Re: SCD - illegal supplement question

August 11, 2009

Dear Moderator,

Can you answer my question? I have reviewed the ingredients on all of the

" legal " and " illegal " lists I can find and do not see these listed on either. I

am most interested in GABA, as I believe it to help with my sons sleep. Thanks

>

> Hello,

> I have a question about some supplements my son is taking. He has been on the

SCD diet for a few weeks, but I still have questions on the following

supplements (both from Kirkman); They are: Gaba-(Niacinamide, Inositol, GABA) &

Calcium -(Calcium-elemental,Vitamin D).

> Any help with these would be great. Thanks.

> Mark

>

August 11, 2009

Dear Moderator,

Can you answer my question? I have reviewed the ingredients on all of the

" legal " and " illegal " lists I can find and do not see these listed on either. I

am most interested in GABA, as I believe it to help with my sons sleep. Thanks

>

> Hello,

> I have a question about some supplements my son is taking. He has been on the

SCD diet for a few weeks, but I still have questions on the following

supplements (both from Kirkman); They are: Gaba-(Niacinamide, Inositol, GABA) &

Calcium -(Calcium-elemental,Vitamin D).

> Any help with these would be great. Thanks.

> Mark

>

August 11, 2009

Dear Moderator,

Can you answer my question? I have reviewed the ingredients on all of the

" legal " and " illegal " lists I can find and do not see these listed on either. I

am most interested in GABA, as I believe it to help with my sons sleep. Thanks

>

> Hello,

> I have a question about some supplements my son is taking. He has been on the

SCD diet for a few weeks, but I still have questions on the following

supplements (both from Kirkman); They are: Gaba-(Niacinamide, Inositol, GABA) &

Calcium -(Calcium-elemental,Vitamin D).

> Any help with these would be great. Thanks.

> Mark

>

August 12, 2009

Hi there,

I am not the Moderator and I don't know if GABA is " legal. "

Just wanted to add my experience with GABA. It hyped me up so much I

couldn't get to sleep for 48 hours. Even at a very low dose. So if

you choose to try it for your son, start out very slowly.

Inositol which helps some people sleep also hyped me up and brought

back severe IBS symptoms for me. Proceed with caution.

Have you done a search in the archives on GABA? The topic may have

come up before.

All the Best,

Hannah

At 06:42 PM 8/11/2009, you wrote:

>

>Dear Moderator,

>Can you answer my question? I have reviewed the ingredients on all

>of the " legal " and " illegal " lists I can find and do not see these

>listed on either. I am most interested in GABA, as I believe it to

>help with my sons sleep. Thanks

August 12, 2009

Hi there,

I am not the Moderator and I don't know if GABA is " legal. "

Just wanted to add my experience with GABA. It hyped me up so much I

couldn't get to sleep for 48 hours. Even at a very low dose. So if

you choose to try it for your son, start out very slowly.

Inositol which helps some people sleep also hyped me up and brought

back severe IBS symptoms for me. Proceed with caution.

Have you done a search in the archives on GABA? The topic may have

come up before.

All the Best,

Hannah

At 06:42 PM 8/11/2009, you wrote:

>

>Dear Moderator,

>Can you answer my question? I have reviewed the ingredients on all

>of the " legal " and " illegal " lists I can find and do not see these

>listed on either. I am most interested in GABA, as I believe it to

>help with my sons sleep. Thanks

August 12, 2009

Hi there,

I am not the Moderator and I don't know if GABA is " legal. "

Just wanted to add my experience with GABA. It hyped me up so much I

couldn't get to sleep for 48 hours. Even at a very low dose. So if

you choose to try it for your son, start out very slowly.

Inositol which helps some people sleep also hyped me up and brought

back severe IBS symptoms for me. Proceed with caution.

Have you done a search in the archives on GABA? The topic may have

come up before.

All the Best,

Hannah

At 06:42 PM 8/11/2009, you wrote:

>

>Dear Moderator,

>Can you answer my question? I have reviewed the ingredients on all

>of the " legal " and " illegal " lists I can find and do not see these

>listed on either. I am most interested in GABA, as I believe it to

>help with my sons sleep. Thanks

August 13, 2009

Mark

I missed your earlier post somehow or other. I've done some research into GABA and serotonin, so your post caught my eye.

Your son's GABA with inositol looks fine.

