Re: OT: Fall-Winter regressions, zinc

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April,

Funny you should mention fall winter regressions as my son is doing ok

now, but come May he has a regression every year when the leaves come out

and the trees and pollen.

Phyllis

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My son now 7 has regressed every year in Oct. Looking back on notes I always

seem to be going nuts and calling the Dr. to try a medication for behavior at

that time. Then only helped temporarily. I usually stop them. I wonder if

it is mold in my house? We live in an old house with old old windows that

will produce condensation which leads to mildew and mold. Just a thought.

He seems to do best late spring until Sept. Cathy

[Guest guest]

Hi April and Everyone,

thank goodness, I'm back here with my own real email! I screwed up

twice and yahoo kicked me out--it feels so good to be back. Those

minor victories seem so sweet, especially when the major ones are

elusive.

My 6-year-old is in the throes of his own usual winter downturn (it

has happened EVERY YEAR to some extent or another.) I was feeling

pretty good about this year, which has been better, till this week and

now I'm going CRAZY. As I said in another post about hand flapping,

I've taken all kinds of stuff out of the diet (since early Dec.)

including soy, corn, eggs, peanuts, beef, all fruits except pears,

sugar, all the gums and other " gunk, " and lots more minor stuff I

won't go into detail about. I'm trying to use rice only twice a week

because I think it's a problem, too. I really think he digests these

things in the summer. At the moment the diet is not " working " --he's

worse than ever. We're at 5 1/2 months and it's been 2 months since we

took the other stuff out. His hypoglycemia is pretty bad at the

moment, making things even crazier. We HAVE used zinc quite a bit this

winter, but not for the last couple weeks, so as soon as I'm off work

I'm going to rush right home and give him some. Thanks for the info!

And I love your Winston Churchill quote--I'll try to do just that!

Oh yes, and I DID have a very good multi-mineral supplement when I was

pregnant, but maybe it would be worse if I hadn't.

Betty, mom to , Larkin and Ian

- In GFCFKids@y..., Apryll9087@a... wrote:

> Hi Everyone,

> I have been doing alot of research on fall-winter regressions, as my

son has

> a serious regression in potty training, behavior and just general

well-being

> every fall. This has happened for 3 years in the fall now.

>

> I stumbled across the following in the book " Prescription for

Nutritional

> Healing " , I know it is about schizophrenia, but still made me

think:

>

> " Some research has linked prenatal zinc deficiency to the

development

> of

> schizophrenia later in life, and the presence of high copper

levels

> in people with schizophrenia would seem to support this

theory. Zinc

> is an important factor in determining birth

> weight......................Evidence indicates that male

babies are

> particularly susceptible to gestational zinc deficiencies. Other

clues

> come from the seasonality of the disorder. The incidence of

> schizophrenic episodes tends to peak in cold-weather months, when

zinc

> intake tends to be lower. "

>

> So my question is, does anyone whose kids have a fall/winter

regression note

> any improvements with zinc?

>

> and also, for those of you that have done testing, did anyone come

up with

> high copper?

> I am really interested in this, my son was fairly low birth-weight

as well

> (5lbs, 15 oz at full term).

> Thanks to anyone that can help!

>

> April (in mass)

> Success is the ability to go from one failure to another

> with no loss of enthusiasm.

>

> Winston Churchill

[Guest guest]

--to all,

First of all, this is a great list. When we first started to work

with my son after being diagnosed in the SUMMER he made oodles of

progress,(modified ABA at home). It seemed as it came oct or nov, he

started to plateau. The warm weather came(april) language burst.

Then came the pollen, regression, terrible allergies, ear infections,

antibiotics, more regression. Summer comes, does great again. The

following year, sick all year until the summer. Next year regressed

language, march comes-language and eye contact improves. Wont go

on. Any articles on this, or is it the same as seasonal affective

disorder only in relation to autism.

- In GFCFKids@y..., pmrskizner@j... wrote:

> April,

> Funny you should mention fall winter regressions as my son is

doing ok

> now, but come May he has a regression every year when the leaves

come out

> and the trees and pollen.

> Phyllis

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Interesting! My son was 5lbs. 11oz. full term (I did everything I was

supposed to when pregnant---I even checked off foods eaten daily to make

sure I ate all the things I needed to), I gained almost 40 lbs., but still

he was tiny! And, I had him tested by an allergist when he was 4yo, and his

copper was high (not terribly) and his zinc was low. Not sure what it all

means.

