probiotics

March 2, 2006

I am sure that there are some people who are following the SCD

guidelines for foods, but who are using multi-strain probiotics.

Elaine recommended just L. Acidophilus.

I am sure that there are those who are doing okay with multi-strains,

but there have been negative reports by some who have tried it.

Jody

mom to -7 and -9

SCD 1/03

March 2, 2006

I am sure that there are some people who are following the SCD

guidelines for foods, but who are using multi-strain probiotics.

Elaine recommended just L. Acidophilus.

I am sure that there are those who are doing okay with multi-strains,

but there have been negative reports by some who have tried it.

Jody

mom to -7 and -9

SCD 1/03

March 2, 2006

I am sure that there are some people who are following the SCD

guidelines for foods, but who are using multi-strain probiotics.

Elaine recommended just L. Acidophilus.

I am sure that there are those who are doing okay with multi-strains,

but there have been negative reports by some who have tried it.

Jody

mom to -7 and -9

SCD 1/03

October 18, 2007

letsdetox:

" I am afraid to take probiotics because off yeast die-off. Do you think

there is any risk in doing this? "

When I first started taking probiotics a couple years ago, I did notice die-off.

I became more fatigued and moody. I didn't follow the bottle's instructions to

ease into it though.

" How long do I need to take probiotics to get a healthy gut flora? "

I went to a New Chapter seminar last night, and most of it was about gut health.

The educator said for every 5 years of illness, count on 1 year to get gut

health back. I have no idea how accurate this is, but I am sure it doesn't

happen overnight, and more than taking probiotics is needed- they need to be fed

with good diet, etc. I recommend Donna Gates' Body Ecology Diet or Sally

Fallon's Nourishing Traditions for more on that.

My probiotic is one supplement that I won't live without. It is important to

pick one that is still in the media it was grown in and freeze dried, not

centrifuged. The growing media is important too- cheap ones can be grown on

sugar, corn syrup, etc. I have tried taking cheap centrifuged probitoics, and I

can't tell anything from them. You will know when you are taking a good

probiotic (and least I do)!

Some I like are Garden of Life's Primal Defense (although expensive), NOW's

Probiotic Defense (much more affordable and just as good IMO), and New Chapter's

All Flora (also pretty affordable). Bio-K and Natren's Healthy Trinity are also

supposed to be good ones, but I don't have any experience with them. Actually I

did try Bio-K's a couple times, and I really couldn't tell anything but others

swear by it. Someone told me that Bio-K and Natren's contain GMO bacteria. I

have no idea if that is true but would be something to look into, if you are

concerned about that.

-Olif

October 18, 2007

hi when i started taking strong probiotics on an empty stomach. i take

100 billion units a day, i started feeling better not worse. not sure

how long to take them but i am on antbiotics for a health problem long

term so will keep taking them as long as i am and for awhile afterwardds.

monique

October 18, 2007

hi when i started taking strong probiotics on an empty stomach. i take

100 billion units a day, i started feeling better not worse. not sure

how long to take them but i am on antbiotics for a health problem long

term so will keep taking them as long as i am and for awhile afterwardds.

monique

October 18, 2007

>

> I am afraid to take probiotics because off yeast die-off. Do you think

> there is any risk in doing this?

Healthy gut flora are an aspect of your digestion and your immune

function. You will be healthier and more comfortable if you can

get them and keep them balanced during detox. Look up what Andy

says under bifido bacteria in the " things to take " section. You

may want to check onibasu as well.

Starting with a low dose of probiotics and increasing gradually

should minimize die-off. If you are not already on an appropriate

diet to minimize dysbiosis issues, it's a good idea to establish

that first, if possible.

> How long do I need to take probiotics to get a healthy gut flora?

>

It would depend on your individual situation. In any case, you will

want to stay on a good dose of probiotics throughout the chelation

process.

--

October 19, 2007

For some reason I think the web master removed my previous post, so

I'll try again.

I just wanted to suggest the pharmax brand of probiotic. They are

very big and established in Europe. I'm looking at their brochure

now indicating clinical research on the effect of their probiotics in

reversing or stopping dysbiosis. So I think it is a good product

with some science behind it. Their most concentrated probiotic is a

satchet with over 125 billion cells. In their experience

lactobacillus acidophilus and two forms of bifdobacterium are the

most effective in this process.

http://www.pharmaxllc.com/index.asp

The supplements are only sold via health practitioners (so probably

not the least expensive), but I think worth considering.

>

> Hi

>

> ------------------------------------------------------------------

> So now I am hesistant to use probiotics. Also, I have been having

bouts of

> what seems like food poisoning every few months. It feels like a

stomach flu

> with cramps, fatigue, nausea and vomiting. It lasts about a day

or two and

> seems to get better after vomiting.

