Guest guest Posted April 17, 2001 Report Share Posted April 17, 2001 All I can say is that there is a nursing shortage. That is what i hear. NY is a very popular and populated city too. The rents and cost of living here are sky high ($2400/month for a 1 bedroom/terrace in doorman building) but i dont think that has to do with hospital care. Hopefully what happened to me was isolated although from speaking with others it was not. My sister said that what happened to me was unacceptable but not uncommon. She works in a NY hospital. She said it wasnt necessarily Mt. Sinai. unfortunately people are very busy, But NY is a GREAT place. I love it. Jill K in NY __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2001 Report Share Posted April 17, 2001 All I can say is that there is a nursing shortage. That is what i hear. NY is a very popular and populated city too. The rents and cost of living here are sky high ($2400/month for a 1 bedroom/terrace in doorman building) but i dont think that has to do with hospital care. Hopefully what happened to me was isolated although from speaking with others it was not. My sister said that what happened to me was unacceptable but not uncommon. She works in a NY hospital. She said it wasnt necessarily Mt. Sinai. unfortunately people are very busy, But NY is a GREAT place. I love it. Jill K in NY __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2001 Report Share Posted April 17, 2001 All I can say is that there is a nursing shortage. That is what i hear. NY is a very popular and populated city too. The rents and cost of living here are sky high ($2400/month for a 1 bedroom/terrace in doorman building) but i dont think that has to do with hospital care. Hopefully what happened to me was isolated although from speaking with others it was not. My sister said that what happened to me was unacceptable but not uncommon. She works in a NY hospital. She said it wasnt necessarily Mt. Sinai. unfortunately people are very busy, But NY is a GREAT place. I love it. Jill K in NY __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2001 Report Share Posted April 17, 2001 Hello, I had surgery at Mount Sinai, on the 11th of January and I had a good experience and I had no private help, The nurses came when I called and over all it really was not as bad as people make it seem. Dr. Gagner is very well respected at the hospital and his patients are treated well. My mother is in medicine and works at two NYC hospitals she commented on how good it was. The only problem was with the transport people they left me in radiology for hours just lying on a stretcher on till a nurse called to see what was taking so long. I guess my experience was also made easier by my having a relatively easy recovery. Dana-Joy Dr. Gagner Pre-OP- BMI 52 Weight 305 13 Week - BMI 39 Weight 225 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2001 Report Share Posted April 17, 2001 Hello, I had surgery at Mount Sinai, on the 11th of January and I had a good experience and I had no private help, The nurses came when I called and over all it really was not as bad as people make it seem. Dr. Gagner is very well respected at the hospital and his patients are treated well. My mother is in medicine and works at two NYC hospitals she commented on how good it was. The only problem was with the transport people they left me in radiology for hours just lying on a stretcher on till a nurse called to see what was taking so long. I guess my experience was also made easier by my having a relatively easy recovery. Dana-Joy Dr. Gagner Pre-OP- BMI 52 Weight 305 13 Week - BMI 39 Weight 225 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2001 Report Share Posted April 17, 2001 > I hope that the negatives about Dr. Gagner and his nurse don't > reflect on the rest of the team. >>>> Ellen: I have not heard many negatives about Dr. Gagner himself -- he actually pioneered the laparoscopic BPD/DS procedure and is the Chief of the Laparoscopic Division at Mt. Sinai. :) If you are referring to the staple mishap, this could have happened to anyone. There have been quite a few cases of people I've known who have had surgeons other than Dr. Gagner in the practice who have had leaks/blockages and required a second surgery which was performed OPEN. Yet, I have consistently heard that, despite difficulties (excessive adhesions, staple mishap, etc.) Dr. Gagner manages to perform complicated second surgeries laparoscopically. Jill even attested that, despite this unanticipated development, Dr. Gagner completed the operation laparoscopically. I think that is definately a testament to the man's skills and talent. My point is that every surgeon has his/her complications and problems in the OR and immediately