Re: Protein shakes (was 7 week update)

July 16, 2005

Hi all, I was told before I had the surgery that we should get enough protein through food and shouldn't need a protein shake...is this correct?

TammyLaWanda Ezell wrote:

Hi Tina, sorry you're having so much trouble with your pouch, but congratulations on the weight loss. I'm glad you are doing protein shakes, I think they are a must for life and I do them. I don't blame you for the way you feel about group appointments, I feel the same way about them and never will go to any. This has been true for a long time with me, I wouldn't even go to group appointments for my diabetes, and finally had to go to the sugar people, down in the basement of the Morse Avenue Kaiser, and get my insulin regulated by them. I think that group appointments are not meant to treat anyone who is the slightest bit different than anyone else or who has special needs of any kind. Good luck to you, hope you feel better soon. LaWanda At 07:55 AM 7/12/05, you wrote:>Hi all. Just a brief 7

week post-op update for you. My pouch is not>particularly happy these days and food intake is limited. It seems>it doesn't like anything these days, except good ole taco meat. I>eat 3 meals a day but sometimes its not much and sometimes it won't>stay down. I've added in 1 to 2 protein drinks because I was feeling>horrible and absolutely no energy. At least with the protein drinks,>I know I'm getting in some protein for the day, instead of maybe>only 10-20 grams when I only eat.>>I've gone down 2 pant sizes, lot a lot of inches, and -34.5 pounds>since surgery, for a total of 72.5 pounds since orientation. I'm>doing water aerobics a minimum of times a week. I'd really like to>fast forward to 6 months out, when supposedly you are feeling more>back to normal but...I guess I'll just keep plugging along.>>I had my 6 week post-op group appointment last week. I

personally>thought it was a complete waste of my time. I made the mistake of>raising my hand and saying that I actually get hungry. Then came>the "talk" about head hunger, blah, blah, blah. I know the>difference and I know when I'm hungry and I physically start dry>heaving because I'm hungry and I need to eat. I won't do a group>appointment again. I'll stick to the one-on-one appointments.>Scheduling wise, those are easier anyway (with 3 kids).>>Tina>Dr. Baggs>5/24/05>-34.5>-72.5 since orientation>>>>>>

July 16, 2005

Hi all, I was told before I had the surgery that we should get enough protein through food and shouldn't need a protein shake...is this correct?

TammyLaWanda Ezell wrote:

Hi Tina, sorry you're having so much trouble with your pouch, but congratulations on the weight loss. I'm glad you are doing protein shakes, I think they are a must for life and I do them. I don't blame you for the way you feel about group appointments, I feel the same way about them and never will go to any. This has been true for a long time with me, I wouldn't even go to group appointments for my diabetes, and finally had to go to the sugar people, down in the basement of the Morse Avenue Kaiser, and get my insulin regulated by them. I think that group appointments are not meant to treat anyone who is the slightest bit different than anyone else or who has special needs of any kind. Good luck to you, hope you feel better soon. LaWanda At 07:55 AM 7/12/05, you wrote:>Hi all. Just a brief 7

week post-op update for you. My pouch is not>particularly happy these days and food intake is limited. It seems>it doesn't like anything these days, except good ole taco meat. I>eat 3 meals a day but sometimes its not much and sometimes it won't>stay down. I've added in 1 to 2 protein drinks because I was feeling>horrible and absolutely no energy. At least with the protein drinks,>I know I'm getting in some protein for the day, instead of maybe>only 10-20 grams when I only eat.>>I've gone down 2 pant sizes, lot a lot of inches, and -34.5 pounds>since surgery, for a total of 72.5 pounds since orientation. I'm>doing water aerobics a minimum of times a week. I'd really like to>fast forward to 6 months out, when supposedly you are feeling more>back to normal but...I guess I'll just keep plugging along.>>I had my 6 week post-op group appointment last week. I

personally>thought it was a complete waste of my time. I made the mistake of>raising my hand and saying that I actually get hungry. Then came>the "talk" about head hunger, blah, blah, blah. I know the>difference and I know when I'm hungry and I physically start dry>heaving because I'm hungry and I need to eat. I won't do a group>appointment again. I'll stick to the one-on-one appointments.>Scheduling wise, those are easier anyway (with 3 kids).>>Tina>Dr. Baggs>5/24/05>-34.5>-72.5 since orientation>>>>>>

July 16, 2005

Hi all, I was told before I had the surgery that we should get enough protein through food and shouldn't need a protein shake...is this correct?

