Vaccine questions

February 20, 2001

All vaccinated kids don't have it and that is why vaccines are touted as so

safe. The reasons for why are being studied, like a genetic predisposition,

a sick child receiving vaccination who's immune system is already struggling,

a bad lot which are traced to many adverse reactions, a mother possibly

carrying a heavy viral or toxic load herself, environmental. If we add on

too many stresses during a very fragile period our children may suffer. So

which particular one is the culprit. My guess is it is a combination of

factors.

When one looks at all the materials we can see certain patterns, like mainly

vaccination lead to antibiotics use and a change over to a pro inflammatory

response. Possible too that some kids are actually allergic to certain

vaccine components. You can see it isn't clear cut. The total amount of

mercury that are kids get is over the toxic limit that would be suggested for

anyone. If you add up all the vaccines.

> Why don't all vaccinated kids have it?

February 20, 2001

CDC maintains vaccines are safe. There are billions of dollars involved here

with the drug companys and doctors might also get money per vaccination.

They don't want to scare everyone either by saying anything that might change

parents minds about vaccinating. They are now saying thermosol ( mercury )

is going to be removed. I was reading about a professor who looked into this

, but I forgot his name. He wondered why parents were not vaccinating and

wanted to check into this for fear of a big scare. What he found out was

this. When he added up just how much mercury ( one of the most toxic

substances know to man) was being injected he came up with a total that

changed his mind about the safety of vaccines. What they did to establish

safety was to look at ONE singele shot for content of mercury, but they

did not look into ALL the shots combined over time .

kelly

> Is the CDC looking into any of this? Seems like they'd want to clear this

> matter up one way or another.

>

February 20, 2001

Hi, i'm a new member. I don't think it is fair to say all autism or

Asperger's is caused by vaccines. I believe it is usually genetic and may

skip generations. As our society gets larger and more complex, traits of

Asperger's that were overlooked in other generations may be more obvious to

us now. To me, the question of where it came from is futile and keeps me

from taking a more proactive position in helping my son overcome his

difficulties. Of course, this in only my opinion. I realize this issue of

vaccines is a very personal one. Don't write back to me if this upsets

anyone !

February 20, 2001

Did she get hep b at birth? Did she receive DPT?

> My autistic daughter never seemed exactly " fine "

February 20, 2001

Okay, I am still quite new to all of this (my 2-year old was just diagnosed with

autism 2 weeks ago), so please forgive me if these are dumb questions. I've

heard a lot of speculation about the relationship between vaccines and autism.

Do you all not give your children the vaccines at all or do you just withhold

them till the kids are older? And if so, how long do you wait? My other

question is--If vaccines are causing autism, why don't all vaccinated kids have

it? I hope nobody takes this the wrong way. This is just all very confusing to

me and I'm trying to understand it. Plus, I have a 2 month old son and I am

having serious doubts about his vaccinations now. TIA!

~Amy

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February 20, 2001

Yes I agree , that and lawsuits. Although here in the US we aren't able to

collect, are we.??? Looks like the've got some lawsuits over in the UK

though. kelly :

> I am saddened to say (and I believe this after many months of disbelief..)

> that it boils down to MONEY.

>

February 20, 2001

Thanks for answering. That helped a little.

Is the CDC looking into any of this? Seems like they'd want to clear this

matter up one way or another.

~Amy

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Re: Vaccine questions

> All vaccinated kids don't have it and that is why vaccines are touted as

so

> safe. The reasons for why are being studied, like a genetic

predisposition,

> a sick child receiving vaccination who's immune system is already

struggling,

> a bad lot which are traced to many adverse reactions, a mother possibly

> carrying a heavy viral or toxic load herself, environmental. If we add on

> too many stresses during a very fragile period our children may suffer.

So

> which particular one is the culprit. My guess is it is a combination of

> factors.

>

> When one looks at all the materials we can see certain patterns, like

mainly

> vaccination lead to antibiotics use and a change over to a pro

inflammatory

> response. Possible too that some kids are actually allergic to certain

> vaccine components. You can see it isn't clear cut. The total amount of

> mercury that are kids get is over the toxic limit that would be suggested

for

> anyone. If you add up all the vaccines.

>

> > Why don't all vaccinated kids have it?

>

February 20, 2001

I understand what you're saying. I wouldn't dwell on this to the extent it

was taking up all of my time and keeping me from working with my daughter to

help her reach her potential. But I do have a newborn son and I feel this

deserves a little looking into since so many people believe it could be a

problem.

