DR REN

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Debi:

I'm sure you will get answers from some patients of Dr. Ren. I have definitely heard her spoken of here. There was one very negative comment about her at one point and then following a flood of VERY satisfied patients. I would have no problems going to her whatever but hopefully you'll get some personal testimonies from her patients.

Regards.

Joe Frost, old gentleman, not old fartSan , TX, 60 years oldDr. Welker Lateral Gastrectomy with Duodenal Switch340 starting weight, currently 257http://www.duodenalswitch.com/Patients/Joe/joe.html

Dr Ren

> Has anyone used Dr Ren at NYU ? I called her office and found I could get a consult within days, which I thought was a little strange. I just checked her page at the Assoc. for Morbid Obesity, and found only a few posts...one of which was horrible ! Any info would be greatly appreciated since my appt is for next Wed.> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------->

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Debi:

I'm sure you will get answers from some patients of Dr. Ren. I have definitely heard her spoken of here. There was one very negative comment about her at one point and then following a flood of VERY satisfied patients. I would have no problems going to her whatever but hopefully you'll get some personal testimonies from her patients.

Regards.

Joe Frost, old gentleman, not old fartSan , TX, 60 years oldDr. Welker Lateral Gastrectomy with Duodenal Switch340 starting weight, currently 257http://www.duodenalswitch.com/Patients/Joe/joe.html

Dr Ren

> Has anyone used Dr Ren at NYU ? I called her office and found I could get a consult within days, which I thought was a little strange. I just checked her page at the Assoc. for Morbid Obesity, and found only a few posts...one of which was horrible ! Any info would be greatly appreciated since my appt is for next Wed.> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------->

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Debi:

I'm sure you will get answers from some patients of Dr. Ren. I have definitely heard her spoken of here. There was one very negative comment about her at one point and then following a flood of VERY satisfied patients. I would have no problems going to her whatever but hopefully you'll get some personal testimonies from her patients.

Regards.

Joe Frost, old gentleman, not old fartSan , TX, 60 years oldDr. Welker Lateral Gastrectomy with Duodenal Switch340 starting weight, currently 257http://www.duodenalswitch.com/Patients/Joe/joe.html

Dr Ren

> Has anyone used Dr Ren at NYU ? I called her office and found I could get a consult within days, which I thought was a little strange. I just checked her page at the Assoc. for Morbid Obesity, and found only a few posts...one of which was horrible ! Any info would be greatly appreciated since my appt is for next Wed.> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------->

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I am responding in regard to this thread.

I had surgery at NYU with Ren on 1/24/01. I was suppose to have the

DS/BPD. What she ended up doing was excising my pyloric region,

including my pylorus, and my duodenal remnant. This surgery that I

have is not an accepted WLS, but simply the results of her efforts to

save her botch job. At no time during pre op correspondence or

discussion was the possibility that the DS could not be performed nor

any alternative surgical procedures discussed. I asked on several

occasions in e-mail and in verbal discussion if the previous open

gallbladder surgery I had had some 14 years prior would pose a

problem, I was repeatedly assured that it simply meant the surgery

would take a little longer. I had assigned a health care proxy to

make decisions fro me in the event that I was unable to do so, my

health care proxy was never utilized.

Ren has chosen to talk about my case with perspective patients. This

a direct violation of doctor/patient confidentiality. Her disregard

for many tenets that are the basis a health care practice has been

numerous. She has told perspective patients that she " saved my life "

what she fails to mention is that as a direct result of her actions,

arterial blood supply was severed, and that she failed to identify

needed arteries prior to proceeding with the division of my duodenum.

The DS/BPD can and is done in two parts. There are tests that could

have ascertained the blood vessels, tests such as an

angiogram/arteriogram, or a DCEMRI, dynamic contrast enhanced MRI.

When I asked her why she didn't reconnect my duodenum after losing

the blood supply, I was told two things, that she could not find a

vein or artery, and then " I thought you wanted a WLS. "

When I asked what was the blood supply prior to dividing the

duodenum, she responded that she did not know, that is came from

lower on the duodenum, when I asked where lower, she responded that

she did not know, she never looked for it.