TammyLaWanda Ezell wrote:

Hi Tina, sorry you're having so much trouble with your pouch, but congratulations on the weight loss. I'm glad you are doing protein shakes, I think they are a must for life and I do them. I don't blame you for the way you feel about group appointments, I feel the same way about them and never will go to any. This has been true for a long time with me, I wouldn't even go to group appointments for my diabetes, and finally had to go to the sugar people, down in the basement of the Morse Avenue Kaiser, and get my insulin regulated by them. I think that group appointments are not meant to treat anyone who is the slightest bit different than anyone else or who has special needs of any kind. Good luck to you, hope you feel better soon. LaWanda At 07:55 AM 7/12/05, you wrote:>Hi all. Just a brief 7

week post-op update for you. My pouch is not>particularly happy these days and food intake is limited. It seems>it doesn't like anything these days, except good ole taco meat. I>eat 3 meals a day but sometimes its not much and sometimes it won't>stay down. I've added in 1 to 2 protein drinks because I was feeling>horrible and absolutely no energy. At least with the protein drinks,>I know I'm getting in some protein for the day, instead of maybe>only 10-20 grams when I only eat.>>I've gone down 2 pant sizes, lot a lot of inches, and -34.5 pounds>since surgery, for a total of 72.5 pounds since orientation. I'm>doing water aerobics a minimum of times a week. I'd really like to>fast forward to 6 months out, when supposedly you are feeling more>back to normal but...I guess I'll just keep plugging along.>>I had my 6 week post-op group appointment last week. I

personally>thought it was a complete waste of my time. I made the mistake of>raising my hand and saying that I actually get hungry. Then came>the "talk" about head hunger, blah, blah, blah. I know the>difference and I know when I'm hungry and I physically start dry>heaving because I'm hungry and I need to eat. I won't do a group>appointment again. I'll stick to the one-on-one appointments.>Scheduling wise, those are easier anyway (with 3 kids).>>Tina>Dr. Baggs>5/24/05>-34.5>-72.5 since orientation>>>>>>

July 16, 2005

Depends on who you talk to, there are two diametrically opposed schools of

thought on this. Even within the Kaiser system, Ruichmond tells you that

you can get enough protein through food, and Fremont and SSF both insist

that you need supplementation for life. I agree that you do need to

supplement, because we no longer absorb anything as well as we used to

do. Fremont has their patients take a protein shake each day, splitting it

into two four ounce portions so that the newbies can get it all down. If

you are using the powder, you should mix it a portion at a time as the

shakes will accumulate bacteria once you mix them, and after thirty minutes

they are no good. Still, since you did go through Richmond, you may decide

to listen to them, they are very adamant about their stand, but all the

really successful and long term post-ops I know, take protein

supplements. LaWanda At 11:10 PM 7/15/05, you wrote:

>Hi all, I was told before I had the surgery that we should get enough

>protein through food and shouldn't need a protein shake...is this correct?

>Tammy

>

>LaWanda Ezell konfuzed@...> wrote:

>Hi Tina, sorry you're having so much trouble with your pouch, but

>congratulations on the weight loss. I'm glad you are doing protein shakes,

>I think they are a must for life and I do them. I don't blame you for the

>way you feel about group appointments, I feel the same way about them and

>never will go to any. This has been true for a long time with me, I

>wouldn't even go to group appointments for my diabetes, and finally had to

>go to the sugar people, down in the basement of the Morse Avenue Kaiser,

>and get my insulin regulated by them. I think that group appointments are

>not meant to treat anyone who is the slightest bit different than anyone

>else or who has special needs of any kind. Good luck to you, hope you feel

>better soon. LaWanda At 07:55 AM 7/12/05, you wrote:

> >Hi all. Just a brief 7 week post-op update for you. My pouch is not

> >particularly happy these days and food intake is limited. It seems

> >it doesn't like anything these days, except good ole taco meat. I

> >eat 3 meals a day but sometimes its not much and sometimes it won't

> >stay down. I've added in 1 to 2 protein drinks because I was feeling

> >horrible and absolutely no energy. At least with the protein drinks,

> >I know I'm getting in some protein for the day, instead of maybe

> >only 10-20 grams when I only eat.

