Re: Elaine questions

[Guest guest]

At 07:18 AM 9/15/2009, you wrote:

The variances that Elaine

advocated in BTCV from Haas and Haas's book, were these

" changes " sanctioned by Haas?

Dr. Haas had passed away before Elaine got her degree in gut biology, and

so could not approve the changes. A couple of the modifications, she

said, were because Dr. Haas, as a medical doctor, could prescribe certain

medicines to go along with the diet, which, as a non-MD, she could not.

These changes were based, however, in her intense research into gut

biology, biofilms, and all the rest. She basically wanted a diet which

could be implemented by anyone.

>> Did she ever talk about Haas bringing up Candida at

all? <<

I know that she mentioned Candida. I do not recall that she ever

mentioned that he had talked about it. Recall that Dr. Haas passed in the

early 1960s.

>> Did Elaine claim that the SCD is an anti Candida diet? What was

her opinion on Candida and did she feel people need to modify their diet

for a time and then resume legal carbs? I read the website I was just

wondering if there is more info on the topic about her thoughts.

<<

Because SCD is about SPECIFIC carbohydrates, and not LIMITING

carbohydrates, which most Candida diets do, I do not believe Elaine

considered SCD to be specifically for Candida. BUT: by modifying our

diets, and converting our digestion back to human digestion instead of

rumen digestion (bacterial based), she did feel that SCD could be of

benefit to Candida people. She recognized that everyone had to modify

SCD, within the legal food parameters, to meet their particular dietary

needs.

I do remember mentioning to her that I felt better with significantly

reduced carbs, and her response was, " Just remember that SCD isn't

the Atkins Diet, and the object isn't to go ketogenic. "

—

Marilyn

New

Orleans, Louisiana, USA

Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

Darn Good SCD Cook

No Human Children

Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

[Guest guest]

Here is what I've found:

http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info/knowledge_base/kb/low_carbohydrate_scd.h\

tm

Elaine writes:

Even on our list there are a few people who insist they have to have no carbs to

get well. This is not the mantra of the SCD™. Bacterial and yeast infections go

hand in hand. As the SCD™ decreases the number of both or either one, you will

improve. No one can really tell you all the details of the 400 plus critters

down there in your gut. Get on SCD™ as recommended in the book. Cook and peel

all fruits (other than banana) as instructed and see how much progress your

make. Don't assume what you have until you give SCD™ a fair try of 3-4 weeks.

You might want to strain your homemade yoghurt at the beginning and go slowly

with it.

http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info/knowledge_base/kb/protein_requirements.h\

tm

From Elaine:

Great care was made by Dr. Sidney Valentine Haas to include the foods in

SCD™which, when used intelligently, would comprise a well balanced, healthful,

therapeutic diet. I worked very hard, even on the infant formula (Available in

Breaking the Vicious Cycle) to do the same. Many of you were a bit disturbed

with me when I became emphatic (ballistic) when members of the list kept pushing

a low carobohydrate diet and I even threatened to take it to the courts because

SCD™is not a low carb diet. This issue needs some further explanation and I will

copy verbatim from one of my " bibles, " :

Note from Elaine:

Remember: SCD™ is not a low carb, high protein diet and those trying to make it

one are perverting it.

Holly

Crohn's

SCD 12/01/08

>

> I was wondering..

>

> The variances that Elaine advocated in BTCV from Haas and Haas's book, were

these " changes " sanctioned by Haas?

>

> Did she ever talk about Haas bringing up Candida at all?

>

> Did Elaine claim that the SCD is an anti Candida diet? What was her opinion

on Candida and did she feel people need to modify their diet for a time and then

resume legal carbs? I read the website I was just wondering if there is more

info on the topic about her thoughts.

>

> Thanks!

> Jodi

>

[Guest guest]

Here is what I've found:

http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info/knowledge_base/kb/low_carbohydrate_scd.h\

tm

Elaine writes:

Even on our list there are a few people who insist they have to have no carbs to

get well. This is not the mantra of the SCD™. Bacterial and yeast infections go

hand in hand. As the SCD™ decreases the number of both or either one, you will

improve. No one can really tell you all the details of the 400 plus critters

down there in your gut. Get on SCD™ as recommended in the book. Cook and peel

all fruits (other than banana) as instructed and see how much progress your

make. Don't assume what you have until you give SCD™ a fair try of 3-4 weeks.

You might want to strain your homemade yoghurt at the beginning and go slowly

with it.

http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info/knowledge_base/kb/protein_requirements.h\

tm

From Elaine:

Great care was made by Dr. Sidney Valentine Haas to include the foods in

SCD™which, when used intelligently, would comprise a well balanced, healthful,

therapeutic diet. I worked very hard, even on the infant formula (Available in

Breaking the Vicious Cycle) to do the same. Many of you were a bit disturbed

with me when I became emphatic (ballistic) when members of the list kept pushing

a low carobohydrate diet and I even threatened to take it to the courts because

SCD™is not a low carb diet. This issue needs some further explanation and I will

copy verbatim from one of my " bibles, " :

Note from Elaine:

Remember: SCD™ is not a low carb, high protein diet and those trying to make it

one are perverting it.

