Re: OT..? More on Honey/ HFCS

[Guest guest]

Not sure I completely trust my honey ( Teeter pure grade A -- not

organic), but at least it passes the 140 degree test -- no burning even at 180

degrees! I've been using it for over 2 years without problems, but then again,

I am leary of the HFCS contamination possibilities.

Jill

>

> I remember something like this was posed a while ago, but I think this

> gives more info. Plus, it tells you that if you buy organic raw honey,

> you're good. =)

>

>

http://www.thefitshack.com/2007/08/31/high-fructose-corn-syrup-and-honey-a-sneak\

y-relationship/

>

> " I have learned from Dr. Mercola's book is that there are bee farms

> that produce 2/3 of the annual honey production in North America

> byforce feeding their bees high fructose corn syrup or other sugars,

> and keeping them under 24-hour hive lighting so that they will produce

> honey year round (the remaining 1/3 of honey produced in N.A. is pure

> honey). These tactics result in the bees producing a product that is

> only partially real honey; the other portion of the " honey " is high

> fructose corn syrup! "

>

> " So how do you know if you're buying honey that contains HFCS if it's

> not even listed on the label? Well, unless it states that it is raw,

> natural, 100% certified organic honey, then you've got HFCS in that

> bottle sitting in your cupboard. This quality of honey is also

> referred to as " baker's honey " , so you guessed it: any food product

> you buy that contains honey as an ingredient also contains high

> fructose corn syrup(again, unless it states it is raw, natural, pure

> organic honey).

>

> You can also tell if you have pure, raw honey by whether it burns at

> 140 degrees. If it burns, it's not real honey. Of course, the force-

> produced honey is cheaper than raw honey, but if you are like many

> people who want to avoid high fructose corn syrup, you won't want that

> bottle of " honey " . "

>

>

> Pour Dieu, pour terre,

> Alyssa 15

> UC April 2008, diagnosed Sept 2008

> SCD June 2009 (restarted)

> No meds =)

>

[Guest guest]

Not sure I completely trust my honey ( Teeter pure grade A -- not

organic), but at least it passes the 140 degree test -- no burning even at 180

degrees! I've been using it for over 2 years without problems, but then again,

I am leary of the HFCS contamination possibilities.

Jill

>

> I remember something like this was posed a while ago, but I think this

> gives more info. Plus, it tells you that if you buy organic raw honey,

> you're good. =)

>

>

http://www.thefitshack.com/2007/08/31/high-fructose-corn-syrup-and-honey-a-sneak\

y-relationship/

>

> " I have learned from Dr. Mercola's book is that there are bee farms

> that produce 2/3 of the annual honey production in North America

> byforce feeding their bees high fructose corn syrup or other sugars,

> and keeping them under 24-hour hive lighting so that they will produce

> honey year round (the remaining 1/3 of honey produced in N.A. is pure

> honey). These tactics result in the bees producing a product that is

> only partially real honey; the other portion of the " honey " is high

> fructose corn syrup! "

>

> " So how do you know if you're buying honey that contains HFCS if it's

> not even listed on the label? Well, unless it states that it is raw,

> natural, 100% certified organic honey, then you've got HFCS in that

> bottle sitting in your cupboard. This quality of honey is also

> referred to as " baker's honey " , so you guessed it: any food product

> you buy that contains honey as an ingredient also contains high

> fructose corn syrup(again, unless it states it is raw, natural, pure

> organic honey).

>

> You can also tell if you have pure, raw honey by whether it burns at

> 140 degrees. If it burns, it's not real honey. Of course, the force-

> produced honey is cheaper than raw honey, but if you are like many

> people who want to avoid high fructose corn syrup, you won't want that

> bottle of " honey " . "

>

>

> Pour Dieu, pour terre,

> Alyssa 15

> UC April 2008, diagnosed Sept 2008

> SCD June 2009 (restarted)

> No meds =)

>

[Guest guest]

Not sure I completely trust my honey ( Teeter pure grade A -- not

organic), but at least it passes the 140 degree test -- no burning even at 180

degrees! I've been using it for over 2 years without problems, but then again,

I am leary of the HFCS contamination possibilities.