> >

> >I've gone down 2 pant sizes, lot a lot of inches, and -34.5 pounds

> >since surgery, for a total of 72.5 pounds since orientation. I'm

> >doing water aerobics a minimum of times a week. I'd really like to

> >fast forward to 6 months out, when supposedly you are feeling more

> >back to normal but...I guess I'll just keep plugging along.

> >

> >I had my 6 week post-op group appointment last week. I personally

> >thought it was a complete waste of my time. I made the mistake of

> >raising my hand and saying that I actually get hungry. Then came

> >the " talk " about head hunger, blah, blah, blah. I know the

> >difference and I know when I'm hungry and I physically start dry

> >heaving because I'm hungry and I need to eat. I won't do a group

> >appointment again. I'll stick to the one-on-one appointments.

> >Scheduling wise, those are easier anyway (with 3 kids).

> >

> >Tina

> >Dr. Baggs

> >5/24/05

> >-34.5

> >-72.5 since orientation

> >

July 16, 2005

It is personal preference I suppose.

I choose to follow the rules set forth by Richmond and get my

protien in the foods I eat. I was never a fan of those shakes though

to begin with, so it may be easier for me to dismiss it as an option?

I added up the choices you have to eat during the day once you are

at Stage III and IV and with it spaced out in those three meals, it

sure seems adequate. Richmond facitilty strongly discourages use of

the protien shakes, you are correct.

Kay

> >Hi all. Just a brief 7 week post-op update for you. My pouch is

not

> >particularly happy these days and food intake is limited. It seems

> >it doesn't like anything these days, except good ole taco meat. I

> >eat 3 meals a day but sometimes its not much and sometimes it

won't

> >stay down. I've added in 1 to 2 protein drinks because I was

feeling

> >horrible and absolutely no energy. At least with the protein

drinks,

> >I know I'm getting in some protein for the day, instead of maybe

> >only 10-20 grams when I only eat.

> >

> >I've gone down 2 pant sizes, lot a lot of inches, and -34.5 pounds

> >since surgery, for a total of 72.5 pounds since orientation. I'm

> >doing water aerobics a minimum of times a week. I'd really like

to

> >fast forward to 6 months out, when supposedly you are feeling more

> >back to normal but...I guess I'll just keep plugging along.

> >

> >I had my 6 week post-op group appointment last week. I personally

> >thought it was a complete waste of my time. I made the mistake of

> >raising my hand and saying that I actually get hungry. Then came

> >the " talk " about head hunger, blah, blah, blah. I know the

> >difference and I know when I'm hungry and I physically start dry

> >heaving because I'm hungry and I need to eat. I won't do a group

> >appointment again. I'll stick to the one-on-one appointments.

> >Scheduling wise, those are easier anyway (with 3 kids).

> >

> >Tina

> >Dr. Baggs

> >5/24/05

> >-34.5

> >-72.5 since orientation

> >

July 16, 2005

It is personal preference I suppose.

I choose to follow the rules set forth by Richmond and get my

protien in the foods I eat. I was never a fan of those shakes though

to begin with, so it may be easier for me to dismiss it as an option?

I added up the choices you have to eat during the day once you are

at Stage III and IV and with it spaced out in those three meals, it

sure seems adequate. Richmond facitilty strongly discourages use of

the protien shakes, you are correct.

Kay

> >Hi all. Just a brief 7 week post-op update for you. My pouch is

not

> >particularly happy these days and food intake is limited. It seems

> >it doesn't like anything these days, except good ole taco meat. I

> >eat 3 meals a day but sometimes its not much and sometimes it

won't

> >stay down. I've added in 1 to 2 protein drinks because I was

feeling

> >horrible and absolutely no energy. At least with the protein

drinks,

> >I know I'm getting in some protein for the day, instead of maybe

> >only 10-20 grams when I only eat.

