Guest guest Posted April 14, 2005 Report Share Posted April 14, 2005 Thursday, April 14, 2005 10:31 AM CDT I spent the weekend nursing the pump every hour with bolus Gatorade flushes through the J tube hoping to get ahead of the dehydration and autonomic problems. It was a loosing battle. By Sunday afternoon I had stopped putting out urine and at 10 p.m. when I went to flush the J tube it wouldn't flush. I spent the next hour and a half trying every trick in the book (coke, sprite, meat tenderizer and even vinegar) to no avail. At 11:30 I gave up and called the GI on call at Hershey. Apparently not understanding the urgency of the situation given my underlying mitochondrial/metabolic disorder and the history I'd given him since Friday all he had to offer was for me to go to the local ER. Before leaving for the local ER I left a message for my GI doctor's nurse telling her what was up and asking her to make arrangements first thing in the a.m. for me. What a waste of time the local ER was! They refused to follow my instructions re not giving me Ringer's Lactate and would not give me anything else so I ended up leaving without treatment. I came home and spent the rest of the night sucking on lifesavers to keep my blood sugars up and pushing small amounts of fluid through the G tube as often as I could tolerate without vomiting. I was in the shower when Dr. O's nurse called and when she asked me what I was doing I said I was in the shower trying to soak up some water. We both laughed. She told me to get to Hershey and report to Interventional Radiology as soon as I got there. After IR figured out what was going on with the tube and fixed it they would ship me over to clinic to be evaluated by the doc on call (Dr. O was not in clinic on Monday) for admission. Sounded like a plan to me! I got to the hospital around 11 a.m. and called my sister in law to let her know I was there a day early. She was on her way out the door so I couldn't give her the details. I told her I'd page my brother and fill him in. When I got to IR and checked in they said they weren't expecting me until noon. I told them I didn't mind waiting BUT someone needed to get some fluids started A.S.A.P. They did and managed to get me into the OR at 11:30. In the meantime, my brother had been paged twice now and wasn't responding to the pages. The IR doc took a look and decided that there was no obstruction and that my tube had not migrated nor was it kinked (YEAH), but it was irreversibly clogged so it had to be replaced. I was twilighted. At the end of the procedure he showed me the tube and asked when it was placed. When I told him February 1st he was very surprised. The balloon was almost disintegrated and the tube was in bad shape. He has an idea for a tube that may work better for me in the future, but it has to be special ordered. I drained one bag of fluid in IR and as the nurse was getting ready to ship me over to clinic to be evaluated for admission when the clinic nurse called and told her to send me directly to the ER for fluids and admission evaluation. Well, by this time she had already pulled my IV line (which had to go in the underside of my wrist I was so dehydrated). The IR nurse felt very bad about this and apologized over and over again. She escorted me up to the ER and went through the whole check in process with me. We were told 2 hours before I'd be put back in a room. At the ER check in I asked again to have my brother paged. This time the ER receptionist got a message that all of his calls were going to the unit. I asked her to leave a message that his sister was in the ER. It wasn't that long after that my brother arrived to see what was going on. He sat with me for a while (Thanks Tim!) and then my sister in law, Kathy and my niece Kat showed up to keep me company (Thanks Kathy and Kat!!!). 2 hours turned into 6 hours before I was finally put back in a room. The ER doc came in and did a quick history. I gave him some information about mitochondrial disorders and their management and also the protocol that Dr. Cohen wrote up for me and my meds sheet. The nurse came in to start some more fluids and I asked what was being hung and he said normal saline. I questioned him about it and said that I gave the doc my protocol which specifically states D-5 with saline to start. The nurse said they would start with the saline and add what was necessary when the labs came back. UGGHHH! What is the sense of having a protocol if no one is going to follow it? This is after all a disease of energy metabolism and the episode of dehydration had compromised my energy reserves. Normal saline was not going to restore that. Oh, by the way, it is now headed for 7 p.m. and I still haven't had to urinate. So they run a bag of normal saline and give me phenergan for the nausea, and we wait for labs. The labs come back looking pretty good so all they need from me now is urinalysis. I did end up