Guest guest Posted January 22, 2008 Report Share Posted January 22, 2008 I have had chronic pain. For years I took nothing for the pain. Tylenol without codeine and the usual NSAIDs didn't do anything to lessen the pain. NSAIDs give me immediate gut problems. Under the care of a pain specialist I took morphine and tylenol with codeine. Tylenol was ok for me (I used morphine plus about 6 x tylenol 3's per day for some time). It may be that some Tylenol ones (contain some codeine, over the counter in Canada) would be ok to take for the short term until you get over the problem. I've never heard of Soma, but I like codeine and morphine. A doctor could give you some Dilaudid (hydromorphone). It comes in low doses like 1 mg. Try the Tylenol ones, if you can get them, and if they bother you ask your doctor for something. Tell him you can't take NSAIDs (the usual thing they try to pawn off on people). J > > As I think I mentioned here, I ended up having to get 9 crowns > replaced last week, 11 hours over 2 days, because it was the absolute > only time we could do it; I have to leave for 2 months soon and there > was only this opening... It went better than expected except for some > obvious fatigue and the expected effects of the awfully stirred up > mercury. > > Anyway, I'm writing because I read that Andy says not to use > analgesiacs like tylenol and acetaminophen because of glutathione > problems in the liver (which I have.) But my lower left jaw really > aches at night and, well, what can I take for it? Is there any > painkiller, prescription or otherwise that doesn't mess with the > glutathione problem? What about Soma (carisoprodol.) > > Thanks! (and, btw, the surprised dentist found gobs of amalgam under > those crowns, much of it right next to gold -- no wonder I was having > problems.. still am...) > > ~robin > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2008 Report Share Posted January 22, 2008 I have had chronic pain. For years I took nothing for the pain. Tylenol without codeine and the usual NSAIDs didn't do anything to lessen the pain. NSAIDs give me immediate gut problems. Under the care of a pain specialist I took morphine and tylenol with codeine. Tylenol was ok for me (I used morphine plus about 6 x tylenol 3's per day for some time). It may be that some Tylenol ones (contain some codeine, over the counter in Canada) would be ok to take for the short term until you get over the problem. I've never heard of Soma, but I like codeine and morphine. A doctor could give you some Dilaudid (hydromorphone). It comes in low doses like 1 mg. Try the Tylenol ones, if you can get them, and if they bother you ask your doctor for something. Tell him you can't take NSAIDs (the usual thing they try to pawn off on people). J > > As I think I mentioned here, I ended up having to get 9 crowns > replaced last week, 11 hours over 2 days, because it was the absolute > only time we could do it; I have to leave for 2 months soon and there > was only this opening... It went better than expected except for some > obvious fatigue and the expected effects of the awfully stirred up > mercury. > > Anyway, I'm writing because I read that Andy says not to use > analgesiacs like tylenol and acetaminophen because of glutathione > problems in the liver (which I have.) But my lower left jaw really > aches at night and, well, what can I take for it? Is there any > painkiller, prescription or otherwise that doesn't mess with the > glutathione problem? What about Soma (carisoprodol.) > > Thanks! (and, btw, the surprised dentist found gobs of amalgam under > those crowns, much of it right next to gold -- no wonder I was having > problems.. still am...) > > ~robin > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2008 Report Share Posted January 22, 2008 Hi Robin- Looks like honey might be helpful for you... http://www.earthclinic.com/Remedies/honey.html They say 3 TBS in a cup of boiled water does the trick! Take care, > > As I think I mentioned here, I ended up having to get 9 crowns > replaced last week, 11 hours over 2 days, because it was the absolute > only time we could do it; I have to leave for 2 months soon and there > was only this opening... It went better than expected except for some Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2008 Report Share Posted January 22, 2008 Hi Robin- Looks like honey might be helpful for you... http://www.earthclinic.com/Remedies/honey.html They say 3 TBS in a cup of boiled water does the trick! Take care, > > As I think I mentioned here, I ended up having to get 9 crowns > replaced last week, 11 hours over 2 days, because it was the absolute > only time we could do it; I have to leave for 2 months soon and there > was only this opening... It went better than expected except for some Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2008 Report Share Posted January 23, 2008 In frequent-dose-chelation robin ann wrote: As I think I mentioned here, I ended up having to get 9 crowns replaced last week, 11 hours over 2 days, because it was the absolute only time we could do it; I have to leave for 2 months soon and there was only this opening... It went better than expected except for some obvious fatigue and the expected effects of the awfully stirred up mercury. Anyway, I'm writing because I read