Guest guest Posted June 21, 2005 Report Share Posted June 21, 2005 Oh, one further question. Do you know if the ANT testing was done on fresh or frozen tissue? I know Cleveland does some testing on fresh and some testing on frozen from each biopsy. I just wondered which was used for ANT. Barbara _____ From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Joanne Kocourek Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 9:52 AM To: Subject: RE: ANT Dr. Hoppel (Cleveland CIDDM) did the ANT diagnosis. He was so surprised that he actually has rechecked the study at least three times. It was been a positive study each time. Dr. Wallace is the ANT expert in the US. So given the girls also have identified defects in Complex I, III and IV, I decided to discuss this atypical mix with him at the conference. (He was very approachable). He said that, from his perspective, this mix is unusual and is likely the result of severely abnormal dysfunction both within the mitochondria and across the inner mitochondrial membrane. He is positive that in my girls their base defect lies within mtDNA. Dr. Shoffner is doing an evaluation of their entire mitochondrial genone and, to date, has not identified any " known " mutations or deletions, etc. One curious comment/questions he posed was, " Your daughter's are significantly affected, aren't they? " How did he know??? Funny, they look " fine " but medically are quite compromised with major organ system involvement. Barbara Seaman wheatchild@...> wrote:Joanne, Do you know if there is any genetic connection between the two defects your daughter has? In other words, is it possible that the ANT defect is secondarily causing the deficiencies found in the respiratory chain or are there two separate mutations, one for each defect? Or has this even been defined? I ask because I also have two mitochondrial defects, though different from your daughter's. You are the only other person I can remember talking about two defects in one patient, so I am interested and curious. Do you mind sharing who did the ANT defect diagnosis? Thanks. Barbara _____ From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Joanne Kocourek Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 9:11 AM To: Subject: Re: ANT Adenine nucleotide translocators General characteristics Most abundant mitochondrial proteins Integral components of inner mitochondrial membrane Facilitate exchange of ADP and ATP between cytosol & mitochondria ohgminion rakshasis@...> wrote: Sorry, what is ANT? Thanks, RH Joanne Kocourek (mom to , lies, and ) visit us at: http://www.caringbridge.org/il/annakris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2005 Report Share Posted June 21, 2005 I believe that the ANT studies are performed after the tissue has been frozen (given Dr. Hoppel repeated the studies over a year later, some of the study was definitely done using frozen tissue). The RTC studies are completed when the sample is fresh. As for ANT genetics.... increased expression of ANT-1 and ATP synthase: subunit mRNAs have been described in patients with respiratory defects resulting from mtDNA point mutations and increased mRNAs encoding cytochrome oxidase (COX IV and COX VI) were also observed. While eukaryotic cells can respond to mitochondrial dysfunction by a modulation of nuclear gene expression, evidence for signaling pathways and transcriptional mechanisms are lacking in most instances. Several studies have also questioned mt tRNA abnormalities. I honestly believe that there can be multiple genetic reasons for a particluar abnormality or mix of abnormalities. The science is just too young for a complete body of knowledge. We are positive mtDNA is responsible in my girls we just don't know where/how. Dr. Wallace recently identified a novel homogygous mt related defect for another family (with an ANT defect and FOD), so his work is continuing. Barbara Seaman wheatchild@...> wrote: Oh, one further question. Do you know if the ANT testing was done on fresh or frozen tissue? Joanne Kocourek (mom to , lies, and ) visit us at: http://www.caringbridge.org/il/annakris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2005 Report Share Posted June 21, 2005 VLCAD too? Wow. Now that IS interesting. I have several papers on GA II. Are your daughters by any chance riboflavin-responsive? Some patients with GA II are, and my son and I are very riboflavin-responsive. Riboflavin saved my functional life 17 years ago. I have carnitine palmitoyl transferase II deficiency (CPT deficiency), a long-chain defect in fat metabolism, 10% of normal, in homozygote range. Also every other FOD enzyme we have measured (which is many) is reduced to 20-50% of normal, both in muscle and fibroblasts. Complex I, II, III, IV all fall in similar range, 20% to 50% of normal and citrate synthase in the Krebs cycle is at 30%. (Citrate synthase is a marker for mitochondrial function.) We have identified the mutation in the CPT2 gene, but not the underlying cause of all the other deficiencies, which have been labeled (for lack of a better term) " global mitochondrial defect. " Most likely cause is thought to be a defect in mitochondrial transport and I have been screened for several heat shock protein mutations (HSPs are mitochondrial chaperones) but no found mutations found so far. I always keep my eyes and ears open for any new findings that might lead to further definition and understanding of the second defect. When I have time, I will do some PubMed research and see what I can learn about ANT defects. My main question at this point would be whether they are associated with broad secondary deficiencies in many mitochondrial enzymes, or whether their biochemical effects are seen primarily in reduced ANT activity. I will see what I can learn and if it seems relevant to my case, will pursue with my doctors. Thanks again. PS Is this Dr. Kendall Wallace or Dr. Wallace? Both are on UMDF Advisory Board. Barbara _____ From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Joanne Kocourek Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 10:54 AM To: Subject: RE: ANT--- PS If you don't mind my asking, which FOD? My girls seem to have a VLCFAD (testing still in process). Dr. Cohen is also highly suspicious of GAII. Barbara Seaman wheatchild@...