putting out, but not a great volume (considering I've now had two bags of fluid and my tube feeding have been running since 12:30 p.m.). The urinalysis comes back looking okay so the ER doc decides to discharge me with the knowledge that I still have an appointment with Dr. O the following day. It is now 9:30 p.m. I spent the night at a motel in Hershey which thankfully gave me a late checkout. My appointment with Dr. O wasn't scheduled until 4 p.m. I had a pretty sound night considering I was still under the effects of the versed and fentanyl and didn't wake until late the next morning. I decided to check our home voice mail around noon (now Tuesday) just to see if anything was happening. Good thing I did! There was a message from Dr. O's nurse saying that Dr. O had talked with everyone who saw me yesterday and since I'm re-hydrated and my tube feedings are now running again she wanted to wait a week to see me therefore pushing my appointment back to its original April 18th date. So, after calling everyone who needed to know; I and my bottle of sprite headed for home. I've still not recovered that will take some time. I think the week break before seeing Dr. O will be a good thing in the end. I need time to reflect on what to address with her. Protocol's for sure and how much fluid intake I'm getting in a normal 24 hour period, but I think there are other issues as well. Right now I'm still a bit crashy and can't think too straight. Love and Hugs, Kristie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2005 Report Share Posted April 14, 2005 Hi, I just read your e-mail and wanted to tell you that my thoughts and prayers are with you. My prayer group meets in the morning and I will request X-tra prayers from them for you also. We meet at 9:00 am CDT each and every friday, I was unable to attend week before last due to my having surgery on my right arm on April first and last week I really wasn't the best member there but I think this week will be much better for me and I will make sure you are in our prayers. I will keep you in my prayers each time during the day when I find the need to take my pain and hurt to God. I am attempting to recover from the useIess, tragic and sudden death of my 48 year old son August 28, 2004. From all appearances the doctors feel that he could have had a Mitochondrial Dysfunction that no one was aware of. I had never heard the word until one of my doctors called me mid December, 2004 and told me he was very confident that I did not then and never did have Parkinsons, for which I had been diagnosed in 2001. I made two horrendous trips to ER due to violent reactions of the Parkinsons meds that if I hadn't had a caring doctor that wanted to prove his point, I would have died from them as my cousin recently did. she had been mis-diagnosed 10 years ago and by the time her neurologist retired and a new doctor took over her case and told her he was pulling all the Parkinsons meds it was too late for her. Your friend, Dolores Thursday, April 14, 2005 10:31 AM CDT I spent the weekend nursing the pump every hour with bolus Gatorade flushes through the J tube hoping to get ahead of the dehydration and autonomic problems. It was a loosing battle. By Sunday afternoon I had stopped putting out urine and at 10 p.m. when I went to flush the J tube it wouldn't flush. I spent the next hour and a half trying every trick in the book (coke, sprite, meat tenderizer and even vinegar) to no avail. At 11:30 I gave up and called the GI on call at Hershey. Apparently not understanding the urgency of the situation given my underlying mitochondrial/metabolic disorder and the history I'd given him since Friday all he had to offer was for me to go to the local ER. Before leaving for the local ER I left a message for my GI doctor's nurse telling her what was up and asking her to make arrangements first thing in the a.m. for me. What a waste of time the local ER was! They refused to follow my instructions re not giving me Ringer's Lactate and would not give me anything else so I ended up leaving without treatment. I came home and spent the rest of the night sucking on lifesavers to keep my blood sugars up and pushing small amounts of fluid through the G tube as often as I could tolerate without vomiting. I was in the shower when Dr. O's nurse called and when she asked me what I was doing I said I was in the shower trying to soak up some water. We both laughed. She told me to get to Hershey and report to Interventional Radiology as soon as I got there. After IR figured out what was going on with the tube and fixed it they would ship me over to clinic to be evaluated by the doc on call (Dr. O was not in clinic on Monday) for admission. Sounded like a plan to me! I got to the hospital around 11 a.m. and called my sister in law to let her know I was there a day early. She was on her way out the door so I couldn't give her the details. I told her I'd page