The calcium with vitamin D should be fine but it depends on which form you are using. Can you tell me which product you are using or considering? The exact name, I mean. A few forms of the calcium available from Kirkman Labs contain illegals. Most of the time, liquid or chewable supplements contain additives and/or inert ingredients that we want to avoid.

Kim M.

SCD 5+ years

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Dear Moderator,Can you answer my question? I have reviewed the ingredients on all of the "legal" and "illegal" lists I can find and do not see these listed on either. I am most interested in GABA, as I believe it to help with my sons sleep. Thanks>> Hello,> I have a question about some supplements my son is taking. He has been on the SCD diet for a few weeks, but I still have questions on the following supplements (both from Kirkman); They are: Gaba-(Niacinamide, Inositol, GABA) & Calcium -(Calcium-elemental,Vitamin D). > Any help with these would be great. Thanks.> Mark

August 13, 2009

Mark

I missed your earlier post somehow or other. I've done some research into GABA and serotonin, so your post caught my eye.

Your son's GABA with inositol looks fine.

The calcium with vitamin D should be fine but it depends on which form you are using. Can you tell me which product you are using or considering? The exact name, I mean. A few forms of the calcium available from Kirkman Labs contain illegals. Most of the time, liquid or chewable supplements contain additives and/or inert ingredients that we want to avoid.

Kim M.

SCD 5+ years

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Dear Moderator,Can you answer my question? I have reviewed the ingredients on all of the "legal" and "illegal" lists I can find and do not see these listed on either. I am most interested in GABA, as I believe it to help with my sons sleep. Thanks>> Hello,> I have a question about some supplements my son is taking. He has been on the SCD diet for a few weeks, but I still have questions on the following supplements (both from Kirkman); They are: Gaba-(Niacinamide, Inositol, GABA) & Calcium -(Calcium-elemental,Vitamin D). > Any help with these would be great. Thanks.> Mark

August 13, 2009

Mark

I missed your earlier post somehow or other. I've done some research into GABA and serotonin, so your post caught my eye.

Your son's GABA with inositol looks fine.

The calcium with vitamin D should be fine but it depends on which form you are using. Can you tell me which product you are using or considering? The exact name, I mean. A few forms of the calcium available from Kirkman Labs contain illegals. Most of the time, liquid or chewable supplements contain additives and/or inert ingredients that we want to avoid.

Kim M.

SCD 5+ years

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Dear Moderator,Can you answer my question? I have reviewed the ingredients on all of the "legal" and "illegal" lists I can find and do not see these listed on either. I am most interested in GABA, as I believe it to help with my sons sleep. Thanks>> Hello,> I have a question about some supplements my son is taking. He has been on the SCD diet for a few weeks, but I still have questions on the following supplements (both from Kirkman); They are: Gaba-(Niacinamide, Inositol, GABA) & Calcium -(Calcium-elemental,Vitamin D). > Any help with these would be great. Thanks.> Mark

August 13, 2009

Any of the SSRIs, which work by increasing serotonin, has the same effect on me as you describe with GABA -- plus they set off my upper GI dysfunctions. It's always amazed my doctors who want to prescribe migraine or anti-anxiety meds. In other words, some of us do well with GABA but can't increase serotonin, and other folks can't touch GABA but need extra serotonin.

All depends on the individual, and what types of neurotransmitters our bodies require or tolerate.

Kim M.

SCD 5+ years

>>>>>>>>>>

Just wanted to add my experience with GABA. It hyped me up so much I couldn't get to sleep for 48 hours. Even at a very low dose. So if you choose to try it for your son, start out very slowly.

August 13, 2009

Any of the SSRIs, which work by increasing serotonin, has the same effect on me as you describe with GABA -- plus they set off my upper GI dysfunctions. It's always amazed my doctors who want to prescribe migraine or anti-anxiety meds. In other words, some of us do well with GABA but can't increase serotonin, and other folks can't touch GABA but need extra serotonin.

All depends on the individual, and what types of neurotransmitters our bodies require or tolerate.

Kim M.

SCD 5+ years

>>>>>>>>>>

Just wanted to add my experience with GABA. It hyped me up so much I couldn't get to sleep for 48 hours. Even at a very low dose. So if you choose to try it for your son, start out very slowly.

August 13, 2009

Any of the SSRIs, which work by increasing serotonin, has the same effect on me as you describe with GABA -- plus they set off my upper GI dysfunctions. It's always amazed my doctors who want to prescribe migraine or anti-anxiety meds. In other words, some of us do well with GABA but can't increase serotonin, and other folks can't touch GABA but need extra serotonin.