post-op. Overall, I can firmly state that Dr. Gagner has a sterling reputation and is an excellent surgeon. There have been quite a few problems with Ivonne - In fact, she USED to be Dr. Herron's nurse as well. She now only works with Dr. Gagner's patients. I am not sure why these problems between patients and staff have continued for such an extended period of time nor do I know anything about the conversations that have gone on between Dr. Gagner and Ivonne. I encourage anyone (and I have privately e-mailed Jill to this effect) to e-mail their surgeon and formally complain in the event substandard behavior or lack of response to patient concerns. But, I am SURE that Dr. Gagner will continue to be a top choice for those who choose Mt. Sinai and, as head of the department, he is proud of the reputation of his fellow surgeons. all the best, laparoscopic BPD/DS with gallbladder removal Dr. Gagner/Dr. Quinn assisting/Mt. Sinai/NYC January 25, 2001 86 days post-op and st Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2001 Report Share Posted April 17, 2001 > I hope that the negatives about Dr. Gagner and his nurse don't > reflect on the rest of the team. >>>> Ellen: I have not heard many negatives about Dr. Gagner himself -- he actually pioneered the laparoscopic BPD/DS procedure and is the Chief of the Laparoscopic Division at Mt. Sinai. :) If you are referring to the staple mishap, this could have happened to anyone. There have been quite a few cases of people I've known who have had surgeons other than Dr. Gagner in the practice who have had leaks/blockages and required a second surgery which was performed OPEN. Yet, I have consistently heard that, despite difficulties (excessive adhesions, staple mishap, etc.) Dr. Gagner manages to perform complicated second surgeries laparoscopically. Jill even attested that, despite this unanticipated development, Dr. Gagner completed the operation laparoscopically. I think that is definately a testament to the man's skills and talent. My point is that every surgeon has his/her complications and problems in the OR and immediately post-op. Overall, I can firmly state that Dr. Gagner has a sterling reputation and is an excellent surgeon. There have been quite a few problems with Ivonne - In fact, she USED to be Dr. Herron's nurse as well. She now only works with Dr. Gagner's patients. I am not sure why these problems between patients and staff have continued for such an extended period of time nor do I know anything about the conversations that have gone on between Dr. Gagner and Ivonne. I encourage anyone (and I have privately e-mailed Jill to this effect) to e-mail their surgeon and formally complain in the event substandard behavior or lack of response to patient concerns. But, I am SURE that Dr. Gagner will continue to be a top choice for those who choose Mt. Sinai and, as head of the department, he is proud of the reputation of his fellow surgeons. all the best, laparoscopic BPD/DS with gallbladder removal Dr. Gagner/Dr. Quinn assisting/Mt. Sinai/NYC January 25, 2001 86 days post-op and st Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2001 Report Share Posted April 17, 2001 There is a nursing shortage in different parts of the country. For some reasons nursing isn't a very attractive field for alot of young people. It could be the job and the pay and the fact that if you go to med or law school or get your MBA you will be making a great living versus wiping butts and giving meds and saving lives and making $40K. There is a shortage and incentives must be found to get people into the field. Some hospitals have to close beds and limit admissions. They try to keep surgery going because that is a money maker. In a message dated Tue, 17 Apr 2001 2:03:34 PM Eastern Daylight Time, becki becki beckeye_58@...> writes: << hi all. I read with interest people's stories of Mt. Sinai. Can anyone tell me who's lived other places, is the medical care in NY all like this? All the things about hiring companions and private duty nurses... goodness. I've been in the hospitals in Portland a number of times, as have family members. The nurses take care of the patients. Isn't that what they're there for? It sounds like in NY if you don't have private help you could be in serious jeopardy health wise. That doesn't make any sense to me. Why don't they just hire more nurses? I'm sure they're charging your insurance company enough for the privilege of caring for you. I can't imagine having to hire any kind of in hospital help in Portland. So which is more typical....Portland, or New York? I know NY has a high cost of living...the nearby hotels being in the 175-200 per night range. You can get a halfway decent motel room near Good Sam for