>

> I am wondering if this is my bodies attempt to get rid of the

toxins caused

> by the mercury or if I can not fight off bacteria bugs that most of

us harbor

> and usually deal with without getting so ill.

>

> Barbara

>

November 24, 2007

>

> I have just started taking CP-1 probiotics (50bn units) - one capsule

> twice a day. Since then I have bloating, gas and mild stomach cramps,

> and some vaginal yeast flares, which I never had before. I take it

> this is all normal, or I am somehow feeding the candida?

Have you used dosages this high before? Even if not, I would reduce

the dose (split the capsule and move slowly with it). Sometimes a

new probiotic can cause more or different die-off symptoms than

others you have used in the past.

> I have some biotin on the way. How does this actually control the

> candida?

Supposedly keeps it from converting to the fungal form which is

more invasive.

I have seen it mentioned as helpful in controlling blood sugar too.

--

> thanks

> Nicola

>

October 12, 2009

Do any of you expert SCD'ers have any successful experience doing the diet with

only probiotics and not the yogurt. I am starting to suspect that I may be

getting migraines from the goat milk yogurt. I tend to get migraines when I eat

any type of dairy, so the cow's milk yogurt is right out for me. I also think I

am having problems tolerating nuts, therefore I doubt nut yogurt is the answer.

I was thinking of experimenting by refraining from the yogurt for a while and

only taking probiotics, but am quite honestly afraid to do so. Other than these

blasted headaches and the persistent nausea, so many of my symptoms are

improved.

Also, if anyone has had success with only probiotics, I would love to know what

you are taking.

Thanks, gang!

Kathy

CD 10/08

SCD 8 months

October 12, 2009

At 09:44 PM 10/12/2009, you wrote:

Also, if anyone has had success

with only probiotics, I would love to know what you are

taking.

Well, after we evacuated for Hurricane Katrina in 2005, and for some

months after we returned, I didn't have stable enough electricity to make

yogurt with. So I used the Lyo-San acidophilus. You might want to look at

the Pro-gurt acidophilus, as it is dairy-free and the Lyo-San is not. I

also used the s. boulardii.

—

Marilyn

New

Orleans, Louisiana, USA

Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

Darn Good SCD Cook

No Human Children

Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

October 12, 2009

At 09:44 PM 10/12/2009, you wrote:

Also, if anyone has had success

with only probiotics, I would love to know what you are

taking.

Well, after we evacuated for Hurricane Katrina in 2005, and for some

months after we returned, I didn't have stable enough electricity to make

yogurt with. So I used the Lyo-San acidophilus. You might want to look at

the Pro-gurt acidophilus, as it is dairy-free and the Lyo-San is not. I

also used the s. boulardii.

—

Marilyn

New

Orleans, Louisiana, USA

Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

Darn Good SCD Cook

No Human Children

Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

October 12, 2009

At 09:44 PM 10/12/2009, you wrote:

Also, if anyone has had success

with only probiotics, I would love to know what you are

taking.

Well, after we evacuated for Hurricane Katrina in 2005, and for some

months after we returned, I didn't have stable enough electricity to make

yogurt with. So I used the Lyo-San acidophilus. You might want to look at

the Pro-gurt acidophilus, as it is dairy-free and the Lyo-San is not. I

also used the s. boulardii.

—

Marilyn

New

Orleans, Louisiana, USA

Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

Darn Good SCD Cook

No Human Children

Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

October 13, 2009

Kathy

I developed a sensitivity to yogurt (and cheese) in my 2nd year on SCD, after having worked for over a year to get my body to accept even a 1/4 c. of dripped yogurt per day (immune responses more often than upper GI symptoms). I had already begun to tolerate a legal L. Acidophilus supplement by then (took me 4 months on SCD initially to tolerate even one capsule), so I just stopped dairy and switched over to L. Acidophilus supplements exclusively for my regular probiotics.

It has worked well for me, and that was 3 years ago. My immune system doesn't tolerate too large a dose of L. Acidophilus, so my maintenance dose is one capsule every 3 days. I increase the dosage if I'm on antibiotics, of course, but I haven't needed any in 2 years (my dental issues cleared up, finally...)

I know all about migraines [sigh] having had them since I was a child. I work hard to keep them at bay, so I can well understand your not wanting to do something to trigger more. I'd give a legal L. Acidophilus or S. Boulardii supplement a try. There are four sources of legal probiotics that I know of, so you have a choice. I have been getting my L. Acidophilus from Kirkman Labs for the past few years, but you can also find a legal probiotic from GIProHealth, Lucy's Kitchen, and Custom Probiotics.

Kim M.

SCD 5+ years

>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Do any of you expert SCD'ers have any successful experience doing the diet with only probiotics and not the yogurt. I am starting to suspect that I may be getting migraines from the goat milk yogurt. I tend to get migraines when I eat any type of dairy, so the cow's milk yogurt is right out for me. I also think I am having problems tolerating nuts, therefore I doubt nut yogurt is the answer.