She has described DS/BPD patients as control oriented and obsessed

with the details of their anatomy. I guess I am control oriented, I

think maybe nature or God is too, since they made things like the

pyloric valve. Given her attitude concerning DS/BPD patients anatomy,

she must have enjoyed destroying my control, I hope it made her feel

real powerful.

I walk around feeling like I was date raped, except instead of using

the date rape drug, " Rolfies, " general anesthesia was used instead.

The sense of violation and mutilation is great. I feel like my life

got destroyed on 1/24/01.

Dr. Ren has repeatedly, whether in legal documentation, in e-mail

correspondence, or in discussion denied that any complications

occurred. She does not view the loss of my pyloric region or duodenal

remnant as a complication. She has further suggested that this

happens sometimes when the DS is performed, like it is a dark secret

of DS surgeons, and she was just more honest to tell me that this

occurred.

NYU hospital has acknowledged what they deem to be " an unforeseen

complication, not readily detailed in the medical literature by those

performing the DS/BPS procedures. "

I have written or spoken with some 13 DS surgeons around the country

and world. Included in feedback was Dr. Hess who has performed

perhaps more DS surgeries that any doctor in the world, as he

pioneered the procedure, Ren also called him, he has never had this

problem. I spoke with Dr. Gagner, as did she, he has never had this

problem. This problem was the direct result of what is called in

medicine a iatrogenic injury, that means, " doctor caused. "

I live on a daily basis with dumping syndrome. This is not the result

of eating concentrated sugars or even sugars at all, but simply has

to do with the passage of food from the tube like stomach pouch I was

left with, into my intestines. That means chills, postural

hypotension, the need to recline or lie down after eating, extreme

tiredness, with me falling asleep if it is a bad episode, epigastric

pain that radiates to my back. So much for quality of life or the

ability to function well, or at all, in the various roles I am

required to fill.

I can look forward to an increased risk of stomach cancer as many

studies suggest that

'the remnant stomach provides the environment that enhances the

development of gastric cancer. Mixed acid is more harmful than acid

reflux alone with possible toxic synergism existing between the

taurine conjugates and acid, this is called double reflux. "

" There is a relationship of stomach motor activity and food digestion

and absorption, esp in later years. As I age there will be a negative

correlation of orocecal transit time as the distal stomach and

pylorus most likely exert an important inhibitory mechanism in

regulation of this movement. "

The surgery I did end up with is not an accepted WLS, though she has

tried to sell it to me as Scopinero's BPD, which has quite a few

differences.

NYU and Ren has tried to suggest that the means justify the end. I am

here to say that that is simply not true. We might as well say that

the Nazi's actions were justified as they no doubt led to the

formation of the state of Israel.

A section of the informed consent form that I signed states, " The

nature and purpose and/or procedures, the necessity therefore, the

possible alternative methods of treatment, the risks involved and the

possibility of complication in the treatment have been fully

explained to me and I understand the same. "

I was not informed of any possible alternatives or of this

complication prior to going into surgery.

Since either the dark secret of DS surgery needs to be brought out

into the light so other potential DS/BPD patients can be made aware

of this potential complication and be given the benefit of making an

informed consent or Ren needs to own her mistakes.

I have worked in health care since 1987, I have owned my mistakes and

accepted the consequences of delivering less than the

accepted " standard of care " during that 14 year course. I do not

seek to justify or rationalize nor minimize my actions and there

potential ramifications to those charged to my care. It means I am

responsible to my patients and for my actions, and it means I will

not accept less than that standard of character and practice from

other health care providers. My stance on this issue is not so rare

or lofty, as I have had the example of other individuals and

institutions that have preceded and hold to such standards of

responsibility.

I live with the consequences of a series of choices I have made on a

daily basis and the events that surrounded those choices.

