Re: reading about the nut/coconut flour

[Guest guest]

Well, coconut isn't the same as almonds and pecans, first of all. I don't think

it is actually a nut at all.

Also, are you quite sure you aren't simply allergic to nuts? My kids have food

allergies, more appropriately called intolerances that cause all kinds of GI

symptoms. That is how we ended up on SCD in the first place and why all my kids

are on it and not just the one with ASD.

If you are allergic you might get over it eventually once your system is to a

certain degree of healing and then again, you may not. No way to tell on that

score.

Chrissy

mama to 3 boys on SCD 3 months

>

> So reading the posts on almond flour and coconut flour got me thinking to

something similar.

>

> I cannot handle nut flour in the slightest. I can't really do nut products in

general. Maybe some occasional nut butter- but I don't like how I go postal and

just want more and more. Brings me back to my coca cola drinking days.

>

> Anyway, I am finding that shredded coconut and coconut flour don't seem to be

an issue at all.

> Obviously, in moderation.. I made the coconut pavlova's which are basically

macaroons IMO- from Ramacher's book. OMG YUMMY attack!

>

> Jodi

>

> Any thoughts as to why?

>

[Guest guest]

Well, coconut isn't the same as almonds and pecans, first of all. I don't think

it is actually a nut at all.

Also, are you quite sure you aren't simply allergic to nuts? My kids have food

allergies, more appropriately called intolerances that cause all kinds of GI

symptoms. That is how we ended up on SCD in the first place and why all my kids

are on it and not just the one with ASD.

If you are allergic you might get over it eventually once your system is to a

certain degree of healing and then again, you may not. No way to tell on that

score.

Chrissy

mama to 3 boys on SCD 3 months

>

> So reading the posts on almond flour and coconut flour got me thinking to

something similar.

>

> I cannot handle nut flour in the slightest. I can't really do nut products in

general. Maybe some occasional nut butter- but I don't like how I go postal and

just want more and more. Brings me back to my coca cola drinking days.

>

> Anyway, I am finding that shredded coconut and coconut flour don't seem to be

an issue at all.

> Obviously, in moderation.. I made the coconut pavlova's which are basically

macaroons IMO- from Ramacher's book. OMG YUMMY attack!

>

> Jodi

>

> Any thoughts as to why?

>

[Guest guest]

Chrissy,

I have had so many food allergy tests over the years that I just don't believe

in it anymore for me. It can be used as a great guide- but my test results were

always all over the place never duplicated. Wildly confusing. Today I know

more about how food allergy testing works so it does not surprise me.

But no, I have never thought about it that way that I may have a nut

intolerance. Hmmm.. That is an interesting line of thought.

I seem to love it though.. and boy cashews are like my vice!

I get a lot of anal symptoms post surgery from nuts. I also sometimes feel

tired and get a headache.

Jodi

[Guest guest]

Chrissy,

I have had so many food allergy tests over the years that I just don't believe

in it anymore for me. It can be used as a great guide- but my test results were

always all over the place never duplicated. Wildly confusing. Today I know

more about how food allergy testing works so it does not surprise me.

But no, I have never thought about it that way that I may have a nut

intolerance. Hmmm.. That is an interesting line of thought.

I seem to love it though.. and boy cashews are like my vice!

I get a lot of anal symptoms post surgery from nuts. I also sometimes feel

tired and get a headache.

Jodi

[Guest guest]

Your attraction to the very thing that causes problems is what started me down

the path of intolerance. My two oldest crave the very things that are the worst

for them and the youngest has slight nut intolerancs and LOVES them. He can

have them if I rotate them. And the wheat/dairy/potato thing...all three kids

and Daddy would eat these things and nothing else quite happily.

chrissy

>

> Chrissy,

>

> I have had so many food allergy tests over the years that I just don't believe

in it anymore for me. It can be used as a great guide- but my test results were

always all over the place never duplicated. Wildly confusing. Today I know

more about how food allergy testing works so it does not surprise me.

>

> But no, I have never thought about it that way that I may have a nut

intolerance. Hmmm.. That is an interesting line of thought.