around 75 per night. Is that the reason the care is so poor...cost of living? Are the hospital and surgeon's fees much higher there? The total package with Dr. Welker at OHSU, when I had checked into that, barring complications, was about 30,000. What's it run at Mt. Sinai with Dr. Gagner or his cohorts? enquiring minds and all that becki ===== Becki, near Portland, OR BMI 50-ish, age 42 pre-op DS. hoping to get approval through Aetna Traditional Choice Consulted with Dr. on 3-13-01 psych ok, nutrition ok, now on to insurance!!! beckeye_58@... __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2001 Report Share Posted April 17, 2001 There is a nursing shortage in different parts of the country. For some reasons nursing isn't a very attractive field for alot of young people. It could be the job and the pay and the fact that if you go to med or law school or get your MBA you will be making a great living versus wiping butts and giving meds and saving lives and making $40K. There is a shortage and incentives must be found to get people into the field. Some hospitals have to close beds and limit admissions. They try to keep surgery going because that is a money maker. In a message dated Tue, 17 Apr 2001 2:03:34 PM Eastern Daylight Time, becki becki beckeye_58@...> writes: << hi all. I read with interest people's stories of Mt. Sinai. Can anyone tell me who's lived other places, is the medical care in NY all like this? All the things about hiring companions and private duty nurses... goodness. I've been in the hospitals in Portland a number of times, as have family members. The nurses take care of the patients. Isn't that what they're there for? It sounds like in NY if you don't have private help you could be in serious jeopardy health wise. That doesn't make any sense to me. Why don't they just hire more nurses? I'm sure they're charging your insurance company enough for the privilege of caring for you. I can't imagine having to hire any kind of in hospital help in Portland. So which is more typical....Portland, or New York? I know NY has a high cost of living...the nearby hotels being in the 175-200 per night range. You can get a halfway decent motel room near Good Sam for around 75 per night. Is that the reason the care is so poor...cost of living? Are the hospital and surgeon's fees much higher there? The total package with Dr. Welker at OHSU, when I had checked into that, barring complications, was about 30,000. What's it run at Mt. Sinai with Dr. Gagner or his cohorts? enquiring minds and all that becki ===== Becki, near Portland, OR BMI 50-ish, age 42 pre-op DS. hoping to get approval through Aetna Traditional Choice Consulted with Dr. on 3-13-01 psych ok, nutrition ok, now on to insurance!!! beckeye_58@... __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2001 Report Share Posted April 17, 2001 There is a nursing shortage in different parts of the country. For some reasons nursing isn't a very attractive field for alot of young people. It could be the job and the pay and the fact that if you go to med or law school or get your MBA you will be making a great living versus wiping butts and giving meds and saving lives and making $40K. There is a shortage and incentives must be found to get people into the field. Some hospitals have to close beds and limit admissions. They try to keep surgery going because that is a money maker. In a message dated Tue, 17 Apr 2001 2:03:34 PM Eastern Daylight Time, becki becki beckeye_58@...> writes: << hi all. I read with interest people's stories of Mt. Sinai. Can anyone tell me who's lived other places, is the medical care in NY all like this? All the things about hiring companions and private duty nurses... goodness. I've been in the hospitals in Portland a number of times, as have family members. The nurses take care of the patients. Isn't that what they're there for? It sounds like in NY if you don't have private help you could be in serious jeopardy health wise. That doesn't make any sense to me. Why don't they just hire more nurses? I'm sure they're charging your insurance company enough for the privilege of caring for you. I can't imagine having to hire any kind of in hospital help in Portland. So which is more typical....Portland, or New York? I know NY has a high cost of living...the nearby hotels being in the 175-200 per night range. You can get a halfway decent motel room near Good Sam for around 75 per night. Is that the reason the care is so poor...cost of living? Are the hospital and surgeon's fees much higher there? The total package with Dr. Welker at OHSU, when I had checked into that, barring complications, was about 30,000. What's it run at Mt. Sinai with Dr. Gagner or his cohorts? enquiring minds and all