Guest guest Posted March 7, 2005 Report Share Posted March 7, 2005 Kim This is common. It takes a lot of energy to digest food. > > > > I just had supper (something I've had many times before), and > totally crashed afterwards. My muscles got tight, I was exhausted, > and had a terrible head ache. I feel asleep in the recliner, but > kept waking up gasping for air. My heart was palpatating too. I'm > feeling a little better, but my muscles are still tight, and I have > a couple bad cramps. > Has anyone experienced this? > (I do think I've had more carb than normal today) > Kim > > > > > > > > > > Medical advice, information, opinions, data and statements contained herein > are not necessarily those of the list moderators. The author of this e mail > is entirely responsible for its content. List members are reminded of their > responsibility to evaluate the content of the postings and consult with > their physicians regarding changes in their own treatment. > > Personal attacks are not permitted on the list and anyone who sends one is > automatically moderated or removed depending on the severity of the attack. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2005 Report Share Posted March 7, 2005 It takes a lot of energy to digest food, and if your meal was heavy on type of food that your body doesn't do well on to begin with, it could cause additional symptoms. I try to not go heavy with either carbs or proteins, but a decent mix at all meals. That is just what works best for me, but we are all different in that regard. You have to learn your own " formula " so to speak. Sometimes keeping a food log and symptoms after for a little while can give you the information you need. I hope you are feeling better now. klaga5 wrote: > >I just had supper (something I've had many times before), and >totally crashed afterwards. My muscles got tight, I was exhausted, >and had a terrible head ache. I feel asleep in the recliner, but >kept waking up gasping for air. My heart was palpatating too. I'm >feeling a little better, but my muscles are still tight, and I have >a couple bad cramps. >Has anyone experienced this? >(I do think I've had more carb than normal today) >Kim > > > > > > > > > >Medical advice, information, opinions, data and statements contained herein are not necessarily those of the list moderators. The author of this e mail is entirely responsible for its content. List members are reminded of their responsibility to evaluate the content of the postings and consult with their physicians regarding changes in their own treatment. > >Personal attacks are not permitted on the list and anyone who sends one is automatically moderated or removed depending on the severity of the attack. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2005 Report Share Posted March 7, 2005 Ya, I'm doing better. Thanks. I probably had too much carbs. I guess my system is just getting more sensitive to things. Kim > > > > >I just had supper (something I've had many times before), and > >totally crashed afterwards. My muscles got tight, I was exhausted, > >and had a terrible head ache. I feel asleep in the recliner, but > >kept waking up gasping for air. My heart was palpatating too. I'm > >feeling a little better, but my muscles are still tight, and I have > >a couple bad cramps. > >Has anyone experienced this? > >(I do think I've had more carb than normal today) > >Kim > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Medical advice, information, opinions, data and statements contained herein are not necessarily those of the list moderators. The author of this e mail is entirely responsible for its content. List members are reminded of their responsibility to evaluate the content of the postings and consult with their physicians regarding changes in their own treatment. > > > >Personal attacks are not permitted on the list and anyone who sends one is automatically moderated or removed depending on the severity of the attack. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2005 Report Share Posted March 7, 2005 Ya, I've always noticed getting a little tired after eating, but this was really bad. I'm going to have to be more careful. Kim > > > > > > > > I just had supper (something I've had many times before), and > > totally crashed afterwards. My muscles got tight, I was exhausted, > > and had a terrible head ache. I feel asleep in the recliner, but > > kept waking up gasping for air. My heart was palpatating too. I'm > > feeling a little better, but my muscles are still tight, and I have > > a couple bad cramps. > > Has anyone experienced this? > > (I do think I've had more carb than normal today) > > Kim > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Medical advice, information, opinions, data and statements contained herein > > are not necessarily those of the list moderators. The author of this e mail > > is entirely responsible for its content. List members are reminded of their > > responsibility to evaluate the content of the postings and consult with > > their physicians regarding changes in their own treatment. > > > > Personal attacks are not permitted on the list and anyone who sends one is > > automatically moderated or removed depending on the severity of the attack. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2005 Report Share Posted March 8, 2005 This happens a lot in my family - my brother generally falls asleep after eating. I am dx'd with reactive hypoglycemia, which means the body produces too much insulin in response to the sugar spike from the meal. If I eat too many carbs, I essentially pass out. It's much better if I at worst do the 40% carbs/30% protein/30% fat thing, but I'm trying for 20% carbs/40% protein/40% fat right now. Take care, RH > > > > > > > > > > > > I just had supper (something I've had many times before), and > > > totally crashed afterwards. My muscles got tight, I was > exhausted, > > > and had a terrible head ache. I feel asleep in the recliner, > but > > > kept waking up gasping for air. My heart was palpatating too. > I'm > > > feeling a little better, but my muscles are still tight, and I > have > > > a couple bad cramps. > > > Has anyone experienced this? > > > (I do think I've had more carb than normal today) > > > Kim > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Medical advice, information, opinions, data and statements > contained herein > > > are not necessarily those of the list moderators. The author of > this e mail > > > is entirely responsible for its content. List members are > reminded of their > > > responsibility to evaluate the content of the postings and > consult with > > > their physicians regarding changes in their own treatment. > > > > > > Personal attacks are not permitted on the list and anyone who > sends one is > > > automatically moderated or removed depending on the severity of > the attack. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2005 Report Share Posted March 8, 2005 Sometimes, with this condition, it requires too much energy for our bodies to digest food thus a crash can occur after eating. We seem to do better with several small meals a day rather than 3 big ones. Additionally, blood sugar issues absolutely come into play. If your BS is bouncing around - going from low to high or vice versa - it can make you very tired and of course have the need to go to sleep. We have an endocrinologist as a guest chatter on 3/21 at the MDA Chat. She's not a Mito specialist but her specialty is metabolic disorders and she's very eager to learn. I'm sure she can explain why this happens so often to us with a metabolic disorder. Alice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2005 Report Share Posted March 8, 2005 Alice, I'll try to remember that date. I've always known my blood sugar was a problem. How is hyperinsulinism diagnosed? Kim > > Sometimes, with this condition, it requires too much energy for our > bodies to digest food thus a crash can occur after eating. We seem > to do better with several small meals a day rather than 3 big ones. > Additionally, blood sugar issues absolutely come into play. If your > BS is bouncing around - going from low to high or vice versa - it > can make you very tired and of course have the need to go to sleep. > > We have an endocrinologist as a guest chatter on 3/21 at the MDA > Chat. She's not a Mito specialist but her specialty is metabolic > disorders and she's very eager to learn. I'm sure she can explain > why this happens so often to us with a metabolic disorder. > > Alice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2005 Report Share Posted March 8, 2005 ---Another reason for crashing after a meal may be autonomic nervous system dysfunction which many of us have. After a meal you can get postprandial hypotension: A decline in arterial blood pressure that occurs after a meal. In clinically stable, unmedicated elderly persons, blood pressure decreases significantly after morning and noon meals; such decreases do not occur in younger persons. In up to one third of elderly persons, blood pressure decreases >= 20 mm Hg within 75 minutes of eating a meal. The incidence of postprandial hypotension is greatest among elderly persons with hypertension or autonomic nervous system dysfunction. In one study of institutionalized elderly persons, postprandial hypotension accounted for 8% of syncopal episodes. Postprandial hypotension is thought to be due to impaired baroreflex compensation for splanchnic blood pooling during digestion. Alterations in autonomic control of heart rate and vascular resistance are probably underlying causes of this syndrome. Patients with postprandial hypotension and autonomic dysfunction have impaired forearm vasoconstriction, reduced systemic vascular resistance, and abnormal sympathetic nervous system control of heart rate after a meal. Blood pressure should be measured once before meals and again at 30 and 60 minutes after meals in elderly patients who have postprandial dizziness, falls, syncope, or other cerebral or cardiac ischemic symptoms. Treatment Symptomatic patients should not take hypotensive drugs before meals and should lie down after meals. Reducing the dose of hypotensive drugs and eating small, frequent meals may also help. Walking after a meal helps restore normal circulation in some patients; however, hypotension may recur