that Andy says not to use analgesiacs like tylenol and acetaminophen because of glutathione problems in the liver (which I have.) But my lower left jaw really aches at night and, well, what can I take for it? Is there any painkiller, prescription or otherwise that doesn't mess with the glutathione problem? What about Soma (carisoprodol.) ----------I'm not familiar with Soma, so I have no idea about that. On page 134 of AI, Andy lists aspirin, Celebrex, and magnesium for pain. I think I also read that high doses of Vit C can be a pain killer, and you should be taking plenty of it anyway, after dental work. So maybe up your Vit Cand magnesium, and try good ole aspirin. And to be honest, I think I used Advil after my dental work, because it was something I was used to taking, before I got into all of this stuff. And it was for short term use, so I don't think it was a *real* bad thing to do.----------Jackie Thanks! (and, btw, the surprised dentist found gobs of amalgam under those crowns, much of it right next to gold -- no wonder I was having problems.. still am...) ----------Very glad you got that out. I always cringe when I hear about people having gold and amalgam. Are you amalgam-free now?---------Jackie ~robin ._,_.___ Messages in this topic (1) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic Messages MARKETPLACE ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Earn your degree in as few as 2 years - Advance your career with an AS, BS, MS degree - College-Finder.net. Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch format to Traditional Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe Recent Activity a.. 12New Members b.. 1New Links Visit Your Group Meditation and Lovingkindness A Yahoo! Group to share and learn. Yahoo! Health Heartburn or Worse What symptoms are most serious? Yahoo! Groups Lawn & Garden ideas and tips for a green thumb. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2008 Report Share Posted January 23, 2008 In frequent-dose-chelation robin ann wrote: As I think I mentioned here, I ended up having to get 9 crowns replaced last week, 11 hours over 2 days, because it was the absolute only time we could do it; I have to leave for 2 months soon and there was only this opening... It went better than expected except for some obvious fatigue and the expected effects of the awfully stirred up mercury. Anyway, I'm writing because I read that Andy says not to use analgesiacs like tylenol and acetaminophen because of glutathione problems in the liver (which I have.) But my lower left jaw really aches at night and, well, what can I take for it? Is there any painkiller, prescription or otherwise that doesn't mess with the glutathione problem? What about Soma (carisoprodol.) ----------I'm not familiar with Soma, so I have no idea about that. On page 134 of AI, Andy lists aspirin, Celebrex, and magnesium for pain. I think I also read that high doses of Vit C can be a pain killer, and you should be taking plenty of it anyway, after dental work. So maybe up your Vit Cand magnesium, and try good ole aspirin. And to be honest, I think I used Advil after my dental work, because it was something I was used to taking, before I got into all of this stuff. And it was for short term use, so I don't think it was a *real* bad thing to do.----------Jackie Thanks! (and, btw, the surprised dentist found gobs of amalgam under those crowns, much of it right next to gold -- no wonder I was having problems.. still am...) ----------Very glad you got that out. I always cringe when I hear about people having gold and amalgam. Are you amalgam-free now?---------Jackie ~robin ._,_.___ Messages in this topic (1) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic Messages MARKETPLACE ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Earn your degree in as few as 2 years - Advance your career with an AS, BS, MS degree - College-Finder.net. Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch format to Traditional Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe Recent Activity a.. 12New Members b.. 1New Links Visit Your Group Meditation and Lovingkindness A Yahoo! Group to share and learn. Yahoo! Health Heartburn or Worse What symptoms are most serious? Yahoo! Groups Lawn & Garden ideas and tips for a green thumb. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2008 Report Share Posted January 23, 2008 Thanks Jackie and , I've been up all night as nothing seems to work for that darn tooth pain... morphine sounds very good to me right now (and, I'm pretty sure it's the easiest thing on the body.) My other problem is that, while lying awake, I couldn't help but think of all that mercury I must have inhaled and swallowed during the surgery. The first day (6 hours in the chair) the dentist did great and I felt nothing, no leakage, no pain afterward (but there was very little mercury in those 6 teeth.) The second day he did only three teeth but the first tooth was loaded with gobs of mercury (and had gold right next to it) and the rubber dam leaked and I felt all this stuff going down my throat. It was an awful sensation but we were all in the middle of getting through this ridiculous thing with my mouth all propped open and it was like, well, what's done is done. I felt okay (considering..) but over the days since