Jill

>

> I remember something like this was posed a while ago, but I think this

> gives more info. Plus, it tells you that if you buy organic raw honey,

> you're good. =)

>

>

http://www.thefitshack.com/2007/08/31/high-fructose-corn-syrup-and-honey-a-sneak\

y-relationship/

>

> " I have learned from Dr. Mercola's book is that there are bee farms

> that produce 2/3 of the annual honey production in North America

> byforce feeding their bees high fructose corn syrup or other sugars,

> and keeping them under 24-hour hive lighting so that they will produce

> honey year round (the remaining 1/3 of honey produced in N.A. is pure

> honey). These tactics result in the bees producing a product that is

> only partially real honey; the other portion of the " honey " is high

> fructose corn syrup! "

>

> " So how do you know if you're buying honey that contains HFCS if it's

> not even listed on the label? Well, unless it states that it is raw,

> natural, 100% certified organic honey, then you've got HFCS in that

> bottle sitting in your cupboard. This quality of honey is also

> referred to as " baker's honey " , so you guessed it: any food product

> you buy that contains honey as an ingredient also contains high

> fructose corn syrup(again, unless it states it is raw, natural, pure

> organic honey).

>

> You can also tell if you have pure, raw honey by whether it burns at

> 140 degrees. If it burns, it's not real honey. Of course, the force-

> produced honey is cheaper than raw honey, but if you are like many

> people who want to avoid high fructose corn syrup, you won't want that

> bottle of " honey " . "

>

>

> Pour Dieu, pour terre,

> Alyssa 15

> UC April 2008, diagnosed Sept 2008

> SCD June 2009 (restarted)

> No meds =)

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Jill,

I'm with you right there. I have spoken to many bee keepers in Farmer's Markets

the past 2 years and HFCS contamination is rampant. Even organic farmers (which

is hard to really understand what that exactly means in the world of honey.. is

it just no fungicide? What about the flowers they feed are they sprayed? the

list goes on and on) are allowed to feed their bees sugar water if rations that

season for pollination run low. So yea.. It's not always just HFCS but they are

still resorting to questionable means. I like the biodynamic modality with how

Steiner (he wrote a whole book on bees btw) advocated useing different

concoctions (no sugar) for the bees.

I think it is best to find a local source by a farmer that is honest, up front

and open about the process.

It's hard finding idealism in this world, we must all compromise somehow.

Jodi

[Guest guest]

Hi Jill,

I'm with you right there. I have spoken to many bee keepers in Farmer's Markets

the past 2 years and HFCS contamination is rampant. Even organic farmers (which

is hard to really understand what that exactly means in the world of honey.. is

it just no fungicide? What about the flowers they feed are they sprayed? the

list goes on and on) are allowed to feed their bees sugar water if rations that

season for pollination run low. So yea.. It's not always just HFCS but they are

still resorting to questionable means. I like the biodynamic modality with how

Steiner (he wrote a whole book on bees btw) advocated useing different

concoctions (no sugar) for the bees.

I think it is best to find a local source by a farmer that is honest, up front

and open about the process.

It's hard finding idealism in this world, we must all compromise somehow.

Jodi

[Guest guest]

Hi Jill,

I'm with you right there. I have spoken to many bee keepers in Farmer's Markets

the past 2 years and HFCS contamination is rampant. Even organic farmers (which

is hard to really understand what that exactly means in the world of honey.. is

it just no fungicide? What about the flowers they feed are they sprayed? the

list goes on and on) are allowed to feed their bees sugar water if rations that

season for pollination run low. So yea.. It's not always just HFCS but they are

still resorting to questionable means. I like the biodynamic modality with how

Steiner (he wrote a whole book on bees btw) advocated useing different

concoctions (no sugar) for the bees.

I think it is best to find a local source by a farmer that is honest, up front

and open about the process.

It's hard finding idealism in this world, we must all compromise somehow.

Jodi

[Guest guest]

> Hi Jill,

>

> I'm with you right there. I have spoken to many bee keepers in

> Farmer's Markets the past 2 years and HFCS contamination is

> rampant. Even organic farmers (which is hard to really understand

> what that exactly means in the world of honey.. is it just no

> fungicide? What about the flowers they feed are they sprayed? the

> list goes on and on) are allowed to feed their bees sugar water if

> rations that season for pollination run low. So yea.. It's not

> always just HFCS but they are still resorting to questionable

> means. I like the biodynamic modality with how Steiner (he wrote a

> whole book on bees btw) advocated useing different concoctions (no

> sugar) for the bees.

