Re: limit of carbs on the intro?

[Guest guest]

At 10:23 PM 10/9/2009, you wrote:

The

difference with IBD/ASD is that ASD kids do not use yogurt at all on the

intro diet, and use goat milk to make the

yogurt after 2-3 months.

IBD patients may use yogurt from the start, whether

with cow or goat milk, but if you are just starting the diet and are on

the intro-

and start out by eating 3 cups all at one time,this will most likely

cause unwanted symptoms - such as D or bloating.

My suggestion is to start slower when introducing

the yogurt to avoid this.

Diane,

It's a fact that eating three cups of yogurt a day can cause

die-off. However, I think there's a BIG different between 1/8

teaspoon and three cups.

One of the things which Elaine assumed (and in most cases, she was right)

is that people going into this diet would use moderation in what they

ate.

She limited the nut breads when she discovered that people were filling

up on nut breads and not eating any meat or vegetables or fruit or

eggs.

She put a three cup limit on yogurt after there were people who were

going through 2 quarts of yogurt a day. (Can't imagine that,

myself.)

Probably what a good guideline would be is, " If you have had a

sensitivity to dairy in the past, you may wish to start slowly with SCD

yogurt. "

Another guideline could be, " If you are eating a significant amount

of yogurt, and are having issues, try some of the yogurt cooked, as in a

custard, to see if it is the dairy, or if it is the huge doses of

probiotics. "

While I agree that if someone is eating a significant amount of

something, especially something as powerful as SCD yogurt, and is having

a problem, it would be wise to scale back, I think it would be a mistake

to say that everyone should start with 1/8 teaspoon.

—

Marilyn

New

Orleans, Louisiana, USA

Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

Darn Good SCD Cook

No Human Children

Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

[Guest guest]

I started with 1/2 a cup of yogurt a day, and was able to increase it to 2 cups

within a month.

I believe Elaine said not to eat more than 3 cups a day.

Holly

Crohn's

SCD 12/01/08

>

> >

> >

> > >That's not the recommended amount for adults who have not

> > >been dairy free.

> >

> > >Mara

> >

> > The difference with IBD/ASD is that

> > ASD kids do not use yogurt at all on the

> > intro diet, and use goat milk to make the

> > yogurt after 2-3 months.

> >

> > IBD patients may use yogurt from the start,

> > whether with cow or goat milk, but if you are

> > just starting the diet and are on the intro-

> > and start out by eating 3 cups all at one time,

> > this will most likely cause unwanted symptoms

> > - such as D or bloating.

> >

> > My suggestion is to start slower when introducing

> > the yogurt to avoid this

>

> Agreed, But there's a big difference between

> 1/8 teaspoon and 3 cups. And Elaine never

> specified 1/8 or 1/4 teaspoon for a starting dose

> for adults, whereas obviously she easily could have

> if that is what she thought it took for everyone.

>

> This diet is already so strict for beginners that

> I don't like to see it interpreted into becoming

> even stricter than it has to.

>

> Mara

>

[Guest guest]

I started with 1/2 a cup of yogurt a day, and was able to increase it to 2 cups

within a month.

I believe Elaine said not to eat more than 3 cups a day.

Holly

Crohn's

SCD 12/01/08

>

> >

> >

> > >That's not the recommended amount for adults who have not

> > >been dairy free.

> >

> > >Mara

> >

> > The difference with IBD/ASD is that

> > ASD kids do not use yogurt at all on the

> > intro diet, and use goat milk to make the

> > yogurt after 2-3 months.

> >

> > IBD patients may use yogurt from the start,

> > whether with cow or goat milk, but if you are

> > just starting the diet and are on the intro-

> > and start out by eating 3 cups all at one time,

> > this will most likely cause unwanted symptoms

> > - such as D or bloating.

> >

> > My suggestion is to start slower when introducing

> > the yogurt to avoid this

>

> Agreed, But there's a big difference between

> 1/8 teaspoon and 3 cups. And Elaine never

> specified 1/8 or 1/4 teaspoon for a starting dose

> for adults, whereas obviously she easily could have

> if that is what she thought it took for everyone.

>

> This diet is already so strict for beginners that

> I don't like to see it interpreted into becoming

> even stricter than it has to.

>

> Mara

>

[Guest guest]

I started with 1/2 a cup of yogurt a day, and was able to increase it to 2 cups

within a month.