> wrote:Oh, this is most interesting, as I also have an FOD. I will pass on something about Dr. Wallace's work to my doctors and see how they respond. Thanks again. Much appreciated. Barbara _____ From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Joanne Kocourek Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 10:31 AM To: Subject: RE: ANT--- PS I believe that the ANT studies are performed after the tissue has been frozen (given Dr. Hoppel repeated the studies over a year later, some of the study was definitely done using frozen tissue). The RTC studies are completed when the sample is fresh. As for ANT genetics.... increased expression of ANT-1 and ATP synthase: subunit mRNAs have been described in patients with respiratory defects resulting from mtDNA point mutations and increased mRNAs encoding cytochrome oxidase (COX IV and COX VI) were also observed. While eukaryotic cells can respond to mitochondrial dysfunction by a modulation of nuclear gene expression, evidence for signaling pathways and transcriptional mechanisms are lacking in most instances. Several studies have also questioned mt tRNA abnormalities. I honestly believe that there can be multiple genetic reasons for a particluar abnormality or mix of abnormalities. The science is just too young for a complete body of knowledge. We are positive mtDNA is responsible in my girls we just don't know where/how. Dr. Wallace recently identified a novel homogygous mt related defect for another family (with an ANT defect and FOD), so his work is continuing. Barbara Seaman wheatchild@...> wrote: Oh, one further question. Do you know if the ANT testing was done on fresh or frozen tissue? Joanne Kocourek (mom to , lies, and ) visit us at: http://www.caringbridge.org/il/annakris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2005 Report Share Posted June 21, 2005 VLCAD too? Wow. Now that IS interesting. I have several papers on GA II. Are your daughters by any chance riboflavin-responsive? Some patients with GA II are, and my son and I are very riboflavin-responsive. Riboflavin saved my functional life 17 years ago. I have carnitine palmitoyl transferase II deficiency (CPT deficiency), a long-chain defect in fat metabolism, 10% of normal, in homozygote range. Also every other FOD enzyme we have measured (which is many) is reduced to 20-50% of normal, both in muscle and fibroblasts. Complex I, II, III, IV all fall in similar range, 20% to 50% of normal and citrate synthase in the Krebs cycle is at 30%. (Citrate synthase is a marker for mitochondrial function.) We have identified the mutation in the CPT2 gene, but not the underlying cause of all the other deficiencies, which have been labeled (for lack of a better term) " global mitochondrial defect. " Most likely cause is thought to be a defect in mitochondrial transport and I have been screened for several heat shock protein mutations (HSPs are mitochondrial chaperones) but no found mutations found so far. I always keep my eyes and ears open for any new findings that might lead to further definition and understanding of the second defect. When I have time, I will do some PubMed research and see what I can learn about ANT defects. My main question at this point would be whether they are associated with broad secondary deficiencies in many mitochondrial enzymes, or whether their biochemical effects are seen primarily in reduced ANT activity. I will see what I can learn and if it seems relevant to my case, will pursue with my doctors. Thanks again. PS Is this Dr. Kendall Wallace or Dr. Wallace? Both are on UMDF Advisory Board. Barbara _____ From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Joanne Kocourek Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 10:54 AM To: Subject: RE: ANT--- PS If you don't mind my asking, which FOD? My girls seem to have a VLCFAD (testing still in process). Dr. Cohen is also highly suspicious of GAII. Barbara Seaman wheatchild@...> wrote:Oh, this is most interesting, as I also have an FOD. I will pass on something about Dr. Wallace's work to my doctors and see how they respond. Thanks again. Much appreciated. Barbara _____ From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Joanne Kocourek Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 10:31 AM To: Subject: RE: ANT--- PS I believe that the ANT studies are performed after the tissue has been frozen (given Dr. Hoppel repeated the studies over a year later, some of the study was definitely done using frozen tissue). The RTC studies are completed when the sample is fresh. As for ANT genetics.... increased expression of ANT-1 and ATP synthase: subunit mRNAs have been described in patients with respiratory defects resulting from mtDNA point mutations and increased mRNAs encoding cytochrome oxidase (COX IV and COX VI) were also observed. While eukaryotic cells can respond to mitochondrial dysfunction by a modulation of nuclear gene expression, evidence for signaling pathways and transcriptional mechanisms are lacking in most instances. Several studies have also questioned mt tRNA abnormalities. I honestly believe that there can be multiple genetic reasons for a particluar abnormality or mix of abnormalities. The science is just too young for a complete body of knowledge. We are positive mtDNA is responsible in my girls we just don't know where/how. Dr. Wallace recently identified a novel homogygous mt related defect for another family (with an ANT defect and FOD), so his work is continuing. Barbara Seaman wheatchild@...> wrote: Oh, one further question. Do you know if the ANT testing was done on fresh or frozen tissue? Joanne Kocourek (mom to , lies, and ) visit us at: http://www.caringbridge.org/il/annakris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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