that second procedure, my mercury symptoms have continued to escalate. Yesterday was the worst so far and that's five days after the procedure. (The procedure ended Thursday night.) Maybe it takes that long for the mercury to start getting resettled? Anyway, my mind is terribly foggy and my coordination is off and I just don't feel good. A little scared too. So the big pain that's been developing in the one tooth isn't helping matters. I want to keep my liver as clean as possible so I'm trying not to bother it with filtering pain-killers on top of metal detox and that's why I'm looking for organic " kind-to-the-body " pain killers if such a thing exists... , when you said " morphine " did you mean in a pill like Percocet or one of those? As you rightly guessed, Jackie, I'm on tons of Vitamin C and magnesium, drinking lots of water, that sort of thing. I've done an hour in a sauna each day while I drink a half gallon of electrolyte water there. I even did a colon hydrotherapy (even though I read that Andy is against them) in the hopes that I could just move things out as quickly as possible before they settled too much. Today I'll do acupuncture for the liver and also something called hydrotherapy (I've never tried it but the acupuncturist swears it will help. If anyone knows different please share. I don't want anything else to get screwed up...) It's obviously costing me a fortune but I need to know I've tried everything in order to keep this problem temporary...) And, yeah, all the gold and amalgam is out of my mouth, finally!, so my mouth doesn't taste quite as much like tin foil; It's felt as though I had a big piece of aluminum foil stuck in there at all times since my first chelation, hard to eat food.. Probably from gold/amalgam combo? Thanks for your concerns! I have to admit, I'm really suffering right now and so am soaking up any advice and support I can get. I've always had a pretty good brain to rely on but it's scattered as can be now. And just so you don't all think I'm absolutely insane for having 11 hours of oral surgery done in a couple days. Besides wanting to get the gold/amalgam out fast and besides having to work within a tight dentist office schedule, I needed enough time to get the porcelain made before February 5 because... I promised my dad, a few weeks ago, I'd join him and my very dementia'd (and now very ill) mom as a sort of nurse/babysitter and travel-helper on a 2 month stay at this (yucky!) house in Hawaii he'd planned a long time ago. It starts February 5. This will be her last trip and is a place they've gone annually for the last 20 years. I couldn't stand to see him so dejected when the doctor told him not to go (too late to get his money back too) and so I volunteered to help him get her and the bags on and off the plane (she has oxygen/wheelchair and he has golf clubs) and then babysit her over there so he could play golf in the sun. If you saw his face light up when I suggested I'd help, you'd probably do something crazy like schedule that much surgery at one time too :-) For the record, however, I certainly don't recommend it. Sorry for the long rambling note. Thanks for the support! Any other pain/recovery tips welcome... ~robin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2008 Report Share Posted January 23, 2008 Thanks Jackie and , I've been up all night as nothing seems to work for that darn tooth pain... morphine sounds very good to me right now (and, I'm pretty sure it's the easiest thing on the body.) My other problem is that, while lying awake, I couldn't help but think of all that mercury I must have inhaled and swallowed during the surgery. The first day (6 hours in the chair) the dentist did great and I felt nothing, no leakage, no pain afterward (but there was very little mercury in those 6 teeth.) The second day he did only three teeth but the first tooth was loaded with gobs of mercury (and had gold right next to it) and the rubber dam leaked and I felt all this stuff going down my throat. It was an awful sensation but we were all in the middle of getting through this ridiculous thing with my mouth all propped open and it was like, well, what's done is done. I felt okay (considering..) but over the days since that second procedure, my mercury symptoms have continued to escalate. Yesterday was the worst so far and that's five days after the procedure. (The procedure ended Thursday night.) Maybe it takes that long for the mercury to start getting resettled? Anyway, my mind is terribly foggy and my coordination is off and I just don't feel good. A little scared too. So the big pain that's been developing in the one tooth isn't helping matters. I want to keep my liver as clean as possible so I'm trying not to bother it with filtering pain-killers on top of metal detox and that's why I'm looking for organic " kind-to-the-body " pain killers if such a thing exists... , when you said " morphine " did you mean in a pill like Percocet or one of those? As you rightly guessed, Jackie, I'm on tons of Vitamin C and magnesium, drinking lots of water, that sort of thing. I've done an hour in a sauna each day while I drink a half gallon of electrolyte water there. I even did a colon hydrotherapy (even though I read that Andy is against them) in the hopes that I could just move things