Guest guest Posted May 11, 2001 Report Share Posted May 11, 2001 I wasn't the only one to have that particular problem. Elle, who went with Sandy to her appointment, said Dr. did the same things to her when she went for her first appointment. The difference with Sandy was that she had two other people with her, and I think when Dr. P has an audience she acts differenly. Donna > It is amazing how different your appointment with Dr. P was from > Sandy's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2001 Report Share Posted May 11, 2001 Hi Carol - I believe that Donna's appointment was before mine, which was over a month ago. I had the good fortune of going with Sandy to her appointment and I can say that there was a much better view given of the DS to Sandy than to me-and I expect to Donna. I believe one of my teachers would have called it a learning curve. It might also have had a great deal to do with Sandy and her dynamic personality, exceptional preparedness and fab sense of humor. The doc did respond to Sandy, slowly at first but bu the end of the appointment, was yucking it up with all of us. It was impressive for being at the end of a long day for both Sandy and . In any case, I am sure the more educated about the procedure her patients become, the more exacting the doc must become.. I applaud Sandys efforts at getting this procedure done, thru many denials from her insurance company, stupid assumptions from the adjuster and lack of support from her primary doc. Shes a woman of determination and I believe she will be #2 for DS with P or know the reason why......unless I can be there elle - BMI 37, 255#, 5'9 " , 58YO, diabetes, hypertension, high cholesterol and chronic back pain. Waiting sleep study SweetLacy wrote: > > It is amazing how different your appointment with Dr. P was from > Sandy's. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2001 Report Share Posted May 11, 2001 Donna~ My initial consult with Dr. P was a week BEFORE yours and I still haven't discovered any lies that were told to me. In addition, with the glaring exception of ONE single (but major) staff member, everyone could not have been sweeter. Further, there was NO audience with me for Dr. P to be 'playing to'. I go to many doctors in my life and I left there overwhelmed by her professionalism and the seriousness with which she approached the matter. I'm really sorry that things didn't turn out well for you. I genuinely care about your own WLS experience as you have been such a valued member of several support groups that I frequent. However, at some point it would be wise to look at your own responsiblity for a 'doctor-patient' relationship gone sour. I'm interested in what OTHER things you have to say, things that have nothing to do with Dr. P. I think you've made your points well and that what you wrote will be long remembered. Can we move on now? I'm excited for you Donna. I think you re-steered yourself to Dr. Rabkin so skillfully and you've given me hope that if I need to redirect me efforts, perhaps that's a resource I too might take. Good luck Donna. I'm here for any support you need on the direction you ARE taking but I really can't support the continued posts about the direction you wisely decided NOT to take. Bless you. hugs, gobo > > It is amazing how different your appointment with Dr. P was from > > Sandy's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2001 Report Share Posted May 11, 2001 >> It might also have had a great deal to do with Sandy and her dynamic personality, exceptional preparedness and fab sense of humor. << No one is funnier than Donna or has a more pleasing personality. I should know, I'm her sister! Also, I can't think too many could have been MORE prepared than Donna. Donna has not only done tons of research on her own, but has the benefit of all of MY research and the unique knowledge that comes from taking care of me for the full first week after my surgery and seeing what life is like first-hand for someone after their DS. I believe everyone has their bad days, but after Donna posted about her initial visit (before Sandy ever left Spokane) there were WAY too many people who said things to the effect of, " that is so true, I had the same experience you did " . It is starting to look like if you go alone, you get treated one way, but if you have a husband or a friend with you, you get treated another. It wouldn't be the first time I've seen this happen with Drs. I don't know what kind of syndrome that is; maybe we should ask Dr. Ps wonderful therapist that she sends everyone to. LOL I actually hope Dr. P does get her act together and continues with this learning curve (if that's actually what is was and not a one-off thing) because we need a lot of good, knowledgable surgeons doing this surgery. But her telling Donna that you dump with DS and that " not one " of her RNY patients had ever dumped just sends red flags up all over the place for me. -Sherry (Lake Marcel, WA) BPD/DS Feb. 2, 2001 self-pay 5'5 " / 341 pounds / 33 years old Lost 9 pounds in pre-op weight loss efforts Have lost 70 pounds since surgery! Total of 79 pounds gone forEVER! http://www.fluffynet.com/wls/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2001 Report Share Posted May 11, 2001 >> It might also have had a great deal to do with Sandy and her dynamic personality, exceptional preparedness and fab sense of humor. << No one is funnier than Donna or has a more pleasing personality. I should know, I'm her sister! Also, I can't think too many could have been MORE prepared than Donna. Donna has not only done tons of research on her own, but has the benefit of all of MY research and the unique knowledge that comes from taking care of me for the full first week after my surgery and seeing what life is like first-hand for someone after their DS. I believe everyone has their bad days, but after Donna posted about her initial visit (before Sandy ever left Spokane) there were WAY too many people who said things to the effect of, " that is so true, I had the same experience you did " . It is starting to look like if you go alone, you get treated one way, but