All depends on the individual, and what types of neurotransmitters our bodies require or tolerate.

Kim M.

SCD 5+ years

>>>>>>>>>>

Just wanted to add my experience with GABA. It hyped me up so much I couldn't get to sleep for 48 hours. Even at a very low dose. So if you choose to try it for your son, start out very slowly.

August 13, 2009

Thanks Kim. Here is the exact name of the Calcium. It is in a capsule form. We

open it up and put into pear sauce. Calcium 200 mg - Bio-Max Series -

Hypoallergenic. We are going to try and go for as long as we can without the

GABA. He seems really good during the day, but night sleep time is going down.

He was up at 5:00am this morning. I am logging everything and we will decide

later. Iw as surprised to hear that affects some the opposite. Interestingly,

,y wife has been taking it for a while and can't sleep like she used to be able

too. She stopped today. MK

> >

> > Hello,

> > I have a question about some supplements my son is taking. He has been on

the SCD diet for a few weeks, but I still have questions on the following

supplements (both from Kirkman); They are: Gaba-(Niacinamide, Inositol, GABA) &

Calcium -(Calcium-elemental,Vitamin D).

> > Any help with these would be great. Thanks.

> > Mark

>

August 13, 2009

Thanks Kim. Here is the exact name of the Calcium. It is in a capsule form. We

open it up and put into pear sauce. Calcium 200 mg - Bio-Max Series -

Hypoallergenic. We are going to try and go for as long as we can without the

GABA. He seems really good during the day, but night sleep time is going down.

He was up at 5:00am this morning. I am logging everything and we will decide

later. Iw as surprised to hear that affects some the opposite. Interestingly,

,y wife has been taking it for a while and can't sleep like she used to be able

too. She stopped today. MK

> >

> > Hello,

> > I have a question about some supplements my son is taking. He has been on

the SCD diet for a few weeks, but I still have questions on the following

supplements (both from Kirkman); They are: Gaba-(Niacinamide, Inositol, GABA) &

Calcium -(Calcium-elemental,Vitamin D).

> > Any help with these would be great. Thanks.

> > Mark

>

August 14, 2009

Kim,

If you would be so kind, could you tell me about this one as well. It is Zinc

(from Kirkman). Thank you very very much. Zinc 20 mg - Bio-Max Series-

Hypoallergenic Capsule.

Mark

> > >

> > > Hello,

> > > I have a question about some supplements my son is taking. He has been on

the SCD diet for a few weeks, but I still have questions on the following

supplements (both from Kirkman); They are: Gaba-(Niacinamide, Inositol, GABA) &

Calcium -(Calcium-elemental,Vitamin D).

> > > Any help with these would be great. Thanks.

> > > Mark

> >

>

August 14, 2009

Kim,

If you would be so kind, could you tell me about this one as well. It is Zinc

(from Kirkman). Thank you very very much. Zinc 20 mg - Bio-Max Series-

Hypoallergenic Capsule.

Mark

> > >

> > > Hello,

> > > I have a question about some supplements my son is taking. He has been on

the SCD diet for a few weeks, but I still have questions on the following

supplements (both from Kirkman); They are: Gaba-(Niacinamide, Inositol, GABA) &

Calcium -(Calcium-elemental,Vitamin D).

> > > Any help with these would be great. Thanks.

> > > Mark

> >

>

August 14, 2009

Kim,

If you would be so kind, could you tell me about this one as well. It is Zinc

(from Kirkman). Thank you very very much. Zinc 20 mg - Bio-Max Series-

Hypoallergenic Capsule.

Mark

> > >

> > > Hello,

> > > I have a question about some supplements my son is taking. He has been on

the SCD diet for a few weeks, but I still have questions on the following

supplements (both from Kirkman); They are: Gaba-(Niacinamide, Inositol, GABA) &

Calcium -(Calcium-elemental,Vitamin D).

> > > Any help with these would be great. Thanks.

> > > Mark

> >

>

August 14, 2009

The Kirkman Labs calcium supplement you describe is fine -- nothing SCD-illegal in it.