my brother and fill him in. When I got to IR and checked in they said they weren't expecting me until noon. I told them I didn't mind waiting BUT someone needed to get some fluids started A.S.A.P. They did and managed to get me into the OR at 11:30. In the meantime, my brother had been paged twice now and wasn't responding to the pages. The IR doc took a look and decided that there was no obstruction and that my tube had not migrated nor was it kinked (YEAH), but it was irreversibly clogged so it had to be replaced. I was twilighted. At the end of the procedure he showed me the tube and asked when it was placed. When I told him February 1st he was very surprised. The balloon was almost disintegrated and the tube was in bad shape. He has an idea for a tube that may work better for me in the future, but it has to be special ordered. I drained one bag of fluid in IR and as the nurse was getting ready to ship me over to clinic to be evaluated for admission when the clinic nurse called and told her to send me directly to the ER for fluids and admission evaluation. Well, by this time she had already pulled my IV line (which had to go in the underside of my wrist I was so dehydrated). The IR nurse felt very bad about this and apologized over and over again. She escorted me up to the ER and went through the whole check in process with me. We were told 2 hours before I'd be put back in a room. At the ER check in I asked again to have my brother paged. This time the ER receptionist got a message that all of his calls were going to the unit. I asked her to leave a message that his sister was in the ER. It wasn't that long after that my brother arrived to see what was going on. He sat with me for a while (Thanks Tim!) and then my sister in law, Kathy and my niece Kat showed up to keep me company (Thanks Kathy and Kat!!!). 2 hours turned into 6 hours before I was finally put back in a room. The ER doc came in and did a quick history. I gave him some information about mitochondrial disorders and their management and also the protocol that Dr. Cohen wrote up for me and my meds sheet. The nurse came in to start some more fluids and I asked what was being hung and he said normal saline. I questioned him about it and said that I gave the doc my protocol which specifically states D-5 with saline to start. The nurse said they would start with the saline and add what was necessary when the labs came back. UGGHHH! What is the sense of having a protocol if no one is going to follow it? This is after all a disease of energy metabolism and the episode of dehydration had compromised my energy reserves. Normal saline was not going to restore that. Oh, by the way, it is now headed for 7 p.m. and I still haven't had to urinate. So they run a bag of normal saline and give me phenergan for the nausea, and we wait for labs. The labs come back looking pretty good so all they need from me now is urinalysis. I did end up putting out, but not a great volume (considering I've now had two bags of fluid and my tube feeding have been running since 12:30 p.m.). The urinalysis comes back looking okay so the ER doc decides to discharge me with the knowledge that I still have an appointment with Dr. O the following day. It is now 9:30 p.m. I spent the night at a motel in Hershey which thankfully gave me a late checkout. My appointment with Dr. O wasn't scheduled until 4 p.m. I had a pretty sound night considering I was still under the effects of the versed and fentanyl and didn't wake until late the next morning. I decided to check our home voice mail around noon (now Tuesday) just to see if anything was happening. Good thing I did! There was a message from Dr. O's nurse saying that Dr. O had talked with everyone who saw me yesterday and since I'm re-hydrated and my tube feedings are now running again she wanted to wait a week to see me therefore pushing my appointment back to its original April 18th date. So, after calling everyone who needed to know; I and my bottle of sprite headed for home. I've still not recovered that will take some time. I think the week break before seeing Dr. O will be a good thing in the end. I need time to reflect on what to address with her. Protocol's for sure and how much fluid intake I'm getting in a normal 24 hour period, but I think there are other issues as well. Right now I'm still a bit crashy and can't think too straight. Love and Hugs, Kristie Medical advice, information, opinions, data and statements contained herein are not necessarily those of the list moderators. The author of this e mail is entirely responsible for its content. List members are reminded of their responsibility to evaluate the content of the postings and consult with their physicians regarding changes in their own treatment. Personal attacks are not permitted on the list and anyone who sends one is automatically moderated or removed depending on the severity of the