~Amy

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To me, the question of where it came from is futile and keeps me

> from taking a more proactive position in helping my son overcome his

> difficulties.

February 20, 2001

I don't think my son was fine when he was a baby either. He cried all the time

and didn't sleep very well everyone thought he had bad colic. When my youngest

son was about 6 months I remember telling him to clap his hands or stomp his

feet and liked to imitate people and play with people. My autistic son never did

any of those things. My MIL is so sure he regressed at about 18 months and that

he was fine before that. He did say a few words that he stopped saying but I

didn't notice a much regression.

He was my first child and that is probaly why I didn't really notice anything

wrong. He just seemed so difficult to be around I had been around babies before

but not for long periods of time I just thought that was the way babies were.

And I thought something was wrong with me because I didn't enjoy being with my

baby as much as I thought I should.

a

Re: Vaccine questions

My autistic daughter never seemed exactly " fine " . I recall being concerned

about her development at her 12 month checkup. I mentioned she wasn't

talking at all and was told that is " not a concern " until at least the

child's second birthday. So I let it go. (Last time I do that by the way!)

I also recall being concerned when my daughter was about 9 months old that

she couldn't clap or do any imitation type play because I was babysitting a

little girl about 3 months younger who was already doing it. I just told

myself I shouldn't compare kids, that they all develop at different rates.

Too bad my concerns weren't addressed when they were first brought up at her

12 month visit. Instead, she didn't start therapy until after her 18 month

checkup when I mentioned it again. It's hard for me to figure out if her

autism could be linked to vaccines. So far, I'd have to say right now I

don't think so.

~Amy

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February 20, 2001

Yes and yes. As a matter of fact, you just made me remember something. She

ended up getting an extra hep b! She had had one at birth. Then, we moved

to SC when she was 6 weeks old. I had a heck of a time trying to prove she

had the shot at birth. I must have called the doctor's office ten times

(paying long distance each time) trying to get them to fax me the proof.

Finally, the doctor here offered to just " give her the extra shot " since we

couldn't prove she'd had the first one.

~Amy

Re: Vaccine questions

> Did she get hep b at birth? Did she receive DPT?

>

> > My autistic daughter never seemed exactly " fine "

>

February 20, 2001

I am saddened to say (and I believe this after many months of disbelief..)

that it boils down to MONEY.

Currently there is a projected 18.7 million children in the US between the

ages 0-4 years. An average vaccine retail price is about $35 - kids between

0-6 should receive approximately 36 vaccines. (Do the math.. it is a nice

number.)

In this case I really want to make a point. Here are some scenarios for you

to ponder:

1) I drive a Ford explorer. I had the " exploding " tires on my car. I have

kept the tires up with the right inflation, rotated the tires with every oil

change at 5,000 miles, and drive like a grandma. But yet they recalled 6

million tires because at the time of discovery there was 50 accidents, 12

deaths, (note, there is now 112 accidents a 20 deaths.) The preliminary

studies show that A) improper maintenance possible driver error during

extreme situtation and C) faulty tires contributed to these deaths in this

order. (Again, preliminary studies and I am sorry if I offended anyone.)

2) Depression drugs.. have never been on them, but there are 25 drugs on the

market for depression. The doctor is supposed to check vital signs, look

into your family history and verify your medical condition BEFORE you get a

prescription. Hell.. there are 12 varieties of birth control pills and the

list goes on..

FOR VACCINES.. there is one schedule for 18.7 million kids. ONE SIZE FITS

ALL... this pisses me off beyond belief. If the CDC just looked at how we

handle all drugs in the US with a clear conscience and without financial

concerns they would see that where there is smoke there is FIRE.

OK.. I am done with my rant. this one gets me... especially after the damn

ER episode.

Hugs to you all (I am just one pissed off mom right now and don't understand

why I am the ONLY ONE that sees this - besides you guys of course.)

A Jeffs mom

> Is the CDC looking into any of this? Seems like they'd want to clear this

> matter up one way or another.

>

February 20, 2001

Autism is not purely genetic--if it was then they would not have cases of

identical twins where one has autism and the other does not. I too believe

there are many roads that lead to the autism diagnosis. The synergistic

effect of many factors--genetic and environmental--got us to where we are

today. My childs combo may not have been the same as your childs.

