Guest guest Posted July 2, 2001 Report Share Posted July 2, 2001 > -and Ruthie - isn't this the wonderful thing about having two parents, > that just when one of them can't manage, the other one can take over - > bet you are being thankful for DH! Perhaps this is one of those > situations which are handled better by the authority and same-sexness > of the father figure...there will be other issues where your touch is > more appropriate... > Caro DD2 Tammy gave me two Hebrew prayers to photocopy which are supposedly specially to pray for your kids to grow up on the straight and narrow, marry well etc... I believe in the power of prayer. So I started saying those prayers yesterday. I'm not saying anything magical has happened but last night Yeshaya decided, completely off his own bat, to go with Zevi to a Jewish study program this morning.. DH had been trying to talk him into it yesterday and he steadfastly refused to consider going. When I told DH he had decided to give it a go, he was totally gobsmacked! I'm not expecting him to go every day, it will be a miracle if he goes more than once, but hey, I believe in miracles too! Ruthie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 2, 2001 Report Share Posted July 2, 2001 > -and Ruthie - isn't this the wonderful thing about having two parents, > that just when one of them can't manage, the other one can take over - > bet you are being thankful for DH! Perhaps this is one of those > situations which are handled better by the authority and same-sexness > of the father figure...there will be other issues where your touch is > more appropriate... > Caro DD2 Tammy gave me two Hebrew prayers to photocopy which are supposedly specially to pray for your kids to grow up on the straight and narrow, marry well etc... I believe in the power of prayer. So I started saying those prayers yesterday. I'm not saying anything magical has happened but last night Yeshaya decided, completely off his own bat, to go with Zevi to a Jewish study program this morning.. DH had been trying to talk him into it yesterday and he steadfastly refused to consider going. When I told DH he had decided to give it a go, he was totally gobsmacked! I'm not expecting him to go every day, it will be a miracle if he goes more than once, but hey, I believe in miracles too! Ruthie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 2, 2001 Report Share Posted July 2, 2001 > > One thing I was wondering is why are you paying for his mobile? We don't pay for all of it, just a proportion. If he cut down the amount of calls he made on it, it would be most of the bill that *we* were paying but it ends up that he pays for most of it. After all we do find it incredibly useful that he has one, we can always get in touch with him, so that's worth paying something for! Ruthie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 2, 2001 Report Share Posted July 2, 2001 > > One thing I was wondering is why are you paying for his mobile? We don't pay for all of it, just a proportion. If he cut down the amount of calls he made on it, it would be most of the bill that *we* were paying but it ends up that he pays for most of it. After all we do find it incredibly useful that he has one, we can always get in touch with him, so that's worth paying something for! Ruthie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 2, 2001 Report Share Posted July 2, 2001 Ruthie, my comments would only echo Lynda's and many others, I<< And mine too Ruthie - I always read and sympathise but don't have anything constructive to say as haven't been there yet. Also so little time - have 101 other things I should be doing right now but sitting at computer, sigh. Weirdly in my teenage years my dad had left when I was 13 and my mum just let me get on with it - no restrictions, could do exactly as I liked, when I liked. But I was straight as a die and used to wish I was given times to be in by and bedtimes (sounds daft really). I had free rein really and yet never went off the rails at all - I guess I knew that I was the only one responsible for what happened to me so I was extra careful (if that makes sense). Sure this probably doesn't help you at all but just wanted you to know that I'm always listening even if I'm not always posting. Lorraine Mum to 10, Natasha 8, 5, ph 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 2, 2001 Report Share Posted July 2, 2001 Ruthie, my comments would only echo Lynda's and many others, I<< And mine too Ruthie - I always read and sympathise but don't have anything constructive to say as haven't been there yet. Also so little time - have 101 other things I should be doing right now but sitting at computer, sigh. Weirdly in my teenage years my dad had left when I was 13 and my mum just let me get on with it - no restrictions, could do exactly as I liked, when I liked. But I was straight as a die and used to wish I was given times to be in by and bedtimes (sounds daft really). I had free rein really and yet never went off the rails at all - I guess I knew that I was the only one responsible for what happened to me so I was extra careful (if that makes sense). Sure this probably doesn't help you at all but just wanted you to know that I'm always listening even if I'm not always posting. Lorraine Mum to 10, Natasha 8, 5, ph 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 2, 2001 Report Share Posted July 2, 2001 Thanks Lorraine and everyone else too. Big hugs and thanks for the support. Ruthie mine too Ruthie - I always read and sympathise but don't have > anything constructive to say as haven't been there yet. Also so > little time - have 101 other things I should be doing right now but > sitting at computer, sigh. > > Weirdly in my teenage years my dad had left when I was 13 and my mum > just let me get on with it - no restrictions, could do exactly as I > liked, when I liked. But I was straight as a die and used to wish I > was given times to be in by and bedtimes (sounds daft really). I had > free rein really and yet never went off the rails at all - I guess I > knew that I was the only one responsible for what happened to me so I > was extra careful (if that makes sense). Sure this probably doesn't > help you at all but just wanted you to know that I'm always listening > even if I'm not always posting. > > Lorraine > Mum to 10, Natasha 8, 5, ph 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 2, 2001 Report Share Posted July 2, 2001 Thanks Lorraine and everyone else too. Big hugs and thanks for the support. Ruthie mine too Ruthie - I always read and sympathise but don't have > anything constructive to say as haven't been there yet. Also so > little time - have 101 other things I should be doing right now but > sitting at computer, sigh. > > Weirdly in my teenage years my dad had left when I was 13 and my mum > just let me get on with it - no restrictions, could do exactly as I > liked, when I liked. But I was straight as a die and used to wish I > was given times to be in by and bedtimes (sounds daft really). I had > free rein really and yet never went off the rails at all - I guess I > knew that I was the only one responsible for what happened to me so I > was extra careful (if that makes sense). Sure this probably doesn't > help you at all but just wanted you to know that I'm always listening > even if I'm not always posting. > > Lorraine > Mum to 10, Natasha 8, 5, ph 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 2, 2001 Report Share Posted July 2, 2001 Hi Ruthie > And he never turns it off so I can always find out where he is; > whether he speaks to me rudely or nicely is another matter tho! .... I seem destined to be puzzled at the moment ... must be the weather Don't you have any 'bad reception spots' where you live? we have a rough time of it with mobiles (must be all the hills and valleys!!) so is always able to say he didn't have reception because it's always a possibility ... damn )) Jenni Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 3, 2001 Report Share Posted July 3, 2001 >>Ruthie wrote: >>I think all I wanted was a bit of sympathy and >>cyberhugs! Lots of sympathy and hugs coming your way! Feel guilty not replying sooner as you are always there with support for everyone; but my life has been crazy and emotional the last few weeks with two emergency trips to Norway (visiting dying aunt in hospital, then attending funeral yesterday) as well as keeping up with my babies, the builders and trying to get everything done at work before the holidays starting this weekend. I do think you are very brave having so many children all with their own opinions and individualities. You must have so much love to give and be so proud of them all; in spite of their idiosyncracies (mine drive me to distraction and there's just two of them...). Karina Mum to Emilia (Oct 98) and Sebastian (Aug 00) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 3, 2001 Report Share Posted July 3, 2001 >>Ruthie wrote: >>I think all I wanted was a bit of sympathy and >>cyberhugs! Lots of sympathy and hugs coming your way! Feel guilty not replying sooner as you are always there with support for everyone; but my life has been crazy and emotional the last few weeks with two emergency trips to Norway (visiting dying aunt in hospital, then attending funeral yesterday) as well as keeping up with my babies, the builders and trying to get everything done at work before the holidays starting this weekend. I do think you are very brave having so many children all with their own opinions and individualities. You must have so much love to give and be so proud of them all; in spite of their idiosyncracies (mine drive me to distraction and there's just two of them...). Karina Mum to Emilia (Oct 98) and Sebastian (Aug 00) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 2001 Report Share Posted July 4, 2001 > Hi Ruthie > > > I get really annoyed when my relatives insist on telling me off for being > 'hard' on , they only see the nice side of him they don't see the very > normal but very annoying stroppy '' (aka Harry Enfield side), he knows > this and plays on it. Jenni I have this problem as well. My MIL thinks that my DS can do no wrong and always has done (unlike the girls who she feels need taking in hand but thats another story.) She made the mistake a few weeks ago of pulling me up for telling him off ( he had not done something he was asked to do several hours earlier on account of it didn't affect him although it affected the rest of us). Well I lost my temper and informed her that *He was my son and if I wanted to tell him off I would do so* She took offence and left in a huff muttering comments of never crossing the doorstep again and hasn't been back since :-)) We have made up and spoken since and the children have been to see her whenever they wanted to (especially DS surprise surprise)but she hasn't been invited back and it's been wonderful to have weekends back. We used to go for dinner EVERY Sunday until the children started rebelling so instead she started coming here every Sunday for tea 3-7pm for which she cooks cakes scones biscuits etc. However as the children have got older they are never in so me and MIL sit watching telly or worse they