attack. --------------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2005 Report Share Posted April 15, 2005 So sorry you went through this, I hope the situation has stabilized. Is there any way you could meet with your local hospital's head of the ER to make sure your protocol is followed? You're in our thoughts for a speedy recovery. Take care, RH > > Thursday, April 14, 2005 10:31 AM CDT > > I spent the weekend nursing the pump every hour with bolus Gatorade > flushes through the J tube hoping to get ahead of the dehydration and > autonomic problems. It was a loosing battle. By Sunday afternoon I had > stopped putting out urine and at 10 p.m. when I went to flush the J > tube it wouldn't flush. I spent the next hour and a half trying every > trick in the book (coke, sprite, meat tenderizer and even vinegar) to > no avail. At 11:30 I gave up and called the GI on call at Hershey. > > Apparently not understanding the urgency of the situation given my > underlying mitochondrial/metabolic disorder and the history I'd given > him since Friday all he had to offer was for me to go to the local ER. > Before leaving for the local ER I left a message for my GI doctor's > nurse telling her what was up and asking her to make arrangements > first thing in the a.m. for me. What a waste of time the local ER was! > They refused to follow my instructions re not giving me Ringer's > Lactate and would not give me anything else so I ended up leaving > without treatment. I came home and spent the rest of the night sucking > on lifesavers to keep my blood sugars up and pushing small amounts of > fluid through the G tube as often as I could tolerate without vomiting. > > I was in the shower when Dr. O's nurse called and when she asked me > what I was doing I said I was in the shower trying to soak up some > water. We both laughed. She told me to get to Hershey and report to > Interventional Radiology as soon as I got there. After IR figured out > what was going on with the tube and fixed it they would ship me over > to clinic to be evaluated by the doc on call (Dr. O was not in clinic > on Monday) for admission. Sounded like a plan to me! > > I got to the hospital around 11 a.m. and called my sister in law to > let her know I was there a day early. She was on her way out the door > so I couldn't give her the details. I told her I'd page my brother and > fill him in. When I got to IR and checked in they said they weren't > expecting me until noon. I told them I didn't mind waiting BUT someone > needed to get some fluids started A.S.A.P. They did and managed to get > me into the OR at 11:30. In the meantime, my brother had been paged > twice now and wasn't responding to the pages. > > The IR doc took a look and decided that there was no obstruction and > that my tube had not migrated nor was it kinked (YEAH), but it was > irreversibly clogged so it had to be replaced. I was twilighted. At > the end of the procedure he showed me the tube and asked when it was > placed. When I told him February 1st he was very surprised. The > balloon was almost disintegrated and the tube was in bad shape. He has > an idea for a tube that may work better for me in the future, but it > has to be special ordered. > > I drained one bag of fluid in IR and as the nurse was getting ready to > ship me over to clinic to be evaluated for admission when the clinic > nurse called and told her to send me directly to the ER for fluids and > admission evaluation. Well, by this time she had already pulled my IV > line (which had to go in the underside of my wrist I was so > dehydrated). The IR nurse felt very bad about this and apologized over > and over again. She escorted me up to the ER and went through the > whole check in process with me. We were told 2 hours before I'd be put > back in a room. At the ER check in I asked again to have my brother > paged. This time the ER receptionist got a message that all of his > calls were going to the unit. I asked her to leave a message that his > sister was in the ER. > > It wasn't that long after that my brother arrived to see what was > going on. He sat with me for a while (Thanks Tim!) and then my sister > in law, Kathy and my niece Kat showed up to keep me company (Thanks > Kathy and Kat!!!). 