October 13, 2009

Kathy

I developed a sensitivity to yogurt (and cheese) in my 2nd year on SCD, after having worked for over a year to get my body to accept even a 1/4 c. of dripped yogurt per day (immune responses more often than upper GI symptoms). I had already begun to tolerate a legal L. Acidophilus supplement by then (took me 4 months on SCD initially to tolerate even one capsule), so I just stopped dairy and switched over to L. Acidophilus supplements exclusively for my regular probiotics.

It has worked well for me, and that was 3 years ago. My immune system doesn't tolerate too large a dose of L. Acidophilus, so my maintenance dose is one capsule every 3 days. I increase the dosage if I'm on antibiotics, of course, but I haven't needed any in 2 years (my dental issues cleared up, finally...)

I know all about migraines [sigh] having had them since I was a child. I work hard to keep them at bay, so I can well understand your not wanting to do something to trigger more. I'd give a legal L. Acidophilus or S. Boulardii supplement a try. There are four sources of legal probiotics that I know of, so you have a choice. I have been getting my L. Acidophilus from Kirkman Labs for the past few years, but you can also find a legal probiotic from GIProHealth, Lucy's Kitchen, and Custom Probiotics.

Kim M.

SCD 5+ years

>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Do any of you expert SCD'ers have any successful experience doing the diet with only probiotics and not the yogurt. I am starting to suspect that I may be getting migraines from the goat milk yogurt. I tend to get migraines when I eat any type of dairy, so the cow's milk yogurt is right out for me. I also think I am having problems tolerating nuts, therefore I doubt nut yogurt is the answer.

October 13, 2009

Kathy

I developed a sensitivity to yogurt (and cheese) in my 2nd year on SCD, after having worked for over a year to get my body to accept even a 1/4 c. of dripped yogurt per day (immune responses more often than upper GI symptoms). I had already begun to tolerate a legal L. Acidophilus supplement by then (took me 4 months on SCD initially to tolerate even one capsule), so I just stopped dairy and switched over to L. Acidophilus supplements exclusively for my regular probiotics.

It has worked well for me, and that was 3 years ago. My immune system doesn't tolerate too large a dose of L. Acidophilus, so my maintenance dose is one capsule every 3 days. I increase the dosage if I'm on antibiotics, of course, but I haven't needed any in 2 years (my dental issues cleared up, finally...)

I know all about migraines [sigh] having had them since I was a child. I work hard to keep them at bay, so I can well understand your not wanting to do something to trigger more. I'd give a legal L. Acidophilus or S. Boulardii supplement a try. There are four sources of legal probiotics that I know of, so you have a choice. I have been getting my L. Acidophilus from Kirkman Labs for the past few years, but you can also find a legal probiotic from GIProHealth, Lucy's Kitchen, and Custom Probiotics.

Kim M.

SCD 5+ years

>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Do any of you expert SCD'ers have any successful experience doing the diet with only probiotics and not the yogurt. I am starting to suspect that I may be getting migraines from the goat milk yogurt. I tend to get migraines when I eat any type of dairy, so the cow's milk yogurt is right out for me. I also think I am having problems tolerating nuts, therefore I doubt nut yogurt is the answer.

October 13, 2009

I did eat yogurt religiously the first 6-8 months on the diet; however, I was

still having bloating and gas so I stopped it. I've only made yogurt a few times

since and I take the acidophilus supplement from Lucyskitchen.com and the S

Boulardii from Digestivewellness.com I think. I know the yogurt is best, but I

just don't tolerate it well. I've tried cow's and goat's milk yogurt. The other

reason I stopped is because I only have a Eurocuisine that makes 7, 7 oz. jars

at a time and I was spending so much time and energy making the yogurt. When I

realized I felt a little better without it, I stopped. The last time I ate

yogurt, about 2 months ago, I didn't react like before so when I get my

dehydrator, I'm definately going to try it.

Misty Kimble

CD - no meds

SCD - 21 months

>

> Do any of you expert SCD'ers have any successful experience doing the diet

with only probiotics and not the yogurt. I am starting to suspect that I may be

getting migraines from the goat milk yogurt. I tend to get migraines when I eat

any type of dairy, so the cow's milk yogurt is right out for me. I also think I

am having problems tolerating nuts, therefore I doubt nut yogurt is the answer.

>

> I was thinking of experimenting by refraining from the yogurt for a while and

only taking probiotics, but am quite honestly afraid to do so. Other than these

blasted headaches and the persistent nausea, so many of my symptoms are

improved.

>

> Also, if anyone has had success with only probiotics, I would love to know

what you are taking.

>

> Thanks, gang!

>

> Kathy

> CD 10/08

> SCD 8 months

>

October 13, 2009