve out the bad bacteria. Well, it

has been observed that right around three months on the diet, you've done such a

good job of starving them that their numbers are dropping rapidly. You've gotten

rid of most of the weak sisters amongst the bad bacteria and the remaining ones

are the stronger ones.

So in effect, right now, you're saying, " Away with you! " and they're saying

" H-ll no, we won't go! " and creating havoc for you. So it is absolutely critical

that you hold fast at this point and not eat any illegals, because if you feed

the bacteria right now, you'll let those stronger ones multiple, and then

they'll be that much harder to starve out.

The " three month flare " can occur anywhere from 9 weeks to 16 weeks. It can also

occur again at 6-7 months, and 10-12 months. Those bacteria are stubborn. But

YOU are more stubborn.

My suggestion would be to drop back to easier-to-digest foods for a couple of

days, which you say you've already done. Rest as much as possible, and don't

push. Then gradually (probably not quite so gradually as the first time)

reintroduce your regular foods.

— Marilyn

New Orleans, Louisiana, USA

Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

Darn Good SCD Cook

No Human Children

Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

>

> Hi,

>

> I have been experiencing D with bouts of normal BMs for about 6 weeks now. 4

weeks ago I had my gall bladder removed. Today I went back to the intro hoping

it would help, but my D is like waterfalls!!! The one thing the intro diet has

done is allieviate most of the pain. I thought doing the intro again may wipe

out any of the bad bacteria that may have developed because of the antibiotics

administered for the operation. I was in the hospital for 4 days. I have no

idea how much or for how long I was given antibiotics. I was flat out on my

back thankful for the drugs that allieviated the pain of the gall bladder

attacks.

>

> Has anyone else experienced this? Is it possible that the SCD won't work for

me? I don't know where the light at the end of this tunnel is. I just want to

get to a better place and be in a place of progressive healing. I was happy

there.

>

> Has anyone experienced something similar? I know I am supposed to experience

setbacks but for how long can they last? I am getting discouraged because D has

been going on for 25% of the time that I have been on the diet thus far. I have

upped my meds by 800 MG again and it is not working! I was down to 800 MG when

this started.

>

> I know it is only day 1 of the intro again, but I am getting afraid that I

will never get better. I am hoping I am over reacting.

>

> Thanks,

> Val

> SCD 4 months

> asacol 2400MG

> UC 3 years

>

[Guest guest]

chiro as in chiropracter?Yep. Sorry! Peace =)Alyssa 15 yoUC April 2008, dx Sept 2008SCD June 2009 (restarted)No meds!

[Guest guest]

chiro as in chiropracter?Yep. Sorry! Peace =)Alyssa 15 yoUC April 2008, dx Sept 2008SCD June 2009 (restarted)No meds!

[Guest guest]

chiro as in chiropracter?Yep. Sorry! Peace =)Alyssa 15 yoUC April 2008, dx Sept 2008SCD June 2009 (restarted)No meds!

[Guest guest]

I certainly think your operation made things worse – gallbladder

surgery falls into the category of major surgery to me. If it’s any

comfort, I had the “three month flare” more times than I can count

for the first, oh, 4 years on the diet. In between those rare days when I had 2-3

formed bms/day I would have D 2-3 times/day for weeks on end – never as

bad as pre-SCD, but watery or poorly formed. It does get better – I rarely

have D nowadays.

So, yikes, your body is trying to heal from many locations

at once. I’d say the D is probably associated with the amount of stress

your body is dealing with right now. After everything I’ve read about

bone broths that is what I would recommend you eat everyday (if you are not

already doing so). You know the drill by now – easy to digest foods (and

lots of bone broth/soups). And rest. Rest is looking impossible for you in the

upcoming weeks. That may prolong your flare, so rest up when you return home

would be my advice to you. From my own experience the body is pretty resilient,

so hang in there. I do hope you feel better ASAP.

Carol

CD 21 yrs SCD 5 yrs B12 shot & LDN cream (4 mo.)

