Guest guest Posted January 12, 2005 Report Share Posted January 12, 2005 See below L. Frick, MD Residency Program Director Dept. of Orthopaedic Surgery Carolinas Medical Center Re: 3 yo clubfoot patient Hello Steve: Regarding Grace Booth. The lateral x-ray of the right looks OK but the left is lacking DF. Is this a true stress x-ray? I think it would be worth repeating the film with MD supervision to insure that it was made with a DF stress. You are describing a patient with a weak push off, and in this case, I would be loath to lengthen the Achilles again. If the stress film shows true lack of DF, then I would consider two options: Gradual distraction with Ilizarov or TSF versus posterior release and capsulotomy. If I did the capsulotomy, I would keep her in cast for a minimum amount of time to avoid getting stiff.(3-4 weeks only). The ilizarov treatment might appeal to the internet parent who is open surgery phobic....Ilizarov is a " Super cast " .. Hope this is helpful. Herzenberg, MD >>> " Frick, " .Frick@...> 12/1/2004 10:03:03 AM >>> Dear Dr Ponseti, and - hope you are well and enjoying the holiday season. I met Grace Boothe yesterday, who is now about 3 and a half years old. She has bilat clubfoot, initially treated with below knee casts in army system for 5 months, then by in Chapel Hill with a few casts and right tenotomy, then by Dr Ponseti with casts and bilateral tenotomies. She was in orthotic full time but then was cut back because of concerns about ligamentous laxity and overcorrection. She had a few followup visits with Herzenberg around age 2, and mom says she was worried then about the heels not being down but she said she was given assurance that it was ok and would not be a problem. She has had delayed milestones and is very short for her age- seems to be barrel chested to me with disproportionately large head and I wonder if she might have mild SED congenita- work up beginning now. Her feet show bilateral rocker bottom deformity, right worse than left, with empty heel pads and abnormal contour of the heel. She walks with a stiff knee gait, wide abduction of limbs, and with midfoot and forefoot contact but no heel contact with the ground. She cannot run or jump. I have attached copies of xrays of her feet. I would appreciate (and her parents would also) your thoughts/ comments about her feet and what to do now. My thoughts are that in some cases where children have ligamentous laxity, the midfoot/forefoot ligaments give way during casting before the tighter hindfoot ligaments and rocker bottom develops. I have observed a few of these children after emailing Dr Ponseti, and some have improved after beginning to walk, with the heel dropping down into the heel pad and ankle dorsiflexion improving (rather than only dorsifelxing through the midfoot). In a few cases, the rockerbottom did not improve after a few months of walking, and I have done limited posterior tibiotalar and talocalcaneal arthrotomies with very little to no addition lengthening of the Achilles. These few cases seem to be doing ok, and maybe have retained some motion at the ankle/ST joint because of their global propensity for laxity. Should I proceed with posterior arthrotomy in Grace? Right side only or both? Can we work on providing Ponseti method practitioners with some guidelines for when (if ever) you believe it is appropriate to proceed with surgery? The group (esp Internet parents) are so set against any surgery that it is often difficult to even discuss with them. In addition, there is a current " rage " of concern about 'whether or not my child has an atypical clubfoot " . I think of the atypical foot as the ones that are short, broad and have plantaris instead of only first ray cavus. Any thoughts/ideas appreciated. Thanks. Steve L. 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Guest guest Posted January 12, 2005 Report Share Posted January 12, 2005 At 09:48 AM 1/12/2005, you wrote: > The >ilizarov treatment might appeal to the internet parent who is open >surgery phobic....Ilizarov is a " Super cast " .. That has rods poked into the child's foot and leg... ugh! I don't understand this statement at all. I know it can work but jeez... like one is *that* much better than the other. I would want to know why and how and how long the Ilizarov device (it's not a cast, it's a huge metal thing with metal rings around the leg and foot with rods poking into the leg and foot and you adjust it to correct the CF, or something like that - their are pictures online, search *Ilizarov*) would be used as opposed to the capsulectomy (sp? is it an *ectomy?) which he says would be a 3-4w cast. What are they going to do in the ankle capsule and why? What does the Ilizarov device do instead and how is that better? I'm also kinda weirded out about the reference to the *internet parent who is open surgery phobic*. What does that say for us and how are we different than any other parent who doesn't want surgery? More informed about it I'm sure but why the distinction of an internet parent? hummm... Kori Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2005 Report Share Posted January 12, 2005 One person I know likened the internet to a big bathroom wall, full of graffiti. This was years ago, but the same holds true today. Some stuff just isn't that accurate. The doctor was probably referring to that tendency. Re: letter between Dr H. and Dr Frick At 09:48 AM 1/12/2005, you wrote: > The >ilizarov treatment might appeal to the internet parent who is open >surgery phobic....Ilizarov is a " Super cast " .. That has rods poked into the child's foot and leg... ugh! I don't understand this statement at all. I know it can work but jeez... like one is *that* much better than the other. I would want to know why and how and how long the Ilizarov device (it's not a cast, it's a huge metal thing with metal rings around the leg and foot with rods poking into the leg and foot and you adjust it to correct the CF, or something like that - their are pictures online, search *Ilizarov*) would be used as opposed to the capsulectomy (sp? is it an *ectomy?) which he says would be a 3-4w cast. What are they going to do in the ankle capsule and why? What does the Ilizarov device do instead and how is that better? I'm also kinda weirded out about the reference to the *internet parent who is open surgery phobic*. What does that say for us and how are we different than any other parent who doesn't want surgery? More informed about it I'm sure but why the distinction of an internet parent? hummm... Kori Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2005 Report Share Posted January 12, 2005 One person I know likened the internet to a big bathroom wall, full of graffiti. This was years ago, but the same holds true today. Some stuff just isn't that accurate. The doctor was probably referring to that tendency. Re: letter between Dr H. and Dr Frick At 09:48 AM 1/12/2005, you wrote: > The >ilizarov treatment might appeal to the internet parent who is open >surgery phobic....Ilizarov is a " Super cast " .. That has rods poked into the child's foot and leg... ugh! I don't understand this statement at all. I know it can work but jeez... like one is *that* much better than the other. I would want to know why and how and how long the Ilizarov device (it's not a cast, it's a huge metal thing with metal rings around the leg and foot with rods poking into the leg and foot and you adjust it to correct the CF, or something like that - their are pictures online, search *Ilizarov*) would be used as opposed to the capsulectomy (sp? is it an *ectomy?) which he says would be a 3-4w cast. What are they going to do in the ankle capsule and why? What does the Ilizarov device do instead and how is that better? I'm also kinda weirded out about the reference to the *internet parent who is open surgery phobic*. What does that say for us and how are we different than any other parent who doesn't want surgery? More informed about it I'm sure but why the distinction of an internet parent? hummm... Kori Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2005 Report Share Posted January 12, 2005 Wow. There are several hot emotions about this topic. I think I may have missed some posts on the topic (thanks Yahoo). I understand that you are really frustrated about Grace's feet. You are confused about which doctor to listen to and how to proceed with treatment. Afraid of making the wrong choice....so many emotions. Understandably so. I would probably be pulling my hair out right now and I completely empathize with you. I am sorry you are going through this. It must be extremely stressful. All that said, I feel I must stick up for Dr. Frick. His letter may have come across wrong or been taken wrong. I didn't find it offensive, but maybe that's because we have been seeing him without any problems (other than his sorry, rude receptionists). I don't think he intended to insult any one. Phobia is the fear of something..I believe that every parent here is afraid of surgery. It carries a horrible stigma of lifelong difficulty, weakness and pain. " Especially the internet parents " ...seeing that our group is called Nosurgery4clubfoot...I can see how he came to that conclusion. and I do believe that most members (if not all) see surgery as a very negative thing that is to be avoided if at all possible. Of course we are alot less open to the idea of surgery than a good percentage of other parents out there, we are educated and we believe that surgery is avoidable for the most part. Dr. Frick is a wonderful doctor. He is highly knowledgable about Ponseti's method. I believe that it's wonderful that he took the time to consult the other doctors. Many, many, many doctors would just say, " surgery's the answer, when shall I schedule it? " Dr. Frick does care, and I believe he does his best to avoid surgery if possible. It is definently a last choice for him. If he said Kaitlin needed surgery, I would be saddened, possibly email Dr. Ponseti (if Dr. Frick didn't do it himself), question this group and then disapointingly schedule it. Dr. Frick has told me that this group is a good thing for us to have. I have discussed this group with him on several occasions during our visits. He knows that I would not have found him if it wasn't for this group. Once again, I am sorry about Grace's foot. I do think the Dr. Frick is competent and that it is honorable that he consulted the other doctors, including Dr. Ponseti about it. I don't think he is just casting to appease you...I think he optomistically hopes it will work, but realisticly doubts it will. His own child has clubfoot, so I am sure he understands your desire to take the least invasive and least traumatic route possible and that is why he is willing to try casting first. Even if it is to appease you, it may be that he wants you to be guiltlessly support surgery, knowing that you tried all other avenues first. He has been in our shoes...not many doctors have. He really does care and I respect and trust him 1000%. Freeman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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