I believe Elaine said not to eat more than 3 cups a day.

Holly

Crohn's

SCD 12/01/08

>

> >

> >

> > >That's not the recommended amount for adults who have not

> > >been dairy free.

> >

> > >Mara

> >

> > The difference with IBD/ASD is that

> > ASD kids do not use yogurt at all on the

> > intro diet, and use goat milk to make the

> > yogurt after 2-3 months.

> >

> > IBD patients may use yogurt from the start,

> > whether with cow or goat milk, but if you are

> > just starting the diet and are on the intro-

> > and start out by eating 3 cups all at one time,

> > this will most likely cause unwanted symptoms

> > - such as D or bloating.

> >

> > My suggestion is to start slower when introducing

> > the yogurt to avoid this

>

> Agreed, But there's a big difference between

> 1/8 teaspoon and 3 cups. And Elaine never

> specified 1/8 or 1/4 teaspoon for a starting dose

> for adults, whereas obviously she easily could have

> if that is what she thought it took for everyone.

>

> This diet is already so strict for beginners that

> I don't like to see it interpreted into becoming

> even stricter than it has to.

>

> Mara

>

[Guest guest]

Holly,

Unfortunately there are many that don't increase it as slowly as you did. They

jump right into it.

Jodi

[Guest guest]

Holly,

Unfortunately there are many that don't increase it as slowly as you did. They

jump right into it.

Jodi

[Guest guest]

Hi, I noticed mention of GAPS a couple of times in this thread, and wonder if

you can explain the difference between the GAPS diet, and SCD? I thought GAPS

was SCD broadened beyond diet, and didn't realize there were dietary

differences... Thank you...

>

....

> Baden, bless her was the one who gave her opinion about probitocs

introduction. This is clearly expressed in her posts. I think this was an

absolutely brilliant move on her behalf.

>

> GAPS focuses on broths from the get go...

>

> Jodi

>

[Guest guest]

Hi, I noticed mention of GAPS a couple of times in this thread, and wonder if

you can explain the difference between the GAPS diet, and SCD? I thought GAPS

was SCD broadened beyond diet, and didn't realize there were dietary

differences... Thank you...

>

....

> Baden, bless her was the one who gave her opinion about probitocs

introduction. This is clearly expressed in her posts. I think this was an

absolutely brilliant move on her behalf.

>

> GAPS focuses on broths from the get go...

>

> Jodi

>

[Guest guest]

Hi, I noticed mention of GAPS a couple of times in this thread, and wonder if

you can explain the difference between the GAPS diet, and SCD? I thought GAPS

was SCD broadened beyond diet, and didn't realize there were dietary

differences... Thank you...

>

....

> Baden, bless her was the one who gave her opinion about probitocs

introduction. This is clearly expressed in her posts. I think this was an

absolutely brilliant move on her behalf.

>

> GAPS focuses on broths from the get go...

>

> Jodi

>

[Guest guest]

GAPS is based on the SCD.

Dr McBride used Elaine's BTVC as a stepping stone to talk about broader aspects

of health in general and why we get to being in the vicious cycle to begin with.

There are illegal tweaks in GAPS and some differences.

GAPS allows for a multi strain bacteria probiotic which is illegal on the SCD

because it has many strains Elaine did not approve of including Bifidus. Also,

GAPS allows for certain fillers in supplements that Elaine did not approve

including Maltodextrin and some others... saying it is in minuscule amounts so

it's negligible.

Elaine did not advocate prebiotics for the SCD whereas GAPS does.

GAPS also suggests people be dairy free at least 6 weeks. Some people are dairy

free longer (I think this is one of the smartest suggestions of GAPS since

people heal before intro'ing casien and it seems people have a lot faster

results)

GAPS also has a different intro protocol which I think is great but IBD'ers need

to be careful with some of the suggestions.

In general the Intro protocol is extremely multi faceted and if one -can- follow

it (many people tweak it themselves the way we do with our SCD intro) people

have good results. I think the way GAPS spells it out makes it much easier for

people. The inclusion on bone broths and ghee help people feel satiated but

that works if you can handle fat.

GAPS allows for fermented kraut juice early on.. Which Elaine was a bit

hesitant about due to mold formation etc.

I incorporate many GAPS suggestions into my journey. All the suggestions that I

incorp'ed are SCD legal. I paid attention early on to do this.