Deb

Ren, NYU, is now being investigated by ST. of NY office of Medical

Misconduct, State of NY Board of Health, Bureau of hospital affairs,

JCAHO, Nurses are being investigated via New York State Education

Dept., Office of Professions.

[Guest guest]

I am responding in regard to this thread.

I had surgery at NYU with Ren on 1/24/01. I was suppose to have the

DS/BPD. What she ended up doing was excising my pyloric region,

including my pylorus, and my duodenal remnant. This surgery that I

have is not an accepted WLS, but simply the results of her efforts to

save her botch job. At no time during pre op correspondence or

discussion was the possibility that the DS could not be performed nor

any alternative surgical procedures discussed. I asked on several

occasions in e-mail and in verbal discussion if the previous open

gallbladder surgery I had had some 14 years prior would pose a

problem, I was repeatedly assured that it simply meant the surgery

would take a little longer. I had assigned a health care proxy to

make decisions fro me in the event that I was unable to do so, my

health care proxy was never utilized.

Ren has chosen to talk about my case with perspective patients. This

a direct violation of doctor/patient confidentiality. Her disregard

for many tenets that are the basis a health care practice has been

numerous. She has told perspective patients that she " saved my life "

what she fails to mention is that as a direct result of her actions,

arterial blood supply was severed, and that she failed to identify

needed arteries prior to proceeding with the division of my duodenum.

The DS/BPD can and is done in two parts. There are tests that could

have ascertained the blood vessels, tests such as an

angiogram/arteriogram, or a DCEMRI, dynamic contrast enhanced MRI.

When I asked her why she didn't reconnect my duodenum after losing

the blood supply, I was told two things, that she could not find a

vein or artery, and then " I thought you wanted a WLS. "

When I asked what was the blood supply prior to dividing the

duodenum, she responded that she did not know, that is came from

lower on the duodenum, when I asked where lower, she responded that

she did not know, she never looked for it.

She has described DS/BPD patients as control oriented and obsessed

with the details of their anatomy. I guess I am control oriented, I

think maybe nature or God is too, since they made things like the

pyloric valve. Given her attitude concerning DS/BPD patients anatomy,

she must have enjoyed destroying my control, I hope it made her feel

real powerful.

I walk around feeling like I was date raped, except instead of using

the date rape drug, " Rolfies, " general anesthesia was used instead.

The sense of violation and mutilation is great. I feel like my life

got destroyed on 1/24/01.

Dr. Ren has repeatedly, whether in legal documentation, in e-mail

correspondence, or in discussion denied that any complications

occurred. She does not view the loss of my pyloric region or duodenal

remnant as a complication. She has further suggested that this

happens sometimes when the DS is performed, like it is a dark secret

of DS surgeons, and she was just more honest to tell me that this

occurred.

NYU hospital has acknowledged what they deem to be " an unforeseen

complication, not readily detailed in the medical literature by those

performing the DS/BPS procedures. "

I have written or spoken with some 13 DS surgeons around the country

and world. Included in feedback was Dr. Hess who has performed

perhaps more DS surgeries that any doctor in the world, as he

pioneered the procedure, Ren also called him, he has never had this

problem. I spoke with Dr. Gagner, as did she, he has never had this

problem. This problem was the direct result of what is called in

medicine a iatrogenic injury, that means, " doctor caused. "

I live on a daily basis with dumping syndrome. This is not the result

of eating concentrated sugars or even sugars at all, but simply has

to do with the passage of food from the tube like stomach pouch I was

left with, into my intestines. That means chills, postural

hypotension, the need to recline or lie down after eating, extreme

tiredness, with me falling asleep if it is a bad episode, epigastric

pain that radiates to my back. So much for quality of life or the

ability to function well, or at all, in the various roles I am

required to fill.

