Guest guest Posted February 26, 2002 Report Share Posted February 26, 2002 Hi, My son likely has yeast. I know he is tremendously sensitive to phenols. When I give him 2 drops Nutribotic GSE, within minutes, his face turns red and he becomes lethargic for several hours. Anyone know if this is die-off, in which case I should continue gradually, or a reaction to the GSE itself? Also, the first time I gave GSE to him, he licked the outside of his mouth after eating it, and still has a red mark, about 1/2 inch long, on the side of his lips. I'd thought this would go away quickly, but it's not going away at all. I'm guessing the acid in the GSE caused it. Any ideas of how I can work (gently) on this scar? It's pretty distinct, though is the least of our actual problems, though I'm not too happy about causing it. Finally, since I'm a bit worried about the GSE, I've been giving him 1/2 capsule of ProBio Gold, which is supposed to have some anti-yeast properties, for several weeks. I was up to a capsule a day for a few days, but he was so hyper on that I reduced the dose. But now he's getting hyper on only 1/2 capsule a day. Is this because of die-off? Or is he not doing well on the ProBio Gold? Should I continue and stick it out or stop before doing more damage? How do I know? Symptoms he has while on ProBio Gold are SO much like phenol problems! And he's on a brutally low phenol diet, also gets espom salt baths and cream. Hyperactive, spacy, goofy, red ears. Also, he alternates between constipation and diahrrea (sp?). This has been going on for weeks now, now improvement except when I skip a day of ProBio Gold. But then I don't know how to attack the yeast, so I go back on. I tried colloidal silver a few days; it also makes him hyper. More die-off? I'm afraid of agrayia, so don't push the colloidal silver. Any ideas? Thanks, Debbie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2002 Report Share Posted February 26, 2002 > Finally, since I'm a bit worried about the GSE, I've been giving him 1/2 > capsule of ProBio Gold, which is supposed to have some anti-yeast properties, > for several weeks. I was up to a capsule a day for a few days, but he was so > hyper on that I reduced the dose. But now he's getting hyper on only 1/2 > capsule a day. Is this because of die-off? Or is he not doing well on the > ProBio Gold? We don't have any experience with the GSE, but we do use Pro-Bio Gold. Both my kids had die-off reactions when starting it, but now have adjusted. It's pretty strong, and even 1/2 capsule is a lot, IMHO. The label says it has a minimum of 20 billion cells per capsule, and the rep I spoke to at Kirkman's said that when it's fresh it likely has more--they try to allow for the fact that it may lose potency during shipping, or if it isn't refrigerated for short times. Anyway, my kids usually each get 1/4 to 1/2 capsule per day, and we worked up to that gradually. It is certainly possible that he just can't tolerate that particular supplement, but it might be worth reducing the dose first to see if that makes a difference. Good luck, Kat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 27, 2002 Report Share Posted February 27, 2002 > Hi, > > My son likely has yeast. I know he is tremendously sensitive to phenols. When > I give him 2 drops Nutribotic GSE, within minutes, his face turns red and he > becomes lethargic for several hours. Anyone know if this is die-off, in which > case I should continue gradually, or a reaction to the GSE itself? It could be die off, but that fast and that reaction, I would say probably GSE/phenol reaction. GSE is high phenol. You can try just one drop, but you might want to try another yeast treatment. > Finally, since I'm a bit worried about the GSE, I've been giving him 1/2 > capsule of ProBio Gold, which is supposed to have some anti-yeast properties, > for several weeks. I was up to a capsule a day for a few days, but he was so > hyper on that I reduced the dose. But now he's getting hyper on only 1/2 > capsule a day. Is this because of die-off? Or is he not doing well on the > ProBio Gold? Should I continue and stick it out or stop before doing more > damage? How do I know? > It can be die off, but my kids do not tolerate probiotics, even with enzymes. So it can be that also. > Symptoms he has while on ProBio Gold are SO much like phenol problems! And > he's on a brutally low phenol diet, also gets espom salt baths and cream. > Hyperactive, spacy, goofy, red ears. Also, he alternates between constipation > and diahrrea (sp?). This has been going on for weeks now, now improvement > except when I skip a day of ProBio Gold. But then I don't know how to attack > the yeast, so I go back on. Yes, for my son yeast symptoms are the same as phenol symptoms. I have found however, that his phenol sensitivity disappeared after several rounds of chelation, so you can consider that. Also, HNI has a new phenol enzyme, you can ask for a sample of that. It helped my son's phenol issues while he had them, it might work for your son also. http://www.autismchannel.net/dana/yeast.htm http://www.houstonni.com/ Dana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 27, 2002 Report Share Posted February 27, 2002 Die-off could cause a person to be either hyper or lethargic, as their body fights off the yeast. Whenever I start anything with Evan, I start as small as possible and work up. Takes longer to see results maybe but does not create such a reaction with die off. Colloidal silver does not cause agrayia but silver nitrates do. Betty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 27, 2002 Report Share Posted February 27, 2002 At 16:52 27/02/2002 -0800, you wrote: >Die-off could cause a person to be either hyper or lethargic, as their body >fights off the yeast. Whenever I start anything with Evan, I start as small >as possible and work up. Takes longer to see results maybe but does not >create such a reaction with die off. > >Colloidal silver does not cause agrayia but silver nitrates do. > >Betty > Hi Betty, I believe I missed this thread............what is agrayia? . > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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