Re: Mucilaginous Foods and SCD

[Guest guest]

you could try coconut flour as a thickener.HTHBelleSubject: Mucilaginous Foods and SCDTo: BTVC-SCD Date: Thursday, August 27, 2009, 7:59 AM

Foods that include what I will call thickeners and slickeners -- stuff we put in gravies, sauces, and creamy desserts to make them smooth and make them stick together, stuff such as corn starch and gelatin -- are illegal on our diet.

Rennet, a protease enzyme, is advertised to do the job that the illegal stuff does, but aside from the fact that the commercially available rennet contains corn starch, has anyone had any luck with it?

I tried the one legal slickener/thickener , the Indian tuber that was mentioned as permissable in BTVC; but it took tons of it to thicken creamy milk!

Any suggestions? My pancreas tolerates fermented dairy, fruit and soaked, sun-dried nuts the best. I would like to find ways of *dressing up* the fermented dairy into custards without cooking it with eggs and losing the enzymes that my pancreas has to have.

Ann

[Guest guest]

you could try coconut flour as a thickener.HTHBelleSubject: Mucilaginous Foods and SCDTo: BTVC-SCD Date: Thursday, August 27, 2009, 7:59 AM

Foods that include what I will call thickeners and slickeners -- stuff we put in gravies, sauces, and creamy desserts to make them smooth and make them stick together, stuff such as corn starch and gelatin -- are illegal on our diet.

Rennet, a protease enzyme, is advertised to do the job that the illegal stuff does, but aside from the fact that the commercially available rennet contains corn starch, has anyone had any luck with it?

I tried the one legal slickener/thickener , the Indian tuber that was mentioned as permissable in BTVC; but it took tons of it to thicken creamy milk!

Any suggestions? My pancreas tolerates fermented dairy, fruit and soaked, sun-dried nuts the best. I would like to find ways of *dressing up* the fermented dairy into custards without cooking it with eggs and losing the enzymes that my pancreas has to have.

Ann

[Guest guest]

Not sure if this is the sort of thing you're wanting but pureed cauliflower

makes a creamy texture sauce.

Alison

[Guest guest]

Not sure if this is the sort of thing you're wanting but pureed cauliflower

makes a creamy texture sauce.

Alison

[Guest guest]

Not sure if this is the sort of thing you're wanting but pureed cauliflower

makes a creamy texture sauce.

Alison

[Guest guest]

stuff such as corn starch and gelatin -- are illegal on our diet.Isn't gelatin legal? Pour Dieu, pour terre,Alyssa 15UC April 2008, diagnosed Sept 2008SCD June 2009 (restarted)No meds =)

[Guest guest]

At 04:23 PM 8/27/2009, you wrote:

Isn't gelatin

legal?

Gelatin is SCD-legal, so long as nothing ilegal has been added to

it.

—

Marilyn

New

Orleans, Louisiana, USA

Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

Darn Good SCD Cook

No Human Children

Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

[Guest guest]

At 04:23 PM 8/27/2009, you wrote:

Isn't gelatin

legal?

Gelatin is SCD-legal, so long as nothing ilegal has been added to

it.

—

Marilyn

New

Orleans, Louisiana, USA

Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

Darn Good SCD Cook

No Human Children

Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

[Guest guest]

At 04:23 PM 8/27/2009, you wrote:

Isn't gelatin

legal?

Gelatin is SCD-legal, so long as nothing ilegal has been added to

it.

—

Marilyn

New

Orleans, Louisiana, USA

Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

Darn Good SCD Cook

No Human Children

Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

[Guest guest]

You are mistaken about gelatin not being legal. It is legal

and even allowed on the intro diet.

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> Foods that include what I will call thickeners and slickeners -- stuff we put

in gravies, sauces, and creamy desserts to make them smooth and make them stick

together, stuff such as corn starch and gelatin -- are illegal on our diet.

>

> Rennet, a protease enzyme, is advertised to do the job that the illegal stuff

does, but aside from the fact that the commercially available rennet contains

corn starch, has anyone had any luck with it?