out as quickly as possible before they settled too much. Today I'll do acupuncture for the liver and also something called hydrotherapy (I've never tried it but the acupuncturist swears it will help. If anyone knows different please share. I don't want anything else to get screwed up...) It's obviously costing me a fortune but I need to know I've tried everything in order to keep this problem temporary...) And, yeah, all the gold and amalgam is out of my mouth, finally!, so my mouth doesn't taste quite as much like tin foil; It's felt as though I had a big piece of aluminum foil stuck in there at all times since my first chelation, hard to eat food.. Probably from gold/amalgam combo? Thanks for your concerns! I have to admit, I'm really suffering right now and so am soaking up any advice and support I can get. I've always had a pretty good brain to rely on but it's scattered as can be now. And just so you don't all think I'm absolutely insane for having 11 hours of oral surgery done in a couple days. Besides wanting to get the gold/amalgam out fast and besides having to work within a tight dentist office schedule, I needed enough time to get the porcelain made before February 5 because... I promised my dad, a few weeks ago, I'd join him and my very dementia'd (and now very ill) mom as a sort of nurse/babysitter and travel-helper on a 2 month stay at this (yucky!) house in Hawaii he'd planned a long time ago. It starts February 5. This will be her last trip and is a place they've gone annually for the last 20 years. I couldn't stand to see him so dejected when the doctor told him not to go (too late to get his money back too) and so I volunteered to help him get her and the bags on and off the plane (she has oxygen/wheelchair and he has golf clubs) and then babysit her over there so he could play golf in the sun. If you saw his face light up when I suggested I'd help, you'd probably do something crazy like schedule that much surgery at one time too :-) For the record, however, I certainly don't recommend it. Sorry for the long rambling note. Thanks for the support! Any other pain/recovery tips welcome... ~robin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2008 Report Share Posted January 23, 2008 > > I felt okay (considering..) but over the days since that second > procedure, my mercury symptoms have continued to escalate. A vitamin C IV would likely help, if there is someone around who knows how to give them. Be sure that they DON'T put any glutathione in the IV. > > Anyway, my mind is terribly foggy Alka Seltzer gold and my coordination is off and I > just don't feel good. A little scared too. So the big pain that's been > developing in the one tooth isn't helping matters. Pain can be very distracting, and tooth pain can be very severe. The oral surgeon gave my daughter Dilaudid when she had wisdom teeth removed. Perhaps the dentist could write a script for something. Tell him that you are avoiding NSAIDs because they will damage your gut and Tylenol because of liver and kidney damage. I want to keep my > liver as clean as possible so I'm trying not to bother it with > filtering pain-killers on top of metal detox and that's why I'm > looking for organic " kind-to-the-body " pain killers if such a thing > exists... For serious pain the pain specialists give narcotics because there is less damage to the liver and kidneys (most of the patients are on these over the long term). > > , when you said " morphine " did you mean in a pill like Percocet > or one of those? > My memory tells me it was time release morphine. Percocet, I believe, has a couple of things in it. I would have to look it up or ask my walking pain dictionary friend. > As you rightly guessed, Jackie, I'm on tons of Vitamin C and > magnesium, drinking lots of water, that sort of thing. I've done an > hour in a sauna each day while I drink a half gallon of electrolyte > water there. The sauna is good, especially with lots of water and electrolytes, and don't overdo it time wise. Apparently dry saunas are easier of the adrenals than wet. J Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2008 Report Share Posted January 23, 2008 > > I felt okay (considering..) but over the days since that second > procedure, my mercury symptoms have continued to escalate. A vitamin C IV would likely help, if there is someone around who knows how to give them. Be sure that they DON'T put any glutathione in the IV. > > Anyway, my mind is terribly foggy Alka Seltzer gold and my coordination is off and I > just don't feel good. A little scared too. So the big pain that's been > developing in the one tooth isn't helping matters. Pain can be very distracting, and tooth pain can be very severe. The oral surgeon gave my daughter Dilaudid when she had wisdom teeth removed. Perhaps the dentist could write a script for something. Tell him that you are avoiding NSAIDs because they will damage your gut and Tylenol because of liver and kidney damage. I want to keep my > liver as clean as possible so I'm trying not to bother it with > filtering pain-killers on top of metal detox and that's why I'm > looking for organic " kind-to-the-body " pain killers if such a thing > exists... For serious pain the pain specialists give narcotics because there is less damage to the liver and kidneys (most of the patients are on these over the long term). > > , when you said " morphine " did you mean in a pill like Percocet > or one of those? > My memory tells me it was time release morphine. Percocet, I believe, has a couple of things in it. I would have to look it up or ask my walking pain dictionary friend. > As you rightly guessed, Jackie, I'm on tons of Vitamin C and > magnesium, drinking lots of water, that sort of thing. I've done an > hour in a sauna each day while I drink a half gallon of electrolyte > water there. The sauna is good, especially with lots of water and electrolytes, and don't overdo it time wise. Apparently dry saunas are easier of the adrenals than wet. J Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2008 Report Share Posted January 23, 2008 I've read honey can help. I've also read that Cinnamon and Peppermint can be helpful for mouth pain. Also, make sure to limit caffiene and other caffiene containing foods as this can cause the pain to be worse. Oh, one other thing that can help is meditative stomach/diaphram breathing. Meaning to breath with your diaphram and not your chest. Good breaths, like 4 seconds in through the nose, hold for 7 seconds and then breath for 9 seconds out of the mouth. Choose the time that you want or feel comfortable with. Concentrate on the breath, thinking about the cool air coming in to sooth you and the air going out taking the pain and toxins in the body away. Do this for 5 or so breaths (or how ever many you choose) every so often throughout the day. This type of breathing is very useful for a lot of things. Stress, anxiety, pain, fatigue, etc. Thanks, Mike > > > > As I think I mentioned here, I ended up having to get 9 crowns > > replaced last week, 11 hours over 2 days, because it was the absolute > > only time we could do it; I have to leave for 2 months soon and there > > was only this opening... It went better than expected except for some > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2008 Report Share Posted January 23, 2008 I've read honey can help. I've also read that Cinnamon and Peppermint can be helpful for mouth pain. Also, make sure to limit caffiene and other caffiene containing foods as this can cause the pain to be worse. Oh, one other thing that can help is meditative stomach/diaphram breathing. Meaning to breath with your diaphram and not your chest. Good breaths, like 4 seconds in through the nose, hold for 7 seconds and then breath for 9 seconds out of the mouth. Choose the time that you want or feel comfortable with. Concentrate on the breath, thinking about the cool air coming in to sooth you and the air going out taking the pain and toxins in the body away. Do this for 5 or so breaths (or how ever many you choose) every so often throughout the day. This type of breathing is very useful for a lot of things. Stress, anxiety, pain, fatigue, etc. Thanks, Mike > > > > As I think I mentioned here, I ended up having to get 9 crowns > > replaced last week, 11 hours over 2 days, because it was the absolute > > only time we could do it; I have to leave for 2 months soon and there > > was only this opening... It went better than expected except for some > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2008 Report Share Posted January 23, 2008 I've read honey can help. I've also read that Cinnamon and Peppermint can be helpful for mouth pain. Also, make sure to limit caffiene and other caffiene containing foods as this can cause the pain to be worse. Oh, one other thing that can help is meditative stomach/diaphram breathing. Meaning to breath with your diaphram and not your chest. Good breaths, like 4 seconds in through the nose, hold for 7 seconds and then breath for 9 seconds out of the mouth. Choose the time that you want or feel comfortable with. Concentrate on the breath, thinking about the cool air coming in to sooth you and the air going out taking the pain and toxins in the body away. Do this for 5 or so breaths (or how ever many you choose) every so often throughout the day. This type of breathing is very useful for a lot of things. Stress, anxiety, pain, fatigue, etc. Thanks, Mike > > > > As I think I mentioned here, I ended up having to get 9 crowns > > replaced last week, 11 hours over 2 days, because it was the absolute > > only time we could do it; I have to leave for 2 months soon and there > > was only this opening... It went better than expected except for some > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2008 Report Share Posted January 23, 2008 In frequent-dose-chelation robin ann wrote: Thanks Jackie and , I've been up all night as nothing seems to work for that darn tooth pain... morphine sounds very good to me right now (and, I'm pretty sure it's the easiest thing on the body.) ---------I was given morphine after my surgery in December, and it was part of the " Comfort Pack " from Hospice for my mom. I was surprised that they left a drug like that for family to administer. It was a liquid, and you just put a few drops in the mouth and it is absorbed from there. Anyway, that's what I know about morphine.