run in stuff their faces and dash out to friends again. My son won't get a job either and has to survive on pocket money which he gets paid into his bank account monthly Donna mum to (17) Kimberley(16) Kayleigh(14) (11) Kara(4) [homebirth at last] By the way Happy Birthday to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 2001 Report Share Posted July 4, 2001 > Hi Ruthie > > > I get really annoyed when my relatives insist on telling me off for being > 'hard' on , they only see the nice side of him they don't see the very > normal but very annoying stroppy '' (aka Harry Enfield side), he knows > this and plays on it. Jenni I have this problem as well. My MIL thinks that my DS can do no wrong and always has done (unlike the girls who she feels need taking in hand but thats another story.) She made the mistake a few weeks ago of pulling me up for telling him off ( he had not done something he was asked to do several hours earlier on account of it didn't affect him although it affected the rest of us). Well I lost my temper and informed her that *He was my son and if I wanted to tell him off I would do so* She took offence and left in a huff muttering comments of never crossing the doorstep again and hasn't been back since :-)) We have made up and spoken since and the children have been to see her whenever they wanted to (especially DS surprise surprise)but she hasn't been invited back and it's been wonderful to have weekends back. We used to go for dinner EVERY Sunday until the children started rebelling so instead she started coming here every Sunday for tea 3-7pm for which she cooks cakes scones biscuits etc. However as the children have got older they are never in so me and MIL sit watching telly or worse they run in stuff their faces and dash out to friends again. My son won't get a job either and has to survive on pocket money which he gets paid into his bank account monthly Donna mum to (17) Kimberley(16) Kayleigh(14) (11) Kara(4) [homebirth at last] By the way Happy Birthday to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 2001 Report Share Posted July 4, 2001 > Hi Ruthie > > > I get really annoyed when my relatives insist on telling me off for being > 'hard' on , they only see the nice side of him they don't see the very > normal but very annoying stroppy '' (aka Harry Enfield side), he knows > this and plays on it. Jenni I have this problem as well. My MIL thinks that my DS can do no wrong and always has done (unlike the girls who she feels need taking in hand but thats another story.) She made the mistake a few weeks ago of pulling me up for telling him off ( he had not done something he was asked to do several hours earlier on account of it didn't affect him although it affected the rest of us). Well I lost my temper and informed her that *He was my son and if I wanted to tell him off I would do so* She took offence and left in a huff muttering comments of never crossing the doorstep again and hasn't been back since :-)) We have made up and spoken since and the children have been to see her whenever they wanted to (especially DS surprise surprise)but she hasn't been invited back and it's been wonderful to have weekends back. We used to go for dinner EVERY Sunday until the children started rebelling so instead she started coming here every Sunday for tea 3-7pm for which she cooks cakes scones biscuits etc. However as the children have got older they are never in so me and MIL sit watching telly or worse they run in stuff their faces and dash out to friends again. My son won't get a job either and has to survive on pocket money which he gets paid into his bank account monthly Donna mum to (17) Kimberley(16) Kayleigh(14) (11) Kara(4) [homebirth at last] By the way Happy Birthday to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2005 Report Share Posted March 31, 2005 Gillian Thanks for sharing this article. I may be way off base, but it sounds as if testing has been done with creation of these substances with bovine fetal tissue. I think the testing has been done on bovine. This, in my interpretation, would mean that human fetal cells (stem cells) would be needed to grow it. If this is true then it is one more reason that stem cell research with multiple cell lines be continued. In the US, that has been blocked by the government. I think it will be interesting to see if this comes up at the UMDF conference in June. , Alice and a few others have been in contact with a gentlemen that had a product which we tried. and I had problems with it, so at the last conference he talked about mitochondria specific antioxidents. If he is at the conference in June I will also get his take on this. laurie On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 16:59:20 -0000, gillianstumps gill@...> wrote: > > > Hi All, > > I have just had some info. e-mailed to me from a friend who has found > some research articles talking about MitoQ and MitoVitE > > http://www.jbc.org/cgi/content/abstract/279/36/37575 > I did a quick google and saw that it is being used in Friederich Ataxia > trials and references to it here in the UK at Newcastle and Cambridge > labs.. > Does anyone know anything about it please? as from what I can > understand it is better so far than either Q10 or Idenebone for the > mito. function.. > > Gillian > > > > > > > Medical advice, information, opinions, data and statements contained herein > are not necessarily those of the list moderators. The author of this e mail > is entirely responsible for its content. List members are reminded of their > responsibility to evaluate the content of the postings and consult with > their physicians regarding changes in their own treatment. > > Personal attacks are not permitted on the list and anyone who sends one is > automatically moderated or removed depending on the severity of the attack. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2005 Report Share Posted March 31, 2005 Yeah, I think you might be off base. The fetal bovine serum was just a medium, stem cells don't seem to be involved. They grew bovine aortic cells to supply the mitochondria to test. They only need the fetal serum to " fuel " the growth of the cell line they were testing on. No stem cell issue here (let's not start *that* thread lol, but I'll be glad to give my view as a scientist on that issue). Take care, RH > > > > > > Hi All, > > > > I have just had some info. e-mailed to me from a friend who has found > > some research articles talking about MitoQ and MitoVitE > > > > http://www.jbc.org/cgi/content/abstract/279/36/37575 > > I did a quick google and saw that it is being used in Friederich Ataxia > > trials and references to it here in the UK at Newcastle and Cambridge > > labs.. > > Does anyone know anything about it please? as from what I can > > understand it is better so far than either Q10 or Idenebone for the > > mito. function.. > > > > Gillian > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Medical advice, information, opinions, data and statements contained herein > > are not necessarily those of the list moderators. The author of this e mail > > is entirely responsible for its content. List members are reminded of their > > responsibility to evaluate the content of the postings and consult with > > their physicians regarding changes in their own treatment. > > > > Personal attacks are not permitted on the list and anyone who sends one is > > automatically moderated or removed depending on the severity of the attack. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2005 Report Share Posted March 31, 2005 RH Thanks for setting me straight. laurie > > > Yeah, I think you might be off base. The fetal bovine serum was just > a medium, stem cells don't seem to be involved. They grew bovine > aortic cells to supply the mitochondria to test. > > They only need the fetal serum to " fuel " the growth of the cell line > they were testing on. > > No stem cell issue here (let's not start *that* thread lol, but I'll > be glad to give my view as a scientist on that issue). > > Take care, > RH > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi All, > > > > > > I have just had some info. e-mailed to me from a friend who has > found > > > some research articles talking about MitoQ and MitoVitE > > > > > > http://www.jbc.org/cgi/content/abstract/279/36/37575 > > > I did a quick google and saw that it is being used in Friederich > Ataxia > > > trials and references to it here in the UK at Newcastle and > Cambridge > > > labs.. > > > Does anyone know anything about it please? as from what I can > > > understand it is better so far than either Q10 or Idenebone for > the > > > mito. function.. > > > > > > Gillian > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Medical advice, information, opinions, data and statements > contained herein > > > are not necessarily those of the list moderators. The author of > this e mail > > > is entirely responsible for its content. List members are > reminded of their > > > responsibility to evaluate the content of the postings and > consult with > > > their physicians regarding changes in their own treatment. > > > > > > Personal attacks are not permitted on the list and anyone who > sends one is > > > automatically moderated or removed depending on the severity of > the attack. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2005 Report Share Posted March 31, 2005 RH Thanks for setting me straight. laurie > > > Yeah, I think you might be off base. The fetal bovine serum was just > a medium, stem cells don't seem to be involved. They grew bovine > aortic cells to supply the mitochondria to test. > > They only need the fetal serum to " fuel " the growth of the cell line > they were testing on. > > No stem cell issue here (let's not start *that* thread lol, but I'll > be glad to give my view as a scientist on that issue). > > Take care, > RH > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi All, > > > > > > I have just had some info. e-mailed to me from a friend who has > found > > > some research articles talking about MitoQ and MitoVitE > > > > > > http://www.jbc.org/cgi/content/abstract/279/36/37575 > > > I did a quick google and saw that it is being used in Friederich > Ataxia > > > trials and references to it here in the UK at Newcastle and > Cambridge > > > labs.. > > > Does anyone know anything about it please? as from what I can > > > understand it is better so far than either Q10 or Idenebone for > the > > > mito. function.. > > > > > > Gillian > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Medical advice, information, opinions, data and statements > contained herein > > > are not necessarily those of the list moderators. The author of > this e mail > > > is entirely responsible for its content. List members are > reminded of their > > > responsibility to evaluate the content of the postings and > consult with > > > their physicians regarding changes in their own treatment. > > > > > > Personal attacks are not permitted on the list and anyone who > sends one is > > > automatically moderated or removed depending on the severity of > the attack. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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