>

> I tried the one legal slickener/thickener, the Indian tuber that was mentioned

as permissable in BTVC; but it took tons of it to thicken creamy milk!

>

> Any suggestions? My pancreas tolerates fermented dairy, fruit and soaked,

sun-dried nuts the best. I would like to find ways of *dressing up* the

fermented dairy into custards without cooking it with eggs and losing the

enzymes that my pancreas has to have.

> Ann

>

[Guest guest]

I have tried it and for me it does not work. I do not cook my food, so it is

really hard to make anything work in a cold liquid except gelatin and I know

that is not helpful to those with pancreatic enzyme deficiency.

Ann

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> From: ann_garner

> Subject: Mucilaginous Foods and SCD

> To: BTVC-SCD

> Date: Thursday, August 27, 2009, 7:59 AM

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> Foods that include what I will call thickeners and

slickeners -- stuff we put in gravies, sauces, and creamy desserts to make them

smooth and make them stick together, stuff such as corn starch and gelatin --

are illegal on our diet.

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> Rennet, a protease enzyme, is advertised to do the job that the illegal stuff

does, but aside from the fact that the commercially available rennet contains

corn starch, has anyone had any luck with it?

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> I tried the one legal slickener/thickener , the Indian tuber that was

mentioned as permissable in BTVC; but it took tons of it to thicken creamy milk!

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> Any suggestions? My pancreas tolerates fermented dairy, fruit and soaked,

sun-dried nuts the best. I would like to find ways of *dressing up* the

fermented dairy into custards without cooking it with eggs and losing the

enzymes that my pancreas has to have.

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> Ann

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[Guest guest]

Thanks Ali. I don't cook my food, so I am wondering if there is a legal thing

on earth that will thicken in a cool or only lukewarm liquid. I am really

wishing to make my fermented (curdled) milk into a creamy dessert, smooth and

firm, like custard -- still uncooked.

Ann

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> Not sure if this is the sort of thing you're wanting but pureed cauliflower

> makes a creamy texture sauce.

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> Alison

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[Guest guest]

Thanks Ali. I don't cook my food, so I am wondering if there is a legal thing

on earth that will thicken in a cool or only lukewarm liquid. I am really

wishing to make my fermented (curdled) milk into a creamy dessert, smooth and

firm, like custard -- still uncooked.

Ann

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> Not sure if this is the sort of thing you're wanting but pureed cauliflower

> makes a creamy texture sauce.

>

> Alison

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Ali. I don't cook my food, so I am wondering if there is a legal thing

on earth that will thicken in a cool or only lukewarm liquid. I am really

wishing to make my fermented (curdled) milk into a creamy dessert, smooth and

firm, like custard -- still uncooked.

Ann

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> Not sure if this is the sort of thing you're wanting but pureed cauliflower

> makes a creamy texture sauce.

>

> Alison

>

[Guest guest]

It is supposed to be hard to digest for pancreatic enzyme deficiency patients.

But if many other SCD users are okay with it, maybe I could get by with it.

Especially if I take an enzyme supplement including the protease necessary to

break down the protein in the gelatin. (The protein is still there, but it has

no enzymes to help break it down, because the hoof and cartilage have been

boiled.) Raw protein will break itself down for me, niiiiice!

Ann

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> > stuff such as corn starch and gelatin -- are illegal on our diet.

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> Isn't gelatin legal?

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> Pour Dieu, pour terre,

> Alyssa 15

> UC April 2008, diagnosed Sept 2008

> SCD June 2009 (restarted)

> No meds =)

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks, others have said so, too. I will try some Knox gelatin in my fermented

milk to make a dessert, then take my supplementary protease so that I can digest

it.

Ann

> >

> > Foods that include what I will call thickeners and slickeners -- stuff we

put in gravies, sauces, and creamy desserts to make them smooth and make them

stick together, stuff such as corn starch and gelatin -- are illegal on our

diet.