Re: Vaccine questions

> Hi, i'm a new member. I don't think it is fair to say all autism or

> Asperger's is caused by vaccines. I believe it is usually genetic and may

> skip generations. As our society gets larger and more complex, traits of

> Asperger's that were overlooked in other generations may be more obvious

to

> us now. To me, the question of where it came from is futile and keeps me

> from taking a more proactive position in helping my son overcome his

> difficulties. Of course, this in only my opinion. I realize this issue

of

> vaccines is a very personal one. Don't write back to me if this upsets

> anyone !

>

February 20, 2001

Autism is not purely genetic--if it was then they would not have cases of

identical twins where one has autism and the other does not. I too believe

there are many roads that lead to the autism diagnosis. The synergistic

effect of many factors--genetic and environmental--got us to where we are

today. My childs combo may not have been the same as your childs.

Re: Vaccine questions

> Hi, i'm a new member. I don't think it is fair to say all autism or

> Asperger's is caused by vaccines. I believe it is usually genetic and may

> skip generations. As our society gets larger and more complex, traits of

> Asperger's that were overlooked in other generations may be more obvious

to

> us now. To me, the question of where it came from is futile and keeps me

> from taking a more proactive position in helping my son overcome his

> difficulties. Of course, this in only my opinion. I realize this issue

of

> vaccines is a very personal one. Don't write back to me if this upsets

> anyone !

>

February 20, 2001

Also, I believe it we dont seek the knowledge of the factors that got us

here, then how do we help prevent other precious children from slipping into

this disorder. Further, the knowledge I have discovered about how my son

has gotten to where he is today (tests have shown me things I would of had

no idea were occuring), has helped me to map out a plan of action to help

him achieve the healthiest state he can and reach his own highest potential.

Truly a blessing. Knowledge is power.

Re: Vaccine questions

> Hi, i'm a new member. I don't think it is fair to say all autism or

> Asperger's is caused by vaccines. I believe it is usually genetic and may

> skip generations. As our society gets larger and more complex, traits of

> Asperger's that were overlooked in other generations may be more obvious

to

> us now. To me, the question of where it came from is futile and keeps me

> from taking a more proactive position in helping my son overcome his

> difficulties. Of course, this in only my opinion. I realize this issue

of

> vaccines is a very personal one. Don't write back to me if this upsets

> anyone !

>

February 20, 2001

You make a valid point, people should always keep in mind there are different

causes & effects for all disorders. I have spoken to many who believe the

vaccinations were their child's demise (myself included), and many who believe

this was a genetic, or inherited disorder. I used to agree, " who care what

caused it " ...I just wanted to fix it, BUT after many MANY years of research, I

have learned, that in some instances you can only find the solution, when you

know what the original problem was (or come as close as you can...) Our son has

an array of issues, we believe that the vaccination was the final straw/

trigger/ catalyst....But as we attack each issue, we are closer to healing

him...We have come a LONG way, and if we didn't learn that vaccinations might

have been the cause (or definately so in his case), we would have never come

across mercury poisoning, digestive distruction, which led us to Chelation &

this diet, two of the most accomidating & helpful therapies to date...This is

not an angry letter, I am often misread, and want to prequalify this..we looked

for the " why " for the possible " how " to fix it! -Shari

chuckpopelka@... wrote:

> Hi, i'm a new member. I don't think it is fair to say all autism or

> Asperger's is caused by vaccines. I believe it is usually genetic and may

> skip generations. As our society gets larger and more complex, traits of

> Asperger's that were overlooked in other generations may be more obvious to

> us now. To me, the question of where it came from is futile and keeps me

> from taking a more proactive position in helping my son overcome his

> difficulties. Of course, this in only my opinion. I realize this issue of

> vaccines is a very personal one. Don't write back to me if this upsets

> anyone !

>

February 20, 2001

I agree with you Amy. Although vaccination raises some questions to me and I

will probably use my own schedule for them, the questions are still there. I

have 4 children. One is autistic. All have the same shots, except for my

oldest. He doesn't have the hepb. He is NT. The rest have the same and one

of them is autistic. If it is mercury, then why don't the others have the

same symptoms of autism. They all have the same father, same mother. I did

not receive any shots within 10 years of my first pregnancy and none after.

Likewise their father. I don't mean to question folks or sound like a know

it all but this has been bothering me.

Thanks for listening!

ElaineF

so, how long do you wait? My other question is--If vaccines are causing

autism, why don't all vaccinated kids have it? I hope nobody takes this the

wrong way. This is just all very confusing to me and I'm trying to

understand it. ]

>

February 20, 2001