>

> I think it is best to find a local source by a farmer that is

> honest, up front and open about the process.

One thing that was said last time was that honey

made with HFCS would not solidify when cold.

I sometimes buy the bulk Costco honey and that

one definitely solidifies, which is very annoying

when you are near the bottom of the tub.

But I sometimes also buy the bulk honey

at the NYC farmer's market on Fridays, which

is pretty reasonable (different vendors on

different days) - and

I can't answer Jodi's questions about

spraying, etc., but I was recently told that there

would be a huge shortage of spring flower

honey and raspberry flower honey for this

season because of the horrid spring weather.

But there are also a lot more organic fertiizers

and such on the market lately than there used

to be. And more insecticides that are used with

organic gardening. Stuff available for home

gardening as well at gardening centers/hardware

stores.

Mara

[Guest guest]

Hi Mara,

> One thing that was said last time was that honey

> made with HFCS would not solidify when cold.

I think you are referring to honey cut with HFCS not HFCS used to " force feed "

bees, right?

Honey can also be cut with molasses as they do this in Israel near Rosh HaShana

(Jewish New Year)

> I sometimes buy the bulk Costco honey and that

> one definitely solidifies, which is very annoying

> when you are near the bottom of the tub.

Solidifies or crystalizes?

> But there are also a lot more organic fertiizers

> and such on the market lately than there used

> to be. And more insecticides that are used with

> organic gardening. Stuff available for home

> gardening as well at gardening centers/hardware

> stores.

Thankfully " green " techniques are coming out more and more on the market.

Makes me happy.. but not everything labeled green or marketed as such is the

real deal. This is another world where one must read labels and ask questions.

Obviously, none of this is required for the SCD.

Some are more concerned with the idea of truly organic while other do just fine

eating conventional foods.

Jodi

[Guest guest]

The way I see it, i'm not about to get stressed out worrying if the honey I use was made force feeding bees something i've been trying to avoid. At this point if i've been eating honey with HFCS in it and it's been working for me, why go crazy worrying about it? If I start to get worse, then maybe i'll look into that, but the cost of honey from local farmers is outragous, so for now i'm going to buy in bulk from BJ's. Maybe i'll call them to see where they get their honey from.-UC - 1 yearSCD - 3.5 months 100% strict and 4 months restricted diet.Asacol - 4 pills 3 times a day - hopefully scd will help me get off these!

No more Hydrocortisone or Prednisone!To: BTVC-SCD From: jodah235@...Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2009 14:11:49 +0000Subject: Re: OT..? More on Honey/ HFCS

Hi Mara,

> One thing that was said last time was that honey

> made with HFCS would not solidify when cold.

I think you are referring to honey cut with HFCS not HFCS used to "force feed" bees, right?

Honey can also be cut with molasses as they do this in Israel near Rosh HaShana (Jewish New Year)

> I sometimes buy the bulk Costco honey and that

> one definitely solidifies, which is very annoying

> when you are near the bottom of the tub.

Solidifies or crystalizes?

> But there are also a lot more organic fertiizers

> and such on the market lately than there used

> to be. And more insecticides that are used with

> organic gardening. Stuff available for home

> gardening as well at gardening centers/hardware

> stores.

Thankfully "green" techniques are coming out more and more on the market.

Makes me happy.. but not everything labeled green or marketed as such is the real deal. This is another world where one must read labels and ask questions.

Obviously, none of this is required for the SCD.

Some are more concerned with the idea of truly organic while other do just fine eating conventional foods.

Jodi

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[Guest guest]

I believe it about the HFCS and honey. In 1975 I saw an

alternative-minded doctor, found out I have hypoglycemia and learned

about supplements and cleaning up my diet a lot. He said

specifically then that I could have a little bit of real honey, but

that most honey is " forced " by feeding the bees sugar water. I

expect now it's much more the high fructose corn syrup since that

seems to be so all-pervasive. My strong suspicion is, we should be

really careful on this one.