that becki ===== Becki, near Portland, OR BMI 50-ish, age 42 pre-op DS. hoping to get approval through Aetna Traditional Choice Consulted with Dr. on 3-13-01 psych ok, nutrition ok, now on to insurance!!! beckeye_58@... __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2001 Report Share Posted April 17, 2001 There is a nursing shortage in different parts of the country. For some reasons nursing isn't a very attractive field for alot of young people. It could be the job and the pay and the fact that if you go to med or law school or get your MBA you will be making a great living versus wiping butts and giving meds and saving lives and making $40K. There is a shortage and incentives must be found to get people into the field. Some hospitals have to close beds and limit admissions. They try to keep surgery going because that is a money maker. In a message dated Tue, 17 Apr 2001 2:03:34 PM Eastern Daylight Time, becki becki beckeye_58@...> writes: << hi all. I read with interest people's stories of Mt. Sinai. Can anyone tell me who's lived other places, is the medical care in NY all like this? All the things about hiring companions and private duty nurses... goodness. I've been in the hospitals in Portland a number of times, as have family members. The nurses take care of the patients. Isn't that what they're there for? It sounds like in NY if you don't have private help you could be in serious jeopardy health wise. That doesn't make any sense to me. Why don't they just hire more nurses? I'm sure they're charging your insurance company enough for the privilege of caring for you. I can't imagine having to hire any kind of in hospital help in Portland. So which is more typical....Portland, or New York? I know NY has a high cost of living...the nearby hotels being in the 175-200 per night range. You can get a halfway decent motel room near Good Sam for around 75 per night. Is that the reason the care is so poor...cost of living? Are the hospital and surgeon's fees much higher there? The total package with Dr. Welker at OHSU, when I had checked into that, barring complications, was about 30,000. What's it run at Mt. Sinai with Dr. Gagner or his cohorts? enquiring minds and all that becki ===== Becki, near Portland, OR BMI 50-ish, age 42 pre-op DS. hoping to get approval through Aetna Traditional Choice Consulted with Dr. on 3-13-01 psych ok, nutrition ok, now on to insurance!!! beckeye_58@... __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2001 Report Share Posted April 17, 2001 There is a nursing shortage in different parts of the country. For some reasons nursing isn't a very attractive field for alot of young people. It could be the job and the pay and the fact that if you go to med or law school or get your MBA you will be making a great living versus wiping butts and giving meds and saving lives and making $40K. There is a shortage and incentives must be found to get people into the field. Some hospitals have to close beds and limit admissions. They try to keep surgery going because that is a money maker. In a message dated Tue, 17 Apr 2001 2:03:34 PM Eastern Daylight Time, becki becki beckeye_58@...> writes: << hi all. I read with interest people's stories of Mt. Sinai. Can anyone tell me who's lived other places, is the medical care in NY all like this? All the things about hiring companions and private duty nurses... goodness. I've been in the hospitals in Portland a number of times, as have family members. The nurses take care of the patients. Isn't that what they're there for? It sounds like in NY if you don't have private help you could be in serious jeopardy health wise. That doesn't make any sense to me. Why don't they just hire more nurses? I'm sure they're charging your insurance company enough for the privilege of caring for you. I can't imagine having to hire any kind of in hospital help in Portland. So which is more typical....Portland, or New York? I know NY has a high cost of living...the nearby hotels being in the 175-200 per night range. You can get a halfway decent motel room near Good Sam for around 75 per night. Is that the reason the care is so poor...cost of living? Are the hospital and surgeon's fees much higher there? The total package with Dr. Welker at OHSU, when I had checked into that, barring complications, was about 30,000. What's it run at Mt. Sinai with Dr. Gagner or his cohorts? enquiring minds and all that becki ===== Becki, near Portland, OR BMI 50-ish, age 42 pre-op DS. hoping to get approval through Aetna Traditional Choice Consulted with Dr. on 3-13-01 psych ok, nutrition ok, now on to insurance!!! beckeye_58@... __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2001 Report Share Posted April 17, 2001 There is a nursing shortage in different parts of the country. For some reasons nursing isn't a very attractive field for alot of young people. It could be the job and the pay and the fact that if you go to med or law school or get your MBA you will be making a great living versus wiping butts and giving meds and saving lives and making $40K. There is a shortage and incentives must be found to get people into the field. Some hospitals have to close beds and limit admissions. They try to keep surgery going because that is a money maker. In a message dated Tue, 17 Apr 2001 2:03:34 PM Eastern Daylight Time, becki becki beckeye_58@...