>

> I seem to love it though.. and boy cashews are like my vice!

>

> I get a lot of anal symptoms post surgery from nuts. I also sometimes feel

tired and get a headache.

>

> Jodi

>

[Guest guest]

Chrissy,

I could eat roasted cashews every single day!

Same goes for most nuts really.

I think I will have to redefine what " intolerance " means.

How do you define it?

I make a distinction between allergy and sensitivity, how does intolerance in

your opinion fit into this picture?

I would be perfectly happy not eating nuts- it's just if I do I need tremendous

amounts of self control or else the flood gates open.. I loose all sense of

proportion and then I suffer. So I rather just go cold turkey..

I feel for me that is why I will have to be super creative long term on this

diet as I don't think I can be fruit, nut, dried fruit/veggies, honey, cheese

heavy at all. A little here and there of cheese, yea..

My dream is to go backpacking for a couple of months, possibly longer. I don't

see how I can do that with my restrictions and possible sleep apnea.

Ooops just kept typing again LOL.

Jodi

[Guest guest]

Chrissy,

I could eat roasted cashews every single day!

Same goes for most nuts really.

I think I will have to redefine what " intolerance " means.

How do you define it?

I make a distinction between allergy and sensitivity, how does intolerance in

your opinion fit into this picture?

I would be perfectly happy not eating nuts- it's just if I do I need tremendous

amounts of self control or else the flood gates open.. I loose all sense of

proportion and then I suffer. So I rather just go cold turkey..

I feel for me that is why I will have to be super creative long term on this

diet as I don't think I can be fruit, nut, dried fruit/veggies, honey, cheese

heavy at all. A little here and there of cheese, yea..

My dream is to go backpacking for a couple of months, possibly longer. I don't

see how I can do that with my restrictions and possible sleep apnea.

Ooops just kept typing again LOL.

Jodi

[Guest guest]

Chrissy,

I could eat roasted cashews every single day!

Same goes for most nuts really.

I think I will have to redefine what " intolerance " means.

How do you define it?

I make a distinction between allergy and sensitivity, how does intolerance in

your opinion fit into this picture?

I would be perfectly happy not eating nuts- it's just if I do I need tremendous

amounts of self control or else the flood gates open.. I loose all sense of

proportion and then I suffer. So I rather just go cold turkey..

I feel for me that is why I will have to be super creative long term on this

diet as I don't think I can be fruit, nut, dried fruit/veggies, honey, cheese

heavy at all. A little here and there of cheese, yea..

My dream is to go backpacking for a couple of months, possibly longer. I don't

see how I can do that with my restrictions and possible sleep apnea.

Ooops just kept typing again LOL.

Jodi

[Guest guest]

My dream is to go backpacking for a couple of months, possibly longer. I don't see how I can do that with my restrictions and possible sleep apnea.OMG me too!!! No sleep apnea for me though =) I wanted to hike the appalachian trail , or part of it, but then BOOM ulcerative colitis came along... =( I'm hoping it will be possible someday =) Pour Dieu, pour terre,Alyssa 15UC April 2008, diagnosed Sept 2008SCD June 2009 (restarted)2.5 mg Prednisone 1x daily ugh

[Guest guest]

My dream is to go backpacking for a couple of months, possibly longer. I don't see how I can do that with my restrictions and possible sleep apnea.OMG me too!!! No sleep apnea for me though =) I wanted to hike the appalachian trail , or part of it, but then BOOM ulcerative colitis came along... =( I'm hoping it will be possible someday =) Pour Dieu, pour terre,Alyssa 15UC April 2008, diagnosed Sept 2008SCD June 2009 (restarted)2.5 mg Prednisone 1x daily ugh

[Guest guest]

That's funny Jodi, because I have had such a huge nut butter craving for at

least the last month. I limit myself to 1 tbsp of almond butter a day (except

for the last week, of course), but I feel like I could eat the whole jar!

Luckily, my fear of making myself sick keeps me in control.

Holly

Crohn's

SCD 12/0108

>

> So reading the posts on almond flour and coconut flour got me thinking to

something similar.

