Re: worsening on probiotics

[Guest guest]

HI p

I had similir bad reaction to Probiotics when i started on them a

year ago and attributed it to eitehr heavy yeasy/fungus/heavy metasl

being stirred up by the good bacteria effect of probiotics

my symptoms were physical and mental (anxiety, fatigue, head burning)

aloe vera and mangosteen did same thing to me as i was using these to

heal my gut..I aslo had to start very slowly on these and work my way

up

It got better as I cut the dosage and did intermittent treatments

(on for a week and then off for a week)

are your amalgams removed yet?? Huggins (I believe) says that dealing

with yeast/candida problems while amalagams are still in is bad as

yeast is created by the body/stomach to deal (encapsulate)the

mercury...therefore if you get rid of the mercury, you are loosening

up the mercury for redistribiution..Ido not know if this is the case,

but it makes sense.

I was doing anti yeast treatments before amalagm removal

-- In frequent-dose-chelation , " per h "

wrote:

>

> Hi all,

> I wonder if anybody has any ideas or knowledge about what serious

> worsening on probiotics means?

> (mental, depression,aggression, circulation, fatigue)

>

> It is not due to a special brand, tried severeal.

> Could it be due to a serious LGS with dysbiosis?

> Bacterial translocation?

>

> Can it have something to do with heavy metals? Ive read something

> about that. Problem is probiotics is recommended for LGS and yet

> probiotics seems to make me worse due to LGS...

>

> regards

> /P

[Guest guest]

Could they be helping reabsorb heavy metals that should be passing out? I'm

wondering the same thing as I've upped my dose of probiotics and suspected that

things are getting worse.

Lynn

per h pehan03@...> wrote: Hi all,

I wonder if anybody has any ideas or knowledge about what serious

worsening on probiotics means?

(mental, depression,aggression, circulation, fatigue)

It is not due to a special brand, tried severeal.

Could it be due to a serious LGS with dysbiosis?

Bacterial translocation?

Can it have something to do with heavy metals? Ive read something

about that. Problem is probiotics is recommended for LGS and yet

probiotics seems to make me worse due to LGS...

regards

/P

[Guest guest]

First question, what is LGS?

Second, I'm no expert on these gut issues, probiotics, etc., but I was wondering

what kind of probiotics you are taking? I only had some GI testing done once a

few years ago, but the doctor said that my acidophilus type bateria numbers

where fine, but I was very low on the bifidum type, and needed to take a

probiotic that included bifidum, not just acidophilus. So maybe an inbalance of

the types of probiotics could possibly cause problems like these? Does this

make sense to anyone?--------Jackie

In frequent-dose-chelation Lynn Razaitis wrote:

Could they be helping reabsorb heavy metals that should be passing out? I'm

wondering the same thing as I've upped my dose of probiotics and suspected that

things are getting worse.

Lynn

per h pehan03@...> wrote: Hi all,

I wonder if anybody has any ideas or knowledge about what serious

worsening on probiotics means?

(mental, depression,aggression, circulation, fatigue)

It is not due to a special brand, tried severeal.

Could it be due to a serious LGS with dysbiosis?

Bacterial translocation?

Can it have something to do with heavy metals? Ive read something

about that. Problem is probiotics is recommended for LGS and yet

probiotics seems to make me worse due to LGS...

regards

/P

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi all,

> I wonder if anybody has any ideas or knowledge about what serious

> worsening on probiotics means?

> (mental, depression,aggression, circulation, fatigue)

Probiotics can cause die-off. If this is what you are experiencing,

reducing the dose may help. Or you may need to stop for a while and

then re-start with a lower dose. It takes some time to get over the

die-off.

Some don't tolerate dairy-based probiotics, so this is another thing

to consider.

> It is not due to a special brand, tried severeal.

> Could it be due to a serious LGS with dysbiosis?

> Bacterial translocation?

>

> Can it have something to do with heavy metals? Ive read something

> about that. Problem is probiotics is recommended for LGS and yet

> probiotics seems to make me worse due to LGS...

If you have a leaky gut, I would make sure you try to address that

by taking one or more of glutamine, DGL/licorice, arginine, glycine.

Those are things Andy mentions for healing the gut.

--

> regards

> /P

>

[Guest guest]

> Probiotics can cause die-off. If this is what you are experiencing,

> reducing the dose may help. Or you may need to stop for a while and

> then re-start with a lower dose. It takes some time to get over the

> die-off.

>

> Some don't tolerate dairy-based probiotics, so this is another thing

> to consider.

Agreeing with that probiotics can contribute to die-off, and that some

people

don't seem to tolerate the dairy-based probiotics.

I have also read, and this is anecdotol so take it FWIW, that some people do not

do well

when combining different probiotics.

I was able to make a lot of headway when I dealt with a bunch of gut problems at

the same

time. Knocking back the yeast (no sugar, fewer high glycemic carbs, no alcohol,

plus yeast

killers), lots of probiotics, upping the B vitamins, and dropping the foods I

tested

intolerant to.

I haven't added glutamine, but it's on my list to order.

M.

[Guest guest]

These sound like die off reactions. Yeast does nto just grow in the

gut but in all the body. It is systemic and causes many symptoms. When

you begin to kill it off, you will feel cruddy at first. Using low

doses and slowly increase. Also, taking activated charcoal a few hours

later can absorb some of the die off in the gut and reduce symptoms.

If you are dairy intolerant, you need to find dairy free probiotics.

I also treated yeast before removal...it made me feel better. I now

can tell when the yeast comes back, because I these symptoms you list

come back.

>

> HI p

> I had similir bad reaction to Probiotics when i started on them a

> year ago and attributed it to eitehr heavy yeasy/fungus/heavy metasl

> being stirred up by the good bacteria effect of probiotics

>

> my symptoms were physical and mental (anxiety, fatigue, head burning)

>

> aloe vera and mangosteen did same thing to me as i was using these to

> heal my gut..I aslo had to start very slowly on these and work my way

> up

>

>

[Guest guest]

-No, they kill of the pathogens in your gut and repopulate it with

healthy pathogens that keep the bad ones from overgrowing. Reduce your

doses...don't up it if it's making you worse.

You may wish to try a colon cleanse product too...to help wipe out

some of the bacteria.

-- In frequent-dose-chelation , Lynn Razaitis

wrote:

>

> Could they be helping reabsorb heavy metals that should be passing

out? I'm wondering the same thing as I've upped my dose of probiotics

and suspected that things are getting worse.

>

> Lynn

>

> per h wrote: Hi all,

> I wonder if anybody has any ideas or knowledge about what serious

> worsening on probiotics means?

> (mental, depression,aggression, circulation, fatigue)

>

> It is not due to a special brand, tried severeal.

> Could it be due to a serious LGS with dysbiosis?

> Bacterial translocation?

>

> Can it have something to do with heavy metals? Ive read something

> about that. Problem is probiotics is recommended for LGS and yet

> probiotics seems to make me worse due to LGS...

>

> regards

> /P

>