if you have a husband or a friend with you, you get treated another. It wouldn't be the first time I've seen this happen with Drs. I don't know what kind of syndrome that is; maybe we should ask Dr. Ps wonderful therapist that she sends everyone to. LOL I actually hope Dr. P does get her act together and continues with this learning curve (if that's actually what is was and not a one-off thing) because we need a lot of good, knowledgable surgeons doing this surgery. But her telling Donna that you dump with DS and that " not one " of her RNY patients had ever dumped just sends red flags up all over the place for me. -Sherry (Lake Marcel, WA) BPD/DS Feb. 2, 2001 self-pay 5'5 " / 341 pounds / 33 years old Lost 9 pounds in pre-op weight loss efforts Have lost 70 pounds since surgery! Total of 79 pounds gone forEVER! http://www.fluffynet.com/wls/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2001 Report Share Posted May 11, 2001 >> It might also have had a great deal to do with Sandy and her dynamic personality, exceptional preparedness and fab sense of humor. << No one is funnier than Donna or has a more pleasing personality. I should know, I'm her sister! Also, I can't think too many could have been MORE prepared than Donna. Donna has not only done tons of research on her own, but has the benefit of all of MY research and the unique knowledge that comes from taking care of me for the full first week after my surgery and seeing what life is like first-hand for someone after their DS. I believe everyone has their bad days, but after Donna posted about her initial visit (before Sandy ever left Spokane) there were WAY too many people who said things to the effect of, " that is so true, I had the same experience you did " . It is starting to look like if you go alone, you get treated one way, but if you have a husband or a friend with you, you get treated another. It wouldn't be the first time I've seen this happen with Drs. I don't know what kind of syndrome that is; maybe we should ask Dr. Ps wonderful therapist that she sends everyone to. LOL I actually hope Dr. P does get her act together and continues with this learning curve (if that's actually what is was and not a one-off thing) because we need a lot of good, knowledgable surgeons doing this surgery. But her telling Donna that you dump with DS and that " not one " of her RNY patients had ever dumped just sends red flags up all over the place for me. -Sherry (Lake Marcel, WA) BPD/DS Feb. 2, 2001 self-pay 5'5 " / 341 pounds / 33 years old Lost 9 pounds in pre-op weight loss efforts Have lost 70 pounds since surgery! Total of 79 pounds gone forEVER! http://www.fluffynet.com/wls/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2001 Report Share Posted May 11, 2001 At 17:06 +0000 5/11/01, gobo wrote: >Good luck Donna. I'm here for any support you need on the >direction you ARE taking but I really can't support the continued >posts about the direction you wisely decided NOT to take. I didn't see anywhere that Donna asked for support; what I saw was her posted experiences and opinions, which all on the list are free to share. I am a great believer in positive thinking; that said, I must also say I am a great believer in having as much information as possible and that includes the negatives, or downsides, to things just as much as the positives, or upsides. Please keep posting experiences, good and bad. We all benefit from them, one way or another. --stella Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2001 Report Share Posted May 11, 2001 Thanks Stella. I'm sort of confussed by Gobo's post (then again...) because I only posted once about my experience with Dr. P here. As I said when Gobo basically told Deb the same thing, I think I learn MORE from hearing about the bad experiences then I do hearing about the good ones. This is not Land of the Lollipops. It's a serious thing, and to quote Elle from a recent email, " This is not the time to be a pansy. " Donna who saw in her yard today: one fox one deer two blue birds one Wisteria tree recently planted and a million bugs > >Good luck Donna. I'm here for any support you need on the > >direction you ARE taking but I really can't support the continued > >posts about the direction you wisely decided NOT to take. > > I didn't see anywhere that Donna asked for support; what I saw was > her posted experiences and opinions, which all on the list are free > to share. > > I am a great believer in positive thinking; that said, I must also > say I am a great believer in having as much information as possible > and that includes the negatives, or downsides, to things just as much > as the positives, or upsides. > > Please keep posting experiences, good and bad. We all benefit from > them, one way or another. > > --stella Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2001 Report Share Posted May 11, 2001 > >Good luck Donna. I'm here for any support you need on the > >direction you ARE taking but I really can't support the continued > >posts about the direction you wisely decided NOT to take. > > I didn't see anywhere that Donna asked for support; what I saw was > her posted experiences and opinions, which all on the list are free > to share. Stella; My expression of saying 'I'm here to support' is like a general vote of confidence. This is a support group, I'm on board to support whatever is useful to others. I made no inferrence that she specifically was asking for help. Please Use Some Common Sense! Donna; I never made a statement that Donna has reposted the same posts on THIS particular group and she/ knows it. I was trying to suggest that the exact same posts, verbatim do not need to be plastered on every single support group that she belongs to. This practice has already led me to leave the group. 