I can look forward to an increased risk of stomach cancer as many

studies suggest that

'the remnant stomach provides the environment that enhances the

development of gastric cancer. Mixed acid is more harmful than acid

reflux alone with possible toxic synergism existing between the

taurine conjugates and acid, this is called double reflux. "

" There is a relationship of stomach motor activity and food digestion

and absorption, esp in later years. As I age there will be a negative

correlation of orocecal transit time as the distal stomach and

pylorus most likely exert an important inhibitory mechanism in

regulation of this movement. "

The surgery I did end up with is not an accepted WLS, though she has

tried to sell it to me as Scopinero's BPD, which has quite a few

differences.

NYU and Ren has tried to suggest that the means justify the end. I am

here to say that that is simply not true. We might as well say that

the Nazi's actions were justified as they no doubt led to the

formation of the state of Israel.

A section of the informed consent form that I signed states, " The

nature and purpose and/or procedures, the necessity therefore, the

possible alternative methods of treatment, the risks involved and the

possibility of complication in the treatment have been fully

explained to me and I understand the same. "

I was not informed of any possible alternatives or of this

complication prior to going into surgery.

Since either the dark secret of DS surgery needs to be brought out

into the light so other potential DS/BPD patients can be made aware

of this potential complication and be given the benefit of making an

informed consent or Ren needs to own her mistakes.

I have worked in health care since 1987, I have owned my mistakes and

accepted the consequences of delivering less than the

accepted " standard of care " during that 14 year course. I do not

seek to justify or rationalize nor minimize my actions and there

potential ramifications to those charged to my care. It means I am

responsible to my patients and for my actions, and it means I will

not accept less than that standard of character and practice from

other health care providers. My stance on this issue is not so rare

or lofty, as I have had the example of other individuals and

institutions that have preceded and hold to such standards of

responsibility.

I live with the consequences of a series of choices I have made on a

daily basis and the events that surrounded those choices.

Deb

Ren, NYU, is now being investigated by ST. of NY office of Medical

Misconduct, State of NY Board of Health, Bureau of hospital affairs,

JCAHO, Nurses are being investigated via New York State Education

Dept., Office of Professions.

[Guest guest]

I am responding in regard to this thread.

I had surgery at NYU with Ren on 1/24/01. I was suppose to have the

DS/BPD. What she ended up doing was excising my pyloric region,

including my pylorus, and my duodenal remnant. This surgery that I

have is not an accepted WLS, but simply the results of her efforts to

save her botch job. At no time during pre op correspondence or

discussion was the possibility that the DS could not be performed nor

any alternative surgical procedures discussed. I asked on several

occasions in e-mail and in verbal discussion if the previous open

gallbladder surgery I had had some 14 years prior would pose a

problem, I was repeatedly assured that it simply meant the surgery

would take a little longer. I had assigned a health care proxy to

make decisions fro me in the event that I was unable to do so, my

health care proxy was never utilized.

Ren has chosen to talk about my case with perspective patients. This

a direct violation of doctor/patient confidentiality. Her disregard

for many tenets that are the basis a health care practice has been

numerous. She has told perspective patients that she " saved my life "

what she fails to mention is that as a direct result of her actions,

arterial blood supply was severed, and that she failed to identify

needed arteries prior to proceeding with the division of my duodenum.

The DS/BPD can and is done in two parts. There are tests that could

have ascertained the blood vessels, tests such as an

angiogram/arteriogram, or a DCEMRI, dynamic contrast enhanced MRI.

When I asked her why she didn't reconnect my duodenum after losing

the blood supply, I was told two things, that she could not find a

vein or artery, and then " I thought you wanted a WLS. "

When I asked what was the blood supply prior to dividing the

duodenum, she responded that she did not know, that is came from

lower on the duodenum, when I asked where lower, she responded that

she did not know, she never looked for it.

She has described DS/BPD patients as control oriented and obsessed

with the details of their anatomy. I guess I am control oriented, I

think maybe nature or God is too, since they made things like the

pyloric valve. Given her attitude concerning DS/BPD patients anatomy,

she must have enjoyed destroying my control, I hope it made her feel

real powerful.