>

> I cannot handle nut flour in the slightest. I can't really do nut products in

general. Maybe some occasional nut butter- but I don't like how I go postal and

just want more and more. Brings me back to my coca cola drinking days.

>

> Anyway, I am finding that shredded coconut and coconut flour don't seem to be

an issue at all.

> Obviously, in moderation.. I made the coconut pavlova's which are basically

macaroons IMO- from Ramacher's book. OMG YUMMY attack!

>

> Jodi

>

> Any thoughts as to why?

>

[Guest guest]

Alyssa..

I always wanted to do the India thing but don't know how realistic this is since

super healthy people get really bad D over there. I have a friend that was

perfectly (seriously, constitution like a bull) healthy that came back with some

horrid intestinal Amoeba. My brother was there and he said everyone gets D from

the Chai LOL. He had D the whole time he was there- and he was like in a Yoga

community and they traveled together via bus so like no living on the edge

backpacking/finding your way kind of thing.

I think my next best bet is to go to Australia/NZ and also do this in Spain (I'm

a big fan of architecture)

This disease sucks. Robs us. I do not know what I would of done without the

SCD coming into my life!!! Thankfully my thick skull had the sense to embrace it

and work through all the incredibly challenging and difficult times! I just

wish I found it sooner would of spared me a heck of a lot of suffering.. You are

so ahead of the curve taking matters into your own hands. I have much

admiration towards you doing this at your age and being so in tune and figuring

this stuff out! Kudos (nothing but compliments your way!!)

Jodi

[Guest guest]

Hi Kat

> I haven't tolerated nut products very well either. I didn't have any in the

beginning of SCD and then slowly tried having just a small amount. I kept

thinking it was because I hadn't healed enough, and given that so many people

tolerate nut butters early on, I was scared to try anything else.

This is -exactly- how I feel and what I go through!!!!!

> When I finally tried coconut flour I was so surprised. I can eat a lot of it

no problem. In fact it seems to help! I find having a coconut flour muffin and

some yogurt is a good snack and my blood sugar/hunger stays much more level than

if I had nuts.

I haven't done too much of it but I was able to eat two macaroons (that I made)

no problem. I also took it as a snack outside and it was great!

I sometimes feel like I crash after eating nuts. Like I almost get a high or I

immediately get sleepy.

> Lately I actually tried having raw fruit, and have done well with that too.

Then I added dried fruit, and still have done well. I tried adding in a moderate

portion of nuts each day, and have loose stool after just a couple days. I just

don't seem to digest it. I don't really believe it's food allergies as I can

have nut milk as much as I want. It just seems to be that my body can't break

down the fibers in it or something.

Interesting. AJ from Gay's Google group also says some interesting stuff about

nuts...

> I also do better with raw walnuts than with any other nut. I can have a

handful of raw walnuts a day, but any other nut, or baked goods made from nuts

including walnut, I can't have. I think it might have to do with fats. Most nuts

are heavy in Omega 6, walnuts have more Omega 3. Most fat in nuts is quite

fragile in heat and it could be that baking with it is changing the fats.

Coconut is mostly saturated fat which holds up to heat well.

Yea, someone told me to try walnuts due to Omega 3. She had also seen that with

her kid he didn't go cuckoo with pumpkin seeds (high in zinc) I made some

walnut butter (not the yummiest) so I tweaked it and added some spices- nutmeg,

cinnamon, sea salt, coconut oil and a bit of ghee.

When I have whole walnuts I too stop after a couple if I make the walnut butter

I just keep eating it too.

> Oh yeah, and I go absolutely mad when eating nuts and basically eat them till

they're gone (and then try to convince myself not to run to the store for more).

This mostly happens with cashews and almonds. Walnuts, I can stop after just a

handful. Weird..

I know.. it's almost like I need a sponsor like for people in AA. I have to

really work on myself not to buy more. Interestingly, I have tried to make sure

that it isn't the source of nuts either- so I was getting organic pecans sourced

from Italy etc.. Made no difference.

> Anyways, just wanted to say it's nice to hear someone else in the same

situation. I always wondered why I never did well with nuts...

