SV: OT n - Vaccine connection

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Dear Elsie (in Texas),

>I was just curious what your thoughts (If you don't mind sharing) are regarding

the

>vaccine/autism connection. Please forgive me if I'm being intrusive. I was

wondering

>what your viewpoint might be from a parent who has done a lot of research, and

that has

>been living with autism for the length that you and your family have. Did your

son have

>vaccines?

Last question first: Yes, our son did have vaccines prior to his autistic

development. This did not, however, start very abruptly. Instead, we had a

gradual realisation over weeks or months that something undefinable had gone

wrong. His first dose of MMR vaccine was given on Nov 26 1984, and our first

serious talks about " problems " took place shortly before Christmas that year.

(At that stage, we thought that the nanny was to blame - she was not very

energetic or stimulating...).

However, when we look back, we think that we can recall a few odd details from

his first year that are probably related to the peptide problem, but that did

not, at that stage, take on any kind of significance to us.

Our wievpoints about vaccines ? We are very weary about them, not so much

because of our own research or experience, but because of Shattock's stern

warnings. knows far more about these things than we do. When he says he

is apprehensive, we become nervous, too.

We're lucky enough to have three NT children, are not going to take any risks

witht any of them. When our older daughter (now 15) was to have her third dose

of MMR vaccine, my wife (who is an MD by the way) insisted that she have an

antibody test first, to find out whether the dose was really needed. We found

out that the antibodies against measles and mumps were OK, but those against

Rubella were not, so we gave her a single rubella vaccine instead of the

combined MMR cocktail. We're going to follow the same procedure for our younger

daughter (10).

So we're not totally against vaccinations. We're more sceptical about Measles

vaccine than about the others. Our interpretation of the vaccine / autism

theories are that the problems are caused by

EITHER: The giving of vaccines to people whose antibodies are already high:

This could cause an abnormal reaction

OR: The giving of several kinds of vaccines all at once, causing a kind of

overload on the immune system

OR BOTH.

>Are there mandatory vaccines in Norway (my sweet grandmother was from Oslo by

the

>way)?

For the time being, we think that only the Tuberculosis (BCG) vaccine is

mandatory here. However, unless the parents protest, all children are

routinely vaccinated against Polio, Tetanus, Diphteria, Pertussis (DPT vaccine),

and Measles, Mumps and Rubella (MMR vaccine).

>I realize that there are many, many variables to all the things that lead our

children to this

>diagnosis, and there are kids who never had vaccines that are on the spectrum.

Just

>thinking that it seems there would be some common denominator somewhere in all

the

>jumble of genetics, crappy immune system, environmental toxins/vaccines,

virals, etc., or

>just a combination of all these things. I guess that would be the million

dollar question that

>every parent, researcher, scientist and medical professional, that has had

autism touch

>their lives in some way, is trying to answer. Anyway, just curious what you

think, and hope

>you might share your thoughts.

We think that autism is caused by several things going wrong, if not at once,

then at least together in some kind of ways. Some people have high peptide

levels without getting too lost in autistic development. Some people have

immune dysfunctions or persistent fungus infections without becoming autistic.

The genetic factors that are related to autism do not always cause autism. We

think that autistic development is probably due to one or more vicious circles:

In people who are predisposed for this disorder, it doesn't take too much to get

such vicious circles going, and once they are established, they are self

supporting and very, very difficult to get out of.

For the time being, I don't have time to scan the entire GFCFkids mailbox every

day for subjects that I'm able to help with. However, I search the mailbox for

my name every day. So, if you want to get my attention, please remember to put

my name somewhere in the message text. Don't put it in the heading, because I

only search the text.

Yours sincerely

n Klaveness

www.advimoss.no

www.advimoss.no/GFCF_results.htm