> >

> > Rennet, a protease enzyme, is advertised to do the job that the illegal

stuff does, but aside from the fact that the commercially available rennet

contains corn starch, has anyone had any luck with it?

> >

> > I tried the one legal slickener/thickener, the Indian tuber that was

mentioned as permissable in BTVC; but it took tons of it to thicken creamy milk!

> >

> > Any suggestions? My pancreas tolerates fermented dairy, fruit and soaked,

sun-dried nuts the best. I would like to find ways of *dressing up* the

fermented dairy into custards without cooking it with eggs and losing the

enzymes that my pancreas has to have.

> > Ann

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks, others have said so, too. I will try some Knox gelatin in my fermented

milk to make a dessert, then take my supplementary protease so that I can digest

it.

Ann

> >

> > Foods that include what I will call thickeners and slickeners -- stuff we

put in gravies, sauces, and creamy desserts to make them smooth and make them

stick together, stuff such as corn starch and gelatin -- are illegal on our

diet.

> >

> > Rennet, a protease enzyme, is advertised to do the job that the illegal

stuff does, but aside from the fact that the commercially available rennet

contains corn starch, has anyone had any luck with it?

> >

> > I tried the one legal slickener/thickener, the Indian tuber that was

mentioned as permissable in BTVC; but it took tons of it to thicken creamy milk!

> >

> > Any suggestions? My pancreas tolerates fermented dairy, fruit and soaked,

sun-dried nuts the best. I would like to find ways of *dressing up* the

fermented dairy into custards without cooking it with eggs and losing the

enzymes that my pancreas has to have.

> > Ann

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks, others have said so, too. I will try some Knox gelatin in my fermented

milk to make a dessert, then take my supplementary protease so that I can digest

it.

Ann

> >

> > Foods that include what I will call thickeners and slickeners -- stuff we

put in gravies, sauces, and creamy desserts to make them smooth and make them

stick together, stuff such as corn starch and gelatin -- are illegal on our

diet.

> >

> > Rennet, a protease enzyme, is advertised to do the job that the illegal

stuff does, but aside from the fact that the commercially available rennet

contains corn starch, has anyone had any luck with it?

> >

> > I tried the one legal slickener/thickener, the Indian tuber that was

mentioned as permissable in BTVC; but it took tons of it to thicken creamy milk!

> >

> > Any suggestions? My pancreas tolerates fermented dairy, fruit and soaked,

sun-dried nuts the best. I would like to find ways of *dressing up* the

fermented dairy into custards without cooking it with eggs and losing the

enzymes that my pancreas has to have.

> > Ann

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Good to hear from all who are explaining gelatin's status. I will use it with

supplementary enzymes to help me digest the protein.

Ann

> >Isn't gelatin legal?

>

> Gelatin is SCD-legal, so long as nothing ilegal has been added to it.

>

>

> — Marilyn

> New Orleans, Louisiana, USA

> Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

> Darn Good SCD Cook

> No Human Children

> Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

>

[Guest guest]

At 09:55 PM 8/27/2009, you wrote:

It is supposed to be hard to

digest for pancreatic enzyme deficiency patients. But if many other SCD

users are okay with it, maybe I could get by with it. Especially if I

take an enzyme supplement including the protease necessary to break down

the protein in the gelatin. (The protein is still there, but it has no

enzymes to help break it down, because the hoof and cartilage have been

boiled.) Raw protein will break itself down for me,

niiiiice!

One thing you have to recognize though is that just because something is

SCD legal doesn't mean you will tolerate it -- and conversely, just

because you tolerate a certain SCD-legal item doesn't mean someone else

will. (Took me awhile to get that one through my skull....)

F'rinstance, I do much better with rare beef or bison... or I need it

cooked to shreds. Medium beef or bison sits like a lump in my

stomach.

OTOH, I do fine with cooked vegetables (I got into the habit of enjoying

them peeled), but have to be cautious with quantities of raw ones. SO,

everyone is different.