M.

OT: Fall-Winter regressions, zinc

> Hi Everyone,

> I have been doing alot of research on fall-winter regressions, as my son

has

> a serious regression in potty training, behavior and just general

well-being

> every fall. This has happened for 3 years in the fall now.

>

> I stumbled across the following in the book " Prescription for Nutritional

> Healing " , I know it is about schizophrenia, but still made me think:

>

> " Some research has linked prenatal zinc deficiency to the

development

> of

> schizophrenia later in life, and the presence of high copper

levels

> in people with schizophrenia would seem to support this theory.

Zinc

> is an important factor in determining birth

> weight......................Evidence indicates that male babies are

> particularly susceptible to gestational zinc deficiencies. Other

clues

> come from the seasonality of the disorder. The incidence of

> schizophrenic episodes tends to peak in cold-weather months, when zinc

> intake tends to be lower. "

>

> So my question is, does anyone whose kids have a fall/winter regression

note

> any improvements with zinc?

>

> and also, for those of you that have done testing, did anyone come up with

> high copper?

> I am really interested in this, my son was fairly low birth-weight as

well

> (5lbs, 15 oz at full term).

> Thanks to anyone that can help!

>

> April (in mass)

[Guest guest]

Interesting! My son was 5lbs. 11oz. full term (I did everything I was

supposed to when pregnant---I even checked off foods eaten daily to make

sure I ate all the things I needed to), I gained almost 40 lbs., but still

he was tiny! And, I had him tested by an allergist when he was 4yo, and his

copper was high (not terribly) and his zinc was low. Not sure what it all

means.

M.

OT: Fall-Winter regressions, zinc

> Hi Everyone,

> I have been doing alot of research on fall-winter regressions, as my son

has

> a serious regression in potty training, behavior and just general

well-being

> every fall. This has happened for 3 years in the fall now.

>

> I stumbled across the following in the book " Prescription for Nutritional

> Healing " , I know it is about schizophrenia, but still made me think:

>

> " Some research has linked prenatal zinc deficiency to the

development

> of

> schizophrenia later in life, and the presence of high copper

levels

> in people with schizophrenia would seem to support this theory.

Zinc

> is an important factor in determining birth

> weight......................Evidence indicates that male babies are

> particularly susceptible to gestational zinc deficiencies. Other

clues

> come from the seasonality of the disorder. The incidence of

> schizophrenic episodes tends to peak in cold-weather months, when zinc

> intake tends to be lower. "

>

> So my question is, does anyone whose kids have a fall/winter regression

note

> any improvements with zinc?

>

> and also, for those of you that have done testing, did anyone come up with

> high copper?

> I am really interested in this, my son was fairly low birth-weight as

well

> (5lbs, 15 oz at full term).

> Thanks to anyone that can help!

>

> April (in mass)

[Guest guest]

I'm wondering if the winter regressions could be due to molds (at least in

part)? We lived in FL for four years (humid and moldy all year long) and my

son did very poorly there. Failure to thrive; very moody, etc. We moved to

SoCal and he has gained15 lbs. and overall is happier. I notice on rainy

days he is depressed and has difficulty concentrating and behaving well.

Just a thought.

M.

[Guest guest]

I'm wondering if the winter regressions could be due to molds (at least in

part)? We lived in FL for four years (humid and moldy all year long) and my

son did very poorly there. Failure to thrive; very moody, etc. We moved to

SoCal and he has gained15 lbs. and overall is happier. I notice on rainy

days he is depressed and has difficulty concentrating and behaving well.

Just a thought.

M.

[Guest guest]

Hi Phyllis,

The pollen was my first thought on this too. My son's regression starts in

late August, so I was sure it was Ragweed or something, or maybe mold,

because he does have a mini regression in the early spring. He ended up only

testing positive to dust, though, so I was kind of surprised. His allergist

seems to think he is more allergic to stuff in the house, vs stuff outside.

Hence we have torn out all our rugs, bought an air purifyer, etc. This stuff

seemed to make some difference, but not much.

April (in mass)

Success is the ability to go from one failure to another

with no loss of enthusiasm.

Winston Churchill

[Guest guest]

Hi Phyllis,

The pollen was my first thought on this too. My son's regression starts in

late August, so I was sure it was Ragweed or something, or maybe mold,

because he does have a mini regression in the early spring. He ended up only

testing positive to dust, though, so I was kind of surprised. His allergist

seems to think he is more allergic to stuff in the house, vs stuff outside.

Hence we have torn out all our rugs, bought an air purifyer, etc. This stuff

seemed to make some difference, but not much.

April (in mass)

Success is the ability to go from one failure to another

with no loss of enthusiasm.

Winston Churchill

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 02/06/2001 7:13:05 PM Eastern Standard Time,

lauramoya@... writes:

<< I'm wondering if the winter regressions could be due to molds (at least in

part)? We lived in FL for four years (humid and moldy all year long) and my

son did very poorly there. Failure to thrive; very moody, etc. We moved to

SoCal and he has gained15 lbs. and overall is happier. I notice on rainy

days he is depressed and has difficulty concentrating and behaving well.

Just a thought.

M.

>>

I was thinking of that too, and ripped out all my rugs, took down curtains,

threw out his mattress,bought an air purifyer, and then we got the skin test

that said he wasn't allergic to mold. He is allergic to dust though, so it

wasn't all for nothing :-P I'm still not completely convinced about the

mold, we live in a very woodsy area with alot of shade, and dampness. I

wonder if he could have an allergy to mold that a skin test would miss.

hmmmmm

April (in mass)

Success is the ability to go from one failure to another

with no loss of enthusiasm.

Winston Churchill

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 02/06/2001 6:47:59 PM Eastern Standard Time,

lauramoya@... writes:

<< Interesting! My son was 5lbs. 11oz. full term (I did everything I was

supposed to when pregnant---I even checked off foods eaten daily to make

sure I ate all the things I needed to), I gained almost 40 lbs., but still

he was tiny! And, I had him tested by an allergist when he was 4yo, and his

copper was high (not terribly) and his zinc was low. Not sure what it all

means.

M. >>

I had the same problem, and I was really careful with what I ate, and took my

vitamins, etc. I just found out another thing though, which might have

contributed in my case. I read that birth control pills are very high in

copper, and cause an imbalance. I took them for 5 yrs, then stopped and had

my son 2 yrs later. Maybe my system never recovered.

April (in mass)

Success is the ability to go from one failure to another

with no loss of enthusiasm.

Winston Churchill

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 02/04/2001 7:20:42 PM Eastern Standard Time,

renee1dat@... writes:

<< We have treated this year with inflazyme, from the HFS,

and occasionally clariton redi-tab if absolutely necessary. We did not see

the extreme regression this year! So for us, even though several Dr.'s had

said it was S.A.D. it was just allergies.

>>

Thanks, that is at least a little hope that maybe it can get better! I would

like to look for that inflazyme, could you tell me the name of the company

that makes it?

Thanks!

April (in mass)

Success is the ability to go from one failure to another

with no loss of enthusiasm.

Winston Churchill

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 02/04/2001 6:14:30 PM Eastern Standard Time, SCZMS@...

writes:

<< I wonder if

it is mold in my house? We live in an old house with old old windows that

will produce condensation which leads to mildew and mold. Just a thought.

He seems to do best late spring until Sept. Cathy >>

Same here, I think whatever it is, it has something to do with my house.

Either it is too dark, to moldy, or just not enough air circulation in the

winter, I'm not sure.

April (in mass)

Success is the ability to go from one failure to another

with no loss of enthusiasm.

Winston Churchill

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 02/04/2001 6:14:30 PM Eastern Standard Time, SCZMS@...

writes:

<< I wonder if

it is mold in my house? We live in an old house with old old windows that

will produce condensation which leads to mildew and mold. Just a thought.

He seems to do best late spring until Sept. Cathy >>

Same here, I think whatever it is, it has something to do with my house.

Either it is too dark, to moldy, or just not enough air circulation in the

winter, I'm not sure.

April (in mass)

Success is the ability to go from one failure to another

with no loss of enthusiasm.

Winston Churchill

[Guest guest]

Thanks , I'll look for it! :-)

April (in mass)

Success is the ability to go from one failure to another

with no loss of enthusiasm.

Winston Churchill

[Guest guest]

I believe claritin reditabs have lactose in them. You may want to double

check that. Last year they did when i checked.

laura m.

> > and occasionally clariton redi-tab if absolutely necessary.

[Guest guest]

The claritin that dissolves instantly in the mouth does not have lactose

in it. I have checked this many times as has my allergist. The regular

claritin tablet do have it.

Phyllis

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