> writes: << hi all. I read with interest people's stories of Mt. Sinai. Can anyone tell me who's lived other places, is the medical care in NY all like this? All the things about hiring companions and private duty nurses... goodness. I've been in the hospitals in Portland a number of times, as have family members. The nurses take care of the patients. Isn't that what they're there for? It sounds like in NY if you don't have private help you could be in serious jeopardy health wise. That doesn't make any sense to me. Why don't they just hire more nurses? I'm sure they're charging your insurance company enough for the privilege of caring for you. I can't imagine having to hire any kind of in hospital help in Portland. So which is more typical....Portland, or New York? I know NY has a high cost of living...the nearby hotels being in the 175-200 per night range. You can get a halfway decent motel room near Good Sam for around 75 per night. Is that the reason the care is so poor...cost of living? Are the hospital and surgeon's fees much higher there? The total package with Dr. Welker at OHSU, when I had checked into that, barring complications, was about 30,000. What's it run at Mt. Sinai with Dr. Gagner or his cohorts? enquiring minds and all that becki ===== Becki, near Portland, OR BMI 50-ish, age 42 pre-op DS. hoping to get approval through Aetna Traditional Choice Consulted with Dr. on 3-13-01 psych ok, nutrition ok, now on to insurance!!! beckeye_58@... __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2001 Report Share Posted April 17, 2001 Becki: First of all, there is a severe nursing shortage nationwide, nurses are working in some deplorable conditions, ie: patient/nurse ratios too high therefore unsafe, lack of assistive personnel to do the unskilled care, unsupportive management, and often being mandated to work overtime, meaning, no choice in the matter. There have been instances of nurses being terminated for refusing to work overtime, they are told that they are " abandoning the patient " , though it's OK to " abandon " their family. This happened to me, I worked a 12 hour shift and was mandated to cover a call-off, another 8 hrs, which meant working 20 hrs straight. This didn't account for the fact that I had a one hour commute on top of that. I refused, though I wasn't terminated, I was written up. I felt and still do, that it was not SAFE for me to work. Anyways, despite all that, I would NEVER and hope that other nurses wouldn't take that frustration out on their patients, but unfortunately it does happen or rather they (the patient) suffers secondary to the nurses fatigue, etc. As far as there being a difference in regions, I wouldn't think that really makes a difference. It might just be that you have always had, for lack of a better term, good luck and unfortunately, our friend Jill, did not; which I might add, surprises me since her family members are medical professionals. Usually, not that it should matter, patients seem to get better treatment because of this. Anyways, that's my take on the situation. > hi all. > I read with interest people's stories of Mt. Sinai. > Can anyone tell me who's lived other places, is the > medical care in NY all like this? All the things > about hiring companions and private duty nurses... > goodness. I've been in the hospitals in Portland a > number of times, as have family members. The nurses > take care of the patients. Isn't that what they're > there for? > > It sounds like in NY if you don't have private help > you could be in serious jeopardy health wise. That > doesn't make any sense to me. Why don't they just hire > more nurses? I'm sure they're charging your insurance > company enough for the privilege of caring for you. > > I can't imagine having to hire any kind of in hospital > help in Portland. So which is more > typical....Portland, or New York? I know NY has a > high cost of living...the nearby hotels being in the > 175-200 per night range. You can get a halfway decent > motel room near Good Sam for around 75 per night. Is > that the reason the care is so poor...cost of living? > > Are