when the activity is stopped. Low doses of a nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drug, caffeine 200 to 250 mg with or without dihydroergotamine 6 to 10 µg/kg sc, or octreotide 12 to 16 µg sc before a meal may help. Caffeine should be taken only in the morning so that the effect wears off by evening, allowing sleep and preventing drug tolerance. In , " klaga5 " wrote: > > > I just had supper (something I've had many times before), and > totally crashed afterwards. My muscles got tight, I was exhausted, > and had a terrible head ache. I feel asleep in the recliner, but > kept waking up gasping for air. My heart was palpatating too. I'm > feeling a little better, but my muscles are still tight, and I have > a couple bad cramps. > Has anyone experienced this? > (I do think I've had more carb than normal today) > Kim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2005 Report Share Posted March 8, 2005 > Low doses of a nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drug, caffeine 200 to > 250 mg with or without dihydroergotamine 6 to 10 µg/kg sc, or > octreotide 12 to 16 µg sc before a meal may help. This is interesting, I just gave up drinking most caffeine. Maybe it was helping me with something. I certainly wouldn't mind an excuse to have to have it. I do like my diet coke. Kim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2005 Report Share Posted March 8, 2005 I believe it is diagnosed with a glucose tolerance test. This is a good question for the endocrinologist though. Alice > > > Alice, > I'll try to remember that date. I've always known my blood sugar > was a problem. > How is hyperinsulinism diagnosed? > Kim > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2005 Report Share Posted March 9, 2005 Yes, mine was diagnosed with a GTT. However, they must measure insulin throughout and track the insulin curve along with glucose curve. This is not routine. B _____ From: Alice Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 6:26 PM To: Subject: Re: crash after meal I believe it is diagnosed with a glucose tolerance test. This is a good question for the endocrinologist though. Alice > > > Alice, > I'll try to remember that date. I've always known my blood sugar > was a problem. > How is hyperinsulinism diagnosed? > Kim > Medical advice, information, opinions, data and statements contained herein are not necessarily those of the list moderators. The author of this e mail is entirely responsible for its content. List members are reminded of their responsibility to evaluate the content of the postings and consult with their physicians regarding changes in their own treatment. Personal attacks are not permitted on the list and anyone who sends one is automatically moderated or removed depending on the severity of the attack. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2005 Report Share Posted March 9, 2005 Thanks Barbara, That's what I thought. I've had the glucose tollerance test, but it didn't test for insulin. If the test shows the problem, is there anything that can be done, or do you just make dietary adjustments? Kim > Yes, mine was diagnosed with a GTT. However, they must measure insulin > throughout and track the insulin curve along with glucose curve. This is not > routine. > > > > B > > > > _____ > > From: Alice [mailto:justagram14@c...] > Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 6:26 PM > To: > Subject: Re: crash after meal > > > > > I believe it is diagnosed with a glucose tolerance test. This is a > good question for the endocrinologist though. > > Alice > > > > > > > > Alice, > > I'll try to remember that date. I've always known my blood sugar > > was a problem. > > How is hyperinsulinism diagnosed? > > Kim > > > > > > > > > Medical advice, information, opinions, data and statements contained herein > are not necessarily those of the list moderators. The author of this e mail > is entirely responsible for its content. List members are reminded of their > responsibility to evaluate the content of the postings and consult with > their physicians regarding changes in their own treatment. > > Personal attacks are not permitted on the list and anyone who sends one is > automatically moderated or removed depending on the severity of the attack. > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2005 Report Share Posted March 9, 2005 Kim, It's usually dietary adjustments. Reduce carbs, especially sweets or foods high on the glycemic index. Eat carbs along with significant protein or fat or fiber to slow down absorption. The faster the absorption, the greater the spurt of insulin. Eat very slowly. This also helps reduce the insulin response. Dr. Haas also suggested using uncooked cornstarch mixed in food or liquid at bedtime to get through the night, as it is the slowest absorbed carb. However my gut could not tolerate it. In my case, the insulin diet is a catch 22 since one of my disorders, CPT def, requires a high carb diet. Go figure.. B _____ From: klaga5 Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 8:33 AM To: Subject: Re: crash after meal Thanks Barbara, That's what I thought. I've had the glucose tollerance test, but it didn't