I walk around feeling like I was date raped, except instead of using

the date rape drug, " Rolfies, " general anesthesia was used instead.

The sense of violation and mutilation is great. I feel like my life

got destroyed on 1/24/01.

Dr. Ren has repeatedly, whether in legal documentation, in e-mail

correspondence, or in discussion denied that any complications

occurred. She does not view the loss of my pyloric region or duodenal

remnant as a complication. She has further suggested that this

happens sometimes when the DS is performed, like it is a dark secret

of DS surgeons, and she was just more honest to tell me that this

occurred.

NYU hospital has acknowledged what they deem to be " an unforeseen

complication, not readily detailed in the medical literature by those

performing the DS/BPS procedures. "

I have written or spoken with some 13 DS surgeons around the country

and world. Included in feedback was Dr. Hess who has performed

perhaps more DS surgeries that any doctor in the world, as he

pioneered the procedure, Ren also called him, he has never had this

problem. I spoke with Dr. Gagner, as did she, he has never had this

problem. This problem was the direct result of what is called in

medicine a iatrogenic injury, that means, " doctor caused. "

I live on a daily basis with dumping syndrome. This is not the result

of eating concentrated sugars or even sugars at all, but simply has

to do with the passage of food from the tube like stomach pouch I was

left with, into my intestines. That means chills, postural

hypotension, the need to recline or lie down after eating, extreme

tiredness, with me falling asleep if it is a bad episode, epigastric

pain that radiates to my back. So much for quality of life or the

ability to function well, or at all, in the various roles I am

required to fill.

I can look forward to an increased risk of stomach cancer as many

studies suggest that

'the remnant stomach provides the environment that enhances the

development of gastric cancer. Mixed acid is more harmful than acid

reflux alone with possible toxic synergism existing between the

taurine conjugates and acid, this is called double reflux. "

" There is a relationship of stomach motor activity and food digestion

and absorption, esp in later years. As I age there will be a negative

correlation of orocecal transit time as the distal stomach and

pylorus most likely exert an important inhibitory mechanism in

regulation of this movement. "

The surgery I did end up with is not an accepted WLS, though she has

tried to sell it to me as Scopinero's BPD, which has quite a few

differences.

NYU and Ren has tried to suggest that the means justify the end. I am

here to say that that is simply not true. We might as well say that

the Nazi's actions were justified as they no doubt led to the

formation of the state of Israel.

A section of the informed consent form that I signed states, " The

nature and purpose and/or procedures, the necessity therefore, the

possible alternative methods of treatment, the risks involved and the

possibility of complication in the treatment have been fully

explained to me and I understand the same. "

I was not informed of any possible alternatives or of this

complication prior to going into surgery.

Since either the dark secret of DS surgery needs to be brought out

into the light so other potential DS/BPD patients can be made aware

of this potential complication and be given the benefit of making an

informed consent or Ren needs to own her mistakes.

I have worked in health care since 1987, I have owned my mistakes and

accepted the consequences of delivering less than the

accepted " standard of care " during that 14 year course. I do not

seek to justify or rationalize nor minimize my actions and there

potential ramifications to those charged to my care. It means I am

responsible to my patients and for my actions, and it means I will

not accept less than that standard of character and practice from

other health care providers. My stance on this issue is not so rare

or lofty, as I have had the example of other individuals and

institutions that have preceded and hold to such standards of

responsibility.

I live with the consequences of a series of choices I have made on a

daily basis and the events that surrounded those choices.

Deb

Ren, NYU, is now being investigated by ST. of NY office of Medical

Misconduct, State of NY Board of Health, Bureau of hospital affairs,

JCAHO, Nurses are being investigated via New York State Education

Dept., Office of Professions.

[Guest guest]

DEB--just wanted you to know Dr Ren is a wonderful DR. She did my surgery 17 months ago when at Mt Sinai. She is not only a gifted surgeon but a wonderful caring person---I would trust her with my life (infact I did) at any time without any hesitation!!!!!

RegardsMaxine Seibert