80% of the posts are cabon copies of what she and another member post here anyway. As I get closer to my own surgery date, I really don't have the energy to get swept up in this nonsense. I will continue to relay messages from my dearest, sweetest angel but beyond that, I leave you to yourselves. Sherry made an excellent case for allowing people to cross-post. Fine. Donna should keep doing exactly what she's doing. I support her right to do that and I don't need your, hers or anybody's permission to support someone's right to do something that I don't care for. Again, this isn't an issue where someone needs to ask for my support so please don't remind me that you don't recall Donna asking for my support. She doesn't need to ask, OK. I'm just frustrated by the level of anger that these topics arouse and I don't like wading through the same posts that go on and on and are identical between one group and another. If this post makes you or anyone else angry, I'm sorry. That was not my intention but this business of nitpicking each other's letters to death is not my cup of tea. wearily, gobo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2001 Report Share Posted May 11, 2001 > >Good luck Donna. I'm here for any support you need on the > >direction you ARE taking but I really can't support the continued > >posts about the direction you wisely decided NOT to take. > > I didn't see anywhere that Donna asked for support; what I saw was > her posted experiences and opinions, which all on the list are free > to share. Stella; My expression of saying 'I'm here to support' is like a general vote of confidence. This is a support group, I'm on board to support whatever is useful to others. I made no inferrence that she specifically was asking for help. Please Use Some Common Sense! Donna; I never made a statement that Donna has reposted the same posts on THIS particular group and she/ knows it. I was trying to suggest that the exact same posts, verbatim do not need to be plastered on every single support group that she belongs to. This practice has already led me to leave the group. 80% of the posts are cabon copies of what she and another member post here anyway. As I get closer to my own surgery date, I really don't have the energy to get swept up in this nonsense. I will continue to relay messages from my dearest, sweetest angel but beyond that, I leave you to yourselves. Sherry made an excellent case for allowing people to cross-post. Fine. Donna should keep doing exactly what she's doing. I support her right to do that and I don't need your, hers or anybody's permission to support someone's right to do something that I don't care for. Again, this isn't an issue where someone needs to ask for my support so please don't remind me that you don't recall Donna asking for my support. She doesn't need to ask, OK. I'm just frustrated by the level of anger that these topics arouse and I don't like wading through the same posts that go on and on and are identical between one group and another. If this post makes you or anyone else angry, I'm sorry. That was not my intention but this business of nitpicking each other's letters to death is not my cup of tea. wearily, gobo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2001 Report Share Posted May 11, 2001 > >Good luck Donna. I'm here for any support you need on the > >direction you ARE taking but I really can't support the continued > >posts about the direction you wisely decided NOT to take. > > I didn't see anywhere that Donna asked for support; what I saw was > her posted experiences and opinions, which all on the list are free > to share. Stella; My expression of saying 'I'm here to support' is like a general vote of confidence. This is a support group, I'm on board to support whatever is useful to others. I made no inferrence that she specifically was asking for help. Please Use Some Common Sense! Donna; I never made a statement that Donna has reposted the same posts on THIS particular group and she/ knows it. I was trying to suggest that the exact same posts, verbatim do not need to be plastered on every single support group that she belongs to. This practice has already led me to leave the group. 80% of the posts are cabon copies of what she and another member post here anyway. As I get closer to my own surgery date, I really don't have the energy to get swept up in this nonsense. I will continue to relay messages from my dearest, sweetest angel but beyond that, I leave you to yourselves. Sherry made an excellent case for allowing people to cross-post. Fine. Donna should keep doing exactly what she's doing. I support her right to do that and I don't need your, hers or anybody's permission to support someone's right to do something that I don't care for. Again, this isn't an issue where someone needs to ask for my support so please don't remind me that you don't recall Donna asking for my support. She doesn't need to ask, OK. I'm just frustrated by the level of anger that these topics arouse and I don't like wading through the same posts that go on and on and are identical between one group and another. If this post makes you or anyone else angry, I'm sorry. That was not my intention but this business of nitpicking each other's letters to death is not my cup of tea. wearily, gobo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2001 Report Share Posted May 12, 2001 I suggest you look inward at your > own aversion to anything other than " zipadeedoodah " information. It is preferable to have all sides of a matter out in the open for one to see. > > --stella Stella; I didn't read anything in the description you posted that was inconsistent with what I had described as what general support means. Support can simply mean being present and allowing. That also is not verbatim in your description. That doesn't mean it should be disallowed. Further, I don't recall EVER trying to cheer anyone up. That is not my style and I don't think I'm particularly good at it. Having graduated in Philosohpy (Ethics, no less), I LOVE a good argument as long as it is respectful and not repetitive. I think you have me confused with someone else. Either that or you simply have it out for me due to some transgression you IMAGINE I've comitted. I recommend you get over whatever is bothering you and evolve to some other subject of interest. Your nit-picking is SO unproductive. gobo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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