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There are several people on this board who feel that they get better results by

limiting carbs. I'm not sure how many carbs to limit, but I assume everyone is

different. Some people limit carbs because of yeast problems

I think that dripping the yogurt helps eliminate some carbs. I tolerate the

dripped yogurt better. The DCCC does not give you the probiotic benefits.

PJ

>

> alrighty friends,

>

> i figured out that what had caused me to have serious bloating and a return of

symptoms was a high intake of carbs (lots of honey... like 1/4 cup a day at

least, bananas, bout 5 of those, and yogurt about 3-4 cups)

>

> i at this point have probably about 80 grams a day (offcouse theyre all

legal). instead of yogurt i have DCCC, i have no bananas, and i have maybe 2

table spoons of honey, about a cup of apple cider 50/50 with water. also had

half an avocado today (which is about 10 grams i believe). im sure that thats

even less than 80 grams, probably more like 60.

>

> whats probably a good limit to reach daily, im probably going to stick to the

amount of carbs i currently consume.

>

> how many grams did some of you have while just starting?

>

>

> Thank you all,

> MarcinJBK

>

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There are several people on this board who feel that they get better results by

limiting carbs. I'm not sure how many carbs to limit, but I assume everyone is

different. Some people limit carbs because of yeast problems

I think that dripping the yogurt helps eliminate some carbs. I tolerate the

dripped yogurt better. The DCCC does not give you the probiotic benefits.

PJ

>

> alrighty friends,

>

> i figured out that what had caused me to have serious bloating and a return of

symptoms was a high intake of carbs (lots of honey... like 1/4 cup a day at

least, bananas, bout 5 of those, and yogurt about 3-4 cups)

>

> i at this point have probably about 80 grams a day (offcouse theyre all

legal). instead of yogurt i have DCCC, i have no bananas, and i have maybe 2

table spoons of honey, about a cup of apple cider 50/50 with water. also had

half an avocado today (which is about 10 grams i believe). im sure that thats

even less than 80 grams, probably more like 60.

>

> whats probably a good limit to reach daily, im probably going to stick to the

amount of carbs i currently consume.

>

> how many grams did some of you have while just starting?

>

>

> Thank you all,

> MarcinJBK

>

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There are several people on this board who feel that they get better results by

limiting carbs. I'm not sure how many carbs to limit, but I assume everyone is

different. Some people limit carbs because of yeast problems

I think that dripping the yogurt helps eliminate some carbs. I tolerate the

dripped yogurt better. The DCCC does not give you the probiotic benefits.

PJ

>

> alrighty friends,

>

> i figured out that what had caused me to have serious bloating and a return of

symptoms was a high intake of carbs (lots of honey... like 1/4 cup a day at

least, bananas, bout 5 of those, and yogurt about 3-4 cups)

>

> i at this point have probably about 80 grams a day (offcouse theyre all

legal). instead of yogurt i have DCCC, i have no bananas, and i have maybe 2

table spoons of honey, about a cup of apple cider 50/50 with water. also had

half an avocado today (which is about 10 grams i believe). im sure that thats

even less than 80 grams, probably more like 60.

>

> whats probably a good limit to reach daily, im probably going to stick to the

amount of carbs i currently consume.

>

> how many grams did some of you have while just starting?

>

>

> Thank you all,

> MarcinJBK

>

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>i figured out that what had caused me to have serious bloating and a return of symptoms was a high intake of carbs (lots of honey... like 1/4 cup a day at least, >bananas, bout 5 of those, and yogurt about 3-4 cups)

3-4 cups of yogurt is an awfully high

amount to start out with for the intro.

The yogurt has high amounts of probiotics, so

it is recommended to start with a tiny amount like 1/8 or 1/4 tsp.

then gradually increase as tolerated. I believe

2-3 cups/day is the max. amount recommended for

anyone.

If you have known issues with yeast, then honey

and sweet fruits like bananas should be limited.

(25% of the recipe amount for honey).

Diane D.

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>i figured out that what had caused me to have serious bloating and a return of symptoms was a high intake of carbs (lots of honey... like 1/4 cup a day at least, >bananas, bout 5 of those, and yogurt about 3-4 cups)

3-4 cups of yogurt is an awfully high

amount to start out with for the intro.