Holly

Crohn's

SCD 12/01/08

>

> I was wondering..

>

> The variances that Elaine advocated in BTCV from Haas and Haas's book, were

these " changes " sanctioned by Haas?

>

> Did she ever talk about Haas bringing up Candida at all?

>

> Did Elaine claim that the SCD is an anti Candida diet? What was her opinion

on Candida and did she feel people need to modify their diet for a time and then

resume legal carbs? I read the website I was just wondering if there is more

info on the topic about her thoughts.

>

> Thanks!

> Jodi

>

[Guest guest]

Did Elaine claim that the SCD is an anti Candida diet? What was her opinion on Candida and did she feel people need to modify their diet for a time and then resume legal carbs? I read the website I was just wondering if there is more info on the topic about her thoughts.

Hi Jodi,

Hope this helps.

Pat

Elaine writes:The original Candidiasis theory was promulgated by Dr. Orion Truss almost 20 yeaers ago. Many writers of books and others have perverted this theory ad nauseum. Dr. Truss is referenced in my chapter on the brain. If you read his book, carefully, he says he put all his overgrowth of yeast patients who were extremely ill on an ALL MEAT DIET. Unfortunately, other writers PERVERTED this whole theory and wrote books advocating grains, etc. Dr. Truss knew carbs were the problem but he did not have a food biochemistry background and I assume he did not know how to differentiate one carb from another. Yeast overgrowth is always accompanied by bacterial overgrowth and should be treated by the SCD.

Elaine writes:How did you get in trouble with SCD? Did you try it and react badly and then find out you had the yeast infection. Or were you told by some professional or otherwise (thru any number of hocus pocus tests) that you had a yeast and bacterial and therefore should not attempt SCD.. My opinion is that they are treated with the same diet. They are riding piggy back on each other and are usually overgrown in a person. the word "microbe" in BTVC means bacteria and/or yeast. But if you went on SCD and had trouble, then I can't blame you for getting more restrictive. How I hate to see you have to do this.

Elaine writes:

Candidiasis is an overgrowth of yeast. Altho some yeast are normally present in the gut, because of antibiotic use, etc., they get an upper-hand and the harmonious balance between 400 different kinds of bacteria and yeast supposedly is lost. When this happens, the "territory" becomes overridden with mainly one microbe, the yeast, and their byproducts and characteristics can lead to disease. This theory was first brought forth by Dr. Orion Truss who wrote The Missing Diagnosis. Dr. Truss is referenced in my chapter on the Brain Connection. He mentioned carbohydrates, birth control pills, antibiotic use as contributing factors. I, personally, think his book was very important. However, in years following, others wrote books and some included self-diagnosis which led many people to to diagnose themselves and the test was so inclusive that everyone and his uncle decided he/she had candidiasis. Mainstream medicine recognizes yeast overgrowth and they do have drugs such as nystatin, etc. to treat it. Of course, they do not understand diet on the molecular basis so you usually don't get much help diet wise. I think it is impossible to get rid of yeast overgrowth without including diet. As for C. difficile, it is a bacterium which usually developes after the use of certain antibiotics like clindamysin and is different than candidiasis. But because there is such a hodgepodge of microbial (bacteria and yeast) growth in the gut, one could have one and the other as they ride "piggeyback" on each other and often work symbiotically (one helping the other).

[Guest guest]

Did Elaine claim that the SCD is an anti Candida diet? What was her opinion on Candida and did she feel people need to modify their diet for a time and then resume legal carbs? I read the website I was just wondering if there is more info on the topic about her thoughts.

Hi Jodi,

Hope this helps.

Pat

Elaine writes:The original Candidiasis theory was promulgated by Dr. Orion Truss almost 20 yeaers ago. Many writers of books and others have perverted this theory ad nauseum. Dr. Truss is referenced in my chapter on the brain. If you read his book, carefully, he says he put all his overgrowth of yeast patients who were extremely ill on an ALL MEAT DIET. Unfortunately, other writers PERVERTED this whole theory and wrote books advocating grains, etc. Dr. Truss knew carbs were the problem but he did not have a food biochemistry background and I assume he did not know how to differentiate one carb from another. Yeast overgrowth is always accompanied by bacterial overgrowth and should be treated by the SCD.