One thing I've discovered is that I can't take a GABA supplement every day. The GABA doesn't trigger the severe responses as a SSRI does, but my body works better if I only take a GABA supplement once every 5 to 7 days. My nervous system is already on a regular cycle of doing what I call a "crash" every 10 to 14 days, and one of the early-warning signs of the crash is getting a severe panic/anxiety attack. I haven't found a way to stop the neurological crash, but through trial and error I've found that taking my GABA supplement regularly, every 5 days or so, helps minimize the strength of the crash. And the regular but low dose of GABA keeps my body from going into extreme panic/anxiety mode every few days.

My doctors all tell me to take GABA (or the SSRIs they've had me try, or some other medications) every day, but my body just doesn't tolerate that. I need low doses, just enough to help but not trigger other or worse side-effects. Of course I do the research and discuss this with my doctors who are prescribing the meds. to make sure I don't make things worse. I do pay a lot of attention to my body's signals, and go through a lot of trial and error to find what works for me.

Kim M.

>>>>>>>>>>>

Thanks Kim. Here is the exact name of the Calcium. It is in a capsule form. We open it up and put into pear sauce. Calcium 200 mg - Bio-Max Series - Hypoallergenic. We are going to try and go for as long as we can without the GABA. He seems really good during the day, but night sleep time is going down. He was up at 5:00am this morning. I am logging everything and we will decide later. Iw as surprised to hear that affects some the opposite. Interestingly, ,y wife has been taking it for a while and can't sleep like she used to be able too. She stopped today. MK

August 14, 2009

The Kirkman Labs calcium supplement you describe is fine -- nothing SCD-illegal in it.

One thing I've discovered is that I can't take a GABA supplement every day. The GABA doesn't trigger the severe responses as a SSRI does, but my body works better if I only take a GABA supplement once every 5 to 7 days. My nervous system is already on a regular cycle of doing what I call a "crash" every 10 to 14 days, and one of the early-warning signs of the crash is getting a severe panic/anxiety attack. I haven't found a way to stop the neurological crash, but through trial and error I've found that taking my GABA supplement regularly, every 5 days or so, helps minimize the strength of the crash. And the regular but low dose of GABA keeps my body from going into extreme panic/anxiety mode every few days.

My doctors all tell me to take GABA (or the SSRIs they've had me try, or some other medications) every day, but my body just doesn't tolerate that. I need low doses, just enough to help but not trigger other or worse side-effects. Of course I do the research and discuss this with my doctors who are prescribing the meds. to make sure I don't make things worse. I do pay a lot of attention to my body's signals, and go through a lot of trial and error to find what works for me.

Kim M.

>>>>>>>>>>>

Thanks Kim. Here is the exact name of the Calcium. It is in a capsule form. We open it up and put into pear sauce. Calcium 200 mg - Bio-Max Series - Hypoallergenic. We are going to try and go for as long as we can without the GABA. He seems really good during the day, but night sleep time is going down. He was up at 5:00am this morning. I am logging everything and we will decide later. Iw as surprised to hear that affects some the opposite. Interestingly, ,y wife has been taking it for a while and can't sleep like she used to be able too. She stopped today. MK

August 14, 2009

The Kirkman Labs calcium supplement you describe is fine -- nothing SCD-illegal in it.

One thing I've discovered is that I can't take a GABA supplement every day. The GABA doesn't trigger the severe responses as a SSRI does, but my body works better if I only take a GABA supplement once every 5 to 7 days. My nervous system is already on a regular cycle of doing what I call a "crash" every 10 to 14 days, and one of the early-warning signs of the crash is getting a severe panic/anxiety attack. I haven't found a way to stop the neurological crash, but through trial and error I've found that taking my GABA supplement regularly, every 5 days or so, helps minimize the strength of the crash. And the regular but low dose of GABA keeps my body from going into extreme panic/anxiety mode every few days.

My doctors all tell me to take GABA (or the SSRIs they've had me try, or some other medications) every day, but my body just doesn't tolerate that. I need low doses, just enough to help but not trigger other or worse side-effects. Of course I do the research and discuss this with my doctors who are prescribing the meds. to make sure I don't make things worse. I do pay a lot of attention to my body's signals, and go through a lot of trial and error to find what works for me.

Kim M.

>>>>>>>>>>>

Thanks Kim. Here is the exact name of the Calcium. It is in a capsule form. We open it up and put into pear sauce. Calcium 200 mg - Bio-Max Series - Hypoallergenic. We are going to try and go for as long as we can without the GABA. He seems really good during the day, but night sleep time is going down. He was up at 5:00am this morning. I am logging everything and we will decide later. Iw as surprised to hear that affects some the opposite. Interestingly, ,y wife has been taking it for a while and can't sleep like she used to be able too. She stopped today. MK

August 15, 2009

Mark

The Zinc 20-mg Bio-Max, Hypoallergenic looks fine to me. No illegals in it.