The yogurt has high amounts of probiotics, so

it is recommended to start with a tiny amount like 1/8 or 1/4 tsp.

then gradually increase as tolerated. I believe

2-3 cups/day is the max. amount recommended for

anyone.

If you have known issues with yeast, then honey

and sweet fruits like bananas should be limited.

(25% of the recipe amount for honey).

Diane D.

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>i figured out that what had caused me to have serious bloating and a return of symptoms was a high intake of carbs (lots of honey... like 1/4 cup a day at least, >bananas, bout 5 of those, and yogurt about 3-4 cups)3-4 cups of yogurt is an awfully highamount to start out with for the intro. The yogurt has high amounts of probiotics, soit is recommended to start with a tiny amount like 1/8 or 1/4 tsp.then gradually increase as tolerated. JUST a note that that is the amount recommended for ASD kidswho have been lactose intolerant or dairy free for years to start with. Or if you have personally had trouble with yogurt. Or ifan adult has been dairy free for years or is extremely sensitive toprobiotics. That's not the recommended amount for adults who have notbeen dairy free. Mara

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>i figured out that what had caused me to have serious bloating and a return of symptoms was a high intake of carbs (lots of honey... like 1/4 cup a day at least, >bananas, bout 5 of those, and yogurt about 3-4 cups)3-4 cups of yogurt is an awfully highamount to start out with for the intro. The yogurt has high amounts of probiotics, soit is recommended to start with a tiny amount like 1/8 or 1/4 tsp.then gradually increase as tolerated. JUST a note that that is the amount recommended for ASD kidswho have been lactose intolerant or dairy free for years to start with. Or if you have personally had trouble with yogurt. Or ifan adult has been dairy free for years or is extremely sensitive toprobiotics. That's not the recommended amount for adults who have notbeen dairy free. Mara

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>i figured out that what had caused me to have serious bloating and a return of symptoms was a high intake of carbs (lots of honey... like 1/4 cup a day at least, >bananas, bout 5 of those, and yogurt about 3-4 cups)3-4 cups of yogurt is an awfully highamount to start out with for the intro. The yogurt has high amounts of probiotics, soit is recommended to start with a tiny amount like 1/8 or 1/4 tsp.then gradually increase as tolerated. JUST a note that that is the amount recommended for ASD kidswho have been lactose intolerant or dairy free for years to start with. Or if you have personally had trouble with yogurt. Or ifan adult has been dairy free for years or is extremely sensitive toprobiotics. That's not the recommended amount for adults who have notbeen dairy free. Mara

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>That's not the recommended amount for adults who have not

>been dairy free.

>Mara

The difference with IBD/ASD is that

ASD kids do not use yogurt at all on the

intro diet, and use goat milk to make the

yogurt after 2-3 months.

IBD patients may use yogurt from the start,

whether with cow or goat milk, but if you are

just starting the diet and are on the intro-

and start out by eating 3 cups all at one time,

this will most likely cause unwanted symptoms

- such as D or bloating.

My suggestion is to start slower when introducing

the yogurt to avoid this.

Diane D.

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>That's not the recommended amount for adults who have not

>been dairy free.

>Mara

The difference with IBD/ASD is that

ASD kids do not use yogurt at all on the

intro diet, and use goat milk to make the

yogurt after 2-3 months.

IBD patients may use yogurt from the start,

whether with cow or goat milk, but if you are

just starting the diet and are on the intro-

and start out by eating 3 cups all at one time,

this will most likely cause unwanted symptoms

- such as D or bloating.

My suggestion is to start slower when introducing

the yogurt to avoid this.

Diane D.

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>That's not the recommended amount for adults who have not>been dairy free. >Mara The difference with IBD/ASD is thatASD kids do not use yogurt at all on theintro diet, and use goat milk to make theyogurt after 2-3 months. IBD patients may use yogurt from the start,whether with cow or goat milk, but if you arejust starting the diet and are on the intro-and start out by eating 3 cups all at one time,this will most likely cause unwanted symptoms- such as D or bloating. My suggestion is to start slower when introducingthe yogurt to avoid thisAgreed, But there's a big difference between1/8 teaspoon and 3 cups. And Elaine neverspecified 1/8 or 1/4 teaspoon for a starting dosefor adults, whereas obviously she easily could haveif that is what she thought it took for everyone.This diet is already so strict for beginners thatI don't like to see it interpreted into becoming even stricter than it has to. Mara

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Diane D,

I totally agree with this and I think it is a *major* stumbling point for MANY

IBD'ers that there is no clear path when it comes to intro'ing yogurt. ASD/IBD,

in my observation when it comes to probiotic foods and supplements- it's the

same thing really. Some are lucky that they experience no symptoms- but why

play with fire?