From:

BTVC-SCD [mailto:BTVC-SCD ] On Behalf Of valeriec68

Look what Marilyn wrote to someone. I wonder if

this applies to me and my operation made it worse. As I mentioned before 2

weeks prior to the operation I began with the D. I thought it was the three

month flare begining at 10 weeks as opposed to 12 weeks. With the stuff that

happened due to the operation, I hope that after going through the intro I

don't get to hit another 3 month flare!!! What do you guys think, does it apply?

[Guest guest]

I certainly think your operation made things worse – gallbladder

surgery falls into the category of major surgery to me. If it’s any

comfort, I had the “three month flare” more times than I can count

for the first, oh, 4 years on the diet. In between those rare days when I had 2-3

formed bms/day I would have D 2-3 times/day for weeks on end – never as

bad as pre-SCD, but watery or poorly formed. It does get better – I rarely

have D nowadays.

So, yikes, your body is trying to heal from many locations

at once. I’d say the D is probably associated with the amount of stress

your body is dealing with right now. After everything I’ve read about

bone broths that is what I would recommend you eat everyday (if you are not

already doing so). You know the drill by now – easy to digest foods (and

lots of bone broth/soups). And rest. Rest is looking impossible for you in the

upcoming weeks. That may prolong your flare, so rest up when you return home

would be my advice to you. From my own experience the body is pretty resilient,

so hang in there. I do hope you feel better ASAP.

Carol

CD 21 yrs SCD 5 yrs B12 shot & LDN cream (4 mo.)

From:

BTVC-SCD [mailto:BTVC-SCD ] On Behalf Of valeriec68

Look what Marilyn wrote to someone. I wonder if

this applies to me and my operation made it worse. As I mentioned before 2

weeks prior to the operation I began with the D. I thought it was the three

month flare begining at 10 weeks as opposed to 12 weeks. With the stuff that

happened due to the operation, I hope that after going through the intro I

don't get to hit another 3 month flare!!! What do you guys think, does it apply?

[Guest guest]

I certainly think your operation made things worse – gallbladder

surgery falls into the category of major surgery to me. If it’s any

comfort, I had the “three month flare” more times than I can count

for the first, oh, 4 years on the diet. In between those rare days when I had 2-3

formed bms/day I would have D 2-3 times/day for weeks on end – never as

bad as pre-SCD, but watery or poorly formed. It does get better – I rarely

have D nowadays.

So, yikes, your body is trying to heal from many locations

at once. I’d say the D is probably associated with the amount of stress

your body is dealing with right now. After everything I’ve read about

bone broths that is what I would recommend you eat everyday (if you are not

already doing so). You know the drill by now – easy to digest foods (and

lots of bone broth/soups). And rest. Rest is looking impossible for you in the

upcoming weeks. That may prolong your flare, so rest up when you return home

would be my advice to you. From my own experience the body is pretty resilient,

so hang in there. I do hope you feel better ASAP.

Carol

CD 21 yrs SCD 5 yrs B12 shot & LDN cream (4 mo.)

From:

BTVC-SCD [mailto:BTVC-SCD ] On Behalf Of valeriec68

Look what Marilyn wrote to someone. I wonder if

this applies to me and my operation made it worse. As I mentioned before 2

weeks prior to the operation I began with the D. I thought it was the three

month flare begining at 10 weeks as opposed to 12 weeks. With the stuff that

happened due to the operation, I hope that after going through the intro I

don't get to hit another 3 month flare!!! What do you guys think, does it apply?

[Guest guest]

One other thought about losing your gall bladder. My brother had his

out many many years ago and one time I asked him if he had trouble

with fats or anything. He said they had told him, and it proved to be

true (at least for him), that he needed to settle on a diet, in other

words, fairly steady proportions of protein, fats, and carbs. The

gall bladder-less body then got used to this (but I don't know how

long it took) and he had no problems. But if he ate " out " of his

accustomed range, he would have problems. What I'm wondering is if

working through SCD one would have to be even more careful about

these proportions or else have to face the consequences. If it were

me, any kind of surgery would upset my gut for awhile, wouldn't have

to be gall bladder.

