Re: Salycilates, adrenals and thyroid, temps

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Hi Dean, thanks for your reply.

A GOOD link for salycilates? here's what I've got for food intolerances:

http://www.fedupwithfoodadditives.info/

http://www.purr.demon.co.uk/Food/Salicylate.html

http://www.users.bigpond.com/mywebhome/sindex.html#Anchor-19627

http://users.bigpond.net.au/allergydietitian/fi/sal.html

http://incrediblehorizons.com/add-diet.htm#Salic

http://www.cs.nsw.gov.au/rpa/allergy/research/students/anne/default.cfm

> Do you take any adrenal or thyroid hormone?

This is what I'm trying to nut out presently: do I need to take

thyroid and adrenal supps?

I have been taking my temperature in the morn and at night and it

averages out so far at 36.1 deg celcius, 96.98 Fahrenheit. I know the

timing's not right but I'm active most days and unable (mostly just

forgetful) to take an at rest temp 3,6,9 hrs after rising.

Last year I was sooo cold over a winter with no frosts but this year,

which was colder with frosts I didn't feel the cold at all. I've been

taking high dose antioxidant supps per pfeiffer prescription and

Cutler protocol in that time, inadvertently feeding my thyroid and

adrenals, which I'm guessing is what's reflected in the improvement in

TSH reading and my cold tolerance. Of course its all NOOOORMAAAAL on

paper, even RT3. I'm seeing a specialist though, who from what I hear

is in the know, and reading a great book who's author even has a

little chapter on heavy metals effect on thyroid and adrenals (Your

thyroid and how to keep it healthy by Barry Durrant-Peatfield).

As soon as I started chelation about 3 months ago, I could tolerate

more foods but I've noticed when I go over my threshold I get 'adrenal

symptoms' and, always on the quest for a more expansive diet after 6

years of heavy restrictions, I started to think that there is a

connection there I can explore to expand my diet. ie if I take adrenal

supps I might be able to eat more variety of food. Otherwise I was

hoping to get by without taking more pills (I take around 40 per day

when chelating). I seem to do well on 2 hrly 21mg ALA as long as I

take at least 500mg Mg a day, without which chelation was a VERY

exhausting experience.

My partner on the other hand is running at a low 35.5-35.7 deg cel,

95.9-96.26 F and is skinny (I am too, although have put a little on

over the last yr), has adrenal symptoms AND food intolerances. I

attempt to get him to consider this seriously and any suggestions I

can pass on to him are appreciated. He's got a very strong

constitution and is a good metal excreter (his Ag, Hg and Pb are off

the chart) and is extremely fit, muscley...a powerhouse really, but is

slowing down from his past ability to go like a train and thinks it's

just 'getting old' (at 35!).

> But salicylates can pose their own set of problems.

I am aware of a few problems salys cause, but what do you know re this?

> Thyroid hormone is crucial for your liver phases,

How could that effect MCS?

Thanks and Kind Regards,

Kelle

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Thanks for the links Kelle.

> This is what I'm trying to nut out presently: do I need to take

> thyroid and adrenal supps?

> I have been taking my temperature in the morn and at night and it

> averages out so far at 36.1 deg celcius, 96.98 Fahrenheit.

Those are low temperatures and mean your thyroid system is under-performing.

>I know the

> timing's not right but I'm active most days and unable (mostly just

> forgetful) to take an at rest temp 3,6,9 hrs after rising.

Yes, you really do need to do this, even if you are not resting at the time.

Your daily average will be lower if taken on rising and late at night.

> TSH reading and my cold tolerance. Of course its all NOOOORMAAAAL on

> paper, even RT3.

All it means when your thyroid hormones are 'normal' is that you are making

the hormones. It doesn't measure if they are actually having an effect on

recptor level. That is what the temperatures do.

>I'm seeing a specialist though, who from what I hear

> is in the know, and reading a great book who's author even has a

> little chapter on heavy metals effect on thyroid and adrenals (Your

> thyrid and how to keep it healthy by Barry Durrant-Peatfield).

I've heard Peatfield is very knowledgeable. Report back to us please.

> I take adrenal supps I might be able to eat more variety of food.

That seemed to happen to me. Also, if your temperatures are optimized, so is

your enzyme function (digestive and otherwise)

> My partner on the other hand is running at a low 35.5-35.7 deg cel,

> 95.9-96.26 F and is skinny (I am too, although have put a little on

> over the last yr), has adrenal symptoms AND food intolerances.

Very low temps.

>> But salicylates can pose their own set of problems.

> I am aware of a few problems salys cause, but what do you know re this?

Not enough.

>> Thyroid hormone is crucial for your liver phases,

> How could that effect MCS?

Well, if your temperatures are low your liver enzymes/phases won't work well

either.

DeanSA

[Guest guest]

Dean,

Do you mind telling me what exactly you are taking under Dr

's program for your thyroid? Are you treating your addrenals

also? Herbs? for what? Thanks so much for sharing.

>

>

> Thanks for the links Kelle.

>

>

> > This is what I'm trying to nut out presently: do I need to take

> > thyroid and adrenal supps?

> > I have been taking my temperature in the morn and at night and it

> > averages out so far at 36.1 deg celcius, 96.98 Fahrenheit.