Jodi

[Guest guest]

GAPS is based on the SCD.

Dr McBride used Elaine's BTVC as a stepping stone to talk about broader aspects

of health in general and why we get to being in the vicious cycle to begin with.

There are illegal tweaks in GAPS and some differences.

GAPS allows for a multi strain bacteria probiotic which is illegal on the SCD

because it has many strains Elaine did not approve of including Bifidus. Also,

GAPS allows for certain fillers in supplements that Elaine did not approve

including Maltodextrin and some others... saying it is in minuscule amounts so

it's negligible.

Elaine did not advocate prebiotics for the SCD whereas GAPS does.

GAPS also suggests people be dairy free at least 6 weeks. Some people are dairy

free longer (I think this is one of the smartest suggestions of GAPS since

people heal before intro'ing casien and it seems people have a lot faster

results)

GAPS also has a different intro protocol which I think is great but IBD'ers need

to be careful with some of the suggestions.

In general the Intro protocol is extremely multi faceted and if one -can- follow

it (many people tweak it themselves the way we do with our SCD intro) people

have good results. I think the way GAPS spells it out makes it much easier for

people. The inclusion on bone broths and ghee help people feel satiated but

that works if you can handle fat.

GAPS allows for fermented kraut juice early on.. Which Elaine was a bit

hesitant about due to mold formation etc.

I incorporate many GAPS suggestions into my journey. All the suggestions that I

incorp'ed are SCD legal. I paid attention early on to do this.

Jodi

[Guest guest]

GAPS is based on the SCD.

Dr McBride used Elaine's BTVC as a stepping stone to talk about broader aspects

of health in general and why we get to being in the vicious cycle to begin with.

There are illegal tweaks in GAPS and some differences.

GAPS allows for a multi strain bacteria probiotic which is illegal on the SCD

because it has many strains Elaine did not approve of including Bifidus. Also,

GAPS allows for certain fillers in supplements that Elaine did not approve

including Maltodextrin and some others... saying it is in minuscule amounts so

it's negligible.

Elaine did not advocate prebiotics for the SCD whereas GAPS does.

GAPS also suggests people be dairy free at least 6 weeks. Some people are dairy

free longer (I think this is one of the smartest suggestions of GAPS since

people heal before intro'ing casien and it seems people have a lot faster

results)

GAPS also has a different intro protocol which I think is great but IBD'ers need

to be careful with some of the suggestions.

In general the Intro protocol is extremely multi faceted and if one -can- follow

it (many people tweak it themselves the way we do with our SCD intro) people

have good results. I think the way GAPS spells it out makes it much easier for

people. The inclusion on bone broths and ghee help people feel satiated but

that works if you can handle fat.

GAPS allows for fermented kraut juice early on.. Which Elaine was a bit

hesitant about due to mold formation etc.

I incorporate many GAPS suggestions into my journey. All the suggestions that I

incorp'ed are SCD legal. I paid attention early on to do this.

Jodi

[Guest guest]

At 05:21 AM 10/12/2009, you wrote:

Over at PB.

Well, remember that ASD kids sometimes can't handle what IBDers can, and

vice versa.

—

Marilyn

New

Orleans, Louisiana, USA

Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

Darn Good SCD Cook

No Human Children

Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

[Guest guest]

At 05:21 AM 10/12/2009, you wrote:

Over at PB.

Well, remember that ASD kids sometimes can't handle what IBDers can, and

vice versa.

—

Marilyn

New

Orleans, Louisiana, USA

Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

Darn Good SCD Cook

No Human Children

Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

[Guest guest]

>

>

> At 05:21 AM 10/12/2009, you wrote:

>> Over at PB.

>

> Well, remember that ASD kids sometimes can't handle what IBDers can,

> and vice versa.

Hee, and now this thread has come full circle.

My end is my beginning, and etc.

Mara

[Guest guest]

>

>

> At 05:21 AM 10/12/2009, you wrote:

>> Over at PB.

>

> Well, remember that ASD kids sometimes can't handle what IBDers can,

> and vice versa.

Hee, and now this thread has come full circle.

My end is my beginning, and etc.

Mara

[Guest guest]

Whatever Mara.

Jodi

[Guest guest]

Whatever Mara.

Jodi

[Guest guest]

Whatever Mara.

Jodi