I have heard of a lot of people not having self control with nuts but haven't

met many that nuts are a problem so far along the diet.

If you have any pointers on teh coconut flour and where you buy it that would be

great!

Jodi

[Guest guest]

Yep I tried the soaking thing for a while. It did help a little bit, but for

almonds and pecans I would still not feel well. I do eat raw walnuts

occaisionally now and usually soak them first. I tried raw soaked almonds but

the walnuts seem to be digested much better.

Kat

>

> Hey I was reading this thread and I wondered something. Raw foodists usually

soak and dehydrate nuts before eating them because it's supposed to help with

digestion. Have you tried doing that before eating the nuts?

> Stacey

>

[Guest guest]

Yep I tried the soaking thing for a while. It did help a little bit, but for

almonds and pecans I would still not feel well. I do eat raw walnuts

occaisionally now and usually soak them first. I tried raw soaked almonds but

the walnuts seem to be digested much better.

Kat

>

> Hey I was reading this thread and I wondered something. Raw foodists usually

soak and dehydrate nuts before eating them because it's supposed to help with

digestion. Have you tried doing that before eating the nuts?

> Stacey

>

[Guest guest]

Yep I tried the soaking thing for a while. It did help a little bit, but for

almonds and pecans I would still not feel well. I do eat raw walnuts

occaisionally now and usually soak them first. I tried raw soaked almonds but

the walnuts seem to be digested much better.

Kat

>

> Hey I was reading this thread and I wondered something. Raw foodists usually

soak and dehydrate nuts before eating them because it's supposed to help with

digestion. Have you tried doing that before eating the nuts?

> Stacey

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Jodi,

The only place I have found the coconut flour is at my local health food store.

It seems fairly cheap, I buy about 4 cups worth for 2$, and use 1/4 cup for 6

muffins. There's no brand that I see, maybe just the store brand, packaged in a

plastic tub.

Kat

> If you have any pointers on teh coconut flour and where you buy it that would

be great!

>

> Jodi

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Jodi,

The only place I have found the coconut flour is at my local health food store.

It seems fairly cheap, I buy about 4 cups worth for 2$, and use 1/4 cup for 6

muffins. There's no brand that I see, maybe just the store brand, packaged in a

plastic tub.

Kat

> If you have any pointers on teh coconut flour and where you buy it that would

be great!

>

> Jodi

>

[Guest guest]

Kat,

I have tried the soaked/dehydrated route. Still bothers me.

Jodi

[Guest guest]

Kat,

I have tried the soaked/dehydrated route. Still bothers me.

Jodi

[Guest guest]

It is very fine and powdery and almost a beige colour. I have some coconut

flakes as well which I tried adding to my yogurt and that was pretty nice too.

If you can only find flakes, you can put them in a food processor to make it

more like a flour. It does grind up better than nuts do (I could never get a

fine nut flour with my food processor).

Kat

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In BTVC-SCD , " jodah235 " wrote:

>

> Kat,

>

> Is it fine and powdery or is it still flakey?

>

> Jodi

>

>

> >

> > Hi Jodi,

> > The only place I have found the coconut flour is at my local health food

store. It seems fairly cheap, I buy about 4 cups worth for 2$, and use 1/4 cup

for 6 muffins. There's no brand that I see, maybe just the store brand, packaged

in a plastic tub.

> >

> > Kat

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Kat,

I think that is a good idea taking the coconut flour I have and throwing it the

food processor! Mine is a total white color. I wonder if coconut flour

oxidizes? Seems unlikely.

Jodi

[Guest guest]

White flour means something was added to prevent the colour change. Just like

dried apricots are usually dark brownish, but if they add something then it

stays a bright orange/yellow.

The coconut flakes I get are white, so they've probably been treated with

something. I have never had a reaction to it so I wouldn't worry.

Kat

>

> Kat,

>

> I think that is a good idea taking the coconut flour I have and throwing it

the food processor! Mine is a total white color. I wonder if coconut flour

oxidizes? Seems unlikely.

>

> Jodi

>