[Guest guest]

Hi,

They told me to watch the fats in the begining. I heard from someone else on

line to watch the fiber too. Unfortunately it is extremely difficult to tell

what is gall bladder and what is UC. That is why I posted a really gross

question about die-off. If I could be sure that I was seeing die-off I would

lean toward my 3 month flare. Which was due at the time of the operation. I

have such wonderful timing. I suspect the gall bladder was acting up for a

while. I had my daughter 16 months prior to surgery. I had gotten down to my

pre-pregnancy weight and still looked bloated. Since the gall bladder is gone I

don't look as bloated to the tune of lossing an entire pants size but still

weigh close to the same, the last I checked. I am now back to my pre-pregnancy

size. All the bloat around my upper abdomin is gone. Alot of the tummy is

going. I never was thin. I am hoping between SCD and the gall bladder being

gone I will loose weight that was impossible for me to loose with out having to

go above and beyond what everyone else seems to do. When I was diagnosed with

UC what bugged me is there was no weight loss. How could that be? But I guess

there are others who don't loose or maybe its the Asacol.

I am hoping and leaning toward what I am feeling is the 3 month flare. I don't

know if I have any problem digesting fat or fiber. I have a problem digesting

anything that is not a level 1 or intro food. the chicken soup is helping

amazingly. And come to think of it I have been using SCD legal Mayo on my meat

patties(only so much dry I can handle) and haven't had an issue. I still have D

but no pain. Wouldn't I have pain if fat were an issue? I don't know!!!

Confused

Val

>

> One other thought about losing your gall bladder. My brother had his

> out many many years ago and one time I asked him if he had trouble

> with fats or anything. He said they had told him, and it proved to be

> true (at least for him), that he needed to settle on a diet, in other

> words, fairly steady proportions of protein, fats, and carbs. The

> gall bladder-less body then got used to this (but I don't know how

> long it took) and he had no problems. But if he ate " out " of his

> accustomed range, he would have problems. What I'm wondering is if

> working through SCD one would have to be even more careful about

> these proportions or else have to face the consequences. If it were

> me, any kind of surgery would upset my gut for awhile, wouldn't have

> to be gall bladder.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi,

They told me to watch the fats in the begining. I heard from someone else on

line to watch the fiber too. Unfortunately it is extremely difficult to tell

what is gall bladder and what is UC. That is why I posted a really gross

question about die-off. If I could be sure that I was seeing die-off I would

lean toward my 3 month flare. Which was due at the time of the operation. I

have such wonderful timing. I suspect the gall bladder was acting up for a

while. I had my daughter 16 months prior to surgery. I had gotten down to my

pre-pregnancy weight and still looked bloated. Since the gall bladder is gone I

don't look as bloated to the tune of lossing an entire pants size but still

weigh close to the same, the last I checked. I am now back to my pre-pregnancy

size. All the bloat around my upper abdomin is gone. Alot of the tummy is

going. I never was thin. I am hoping between SCD and the gall bladder being

gone I will loose weight that was impossible for me to loose with out having to

go above and beyond what everyone else seems to do. When I was diagnosed with

UC what bugged me is there was no weight loss. How could that be? But I guess

there are others who don't loose or maybe its the Asacol.

I am hoping and leaning toward what I am feeling is the 3 month flare. I don't

know if I have any problem digesting fat or fiber. I have a problem digesting

anything that is not a level 1 or intro food. the chicken soup is helping

amazingly. And come to think of it I have been using SCD legal Mayo on my meat

patties(only so much dry I can handle) and haven't had an issue. I still have D

but no pain. Wouldn't I have pain if fat were an issue? I don't know!!!