I think it is much better to acclimate one's system than a boom a huge amount..

Sometimes I am ok with a good amount of something but if I ate it two days in a

row- whammo.

Probiotics and intro need to be explained differently for IBD'ers on the

websites IMO.

That way people can know what they can do if they need to troubleshoot as well.

Jodi

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Diane D,

I totally agree with this and I think it is a *major* stumbling point for MANY

IBD'ers that there is no clear path when it comes to intro'ing yogurt. ASD/IBD,

in my observation when it comes to probiotic foods and supplements- it's the

same thing really. Some are lucky that they experience no symptoms- but why

play with fire?

I think it is much better to acclimate one's system than a boom a huge amount..

Sometimes I am ok with a good amount of something but if I ate it two days in a

row- whammo.

Probiotics and intro need to be explained differently for IBD'ers on the

websites IMO.

That way people can know what they can do if they need to troubleshoot as well.

Jodi

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Diane D,

I totally agree with this and I think it is a *major* stumbling point for MANY

IBD'ers that there is no clear path when it comes to intro'ing yogurt. ASD/IBD,

in my observation when it comes to probiotic foods and supplements- it's the

same thing really. Some are lucky that they experience no symptoms- but why

play with fire?

I think it is much better to acclimate one's system than a boom a huge amount..

Sometimes I am ok with a good amount of something but if I ate it two days in a

row- whammo.

Probiotics and intro need to be explained differently for IBD'ers on the

websites IMO.

That way people can know what they can do if they need to troubleshoot as well.

Jodi

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> Diane D,

>

> I totally agree with this and I think it is a *major* stumbling

> point for MANY IBD'ers that there is no clear path when it comes to

> intro'ing yogurt. ASD/IBD, in my observation when it comes to

> probiotic foods and supplements- it's the same thing really. Some

> are lucky that they experience no symptoms- but why play with fire?

Jodi,

So then why didn't Elaine write start with an 1/8 of a teaspoon?

Simple enough.

It's not the right approach for everyone - even for most people, even

though it

was the right approach for someone with your sensitivities.

I do think that there should be guidance that if your system is

extremely sensitive

to probiotics or if you have been dairy free, or etc. that is the

approach you should

take. And that everyone should start with a small amount - but not

that small. And

frankly, I don't think most people, people who are not that sensitive,

will do it. And

it's not applicable if you do not fall into a particular subset of

people on SCD.

It's like the intro. Some people intro just fine on carrots and

others don't.

To extrapolate to a different example, same as when starting LDN. You

started

at 1.5 and I started at 4.5.

I didn't have to start at 1.5 just because some sensitive people need

to. Nor do the

majority of the people on the LDN group list with IBD complaints. Etc.

Mara

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Mara,

LDN is not a good example for this at all.

And it is not only about sensitivity. It is about teaching people that

probiotics are a powerful thing.

It is about not knowing how people will react.

And this is something that warrants a lot of caution.

I go to a doctor office that tries to put many people on the SCD- they try the

yogurt- get sick and abandon it. I then get an IV in the office and schmooze

with these people and find out they started out with a half a cup.

Elaine spent her last years giving info to the ASD community IMO not really

updating info for the IBD community.

Anyway over time I have observed that GAPS has a lot more initial success due to

the constant explaination of how to intro probiotics.

They don't only deal with ASD but have a lot of people there with a multitude of

issues.

Jodi

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Mara,

LDN is not a good example for this at all.

And it is not only about sensitivity. It is about teaching people that

probiotics are a powerful thing.

It is about not knowing how people will react.

And this is something that warrants a lot of caution.

I go to a doctor office that tries to put many people on the SCD- they try the

yogurt- get sick and abandon it. I then get an IV in the office and schmooze

with these people and find out they started out with a half a cup.

Elaine spent her last years giving info to the ASD community IMO not really

updating info for the IBD community.

Anyway over time I have observed that GAPS has a lot more initial success due to

the constant explaination of how to intro probiotics.

They don't only deal with ASD but have a lot of people there with a multitude of

issues.

