Organic Acid Test

[Guest guest]

Hello everyone,

In review all the information on how to proceed with tests, diets,

etc, most information is telling me that I should take care of yeast

overgrowth first, then, if necessary to convert to a GFCF diet. I've

already taken my son off of casein, which is fairly easy but I have a

few questions that I hope everyone will be able to help me out with.

My first question is:

1. Did most of you get the Organic Acid Test done first? If so, is

it best to do just the OAT or should I get the OAT + Yeast C&S Combo

test? I remember reading in Dr. Shaw's book that he recommends

getting the Yeast sensitivity test along with the OAT because then

you will know what medicine will work best.

Second question is:

2. I'm considering seeing a DAN! doctor (there's one about 25

minutes from my house) rather than trying to educate my doctor about

everything. I think I will intially try to get my son's primary

doctor to sign off on the OAT so that if he does need anti-fungal

medicine, there's a possiblity that my insurance will pay for it.

If my son does have yeast overgrowth, it appears that the anti-yeast

diet will be tough in regards to eliminating sugar (my son can not

get enough fruit)! What is the best resources for receipes to

cook/bake an anti-yeast diet?

Lastly, my husband and I decided to go out to dinner tonight (Mexican

food) and I took along some of my son's food (GFCF). Everything was

going well...I had the waiter bring a plate so that I could service

his food on a plate like ours. He was happily eating along until he

noticed that his rice (white) was not like ours (mexican rice).

Right away he wanted some of ours and I refused to give him any. At

the last minute my husband says " Oh, a littles not going to kill

him....! " I was upset to say the least. We're definetly not 100%

GFCF, but I'm trying to work on it. I have not fully explained to my

husband that even a small amount of gluten can be harmful. The

evening did not end very well to say the least. I have to somehow

convince my husband of the importance of how strict you need to

be...This wlll be a challenge since he is the one that stays at home

with our son to run an ABA program during the day. Ugh! I think I

need to tackle one thing at a time....maybe yeast then gluten. What

does everyone think? Thank God for this group!

Cheers!

Debbie

[Guest guest]

Debbie, I think since your husband is the one who is home doing the ABA

program that you need to convince him first of the importance of the diet.

" unraveling the Mystery of Autism and Pervasive Developmental Disorder, A

mother's Story of Research & Recovery " by Karyn Seroussi and " Biological

Treatments for Autism and PDD " by Shaw Ph.D. Those are not the only

books but they do explain the why of the diet and how important it is.

Karyn's book is especially important since they have recovered their son

with their program. They also did the ABA but she says that the diet helped

her son with the ABA.

I did not do any tests except for taking Evan off casein and gluten. That

was the only test that we needed to see that the diet would be good for him.

The improvement is seen by his school, Sunday school, family and neighbors.

If you have not taken him off the gluten, perhaps the Mexican rice would not

have hurt him that much unless it had casein in it. But your husband needs

to understand the problems of 'a little won't hurt' when your son gets

completely gfcf.

Betty

[Guest guest]

Since everyone else is focusing on your last question, I'll try to

address the first 2. We did the OAT combo and found it worthwhile.

It's exactly as you stated, the OAT tells you what sort of problems

your child has, and if there is an overgrowth of yeast, the stool

culture tests which treatments the yeast is sensitive to. As to how

to proceed and what to feed your child, well, those are questions

most of us ask ourselves every day. From my experience, most people

eliminate gluten prior to treating with yeast. I think it usually

follows because after seeing a positive effect with casein

elimination, they move onto gluten. When they get the hang of that,

yeast treatment comes next. Gluten elimination is actually the third

stage of the 4-stage anti-yeast diet, so you may need to get there to

treat your child's yeast problem anyway. I guess I don't know of any

compelling reason to do one before the other. Yes, fruit will need

to be minimized. It's been hard on my son, too, who was accustomed

to having fruit with nearly every meal. I made sure I had 2 low-

sugar muffin recipes that he enjoyed before I took away the fruit.

Feast Without Yeast is the name of one cookbook for the anti-yeast

diet. Just be aware that many of the recipes are not GFCF.

As for your husband, it may help to point out that there are over 10

to the 20th power (10 with 20 zeros) molecules in each gram of gluten

or casein. Each individual protein molecule that gets broken down

into the peptide and passes into the bloodstream is capable of

binding to a receptor site in the brain. Maybe this will help him

see that even a fraction of a gram is capable of doing a lot of

damage.