—

Marilyn

New

Orleans, Louisiana, USA

Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

Darn Good SCD Cook

No Human Children

Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

[Guest guest]

At 09:55 PM 8/27/2009, you wrote:

It is supposed to be hard to

digest for pancreatic enzyme deficiency patients. But if many other SCD

users are okay with it, maybe I could get by with it. Especially if I

take an enzyme supplement including the protease necessary to break down

the protein in the gelatin. (The protein is still there, but it has no

enzymes to help break it down, because the hoof and cartilage have been

boiled.) Raw protein will break itself down for me,

niiiiice!

One thing you have to recognize though is that just because something is

SCD legal doesn't mean you will tolerate it -- and conversely, just

because you tolerate a certain SCD-legal item doesn't mean someone else

will. (Took me awhile to get that one through my skull....)

F'rinstance, I do much better with rare beef or bison... or I need it

cooked to shreds. Medium beef or bison sits like a lump in my

stomach.

OTOH, I do fine with cooked vegetables (I got into the habit of enjoying

them peeled), but have to be cautious with quantities of raw ones. SO,

everyone is different.

—

Marilyn

New

Orleans, Louisiana, USA

Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

Darn Good SCD Cook

No Human Children

Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

[Guest guest]

At 09:55 PM 8/27/2009, you wrote:

It is supposed to be hard to

digest for pancreatic enzyme deficiency patients. But if many other SCD

users are okay with it, maybe I could get by with it. Especially if I

take an enzyme supplement including the protease necessary to break down

the protein in the gelatin. (The protein is still there, but it has no

enzymes to help break it down, because the hoof and cartilage have been

boiled.) Raw protein will break itself down for me,

niiiiice!

One thing you have to recognize though is that just because something is

SCD legal doesn't mean you will tolerate it -- and conversely, just

because you tolerate a certain SCD-legal item doesn't mean someone else

will. (Took me awhile to get that one through my skull....)

F'rinstance, I do much better with rare beef or bison... or I need it

cooked to shreds. Medium beef or bison sits like a lump in my

stomach.

OTOH, I do fine with cooked vegetables (I got into the habit of enjoying

them peeled), but have to be cautious with quantities of raw ones. SO,

everyone is different.

—

Marilyn

New

Orleans, Louisiana, USA

Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

Darn Good SCD Cook

No Human Children

Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

[Guest guest]

Thank you, Marilyn, for your good advice. I find that I have to stay pretty

much with raw fruits; most of the vegetables that I digest well are actually

fruits, such as avocado and tomato. And melons I cannot tolerate in any form

;-(

Do you dehydrate your bison? It is available in my area. I might try some of

that, though I do not eat beef, pork, lamb or turkey and chicken.

The rare duck I will dehydrate. I often eat marinated raw fish of various

kinds. And of course, the cold-smoked salmon (lox).

Just because at least two meals a day contain a lot of fermented milk, I would

like to chew on it a bit more often in the form of a dessert. So I am going to

try the Knox gelatin, and take a bit more of my enzyme supplement when I

indulge.

Thanks again,

Ann

> >It is supposed to be hard to digest for

> >pancreatic enzyme deficiency patients. But if

> >many other SCD users are okay with it, maybe I

> >could get by with it. Especially if I take an

> >enzyme supplement including the protease

> >necessary to break down the protein in the

> >gelatin. (The protein is still there, but it has

> >no enzymes to help break it down, because the

> >hoof and cartilage have been boiled.) Raw

> >protein will break itself down for me, niiiiice!

>

> One thing you have to recognize though is that

> just because something is SCD legal doesn't mean

> you will tolerate it -- and conversely, just

> because you tolerate a certain SCD-legal item

> doesn't mean someone else will. (Took me awhile

> to get that one through my skull....)

>

> F'rinstance, I do much better with rare beef or

> bison... or I need it cooked to shreds. Medium

> beef or bison sits like a lump in my stomach.