Does your son have any issues with cellulose capsules? You can always empty out the contents from the capsules and mix in water or add to food.

I'm currently investigating liquid minerals. The company from which I get ELyte (for electrolyte boosting drink) has started marketing 8 different (individual) minerals in liquid form. My body handles liquids better than capsules or tablets, so this might be a solution for me. As a matter of fact, I mix all my minerals into water or into my electrolyte-boosting drink because they are absorbed better and don't trigger my upper GI symptoms and don't upset my kidneys. I either purchase powder forms or empty the capsules. I see Kirkman Labs now has some liquid minerals too, so I'll have to do some investigation and comparison. I don't know yet if the liquid forms are SCD-legal.

Anyway, that Zinc looks fine.

Kim M.

>>>>>>>>>>

Kim,If you would be so kind, could you tell me about this one as well. It is Zinc (from Kirkman). Thank you very very much. Zinc 20 mg - Bio-Max Series- Hypoallergenic Capsule. Mark

August 16, 2009

Thanks Kim. We really appreciate it. We mix all of Hayden's supplements into

homemade pear sauce. Did you ever find out about the calcium, or could you

recommend one? Where do you get your liquid minerals. Thanks again for all

of your help.

Mark (for Hayden)

>

> Mark

>

> The Zinc 20-mg Bio-Max, Hypoallergenic looks fine to me. No illegals in it.

>

> Does your son have any issues with cellulose capsules? You can always empty

out the contents from the capsules and mix in water or add to food.

>

> I'm currently investigating liquid minerals. The company from which I get

ELyte (for electrolyte boosting drink) has started marketing 8 different

(individual) minerals in liquid form. My body handles liquids better than

capsules or tablets, so this might be a solution for me. As a matter of fact, I

mix all my minerals into water or into my electrolyte-boosting drink because

they are absorbed better and don't trigger my upper GI symptoms and don't upset

my kidneys. I either purchase powder forms or empty the capsules. I see

Kirkman Labs now has some liquid minerals too, so I'll have to do some

investigation and comparison. I don't know yet if the liquid forms are

SCD-legal.

>

> Anyway, that Zinc looks fine.

>

> Kim M.

>

> >>>>>>>>>>

> Kim,

> If you would be so kind, could you tell me about this one as well. It is Zinc

(from Kirkman). Thank you very very much. Zinc 20 mg - Bio-Max Series-

Hypoallergenic Capsule.

>

> Mark

>

August 16, 2009

At 08:31 PM 8/16/2009, you wrote:

I don't know yet if the liquid

forms are SCD-legal.

Kim,

I checked on the Body-Bio Zinc, and it was apparently legal. In any case,

I used it without a problem after my surgery because I wanted to keep the

zince levels up to promote healing.

Of course <grin> you and I tolerate different things....

—

Marilyn

New

Orleans, Louisiana, USA

Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

Darn Good SCD Cook

No Human Children

Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

August 17, 2009

Hi,

Maybe I'm the only one who uses d-Ribose but I thought I'd report on

my investigation. d-Ribose is one of the things that helps those of

use with major energy-producing problems at the mitochrondrial level.

Several of the good alternative docs whose newsletters I trust have

been recommending it. So I got some. It really does help. It's a

white powder, and a simple sugar that apparently goes right to the

mitochondria and I guess is particularly helpful for those of us with

malabsorption, etc. They say to use it up to 5 times a day for fibro, at least.

So, you know what happened. The other day I got to wondering if it is

legal. And, ta-da!, d-Ribose is a mono saccharide and is even

specifically listed as such in this interesting web site on the

various kinds of carbs:

http://www.scientificpsychic.com/fitness/carbohydrates.html

Of course as always this leaves open the question of whether a

particular brand has anything else in it, but the basic item is

clearly a mono-saccharide and I thought I'd mention this because it

really is a help for energy, especially if I have been out in the big

bad world or doing some work or something. A scoop of this in water

or juice (or on something) really helps. Supposedly it does not in

any way affect blood sugar and it doesn't mess up my hypoglcemia, but

of course I can't say for sure about a given person's reactions with

diabetes.

August 17, 2009