Elaine writes:How did you get in trouble with SCD? Did you try it and react badly and then find out you had the yeast infection. Or were you told by some professional or otherwise (thru any number of hocus pocus tests) that you had a yeast and bacterial and therefore should not attempt SCD.. My opinion is that they are treated with the same diet. They are riding piggy back on each other and are usually overgrown in a person. the word "microbe" in BTVC means bacteria and/or yeast. But if you went on SCD and had trouble, then I can't blame you for getting more restrictive. How I hate to see you have to do this.

Elaine writes:

Candidiasis is an overgrowth of yeast. Altho some yeast are normally present in the gut, because of antibiotic use, etc., they get an upper-hand and the harmonious balance between 400 different kinds of bacteria and yeast supposedly is lost. When this happens, the "territory" becomes overridden with mainly one microbe, the yeast, and their byproducts and characteristics can lead to disease. This theory was first brought forth by Dr. Orion Truss who wrote The Missing Diagnosis. Dr. Truss is referenced in my chapter on the Brain Connection. He mentioned carbohydrates, birth control pills, antibiotic use as contributing factors. I, personally, think his book was very important. However, in years following, others wrote books and some included self-diagnosis which led many people to to diagnose themselves and the test was so inclusive that everyone and his uncle decided he/she had candidiasis. Mainstream medicine recognizes yeast overgrowth and they do have drugs such as nystatin, etc. to treat it. Of course, they do not understand diet on the molecular basis so you usually don't get much help diet wise. I think it is impossible to get rid of yeast overgrowth without including diet. As for C. difficile, it is a bacterium which usually developes after the use of certain antibiotics like clindamysin and is different than candidiasis. But because there is such a hodgepodge of microbial (bacteria and yeast) growth in the gut, one could have one and the other as they ride "piggeyback" on each other and often work symbiotically (one helping the other).

[Guest guest]

Did Elaine claim that the SCD is an anti Candida diet? What was her opinion on Candida and did she feel people need to modify their diet for a time and then resume legal carbs? I read the website I was just wondering if there is more info on the topic about her thoughts.

Hi Jodi,

Hope this helps.

Pat

Elaine writes:The original Candidiasis theory was promulgated by Dr. Orion Truss almost 20 yeaers ago. Many writers of books and others have perverted this theory ad nauseum. Dr. Truss is referenced in my chapter on the brain. If you read his book, carefully, he says he put all his overgrowth of yeast patients who were extremely ill on an ALL MEAT DIET. Unfortunately, other writers PERVERTED this whole theory and wrote books advocating grains, etc. Dr. Truss knew carbs were the problem but he did not have a food biochemistry background and I assume he did not know how to differentiate one carb from another. Yeast overgrowth is always accompanied by bacterial overgrowth and should be treated by the SCD.

Elaine writes:How did you get in trouble with SCD? Did you try it and react badly and then find out you had the yeast infection. Or were you told by some professional or otherwise (thru any number of hocus pocus tests) that you had a yeast and bacterial and therefore should not attempt SCD.. My opinion is that they are treated with the same diet. They are riding piggy back on each other and are usually overgrown in a person. the word "microbe" in BTVC means bacteria and/or yeast. But if you went on SCD and had trouble, then I can't blame you for getting more restrictive. How I hate to see you have to do this.

Elaine writes:

Candidiasis is an overgrowth of yeast. Altho some yeast are normally present in the gut, because of antibiotic use, etc., they get an upper-hand and the harmonious balance between 400 different kinds of bacteria and yeast supposedly is lost. When this happens, the "territory" becomes overridden with mainly one microbe, the yeast, and their byproducts and characteristics can lead to disease. This theory was first brought forth by Dr. Orion Truss who wrote The Missing Diagnosis. Dr. Truss is referenced in my chapter on the Brain Connection. He mentioned carbohydrates, birth control pills, antibiotic use as contributing factors. I, personally, think his book was very important. However, in years following, others wrote books and some included self-diagnosis which led many people to to diagnose themselves and the test was so inclusive that everyone and his uncle decided he/she had candidiasis. Mainstream medicine recognizes yeast overgrowth and they do have drugs such as nystatin, etc. to treat it. Of course, they do not understand diet on the molecular basis so you usually don't get much help diet wise. I think it is impossible to get rid of yeast overgrowth without including diet. As for C. difficile, it is a bacterium which usually developes after the use of certain antibiotics like clindamysin and is different than candidiasis. But because there is such a hodgepodge of microbial (bacteria and yeast) growth in the gut, one could have one and the other as they ride "piggeyback" on each other and often work symbiotically (one helping the other).

[Guest guest]

Holly,

Thanks..

I have read this stuff.. I just wanted more info as Elaine emailed with people,

spoke to them etc. Wanted that info.

Jodi

[Guest guest]

Holly,

Thanks..

I have read this stuff.. I just wanted more info as Elaine emailed with people,

spoke to them etc. Wanted that info.

Jodi