2 hours turned into 6 hours before I was finally > put back in a room. The ER doc came in and did a quick history. I gave > him some information about mitochondrial disorders and their > management and also the protocol that Dr. Cohen wrote up for me and my > meds sheet. > > The nurse came in to start some more fluids and I asked what was being > hung and he said normal saline. I questioned him about it and said > that I gave the doc my protocol which specifically states D-5 with > saline to start. The nurse said they would start with the saline and > add what was necessary when the labs came back. UGGHHH! What is the > sense of having a protocol if no one is going to follow it? This is > after all a disease of energy metabolism and the episode of > dehydration had compromised my energy reserves. Normal saline was not > going to restore that. > > Oh, by the way, it is now headed for 7 p.m. and I still haven't had to > urinate. > > So they run a bag of normal saline and give me phenergan for the > nausea, and we wait for labs. The labs come back looking pretty good > so all they need from me now is urinalysis. I did end up putting out, > but not a great volume (considering I've now had two bags of fluid and > my tube feeding have been running since 12:30 p.m.). The urinalysis > comes back looking okay so the ER doc decides to discharge me with the > knowledge that I still have an appointment with Dr. O the following > day. It is now 9:30 p.m. > > I spent the night at a motel in Hershey which thankfully gave me a > late checkout. My appointment with Dr. O wasn't scheduled until 4 p.m. > I had a pretty sound night considering I was still under the effects > of the versed and fentanyl and didn't wake until late the next morning. > > I decided to check our home voice mail around noon (now Tuesday) just > to see if anything was happening. Good thing I did! There was a > message from Dr. O's nurse saying that Dr. O had talked with everyone > who saw me yesterday and since I'm re-hydrated and my tube feedings > are now running again she wanted to wait a week to see me therefore > pushing my appointment back to its original April 18th date. So, after > calling everyone who needed to know; I and my bottle of sprite headed > for home. > > I've still not recovered that will take some time. I think the week > break before seeing Dr. O will be a good thing in the end. I need time > to reflect on what to address with her. Protocol's for sure and how > much fluid intake I'm getting in a normal 24 hour period, but I think > there are other issues as well. Right now I'm still a bit crashy and > can't think too straight. > > Love and Hugs, > Kristie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2005 Report Share Posted April 15, 2005 Kristie, I know you are very savvy in managing your care, but in case you have not tried them, just wanted to mention two techniques we have used successfully on my j-tube to keep it clear of clogs: 1. Extra-long pipe cleaners from the craft store. My tube size is 14 French and the pipe cleaners work very well. 2. Vigorous push-pull method on the syringe to generate turbulence in the tube. This helps regardless of substance, whether coke, water, etc, but works best with something acidic. All this said, some tubes just can't be unclogged. Fortunately, that has not happened to me yet (after 2 years). When it does, or when something internal breaks, it will generate an " emergency. " We do have a repair kit for my Mic-Key tube for external breakage-which we purchased at our own cost after two " emergencies " in one week with external breakage. I have a local surgeon who has said " Call me anytime " for tube emergencies and this is a great comfort. Take care, Barbara _____ > > Thursday, April 14, 2005 10:31 AM CDT > > I spent the weekend nursing the pump every hour with bolus Gatorade > flushes through the J tube hoping to get ahead of the dehydration and > autonomic problems. It was a loosing battle. By Sunday afternoon I had > stopped putting out urine and at 10 p.m. when I went to flush the J > tube it wouldn't flush. I spent the next hour and a half trying every > trick in the book (coke, sprite, meat tenderizer and even vinegar) to > no avail. At 11:30 I gave up and called the GI on call at Hershey. > > Apparently not understanding the urgency of the situation given my > underlying mitochondrial/metabolic disorder and the history I'd given > him since Friday all he had to offer was for me to go to the local ER. > Before leaving for the local ER I left a message for my GI doctor's > nurse telling her what was up and asking her to make arrangements > first thing in the a.m. for me. What a waste of time the local ER was! > They refused to follow my instructions re not giving me Ringer's > Lactate and would not give me anything else so I ended up leaving > without treatment. I came home and spent the rest of the night sucking > on lifesavers to keep my blood sugars up and pushing small amounts of > fluid through the G tube as often as I could tolerate without vomiting. > > I was in the shower when Dr. O's nurse called and when she asked me > what I was doing I said I was in the shower trying to soak up some > water. We both laughed. She told me to get to Hershey and report to > Interventional Radiology as soon as I got there. After IR figured out > what was going on with the tube and fixed it they would ship me over > to clinic to be evaluated by the doc on call (Dr. O was not in clinic > on Monday) for admission. Sounded like a plan to me! > > I got to the hospital around 11 a.m. and called my sister in law to > let her know