> Those are low temperatures and mean your thyroid system is under-

performing.

>

>

> >I know the

> > timing's not right but I'm active most days and unable (mostly

just

> > forgetful) to take an at rest temp 3,6,9 hrs after rising.

> Yes, you really do need to do this, even if you are not resting at

the time.

> Your daily average will be lower if taken on rising and late at

night.

>

>

> > TSH reading and my cold tolerance. Of course its all NOOOORMAAAAL

on

> > paper, even RT3.

> All it means when your thyroid hormones are 'normal' is that you

are making

> the hormones. It doesn't measure if they are actually having an

effect on

> recptor level. That is what the temperatures do.

>

>

> >I'm seeing a specialist though, who from what I hear

> > is in the know, and reading a great book who's author even has a

> > little chapter on heavy metals effect on thyroid and adrenals

(Your

> > thyrid and how to keep it healthy by Barry Durrant-Peatfield).

> I've heard Peatfield is very knowledgeable. Report back to us

please.

>

>

> > I take adrenal supps I might be able to eat more variety of food.

> That seemed to happen to me. Also, if your temperatures are

optimized, so is

> your enzyme function (digestive and otherwise)

>

> > My partner on the other hand is running at a low 35.5-35.7 deg

cel,

> > 95.9-96.26 F and is skinny (I am too, although have put a little

on

> > over the last yr), has adrenal symptoms AND food intolerances.

> Very low temps.

>

> >> But salicylates can pose their own set of problems.

> > I am aware of a few problems salys cause, but what do you know

re this?

> Not enough.

>

>

> >> Thyroid hormone is crucial for your liver phases,

> > How could that effect MCS?

> Well, if your temperatures are low your liver enzymes/phases won't

work well

> either.

> DeanSA

>

[Guest guest]

> Dean,

> Do you mind telling me what exactly you are taking under Dr

> 's program for your thyroid? Are you treating your addrenals

> also? Herbs? for what? Thanks so much for sharing.

Hi,

's T3 protocol uses Sustained release T3 (ST3) in cycles. I have not

been able to obtain it in my country yet (am waiting on a Dr to make it). So

in the mean time I have used straight T3 in divided doses to support my

thyroid. I will come off of this as soon as the ST3 is ready.

I did not respond well to Armour at all.

I previously treated my adrenals with hydrocortisone for several months,

adrenal glandular and B-vitamins. They are fine now, as reflected by me

gaining weight and have stabile (though low) temperatures. So I'm focusing

on the thyroid, though most people will need both, and certainly you treat

the adrenals first.

Dr does not focus on adrenals at all, so you won't find that info

there.

DeanSA.

[Guest guest]

Dean,

Thanks alot for the info. I am just starting to work on addrenals

and thyroid issues(should have dealt with it earlier) Two ? How did

you know you couldnt take the armour, versus you had not find the rt

dosage? your symptoms on the armour, and what is the def between

armour and the t3 stuff. It seems like you understand this things

well. Thanks,

Vivian

>

>

> > Dean,

> > Do you mind telling me what exactly you are taking under Dr

> > 's program for your thyroid? Are you treating your

addrenals

> > also? Herbs? for what? Thanks so much for sharing.

>

> Hi,

> 's T3 protocol uses Sustained release T3 (ST3) in cycles. I

have not

> been able to obtain it in my country yet (am waiting on a Dr to

make it). So

> in the mean time I have used straight T3 in divided doses to

support my

> thyroid. I will come off of this as soon as the ST3 is ready.

> I did not respond well to Armour at all.

> I previously treated my adrenals with hydrocortisone for several

months,

> adrenal glandular and B-vitamins. They are fine now, as reflected

by me

> gaining weight and have stabile (though low) temperatures. So I'm

focusing

> on the thyroid, though most people will need both, and certainly

you treat

> the adrenals first.

> Dr does not focus on adrenals at all, so you won't find

that info

> there.

> DeanSA.

>

[Guest guest]

> Thanks alot for the info. I am just starting to work on addrenals

> and thyroid issues(should have dealt with it earlier) Two ? How did

> you know you couldnt take the armour, versus you had not find the rt

> dosage? your symptoms on the armour, and what is the def between

> armour and the t3 stuff. It seems like you understand this things

> well. Thanks,

> Vivian

Hi Vivian,

I just never felt good on Armour no matter how slow and proper I raised it.

I had some benefits, like improved bowel function. But I just got more

tired, and had frequent crashes during the week where I just needed to

sleep. After raising to 3.5 grains over a few months, without my temperature

lifting even a tiny bit, I concluded Armour was not for me. I also concluded

that the Armour was supplying more T4 and that was being converted into RT3

blocking my receptors. Hence the inability to lift my temperatures.

The temperature was the biggest guide for me. I have only been on the

straight T3 for a two weeks and already feel better and my temperatures have

lifted half a degree in Ceclius. If I were you I would get on some adrenal

support (hydrocortisone) and thereafter try some sustained release T3

according to the protocol. All the while monitor your temperatures.

Once you reach 98.6 and can keep it there, you may need to be one some more

thyroid support (Armour or T3 alone).

If you have the resources though ($200), the best thing to do before you

start is do a full saliva hormone profile from DiagnosTechs. It will remove

a lot of the guesswork.

DeanSA