Jodi

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> Mara,

>

> LDN is not a good example for this at all.

> And it is not only about sensitivity. It is about teaching people

> that probiotics are a powerful thing.

>

> It is about not knowing how people will react.

> And this is something that warrants a lot of caution.

>

> I go to a doctor office that tries to put many people on the SCD-

> they try the yogurt- get sick and abandon it. I then get an IV in

> the office and schmooze with these people and find out they started

> out with a half a cup.

>

> Elaine spent her last years giving info to the ASD community IMO not

> really updating info for the IBD community.

>

> Anyway over time I have observed that GAPS has a lot more initial

> success due to the constant explaination of how to intro probiotics.

> They don't only deal with ASD but have a lot of people there with a

> multitude of issues.

Well, we'll just have to agree to disagree.

I think people who are going to your doctor are probably pretty ill

and pretty

sensitive. Furthermore, are you sure they are doing the intro right

in other

ways - and not just eating too much yogurt initially? They are not

on the lists -

so that suggests they are probably making other mistakes, as we all

would

without list support. And further, they may also have a host of other

complicating

problems, layers of illness. I certainly agree that sensitive people

should start

with very small amounts of probiotics.

Also GAPS doesn't just intro probiotics differently, they have an

entirely

different intro protocol - what with the broth all day long and

eventually adding the

raw egg yolk to it and the non dairy approach for most people.

I think there is a lot of merit to that protocol, but the whole thing

is significantly

different. Including adding onion and garlic and other veggies almost

from the

start.

So even there, you are not only dealing with probiotics in isolation.

And you

don't know whether it is the introduction of the probiotics or the

entire protocol

which is making for the success rate.

And even gaps doesn't start with an 1/8-1/4 of a teaspoon, but with

1-2 teaspoons.

That's up to 16 times more than what was being suggested.

And how much effort do you think it would have taken for Elaine to say

- start

with 1/8 to 1/4 of a teaspoon? She was on the lists a lot, from what

I gather.

She never said it as a general rule for IBDers, AFAIK.

Mara

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> Mara,

>

> LDN is not a good example for this at all.

> And it is not only about sensitivity. It is about teaching people

> that probiotics are a powerful thing.

>

> It is about not knowing how people will react.

> And this is something that warrants a lot of caution.

>

> I go to a doctor office that tries to put many people on the SCD-

> they try the yogurt- get sick and abandon it. I then get an IV in

> the office and schmooze with these people and find out they started

> out with a half a cup.

>

> Elaine spent her last years giving info to the ASD community IMO not

> really updating info for the IBD community.

>

> Anyway over time I have observed that GAPS has a lot more initial

> success due to the constant explaination of how to intro probiotics.

> They don't only deal with ASD but have a lot of people there with a

> multitude of issues.

Well, we'll just have to agree to disagree.

I think people who are going to your doctor are probably pretty ill

and pretty

sensitive. Furthermore, are you sure they are doing the intro right

in other

ways - and not just eating too much yogurt initially? They are not

on the lists -

so that suggests they are probably making other mistakes, as we all

would

without list support. And further, they may also have a host of other

complicating

problems, layers of illness. I certainly agree that sensitive people

should start

with very small amounts of probiotics.

Also GAPS doesn't just intro probiotics differently, they have an

entirely

different intro protocol - what with the broth all day long and

eventually adding the

raw egg yolk to it and the non dairy approach for most people.

I think there is a lot of merit to that protocol, but the whole thing

is significantly

different. Including adding onion and garlic and other veggies almost

from the

start.

So even there, you are not only dealing with probiotics in isolation.

And you

don't know whether it is the introduction of the probiotics or the

entire protocol

which is making for the success rate.

And even gaps doesn't start with an 1/8-1/4 of a teaspoon, but with

1-2 teaspoons.

That's up to 16 times more than what was being suggested.

And how much effort do you think it would have taken for Elaine to say

- start

with 1/8 to 1/4 of a teaspoon? She was on the lists a lot, from what

I gather.

She never said it as a general rule for IBDers, AFAIK.

Mara

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> Mara,

>

> LDN is not a good example for this at all.

> And it is not only about sensitivity. It is about teaching people

> that probiotics are a powerful thing.

>

> It is about not knowing how people will react.

> And this is something that warrants a lot of caution.