Confused

Val

>

> One other thought about losing your gall bladder. My brother had his

> out many many years ago and one time I asked him if he had trouble

> with fats or anything. He said they had told him, and it proved to be

> true (at least for him), that he needed to settle on a diet, in other

> words, fairly steady proportions of protein, fats, and carbs. The

> gall bladder-less body then got used to this (but I don't know how

> long it took) and he had no problems. But if he ate " out " of his

> accustomed range, he would have problems. What I'm wondering is if

> working through SCD one would have to be even more careful about

> these proportions or else have to face the consequences. If it were

> me, any kind of surgery would upset my gut for awhile, wouldn't have

> to be gall bladder.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi,

They told me to watch the fats in the begining. I heard from someone else on

line to watch the fiber too. Unfortunately it is extremely difficult to tell

what is gall bladder and what is UC. That is why I posted a really gross

question about die-off. If I could be sure that I was seeing die-off I would

lean toward my 3 month flare. Which was due at the time of the operation. I

have such wonderful timing. I suspect the gall bladder was acting up for a

while. I had my daughter 16 months prior to surgery. I had gotten down to my

pre-pregnancy weight and still looked bloated. Since the gall bladder is gone I

don't look as bloated to the tune of lossing an entire pants size but still

weigh close to the same, the last I checked. I am now back to my pre-pregnancy

size. All the bloat around my upper abdomin is gone. Alot of the tummy is

going. I never was thin. I am hoping between SCD and the gall bladder being

gone I will loose weight that was impossible for me to loose with out having to

go above and beyond what everyone else seems to do. When I was diagnosed with

UC what bugged me is there was no weight loss. How could that be? But I guess

there are others who don't loose or maybe its the Asacol.

I am hoping and leaning toward what I am feeling is the 3 month flare. I don't

know if I have any problem digesting fat or fiber. I have a problem digesting

anything that is not a level 1 or intro food. the chicken soup is helping

amazingly. And come to think of it I have been using SCD legal Mayo on my meat

patties(only so much dry I can handle) and haven't had an issue. I still have D

but no pain. Wouldn't I have pain if fat were an issue? I don't know!!!

Confused

Val

>

> One other thought about losing your gall bladder. My brother had his

> out many many years ago and one time I asked him if he had trouble

> with fats or anything. He said they had told him, and it proved to be

> true (at least for him), that he needed to settle on a diet, in other

> words, fairly steady proportions of protein, fats, and carbs. The

> gall bladder-less body then got used to this (but I don't know how

> long it took) and he had no problems. But if he ate " out " of his

> accustomed range, he would have problems. What I'm wondering is if

> working through SCD one would have to be even more careful about

> these proportions or else have to face the consequences. If it were

> me, any kind of surgery would upset my gut for awhile, wouldn't have

> to be gall bladder.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

At 01:17 PM 10/23/2009, you wrote:

If it were me, any kind of

surgery would upset my gut for awhile,

Sure will! The anesthesia puts your gut to sleep and it takes awhile to

get back to full efficiency.

My oncologist said clear liquids, thick liwuids, soft foods, then normal

foods, in that order. I omitted all raw vegetables until I was off the

opiate pain killers, and she said that was a very good idea, since my gut

would also be at less than peak efficiency under the opiates.

—

Marilyn

New

Orleans, Louisiana, USA

Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

Darn Good SCD Cook

No Human Children

Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

[Guest guest]

At 01:17 PM 10/23/2009, you wrote:

If it were me, any kind of

surgery would upset my gut for awhile,

Sure will! The anesthesia puts your gut to sleep and it takes awhile to

get back to full efficiency.

My oncologist said clear liquids, thick liwuids, soft foods, then normal

foods, in that order. I omitted all raw vegetables until I was off the

opiate pain killers, and she said that was a very good idea, since my gut

would also be at less than peak efficiency under the opiates.

—

Marilyn

New

Orleans, Louisiana, USA

Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

Darn Good SCD Cook

No Human Children

Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund