Re: Calcium supplements and teenage girls

January 11, 2005

Hi ,

I am not sure about the calcium but I thought I heard that vitiamin E helps

leg cramps. Also does anyone know where I can find the article on the importance

of hydration that I believe that Dr. Cohen wrote thanks good luck .

Hugs,

Donna K

---- dgregori@...> wrote:

>

> Hi,

>

> Does anyone have a teenage girl that they give calcium supplements to?

> My 15 year old daughter has been having horrible leg cramps and she

> takes almost as much Q-Gel as I do and as much Carnitor. I can't get

> her into the docs right now, but I was wondering about Calcium.

>

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January 11, 2005

Hi,

My daughter, age 30 has been taking 1200 mg of calcium since age 15.

She is allergic to dairy products on top of everything else. She also

takes Carnitor and CoQ10. She also has the unusual problem of

osteoporses in her feet only.

Shelby

>

> Hi,

>

> Does anyone have a teenage girl that they give calcium supplements to?

> My 15 year old daughter has been having horrible leg cramps and she

> takes almost as much Q-Gel as I do and as much Carnitor. I can't get

> her into the docs right now, but I was wondering about Calcium.

>

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January 11, 2005

Also think about magnesium. I do better with this than calcium.

sis

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> Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 17:33:55 -0800

> To:

> Subject: Calcium supplements and teenage girls

>

> Hi,

>

> Does anyone have a teenage girl that they give calcium supplements to?

> My 15 year old daughter has been having horrible leg cramps and she

> takes almost as much Q-Gel as I do and as much Carnitor. I can't get

> her into the docs right now, but I was wondering about Calcium.

>

> Medical advice, information, opinions, data and statements contained herein

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January 11, 2005

Hi all I don't post often but do read all your postings. I actually believe

it's potasium that helps with leg cramps. If there is a shift from the muscle

it happens.

thanks for all I have learned from you all, still searching for some answers but

may be getting closer

thanks again

mary ann

Re: Calcium supplements and teenage girls

Hi ,

I am not sure about the calcium but I thought I heard that vitiamin E helps

leg cramps. Also does anyone know where I can find the article on the importance

of hydration that I believe that Dr. Cohen wrote thanks good luck .

Hugs,

Donna K

---- dgregori@...> wrote:

>

> Hi,

>

> Does anyone have a teenage girl that they give calcium supplements to?

> My 15 year old daughter has been having horrible leg cramps and she

> takes almost as much Q-Gel as I do and as much Carnitor. I can't get

> her into the docs right now, but I was wondering about Calcium.

>

> Medical advice, information, opinions, data and statements contained herein

are not necessarily those of the list moderators. The author of this e mail is

entirely responsible for its content. List members are reminded of their

responsibility to evaluate the content of the postings and consult with their

physicians regarding changes in their own treatment.

>

> Personal attacks are not permitted on the list and anyone who sends one is

automatically moderated or removed depending on the severity of the attack.

>

January 11, 2005

Ann

Actually it is potassium, calcium, magnesium and phosphorus that have to be

in balance to help control cramps. I can tell when my kidneys are dumping a

different amount and my balance is off by having more cramping than normal.

laurie

>

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> Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 20:41:43 -0600

> To: >

> Subject: Re: Calcium supplements and teenage girls

>

> Hi all I don't post often but do read all your postings. I actually believe

> it's potasium that helps with leg cramps. If there is a shift from the muscle

> it happens.

>

> thanks for all I have learned from you all, still searching for some answers

> but may be getting closer

> thanks again

> mary ann

> Re: Calcium supplements and teenage girls

>

> Hi ,

> I am not sure about the calcium but I thought I heard that vitiamin E helps

> leg cramps. Also does anyone know where I can find the article on the

> importance of hydration that I believe that Dr. Cohen wrote thanks good luck

> .

> Hugs,

> Donna K

> ---- dgregori@...> wrote:

>>

>> Hi,

>>

>> Does anyone have a teenage girl that they give calcium supplements to?

>> My 15 year old daughter has been having horrible leg cramps and she

>> takes almost as much Q-Gel as I do and as much Carnitor. I can't get

>> her into the docs right now, but I was wondering about Calcium.

>>

>> Medical advice, information, opinions, data and statements contained herein

>> are not necessarily those of the list moderators. The author of this e mail

>> is entirely responsible for its content. List members are reminded of their

>> responsibility to evaluate the content of the postings and consult with their

>> physicians regarding changes in their own treatment.

>>

>> Personal attacks are not permitted on the list and anyone who sends one is

>> automatically moderated or removed depending on the severity of the attack.

>>

January 11, 2005

,

My neurologist put me on Magnesium for my severe leg cramps. It

doesn't take them away totally, but it has helped tremendously.

Smiles,

a

> Hi,

>

> Does anyone have a teenage girl that they give calcium supplements to?

> My 15 year old daughter has been having horrible leg cramps and she

> takes almost as much Q-Gel as I do and as much Carnitor. I can't get

> her into the docs right now, but I was wondering about Calcium.

>

January 11, 2005

I was having terrible leg cramps for a while and drink alot of milk. I realized

that I was not eating the baked potatoe for lunch a couple of times a week like

I had been. I eat the skin also and they are supposed to be high in potassium.

The doctor also told me that bananas are high in potassium. I love bananas also

so I am in luck.

Janet Sample

Re: Calcium supplements and teenage girls

>

> Hi ,

> I am not sure about the calcium but I thought I heard that vitiamin E helps

> leg cramps. Also does anyone know where I can find the article on the

> importance of hydration that I believe that Dr. Cohen wrote thanks good luck

> .

> Hugs,

> Donna K

> ---- dgregori@...> wrote:

>>

>> Hi,

>>

>> Does anyone have a teenage girl that they give calcium supplements to?

>> My 15 year old daughter has been having horrible leg cramps and she

>> takes almost as much Q-Gel as I do and as much Carnitor. I can't get

>> her into the docs right now, but I was wondering about Calcium.

>>

>> Medical advice, information, opinions, data and statements contained herein

>> are not necessarily those of the list moderators. The author of this e mail

>> is entirely responsible for its content. List members are reminded of their

>> responsibility to evaluate the content of the postings and consult with

their

>> physicians regarding changes in their own treatment.

>>

>> Personal attacks are not permitted on the list and anyone who sends one is

>> automatically moderated or removed depending on the severity of the attack.

>>

January 11, 2005

I plan to have all tested when I get her to the doc, but thourght that

since calcium was all I could really do anything about currently, I

wondered about giving someone her age the supplements. She drinks

plenty of milk, but we can't afford the good diairy milk any switched to

" store " milk in plastic jugs a couple of years back. It was a case of

milk or Q-Gel in the house type of thing. Anyway, since calcium is

pretty much killed by florencent light passing through the plastic jugs,

I'm thinking maybe she isn't getting what she should Just thinking out

loud and bouncing my ideas off everyone.

Thank you to everyone who responded. I appreciate it very much.

Laureta Fitzgerald wrote:

> Ann

>

>Actually it is potassium, calcium, magnesium and phosphorus that have to be

>in balance to help control cramps. I can tell when my kidneys are dumping a

>different amount and my balance is off by having more cramping than normal.

>

>laurie

>

>>

>>Reply-To:

>>Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 20:41:43 -0600

>>To: >

>>Subject: Re: Calcium supplements and teenage girls

>>

>>Hi all I don't post often but do read all your postings. I actually believe

>>it's potasium that helps with leg cramps. If there is a shift from the muscle

>>it happens.

>>

>>thanks for all I have learned from you all, still searching for some answers

>>but may be getting closer

>>thanks again

>>mary ann

>> Re: Calcium supplements and teenage girls

>>

>>Hi ,

>>I am not sure about the calcium but I thought I heard that vitiamin E helps

>>leg cramps. Also does anyone know where I can find the article on the

>>importance of hydration that I believe that Dr. Cohen wrote thanks good luck

>>.

>>Hugs,

>>Donna K

>>---- dgregori@...> wrote:

>>

>>>Hi,

>>>

>>>Does anyone have a teenage girl that they give calcium supplements to?

>>>My 15 year old daughter has been having horrible leg cramps and she

>>>takes almost as much Q-Gel as I do and as much Carnitor. I can't get

>>>her into the docs right now, but I was wondering about Calcium.

>>>

>>>Medical advice, information, opinions, data and statements contained herein

>>>are not necessarily those of the list moderators. The author of this e mail

>>>is entirely responsible for its content. List members are reminded of their

>>>responsibility to evaluate the content of the postings and consult with their

>>>physicians regarding changes in their own treatment.

>>>

>>>Personal attacks are not permitted on the list and anyone who sends one is

>>>automatically moderated or removed depending on the severity of the attack.

>>>

January 11, 2005

,

My doc told me that all teenage girls need calcium and he recommended

Viactiv chews. My girls take them once a day.

January 12, 2005

, you might want to give her Gator Aid. This time of year

hydration has to be of consideration. It's really easy to get

dehydrated, and supplements can certainly make us even more

dehydrated. This would help with an electrolyte imbalance as well.

Good luck, I hope she feels better !

bug

January 12, 2005

Gookinaid is better for hydration because it doesn't have all that sugar and

artificial stuff in it. Sugar can raise levels of lactate. Look up Gookinaid

online at Google...it needs to be ordered online as well.

Also, a couple of the best forms of calcium are calcium citrate, or calcium

malate. Calcium carbonate is not absorbed well and can mess up digestion too.

Calcium is best taken when it is in combination with magnesium, zinc and vitamin

D in a balanced formula and like all vitamins should be purchased from a quality

company. Also, it is best to take it with meals.

Lea

, you might want to give her Gator Aid. This time of year

hydration has to be of consideration. It's really easy to get

dehydrated, and supplements can certainly make us even more

dehydrated. This would help with an electrolyte imbalance as well.

Good luck, I hope she feels better !

bug

January 12, 2005

Lea, I'm interested in your information that sugar can raise levels of

lactate. Do you know the mechanism involved or can you point me to some web

resources that might illuminate the connection?

Thanks.

Barbara

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From: Lea

Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 9:07 AM

To:

Subject: Re: Re: Calcium supplements and teenage girls

Gookinaid is better for hydration because it doesn't have all that sugar and

artificial stuff in it. Sugar can raise levels of lactate. Look up

Gookinaid online at Google...it needs to be ordered online as well.

Also, a couple of the best forms of calcium are calcium citrate, or calcium

malate. Calcium carbonate is not absorbed well and can mess up digestion

too. Calcium is best taken when it is in combination with magnesium, zinc

and vitamin D in a balanced formula and like all vitamins should be

purchased from a quality company. Also, it is best to take it with meals.

Lea

, you might want to give her Gator Aid. This time of year

hydration has to be of consideration. It's really easy to get

dehydrated, and supplements can certainly make us even more

dehydrated. This would help with an electrolyte imbalance as well.

Good luck, I hope she feels better !

bug

January 12, 2005

Just as an FYI, Target has their own brand and it is much cheaper. I

take them myself Thanks for letting me know they were recommended for

your teen girls.

MitomomX3@... wrote:

> ,

>My doc told me that all teenage girls need calcium and he recommended

>Viactiv chews. My girls take them once a day.

>

January 12, 2005

Thanks. She used to drink it pretty regularly and hasn't much for the

last couple of months. We will have to see if her drinking it again helps.

How are you doing these days? How is the " puppy " doing?

venomvw wrote:

>, you might want to give her Gator Aid. This time of year

>hydration has to be of consideration. It's really easy to get

>dehydrated, and supplements can certainly make us even more

>dehydrated. This would help with an electrolyte imbalance as well.

>Good luck, I hope she feels better !

>

>bug

>

>Medical advice, information, opinions, data and statements contained herein are

not necessarily those of the list moderators. The author of this e mail is

entirely responsible for its content. List members are reminded of their

responsibility to evaluate the content of the postings and consult with their

physicians regarding changes in their own treatment.

>

>Personal attacks are not permitted on the list and anyone who sends one is

automatically moderated or removed depending on the severity of the attack.

>

January 12, 2005

Lea

The combinations are great for most people, but if your kidneys are not

working properly and you are spilling one of them or all at different

rates, they they have to be taken individually. Chelated minerals are also

better than the other kinds. At least that is my understanding.

laurie

>

> Reply-To:

> Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 10:07:27 -0500

> To: >

> Subject: Re: Re: Calcium supplements and teenage girls

>

> Gookinaid is better for hydration because it doesn't have all that sugar and

> artificial stuff in it. Sugar can raise levels of lactate. Look up Gookinaid

> online at Google...it needs to be ordered online as well.

>

> Also, a couple of the best forms of calcium are calcium citrate, or calcium

> malate. Calcium carbonate is not absorbed well and can mess up digestion too.

> Calcium is best taken when it is in combination with magnesium, zinc and

> vitamin D in a balanced formula and like all vitamins should be purchased from

> a quality company. Also, it is best to take it with meals.

>

> Lea

>

> , you might want to give her Gator Aid. This time of year

> hydration has to be of consideration. It's really easy to get

> dehydrated, and supplements can certainly make us even more

> dehydrated. This would help with an electrolyte imbalance as well.

> Good luck, I hope she feels better !

>

> bug

>

January 12, 2005

Does this Gookinaid have artificial sweetners? My daughter and I can't

handle them, as we get severe migraines.

Lea wrote:

>Gookinaid is better for hydration because it doesn't have all that sugar and

artificial stuff in it. Sugar can raise levels of lactate. Look up Gookinaid

online at Google...it needs to be ordered online as well.

>

>Also, a couple of the best forms of calcium are calcium citrate, or calcium

malate. Calcium carbonate is not absorbed well and can mess up digestion too.

Calcium is best taken when it is in combination with magnesium, zinc and vitamin

D in a balanced formula and like all vitamins should be purchased from a quality

company. Also, it is best to take it with meals.

>

>Lea

>

>, you might want to give her Gator Aid. This time of year

>hydration has to be of consideration. It's really easy to get

>dehydrated, and supplements can certainly make us even more

>dehydrated. This would help with an electrolyte imbalance as well.

>Good luck, I hope she feels better !

>

>bug

>

January 12, 2005

A friend of mine (Tim) sees Dr. Shoffner in Atlanta. When Tim's lactate is

tested when he is not fasting it is much higher than when he is fasting.

Shoffner told him that he has seen the postprandial spikes in other

metabolically

compromised patients, and that they are not due to liver dysfunction. Shoffner

also said simple sugars should make the lactate spike more.

Together, lactic acid and another chemical (pyruvate) form a reversible reaction

regulated by the oxygen supply to the blood and tissues. When oxygen levels are

low, pyruvate converts to lactic acid; when oxygen levels are adequate, lactic

acid converts to pyruvate.

I figure that all that pyruvate is not getting into the mitochondria (maybe

because of an oxygen problem) and is instead being converted to Lactate (see

below) ...so I guess the more sugar available for conversion to pyruvate, the

more lactate that can be made by a faulty entry into the mitochondria

What is Lactic Acid and Where Does it Come From?

When you consume carbohydrate, it consists of several different sugar molecules;

sucrose, fructose, glucose to name a few. However, by the time the liver does

it's job, all of this sugar is converted to glucose which can be taken up by all

cells. Muscle fibers take up glucose and either use it immediately, or store it

in the form of long glucose chains called glycogen. During exercise, glycogen is

broken down to glucose which then goes through a sequence of enzymatic reactions

that do not require oxygen to proceed. All of these reactions occur out in the

cell fluid, or cytosol. They can occur very rapidly and yield some ATP in the

process. This pathway is called the anaerobic (no oxygen) glycolysis (glucose

breakdown) pathway. Every single glucose molecule must go through this sequence

of reactions for useful energy to be withdrawn and converted to ATP, the energy

molecule, that fuels muscle contraction, and all other cellular energy dependant

functions.

The Metabolic Fork in the Road

There is a critical metabolic fork in the road at the end of this chemical

pathway. At this fork, glucose has been converted from one 6 carbon molecule to

two, 3 carbon molecules called pyruvic acid, or pyruvate. This pyruvate can

either be shuttled into the mitochondria via the enzyme pyruvate dehydrogenase,

or be converted to lactic acid via the enzyme lactate dehydrogenase. Entry into

the mitochondria exposes the pyruvate to further enzymatic breakdown, oxidation,

and a high ATP yield per glucose. Conversion to lactate means a temporary dead

end in the energy yielding process, and the potential for contractile fatigue

due to decreasing cellular pH if lactic acid accumulation proceeds unchecked.

Like a leaf floating in a river, the pyruvate molecule has no " say " in which

metabolic direction is taken.

Lea

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