----------Jackie My other problem is that, while lying awake, I couldn't help but think of all that mercury I must have inhaled and swallowed during the surgery. The first day (6 hours in the chair) the dentist did great and I felt nothing, no leakage, no pain afterward (but there was very little mercury in those 6 teeth.) The second day he did only three teeth but the first tooth was loaded with gobs of mercury (and had gold right next to it) and the rubber dam leaked and I felt all this stuff going down my throat. It was an awful sensation but we were all in the middle of getting through this ridiculous thing with my mouth all propped open and it was like, well, what's done is done. ----------Probably too late now, but activated charcoal taken before and after may have helped mop up whatever got in your gut.----------Jackie I felt okay (considering..) but over the days since that second procedure, my mercury symptoms have continued to escalate. Yesterday was the worst so far and that's five days after the procedure. (The procedure ended Thursday night.) Maybe it takes that long for the mercury to start getting resettled? ---------Since it has been more than 4 days, then it would be ok for you to try chelation with DMSA at low doses. Might help with symptoms.-------Jackie Anyway, my mind is terribly foggy and my coordination is off and I just don't feel good. A little scared too. So the big pain that's been developing in the one tooth isn't helping matters. ------------Huggins has said that some teeth won't survive the removal and replacement of amalgam, it is just too much for them, and they may die. So keep that in mind, that this filling may have been too deep, and the pain might be from it dying. I don't want to scare you and the pain may resolve, but I wanted you to be aware of this as a possible cause.---------Jackie I want to keep my liver as clean as possible so I'm trying not to bother it with filtering pain-killers on top of metal detox and that's why I'm looking for organic " kind-to-the-body " pain killers if such a thing exists... , when you said " morphine " did you mean in a pill like Percocet or one of those? ----------Like I mentioned above, I know it comes in liquid, but I have no idea how you get prescribed it.-----------Jackie As you rightly guessed, Jackie, I'm on tons of Vitamin C and magnesium, drinking lots of water, that sort of thing. I've done an hour in a sauna each day while I drink a half gallon of electrolyte water there. I even did a colon hydrotherapy (even though I read that Andy is against them) in the hopes that I could just move things out as quickly as possible before they settled too much. Today I'll do acupuncture for the liver and also something called hydrotherapy (I've never tried it but the acupuncturist swears it will help. If anyone knows different please share. I don't want anything else to get screwed up...) It's obviously costing me a fortune but I need to know I've tried everything in order to keep this problem temporary...) ----------As mentioned a Vit C IV would probably help, if you can get one. They weren't available to me, so I've never had one. Or how about lymphatic massage? Would probably feel good, anyway.---------Jackie And, yeah, all the gold and amalgam is out of my mouth, finally!, so my mouth doesn't taste quite as much like tin foil; It's felt as though I had a big piece of aluminum foil stuck in there at all times since my first chelation, hard to eat food.. Probably from gold/amalgam combo? Thanks for your concerns! I have to admit, I'm really suffering right now and so am soaking up any advice and support I can get. I've always had a pretty good brain to rely on but it's scattered as can be now. ------------Hopefully all temporary things from the removals. You could try Alka Seltzer Gold, and see if it helps.------------Jackie And just so you don't all think I'm absolutely insane for having 11 hours of oral surgery done in a couple days. Besides wanting to get the gold/amalgam out fast and besides having to work within a tight dentist office schedule, I needed enough time to get the porcelain made before February 5 because... I promised my dad, a few weeks ago, I'd join him and my very dementia'd (and now very ill) mom as a sort of nurse/babysitter and travel-helper on a 2 month stay at this (yucky!) house in Hawaii he'd planned a long time ago. It starts February 5. This will be her last trip and is a place they've gone annually for the last 20 years. I couldn't stand to see him so dejected when the doctor told him not to go (too late to get his money back too) and so I volunteered to help him get her and the bags on and off the plane (she has oxygen/wheelchair and he has golf clubs) and then babysit her over there so he could play golf in the sun. If you saw his face light up when I suggested I'd help, you'd probably do something crazy like schedule that much surgery at one time too :-) ----------I certainly understand, been there done that with my parents, and would do it again, even though I know it wasn't good for me. Although you probably just should have waited until after you got back to do your dental work --------Jackie For the record, however, I certainly don't recommend it. Sorry for the long rambling note. Thanks for the support! Any other pain/recovery tips welcome... ~robin ._,_.___ Messages in this topic (5) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic Messages MARKETPLACE ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Earn your degree in as few as 2 years - Advance your career with an AS, BS, MS degree - College-Finder.net. Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch format to Traditional Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe Recent Activity a.. 13New Members b.. 2New Links Visit Your Group Meditation and Lovingkindness A Yahoo! Group to share and learn. Yahoo! Health Early Detection Know the symptoms of breast cancer. Search Ads Get new customers. List your web site in Yahoo! Search. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2008 Report Share Posted January 23, 2008 In frequent-dose-chelation robin ann wrote: Thanks Jackie and , I've been up all night as nothing seems to work for that darn tooth pain... morphine sounds very good to me right now (and, I'm pretty sure it's the easiest thing on the body.) ---------I was given morphine after my surgery in December, and it was part of the " Comfort Pack " from Hospice for my mom. I was surprised that they left a drug like that for family to administer. It was a liquid, and you just put a few drops in the mouth and it is absorbed from there. Anyway, that's what I know about morphine.----------Jackie My other problem is that, while lying awake, I couldn't help but think of all that mercury I must have inhaled and swallowed during the surgery. The first day (6 hours in the chair) the dentist did great and I felt nothing, no leakage, no pain afterward (but there was very little mercury in those 6 teeth.) The second day he did only three teeth but the first tooth was loaded with gobs of mercury (and had gold right next to it) and the rubber dam leaked and I felt all this stuff going down my throat. It was an awful sensation but we were all in the middle of getting through this ridiculous thing with my mouth all propped open and it was like, well, what's done is done. ----------Probably too late now, but activated charcoal taken before and after may have helped mop up whatever got in your gut.----------Jackie I felt okay (considering..) but over the days since that second procedure, my mercury symptoms have continued to escalate. Yesterday was the worst so far and that's five days after the procedure. (The procedure ended Thursday night.) Maybe it takes that long for the mercury to start getting resettled? ---------Since it has been more than 4 days, then it would be ok for you to try chelation with DMSA at low doses. Might help with symptoms.-------Jackie Anyway, my mind is terribly foggy and my coordination is off and I just don't feel good. A little scared too. So the big pain that's been developing in the one tooth isn't helping matters. ------------Huggins has said that some teeth won't survive the removal and replacement of amalgam, it is just too much for them, and they may die. So keep that in mind, that this filling may have been too deep, and the pain might be from it dying. I don't want to scare you and the pain may resolve, but I wanted you to be aware of this as a possible cause.---------Jackie I want to keep my liver as clean as possible so I'm trying not to bother it with filtering pain-killers on top of metal detox and that's why I'm looking for organic " kind-to-the-body " pain killers if such a thing exists... , when you said " morphine " did you mean in a pill like Percocet or one of those? ----------Like I mentioned above, I know it comes in liquid, but I have no idea how you get prescribed it.-----------Jackie As you rightly guessed, Jackie, I'm on tons of Vitamin C and magnesium, drinking lots of water, that sort of thing. I've done an hour in a sauna each day while I drink a half gallon of electrolyte water there. I even did a colon hydrotherapy (even though I read that Andy is against them) in the hopes that I could just move things out as quickly as possible before they settled too much. Today I'll do acupuncture for the liver and also something called hydrotherapy (I've never tried it but the acupuncturist swears it will help. If anyone knows different please share. I don't want anything else to get screwed up...) It's obviously costing me a fortune but I need to know I've tried everything in order to keep this problem temporary...) ----------As mentioned a Vit C IV would probably help, if you can get one. They weren't available to me, so I've never had one. Or how about lymphatic massage? Would probably feel good, anyway.---------Jackie And, yeah, all the gold and amalgam is out of my mouth, finally!, so my mouth doesn't taste quite as much like tin foil; It's felt as though I had a big piece of aluminum foil stuck in there at all times since my first chelation, hard to eat food.. Probably from gold/amalgam combo? Thanks for your concerns! I have to admit, I'm really suffering right now and so am soaking up any advice and support I can get. I've always had a pretty good brain to rely on but it's scattered as can be now. ------------Hopefully all temporary things from the removals. You could try Alka Seltzer Gold, and see if it helps.