>

> I go to a doctor office that tries to put many people on the SCD-

> they try the yogurt- get sick and abandon it. I then get an IV in

> the office and schmooze with these people and find out they started

> out with a half a cup.

>

> Elaine spent her last years giving info to the ASD community IMO not

> really updating info for the IBD community.

>

> Anyway over time I have observed that GAPS has a lot more initial

> success due to the constant explaination of how to intro probiotics.

> They don't only deal with ASD but have a lot of people there with a

> multitude of issues.

Well, we'll just have to agree to disagree.

I think people who are going to your doctor are probably pretty ill

and pretty

sensitive. Furthermore, are you sure they are doing the intro right

in other

ways - and not just eating too much yogurt initially? They are not

on the lists -

so that suggests they are probably making other mistakes, as we all

would

without list support. And further, they may also have a host of other

complicating

problems, layers of illness. I certainly agree that sensitive people

should start

with very small amounts of probiotics.

Also GAPS doesn't just intro probiotics differently, they have an

entirely

different intro protocol - what with the broth all day long and

eventually adding the

raw egg yolk to it and the non dairy approach for most people.

I think there is a lot of merit to that protocol, but the whole thing

is significantly

different. Including adding onion and garlic and other veggies almost

from the

start.

So even there, you are not only dealing with probiotics in isolation.

And you

don't know whether it is the introduction of the probiotics or the

entire protocol

which is making for the success rate.

And even gaps doesn't start with an 1/8-1/4 of a teaspoon, but with

1-2 teaspoons.

That's up to 16 times more than what was being suggested.

And how much effort do you think it would have taken for Elaine to say

- start

with 1/8 to 1/4 of a teaspoon? She was on the lists a lot, from what

I gather.

She never said it as a general rule for IBDers, AFAIK.

Mara

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Mara,

You're just getting into semantics right now.

I never specifically said an amount- the idea though is that people should and

need to intro less in the begining. In my observation people who do this find

faster results.

Baden, bless her was the one who gave her opinion about probitocs introduction.

This is clearly expressed in her posts. I think this was an absolutely

brilliant move on her behalf.

GAPS focuses on broths from the get go..

My doc that I am talking about treats many many sort of people- not just the

very sensitive. He ends up putting people on BED due to people getting sick

from yogurt and the chicken soup.

Now we can get into nitty gritty details why I think those people aren't finding

results on the SCD- for one the intro protocol isn't delineated in a way that is

tangible in the book. With that said I have met a long term SCD'er in his

office that did just fine.

I think Elaine gave an outline and was like here " go swim "

I do feel this is good on one level since we are all so different.

I do however think she missed the beat when it came to probiotic intro and intro

diet for IBD'ers. But Elaine was only one person and how can all of this info

be contained in a book that needs to reeducate about the whole idea of the

vicious cycle, the SAD and the basic science behind gut ecology. It's just

impossible. That is why websites need to be updated and constantly improved.

Dr McBride did this on her website with great success.

Jodi

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Mara,

You're just getting into semantics right now.

I never specifically said an amount- the idea though is that people should and

need to intro less in the begining. In my observation people who do this find

faster results.

Baden, bless her was the one who gave her opinion about probitocs introduction.

This is clearly expressed in her posts. I think this was an absolutely

brilliant move on her behalf.

GAPS focuses on broths from the get go..

My doc that I am talking about treats many many sort of people- not just the

very sensitive. He ends up putting people on BED due to people getting sick

from yogurt and the chicken soup.

Now we can get into nitty gritty details why I think those people aren't finding

results on the SCD- for one the intro protocol isn't delineated in a way that is

tangible in the book. With that said I have met a long term SCD'er in his

office that did just fine.

I think Elaine gave an outline and was like here " go swim "

I do feel this is good on one level since we are all so different.

I do however think she missed the beat when it came to probiotic intro and intro

diet for IBD'ers. But Elaine was only one person and how can all of this info

be contained in a book that needs to reeducate about the whole idea of the

vicious cycle, the SAD and the basic science behind gut ecology. It's just

impossible. That is why websites need to be updated and constantly improved.

Dr McBride did this on her website with great success.

Jodi

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Mara,

You're just getting into semantics right now.

I never specifically said an amount- the idea though is that people should and

need to intro less in the begining. In my observation people who do this find

faster results.