test for insulin. If the test shows the problem, is there anything that can be done, or do you just make dietary adjustments? Kim > Yes, mine was diagnosed with a GTT. However, they must measure insulin > throughout and track the insulin curve along with glucose curve. This is not > routine. > > > > B > > > > _____ > > From: Alice [mailto:justagram14@c...] > Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 6:26 PM > To: > Subject: Re: crash after meal > > > > > I believe it is diagnosed with a glucose tolerance test. This is a > good question for the endocrinologist though. > > Alice > > > > > > > > Alice, > > I'll try to remember that date. I've always known my blood sugar > > was a problem. > > How is hyperinsulinism diagnosed? > > Kim > > > > > > > > > Medical advice, information, opinions, data and statements contained herein > are not necessarily those of the list moderators. The author of this e mail > is entirely responsible for its content. List members are reminded of their > responsibility to evaluate the content of the postings and consult with > their physicians regarding changes in their own treatment. > > Personal attacks are not permitted on the list and anyone who sends one is > automatically moderated or removed depending on the severity of the attack. > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2005 Report Share Posted March 9, 2005 Barbara, Thanks, I didn't know that eating carbs with protein slows absorption, so that helps. The thought of putting cornstarch in things doesn't sound appatizing, but I'll give it a try. I wonder if balancing out the insulin production helps with weight loss. Kim > > Yes, mine was diagnosed with a GTT. However, they must measure > insulin > > throughout and track the insulin curve along with glucose curve. > This is not > > routine. > > > > > > > > B > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > From: Alice [mailto:justagram14@c...] > > Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 6:26 PM > > To: > > Subject: Re: crash after meal > > > > > > > > > > I believe it is diagnosed with a glucose tolerance test. This is a > > good question for the endocrinologist though. > > > > Alice > > > > > > > > > > > > > Alice, > > > I'll try to remember that date. I've always known my blood > sugar > > > was a problem. > > > How is hyperinsulinism diagnosed? > > > Kim > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Medical advice, information, opinions, data and statements > contained herein > > are not necessarily those of the list moderators. The author of > this e mail > > is entirely responsible for its content. List members are reminded > of their > > responsibility to evaluate the content of the postings and consult > with > > their physicians regarding changes in their own treatment. > > > > Personal attacks are not permitted on the list and anyone who > sends one is > > automatically moderated or removed depending on the severity of > the attack. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2005 Report Share Posted March 9, 2005 Kim, I don't know about weight loss and insulin. It might help to get insulin under control. Several years back I did a lot of reading about the effects of excess insulin, but I have forgotten a lot of it. Seems like I remember that insulin might encourage the storage of fat as opposed to oxidizing it, but not sure. B _____ From: klaga5 Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 9:21 AM To: Subject: Re: crash after meal Barbara, Thanks, I didn't know that eating carbs with protein slows absorption, so that helps. The thought of putting cornstarch in things doesn't sound appatizing, but I'll give it a try. I wonder if balancing out the insulin production helps with weight loss. Kim > > Yes, mine was diagnosed with a GTT. However, they must measure > insulin > > throughout and track the insulin curve along with glucose curve. > This is not > > routine. > > > > > > > > B > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > From: Alice [mailto:justagram14@c...] > > Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 6:26 PM > > To: > > Subject: Re: crash after meal > > > > > > > > > > I believe it is diagnosed with a glucose tolerance test. This is a > > good question for the endocrinologist though. > > > > Alice > > > > > > > > > > > > > Alice, > > > I'll try to remember that date. I've always known my blood > sugar > > > was a problem. > > > How is hyperinsulinism diagnosed? > > > Kim > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Medical advice, information, opinions, data and statements > contained herein > > are not necessarily those of the list moderators. The author of > this e mail > > is entirely responsible for its content. List members are reminded > of their > > responsibility to evaluate the content of the postings and consult > with > > their physicians regarding changes in their own treatment. > > > > Personal attacks are not permitted on the list and anyone who > sends one is > > automatically moderated or removed depending on the severity of > the attack. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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