the hospital and surgeon's fees much higher there? > The total package with Dr. Welker at OHSU, when I had > checked into that, barring complications, was about > 30,000. What's it run at Mt. Sinai with Dr. Gagner or > his cohorts? > > enquiring minds and all that > > becki > > ===== > Becki, near Portland, OR > BMI 50-ish, age 42 > pre-op DS. hoping to get approval > through Aetna Traditional Choice > Consulted with Dr. on 3-13-01 > psych ok, nutrition ok, now on to insurance!!! > beckeye_58@y... > > __________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2001 Report Share Posted April 17, 2001 Becki: First of all, there is a severe nursing shortage nationwide, nurses are working in some deplorable conditions, ie: patient/nurse ratios too high therefore unsafe, lack of assistive personnel to do the unskilled care, unsupportive management, and often being mandated to work overtime, meaning, no choice in the matter. There have been instances of nurses being terminated for refusing to work overtime, they are told that they are " abandoning the patient " , though it's OK to " abandon " their family. This happened to me, I worked a 12 hour shift and was mandated to cover a call-off, another 8 hrs, which meant working 20 hrs straight. This didn't account for the fact that I had a one hour commute on top of that. I refused, though I wasn't terminated, I was written up. I felt and still do, that it was not SAFE for me to work. Anyways, despite all that, I would NEVER and hope that other nurses wouldn't take that frustration out on their patients, but unfortunately it does happen or rather they (the patient) suffers secondary to the nurses fatigue, etc. As far as there being a difference in regions, I wouldn't think that really makes a difference. It might just be that you have always had, for lack of a better term, good luck and unfortunately, our friend Jill, did not; which I might add, surprises me since her family members are medical professionals. Usually, not that it should matter, patients seem to get better treatment because of this. Anyways, that's my take on the situation. > hi all. > I read with interest people's stories of Mt. Sinai. > Can anyone tell me who's lived other places, is the > medical care in NY all like this? All the things > about hiring companions and private duty nurses... > goodness. I've been in the hospitals in Portland a > number of times, as have family members. The nurses > take care of the patients. Isn't that what they're > there for? > > It sounds like in NY if you don't have private help > you could be in serious jeopardy health wise. That > doesn't make any sense to me. Why don't they just hire > more nurses? I'm sure they're charging your insurance > company enough for the privilege of caring for you. > > I can't imagine having to hire any kind of in hospital > help in Portland. So which is more > typical....Portland, or New York? I know NY has a > high cost of living...the nearby hotels being in the > 175-200 per night range. You can get a halfway decent > motel room near Good Sam for around 75 per night. Is > that the reason the care is so poor...cost of living? > > Are the hospital and surgeon's fees much higher there? > The total package with Dr. Welker at OHSU, when I had > checked into that, barring complications, was about > 30,000. What's it run at Mt. Sinai with Dr. Gagner or > his cohorts? > > enquiring minds and all that > > becki > > ===== > Becki, near Portland, OR > BMI 50-ish, age 42 > pre-op DS. hoping to get approval > through Aetna Traditional Choice > Consulted with Dr. on 3-13-01 > psych ok, nutrition ok, now on to insurance!!! > beckeye_58@y... > > __________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2001 Report Share Posted April 17, 2001 Becki: First of all, there is a severe nursing shortage nationwide, nurses are working in some deplorable conditions, ie: patient/nurse ratios too high therefore unsafe, lack of assistive personnel to do the unskilled care, unsupportive management, and often being mandated to work overtime, meaning, no choice in the matter. There have been instances of nurses being terminated for refusing to work overtime, they are told that they are " abandoning the patient " , though it's OK to " abandon " their family. This happened to me, I worked a 12 hour shift and was mandated to cover a call-off, another 8 hrs, which meant working 20 hrs straight. This didn't account for the fact that I had a one hour commute on top of that. I refused, though I wasn't terminated, I was written up. I felt and still do, that it was not SAFE for me to work. Anyways, despite all that, I would NEVER and hope that other nurses wouldn't take that frustration out on their patients, but