Baden, bless her was the one who gave her opinion about probitocs introduction.

This is clearly expressed in her posts. I think this was an absolutely

brilliant move on her behalf.

GAPS focuses on broths from the get go..

My doc that I am talking about treats many many sort of people- not just the

very sensitive. He ends up putting people on BED due to people getting sick

from yogurt and the chicken soup.

Now we can get into nitty gritty details why I think those people aren't finding

results on the SCD- for one the intro protocol isn't delineated in a way that is

tangible in the book. With that said I have met a long term SCD'er in his

office that did just fine.

I think Elaine gave an outline and was like here " go swim "

I do feel this is good on one level since we are all so different.

I do however think she missed the beat when it came to probiotic intro and intro

diet for IBD'ers. But Elaine was only one person and how can all of this info

be contained in a book that needs to reeducate about the whole idea of the

vicious cycle, the SAD and the basic science behind gut ecology. It's just

impossible. That is why websites need to be updated and constantly improved.

Dr McBride did this on her website with great success.

Jodi

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At 10:23 PM 10/9/2009, you wrote:

The

difference with IBD/ASD is that ASD kids do not use yogurt at all on the

intro diet, and use goat milk to make the

yogurt after 2-3 months.

IBD patients may use yogurt from the start, whether

with cow or goat milk, but if you are just starting the diet and are on

the intro-

and start out by eating 3 cups all at one time,this will most likely

cause unwanted symptoms - such as D or bloating.

My suggestion is to start slower when introducing

the yogurt to avoid this.

Diane,

It's a fact that eating three cups of yogurt a day can cause

die-off. However, I think there's a BIG different between 1/8

teaspoon and three cups.

One of the things which Elaine assumed (and in most cases, she was right)

is that people going into this diet would use moderation in what they

ate.

She limited the nut breads when she discovered that people were filling

up on nut breads and not eating any meat or vegetables or fruit or

eggs.

She put a three cup limit on yogurt after there were people who were

going through 2 quarts of yogurt a day. (Can't imagine that,

myself.)

Probably what a good guideline would be is, " If you have had a

sensitivity to dairy in the past, you may wish to start slowly with SCD

yogurt. "

Another guideline could be, " If you are eating a significant amount

of yogurt, and are having issues, try some of the yogurt cooked, as in a

custard, to see if it is the dairy, or if it is the huge doses of

probiotics. "

While I agree that if someone is eating a significant amount of

something, especially something as powerful as SCD yogurt, and is having

a problem, it would be wise to scale back, I think it would be a mistake

to say that everyone should start with 1/8 teaspoon.

—

Marilyn

New

Orleans, Louisiana, USA

Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

Darn Good SCD Cook

No Human Children

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At 10:23 PM 10/9/2009, you wrote:

The

difference with IBD/ASD is that ASD kids do not use yogurt at all on the

intro diet, and use goat milk to make the

yogurt after 2-3 months.

IBD patients may use yogurt from the start, whether

with cow or goat milk, but if you are just starting the diet and are on

the intro-

and start out by eating 3 cups all at one time,this will most likely

cause unwanted symptoms - such as D or bloating.

My suggestion is to start slower when introducing

the yogurt to avoid this.

Diane,

It's a fact that eating three cups of yogurt a day can cause

die-off. However, I think there's a BIG different between 1/8

teaspoon and three cups.

One of the things which Elaine assumed (and in most cases, she was right)

is that people going into this diet would use moderation in what they

ate.

She limited the nut breads when she discovered that people were filling

up on nut breads and not eating any meat or vegetables or fruit or

eggs.

She put a three cup limit on yogurt after there were people who were

going through 2 quarts of yogurt a day. (Can't imagine that,

myself.)

Probably what a good guideline would be is, " If you have had a

sensitivity to dairy in the past, you may wish to start slowly with SCD

yogurt. "

Another guideline could be, " If you are eating a significant amount

of yogurt, and are having issues, try some of the yogurt cooked, as in a

custard, to see if it is the dairy, or if it is the huge doses of

probiotics. "

While I agree that if someone is eating a significant amount of

something, especially something as powerful as SCD yogurt, and is having

a problem, it would be wise to scale back, I think it would be a mistake

to say that everyone should start with 1/8 teaspoon.

—

Marilyn

New

Orleans, Louisiana, USA

Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

Darn Good SCD Cook

No Human Children

Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

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