I was there a day early. She was on her way out the door > so I couldn't give her the details. I told her I'd page my brother and > fill him in. When I got to IR and checked in they said they weren't > expecting me until noon. I told them I didn't mind waiting BUT someone > needed to get some fluids started A.S.A.P. They did and managed to get > me into the OR at 11:30. In the meantime, my brother had been paged > twice now and wasn't responding to the pages. > > The IR doc took a look and decided that there was no obstruction and > that my tube had not migrated nor was it kinked (YEAH), but it was > irreversibly clogged so it had to be replaced. I was twilighted. At > the end of the procedure he showed me the tube and asked when it was > placed. When I told him February 1st he was very surprised. The > balloon was almost disintegrated and the tube was in bad shape. He has > an idea for a tube that may work better for me in the future, but it > has to be special ordered. > > I drained one bag of fluid in IR and as the nurse was getting ready to > ship me over to clinic to be evaluated for admission when the clinic > nurse called and told her to send me directly to the ER for fluids and > admission evaluation. Well, by this time she had already pulled my IV > line (which had to go in the underside of my wrist I was so > dehydrated). The IR nurse felt very bad about this and apologized over > and over again. She escorted me up to the ER and went through the > whole check in process with me. We were told 2 hours before I'd be put > back in a room. At the ER check in I asked again to have my brother > paged. This time the ER receptionist got a message that all of his > calls were going to the unit. I asked her to leave a message that his > sister was in the ER. > > It wasn't that long after that my brother arrived to see what was > going on. He sat with me for a while (Thanks Tim!) and then my sister > in law, Kathy and my niece Kat showed up to keep me company (Thanks > Kathy and Kat!!!). 2 hours turned into 6 hours before I was finally > put back in a room. The ER doc came in and did a quick history. I gave > him some information about mitochondrial disorders and their > management and also the protocol that Dr. Cohen wrote up for me and my > meds sheet. > > The nurse came in to start some more fluids and I asked what was being > hung and he said normal saline. I questioned him about it and said > that I gave the doc my protocol which specifically states D-5 with > saline to start. The nurse said they would start with the saline and > add what was necessary when the labs came back. UGGHHH! What is the > sense of having a protocol if no one is going to follow it? This is > after all a disease of energy metabolism and the episode of > dehydration had compromised my energy reserves. Normal saline was not > going to restore that. > > Oh, by the way, it is now headed for 7 p.m. and I still haven't had to > urinate. > > So they run a bag of normal saline and give me phenergan for the > nausea, and we wait for labs. The labs come back looking pretty good > so all they need from me now is urinalysis. I did end up putting out, > but not a great volume (considering I've now had two bags of fluid and > my tube feeding have been running since 12:30 p.m.). The urinalysis > comes back looking okay so the ER doc decides to discharge me with the > knowledge that I still have an appointment with Dr. O the following > day. It is now 9:30 p.m. > > I spent the night at a motel in Hershey which thankfully gave me a > late checkout. My appointment with Dr. O wasn't scheduled until 4 p.m. > I had a pretty sound night considering I was still under the effects > of the versed and fentanyl and didn't wake until late the next morning. > > I decided to check our home voice mail around noon (now Tuesday) just > to see if anything was happening. Good thing I did! There was a > message from Dr. O's nurse saying that Dr. O had talked with everyone > who saw me yesterday and since I'm re-hydrated and my tube feedings > are now running again she wanted to wait a week to see me therefore > pushing my appointment back to its original April 18th date. So, after > calling everyone who needed to know; I and my bottle of sprite headed > for home. > > I've still not recovered that will take some time. I think the week > break before seeing Dr. O will be a good thing in the end. I need time > to reflect on what to address with her. Protocol's for sure and how > much fluid intake I'm getting in a normal 24 hour period, but I think > there are other issues as well. Right now I'm still a bit crashy and > can't think too straight. > > Love and Hugs, > Kristie Medical advice, information, opinions, data and statements contained herein are not necessarily those of the list moderators. The author of this e mail is entirely responsible for its content. 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