unfortunately it does happen or rather they (the patient) suffers secondary to the nurses fatigue, etc. As far as there being a difference in regions, I wouldn't think that really makes a difference. It might just be that you have always had, for lack of a better term, good luck and unfortunately, our friend Jill, did not; which I might add, surprises me since her family members are medical professionals. Usually, not that it should matter, patients seem to get better treatment because of this. Anyways, that's my take on the situation. > hi all. > I read with interest people's stories of Mt. Sinai. > Can anyone tell me who's lived other places, is the > medical care in NY all like this? All the things > about hiring companions and private duty nurses... > goodness. I've been in the hospitals in Portland a > number of times, as have family members. The nurses > take care of the patients. Isn't that what they're > there for? > > It sounds like in NY if you don't have private help > you could be in serious jeopardy health wise. That > doesn't make any sense to me. Why don't they just hire > more nurses? I'm sure they're charging your insurance > company enough for the privilege of caring for you. > > I can't imagine having to hire any kind of in hospital > help in Portland. So which is more > typical....Portland, or New York? I know NY has a > high cost of living...the nearby hotels being in the > 175-200 per night range. You can get a halfway decent > motel room near Good Sam for around 75 per night. Is > that the reason the care is so poor...cost of living? > > Are the hospital and surgeon's fees much higher there? > The total package with Dr. Welker at OHSU, when I had > checked into that, barring complications, was about > 30,000. What's it run at Mt. Sinai with Dr. Gagner or > his cohorts? > > enquiring minds and all that > > becki > > ===== > Becki, near Portland, OR > BMI 50-ish, age 42 > pre-op DS. hoping to get approval > through Aetna Traditional Choice > Consulted with Dr. on 3-13-01 > psych ok, nutrition ok, now on to insurance!!! > beckeye_58@y... > > __________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2001 Report Share Posted April 18, 2001 >The nurses > take care of the patients. Isn't that what they're > there for? Yes.. but they usually have between 8 and 10 patients, depending on their staffing ratios. There should also be patient care assistants to provide a great deal of help (assisting to the bathroom, fetching ice & water, etc. Registered nurses have a great deal more to do than just patient care and passing medications.. and there are never enough hours in a day. Don't blame the nurses entirely.. its the administrators' fault too, if the nurses have no support personnel. > Why don't they just hire > more nurses? Because there is a SEVERE nationwide nursing shortage. Adding to that, some hospitals do not pay competitively enough to keep an adequate nursing staff. I'm not excusing poor nursing care.. I take care of 6 to 8 patients per shift, & my patients love me. Just take into consideration that there isn't always an easy fix.. or a specific culprit for poor care. Just my .02, Liane Transplant/cardiothoracic stepdown RN The Methodist Hospital (...who spent most of last night (16 hours) trying to keep a gent with D.T.'s from walking off the unit... and still took care of the other seven without complaint...) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2001 Report Share Posted April 18, 2001 >The nurses > take care of the patients. Isn't that what they're > there for? Yes.. but they usually have between 8 and 10 patients, depending on their staffing ratios. There should also be patient care assistants to provide a great deal of help (assisting to the bathroom, fetching ice & water, etc. Registered nurses have a great deal more to do than just patient care and passing medications.. and there are never enough hours in a day. Don't blame the nurses entirely.. its the administrators' fault too, if the nurses have no support personnel. > Why don't they just hire > more nurses? Because there is a SEVERE nationwide nursing shortage. Adding to that, some hospitals do not pay competitively enough to keep an adequate nursing staff. I'm not excusing poor nursing care.. I take care of 6 to 8 patients per shift, & my patients love me. Just take into consideration that there isn't always an easy fix.. or a specific culprit for poor care. Just my .02, Liane Transplant/cardiothoracic stepdown RN The Methodist Hospital (...who spent most of last night (16 hours) trying to keep a gent with D.T.'s from walking off the unit... and still took care of the other seven without complaint...) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2001 Report Share Posted April 18, 2001 >The nurses > take care of the patients. Isn't that what they're > there for? Yes.. but they usually have between 8 and 10 patients, depending on their staffing ratios. There should also be patient care assistants to provide a great deal of help (assisting to the bathroom, fetching ice & water, etc. Registered nurses have a great deal more to do than just patient care and passing medications.. and there are never enough hours in a day. Don't blame the nurses entirely.. its the administrators' fault too, if the nurses have no support personnel. > Why don't they just hire > more nurses? Because there is a SEVERE nationwide nursing shortage. Adding to that, some hospitals do not pay competitively enough to keep an adequate nursing staff. I'm not excusing poor nursing care.. I take care of 6 to 8 patients per shift, & my patients love me. Just take into consideration that there isn't always an easy fix.. or a specific culprit for poor care. Just my .02, Liane Transplant/cardiothoracic stepdown RN The Methodist Hospital (...who spent most of last night (16 hours) trying to keep a gent with D.T.'s from walking off the unit... and still took care of the other seven without complaint...) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2001 Report Share Posted April 18, 2001 Hi -I agree that Dr. Gagner is a wonderful surgeon. What I have a problem with is the lack of response to post-ops by Yvonne and Dr. Gagner to phone calls. I have heard so many stories about this. One person couldn't get feedback on her bloodwork for over a month after calling ,many times and had so ig problems with the bloodwork and lost over a month to correct her problems. That is where they fall short. Not in the surgery arena. Anyway it was nice hearing from you and you sound like you are doing great.Ellen(Pam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2001 Report Share Posted April 18, 2001 Hi -I agree that Dr. Gagner is a wonderful surgeon. What I have a problem with is the lack of response to post-ops by Yvonne and Dr. Gagner to phone calls. I have heard so many stories about this. One person couldn't get feedback on her bloodwork for over a month after calling ,many times and had so ig problems with the bloodwork and lost over a month to correct her problems. That is where they fall short. Not in the surgery arena. Anyway it was nice hearing from you and you sound like you are doing great.Ellen(Pam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2001 Report Share Posted April 18, 2001 Hi -I agree that Dr. Gagner is a wonderful surgeon. What I have a problem with is the lack of response to post-ops by Yvonne and Dr. Gagner to phone calls. I have heard so many stories about this. One person couldn't get feedback on her bloodwork for over a month after calling ,many times and had so ig problems with the bloodwork and lost over a month to correct her problems. That is where they fall short. Not in the surgery arena. Anyway it was nice hearing from you and you sound like you are doing great.Ellen(Pam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2001 Report Share Posted April 18, 2001 Maybe we should get our blood work faxed to our PCPs and our surgeons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2001 Report Share Posted April 19, 2001 6-8 patients in a stepdown unit is about twice too many, IMHO. No wonder nurses are leaving hospital work. in Seattle ----- Original Message ----- > I'm not excusing poor nursing care.. I take care of 6 to 8 patients > per shift, & my patients love me. Just take into consideration that > there isn't always an easy fix.. or a specific culprit for poor care. > Just my .02, > Liane > Transplant/cardiothoracic stepdown RN > The Methodist Hospital > (...who spent most of last night (16 hours) trying to keep a gent with > D.T.'s from walking off the unit... and still took care of the other > seven without complaint...) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2001 Report Share Posted April 19, 2001 6-8 patients in a stepdown unit is about twice too many, IMHO. No wonder nurses are leaving hospital work. in Seattle ----- Original Message ----- > I'm not excusing poor nursing care.. I take care of 6 to 8 patients > per shift, & my patients love me. Just take into consideration that > there isn't always an easy fix.. or a specific culprit for poor care. > Just my .02, > Liane > Transplant/cardiothoracic stepdown RN > The Methodist Hospital > (...who spent most of last night (16 hours) trying to keep a gent with > D.T.'s from walking off the unit... and still took care of the other > seven without complaint...) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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