[Guest guest]

I pay either $38 or $45 (depends on which bee keeper I use) for a gallon of raw

local honey. I think it tastes so much better then the pasteurized stuff in the

store! I just visited one the other day, and bought 6 different varieties

(little jars for most, just so I could see what they tasted like). They had

orange blossom, mesquite, catclaw, desert blue clover, pine wild flower, and

wild mountain pecan. I'm terribly allergic to mesquite and orange blossom

pollen, and eating these honeys last spring kept me from itching and sneezing

the whole time :-).

Holly

Crohn's

SCD 12/01/08

>

>

> The way I see it, i'm not about to get stressed out worrying if the honey I

use was made force feeding bees something i've been trying to avoid. At this

point if i've been eating honey with HFCS in it and it's been working for me,

why go crazy worrying about it? If I start to get worse, then maybe i'll look

into that, but the cost of honey from local farmers is outragous, so for now i'm

going to buy in bulk from BJ's. Maybe i'll call them to see where they get

their honey from.

>

> -

> UC - 1 year

> SCD - 3.5 months 100% strict and 4 months restricted diet.

> Asacol - 4 pills 3 times a day - hopefully scd will help me get off these!

> No more Hydrocortisone or Prednisone!

>

[Guest guest]

I pay either $38 or $45 (depends on which bee keeper I use) for a gallon of raw

local honey. I think it tastes so much better then the pasteurized stuff in the

store! I just visited one the other day, and bought 6 different varieties

(little jars for most, just so I could see what they tasted like). They had

orange blossom, mesquite, catclaw, desert blue clover, pine wild flower, and

wild mountain pecan. I'm terribly allergic to mesquite and orange blossom

pollen, and eating these honeys last spring kept me from itching and sneezing

the whole time :-).

Holly

Crohn's

SCD 12/01/08

>

>

> The way I see it, i'm not about to get stressed out worrying if the honey I

use was made force feeding bees something i've been trying to avoid. At this

point if i've been eating honey with HFCS in it and it's been working for me,

why go crazy worrying about it? If I start to get worse, then maybe i'll look

into that, but the cost of honey from local farmers is outragous, so for now i'm

going to buy in bulk from BJ's. Maybe i'll call them to see where they get

their honey from.

>

> -

> UC - 1 year

> SCD - 3.5 months 100% strict and 4 months restricted diet.

> Asacol - 4 pills 3 times a day - hopefully scd will help me get off these!

> No more Hydrocortisone or Prednisone!

>

[Guest guest]

I wish I could find a local bee keeper. Only thing available to me as far as I know is store bought in bulk. Even if it is packed with HFCS, it's still a monosacharide(sp?) so it's scd legal as far as I know. Just glucose and fructose.-UC - 1 yearSCD - 3.5 months 100% strict and 4 months restricted diet.Asacol - 4 pills 3 times a day - hopefully scd will help me get off these! No more Hydrocortisone or Prednisone!

To: BTVC-SCD From: spookyhurst@...Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 06:46:46 +0000Subject: Re: OT..? More on Honey/ HFCS

I pay either $38 or $45 (depends on which bee keeper I use) for a gallon of raw local honey. I think it tastes so much better then the pasteurized stuff in the store! I just visited one the other day, and bought 6 different varieties (little jars for most, just so I could see what they tasted like). They had orange blossom, mesquite, catclaw, desert blue clover, pine wild flower, and wild mountain pecan. I'm terribly allergic to mesquite and orange blossom pollen, and eating these honeys last spring kept me from itching and sneezing the whole time :-).HollyCrohn'sSCD 12/01/08 >> > The way I see it, i'm not about to get stressed out worrying if the honey I use was made force feeding bees something i've been trying to avoid. At this point if i've been eating honey with HFCS in it and it's been working for me, why go crazy worrying about it? If I start to get worse, then maybe i'll look into that, but the cost of honey from local farmers is outragous, so for now i'm going to buy in bulk from BJ's. Maybe i'll call them to see where they get their honey from.> > -> UC - 1 year> SCD - 3.5 months 100% strict and 4 months restricted diet.> Asacol - 4 pills 3 times a day - hopefully scd will help me get off these!> No more Hydrocortisone or Prednisone!>

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