> >

> >I've gone down 2 pant sizes, lot a lot of inches, and -34.5 pounds

> >since surgery, for a total of 72.5 pounds since orientation. I'm

> >doing water aerobics a minimum of times a week. I'd really like

to

> >fast forward to 6 months out, when supposedly you are feeling more

> >back to normal but...I guess I'll just keep plugging along.

> >

> >I had my 6 week post-op group appointment last week. I personally

> >thought it was a complete waste of my time. I made the mistake of

> >raising my hand and saying that I actually get hungry. Then came

> >the " talk " about head hunger, blah, blah, blah. I know the

> >difference and I know when I'm hungry and I physically start dry

> >heaving because I'm hungry and I need to eat. I won't do a group

> >appointment again. I'll stick to the one-on-one appointments.

> >Scheduling wise, those are easier anyway (with 3 kids).

> >

> >Tina

> >Dr. Baggs

> >5/24/05

> >-34.5

> >-72.5 since orientation

> >

July 16, 2005

It is personal preference I suppose.

I choose to follow the rules set forth by Richmond and get my

protien in the foods I eat. I was never a fan of those shakes though

to begin with, so it may be easier for me to dismiss it as an option?

I added up the choices you have to eat during the day once you are

at Stage III and IV and with it spaced out in those three meals, it

sure seems adequate. Richmond facitilty strongly discourages use of

the protien shakes, you are correct.

Kay

> >Hi all. Just a brief 7 week post-op update for you. My pouch is

not

> >particularly happy these days and food intake is limited. It seems

> >it doesn't like anything these days, except good ole taco meat. I

> >eat 3 meals a day but sometimes its not much and sometimes it

won't

> >stay down. I've added in 1 to 2 protein drinks because I was

feeling

> >horrible and absolutely no energy. At least with the protein

drinks,

> >I know I'm getting in some protein for the day, instead of maybe

> >only 10-20 grams when I only eat.

> >

> >I've gone down 2 pant sizes, lot a lot of inches, and -34.5 pounds

> >since surgery, for a total of 72.5 pounds since orientation. I'm

> >doing water aerobics a minimum of times a week. I'd really like

to

> >fast forward to 6 months out, when supposedly you are feeling more

> >back to normal but...I guess I'll just keep plugging along.

> >

> >I had my 6 week post-op group appointment last week. I personally

> >thought it was a complete waste of my time. I made the mistake of

> >raising my hand and saying that I actually get hungry. Then came

> >the " talk " about head hunger, blah, blah, blah. I know the

> >difference and I know when I'm hungry and I physically start dry

> >heaving because I'm hungry and I need to eat. I won't do a group

> >appointment again. I'll stick to the one-on-one appointments.

> >Scheduling wise, those are easier anyway (with 3 kids).

> >

> >Tina

> >Dr. Baggs

> >5/24/05

> >-34.5

> >-72.5 since orientation

> >

July 16, 2005

Well, this is one question where there is LOT of disagreement. I will

share with you what my thoughts are, and how I reached them.

When I was researching my own surgery, I decided to find out what

successful long-term posties were doing. I mean people who were at least

five years out, healthy, good labs, maintaining significant weight loss.

Know what I found? The VAST majority of them were doing protein drinks.

So I do them.

Part of the attitude I have encountered is that we should be able to get

all our protein from food. Well, the numbers don't make any sense to me.

One person told me I should be eating three ounces of meat, fish, or

poultry or three eggs at every meal. This was at a time when my pouch

was supposedly approximately the size of ONE egg! This isn't addressing

the concept that we absorb some sources of protein better than other

sources. Is the idea that it's okay to burn up our reserves, thinking

that we'll restore them later? Sorry, I think that's a dangerous

philosophy, and I know too many people who have tried it, and ended up

in the hospital with malnutrition as a result.

Just my feisty two cents worth!

Tammy Whitney wrote:

> Hi all, I was told before I had the surgery that we should get enough

> protein through food and shouldn't need a protein shake...is this correct?

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Eleanor Oster

eleanor@... (personal address)

www.smallboxes.com/gastricbypass.htm

San , CA

Open RNY (100 cm bypassed) 07/15/2003

P. Fisher, M.D., Kaiser Richmond (CA)

~5'9 " tall

05/09/2003 319 Orientation

07/15/2003 ~290 Surgery

Current 150-155 Goal until plastics?

July 16, 2005