>

> OTOH, I do fine with cooked vegetables (I got

> into the habit of enjoying them peeled), but have

> to be cautious with quantities of raw ones. SO, everyone is different.

>

>

>

> — Marilyn

> New Orleans, Louisiana, USA

> Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

> Darn Good SCD Cook

> No Human Children

> Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you, Marilyn, for your good advice. I find that I have to stay pretty

much with raw fruits; most of the vegetables that I digest well are actually

fruits, such as avocado and tomato. And melons I cannot tolerate in any form

;-(

Do you dehydrate your bison? It is available in my area. I might try some of

that, though I do not eat beef, pork, lamb or turkey and chicken.

The rare duck I will dehydrate. I often eat marinated raw fish of various

kinds. And of course, the cold-smoked salmon (lox).

Just because at least two meals a day contain a lot of fermented milk, I would

like to chew on it a bit more often in the form of a dessert. So I am going to

try the Knox gelatin, and take a bit more of my enzyme supplement when I

indulge.

Thanks again,

Ann

> >It is supposed to be hard to digest for

> >pancreatic enzyme deficiency patients. But if

> >many other SCD users are okay with it, maybe I

> >could get by with it. Especially if I take an

> >enzyme supplement including the protease

> >necessary to break down the protein in the

> >gelatin. (The protein is still there, but it has

> >no enzymes to help break it down, because the

> >hoof and cartilage have been boiled.) Raw

> >protein will break itself down for me, niiiiice!

>

> One thing you have to recognize though is that

> just because something is SCD legal doesn't mean

> you will tolerate it -- and conversely, just

> because you tolerate a certain SCD-legal item

> doesn't mean someone else will. (Took me awhile

> to get that one through my skull....)

>

> F'rinstance, I do much better with rare beef or

> bison... or I need it cooked to shreds. Medium

> beef or bison sits like a lump in my stomach.

>

> OTOH, I do fine with cooked vegetables (I got

> into the habit of enjoying them peeled), but have

> to be cautious with quantities of raw ones. SO, everyone is different.

>

>

>

> — Marilyn

> New Orleans, Louisiana, USA

> Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

> Darn Good SCD Cook

> No Human Children

> Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you, Marilyn, for your good advice. I find that I have to stay pretty

much with raw fruits; most of the vegetables that I digest well are actually

fruits, such as avocado and tomato. And melons I cannot tolerate in any form

;-(

Do you dehydrate your bison? It is available in my area. I might try some of

that, though I do not eat beef, pork, lamb or turkey and chicken.

The rare duck I will dehydrate. I often eat marinated raw fish of various

kinds. And of course, the cold-smoked salmon (lox).

Just because at least two meals a day contain a lot of fermented milk, I would

like to chew on it a bit more often in the form of a dessert. So I am going to

try the Knox gelatin, and take a bit more of my enzyme supplement when I

indulge.

Thanks again,

Ann

> >It is supposed to be hard to digest for

> >pancreatic enzyme deficiency patients. But if

> >many other SCD users are okay with it, maybe I

> >could get by with it. Especially if I take an

> >enzyme supplement including the protease

> >necessary to break down the protein in the

> >gelatin. (The protein is still there, but it has

> >no enzymes to help break it down, because the

> >hoof and cartilage have been boiled.) Raw

> >protein will break itself down for me, niiiiice!

>

> One thing you have to recognize though is that

> just because something is SCD legal doesn't mean

> you will tolerate it -- and conversely, just

> because you tolerate a certain SCD-legal item

> doesn't mean someone else will. (Took me awhile

> to get that one through my skull....)

>

> F'rinstance, I do much better with rare beef or

> bison... or I need it cooked to shreds. Medium

> beef or bison sits like a lump in my stomach.

>

> OTOH, I do fine with cooked vegetables (I got

> into the habit of enjoying them peeled), but have

> to be cautious with quantities of raw ones. SO, everyone is different.

>

>

>

> — Marilyn

> New Orleans, Louisiana, USA

> Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

> Darn Good SCD Cook

> No Human Children

> Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

>