------------Jackie And just so you don't all think I'm absolutely insane for having 11 hours of oral surgery done in a couple days. Besides wanting to get the gold/amalgam out fast and besides having to work within a tight dentist office schedule, I needed enough time to get the porcelain made before February 5 because... I promised my dad, a few weeks ago, I'd join him and my very dementia'd (and now very ill) mom as a sort of nurse/babysitter and travel-helper on a 2 month stay at this (yucky!) house in Hawaii he'd planned a long time ago. It starts February 5. This will be her last trip and is a place they've gone annually for the last 20 years. I couldn't stand to see him so dejected when the doctor told him not to go (too late to get his money back too) and so I volunteered to help him get her and the bags on and off the plane (she has oxygen/wheelchair and he has golf clubs) and then babysit her over there so he could play golf in the sun. If you saw his face light up when I suggested I'd help, you'd probably do something crazy like schedule that much surgery at one time too :-) ----------I certainly understand, been there done that with my parents, and would do it again, even though I know it wasn't good for me. Although you probably just should have waited until after you got back to do your dental work --------Jackie For the record, however, I certainly don't recommend it. Sorry for the long rambling note. Thanks for the support! Any other pain/recovery tips welcome... ~robin ._,_.___ Messages in this topic (5) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic Messages MARKETPLACE ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Earn your degree in as few as 2 years - Advance your career with an AS, BS, MS degree - College-Finder.net. Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch format to Traditional Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe Recent Activity a.. 13New Members b.. 2New Links Visit Your Group Meditation and Lovingkindness A Yahoo! Group to share and learn. Yahoo! Health Early Detection Know the symptoms of breast cancer. Search Ads Get new customers. List your web site in Yahoo! Search. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2008 Report Share Posted January 23, 2008 Thank you thank you thank you everybody... (and I haven't even read the group emails from today yet) BUT I did follow your advice and spent the entire day from (literally from 9AM to 4PM, doing various therapies that, incredibly enough, WORKED. wow. I started with a colonic this morning. Next was 3 separate " pushes " (kind of like big fat injections) of vitamin C, magnesium (Meyers Push) and Lipostabil (phosphytadyl choline.) Then I got some hydrotherapy followed by a great acupuncture session (and NAET test) to clear the liver and help digestion. All day LOTS of fluids (like my homemade chicken/root broth) I felt pretty great by the end of the day (especially when you consider no sleep last night and how sick and miserable I still was this morning.) And then, when I got to my door, a package from Drugstore.com was there and in it: Alka Seltzer Gold (something I've not been able to find here in Bend) So I even tried that. I feel so good that I'm running around a bit trying to clean my kitchen. Next I'll take a sauna. I'll start at low doses of DMSA the day after tomorrow. I'm jazzed. Oh and as for the pain remedy, it turns out that the Soma -- http://www.drugs.com/soma.html -- works differently than the other pain meds and " apparently " (at least the pharmacist told me) doesn't cause too much stress to the liver. So I have it on hand in case the pain comes back like it did the last few nights (especially last night.) Actually, now that I'm sitting still here it's starting to come on strong. ack. Will gargle with salt to help with bacteria... So thanks again everybody. I was really struggling, depressed, well, since last Thursday and, while certainly not all the way back, I at least feel strong enough to start the chelation. Finally. yay. ~robin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2008 Report Share Posted January 23, 2008 Thank you thank you thank you everybody... (and I haven't even read the group emails from today yet) BUT I did follow your advice and spent the entire day from (literally from 9AM to 4PM, doing various therapies that, incredibly enough, WORKED. wow. I started with a colonic this morning. Next was 3 separate " pushes " (kind of like big fat injections) of vitamin C, magnesium (Meyers Push) and Lipostabil (phosphytadyl choline.) Then I got some hydrotherapy followed by a great acupuncture session (and NAET test) to clear the liver and help digestion. All day LOTS of fluids (like my homemade chicken/root broth) I felt pretty great by the end of the day (especially when you consider no sleep last night and how sick and miserable I still was this morning.) And then, when I got to my door, a package from Drugstore.com was there and in it: Alka Seltzer Gold (something I've not been able to find here in Bend) So I even tried that. I feel so good that I'm running around a bit trying to clean my kitchen. Next I'll take a sauna. I'll start at low doses of DMSA the day after tomorrow. I'm jazzed. Oh and as for the pain remedy, it turns out that the Soma -- http://www.drugs.com/soma.html -- works differently than the other pain meds and " apparently " (at least the pharmacist told me) doesn't cause too much stress to the liver. So I have it on hand in case the pain comes back like it did the last few nights (especially last night.) Actually, now that I'm sitting still here it's starting to come on strong. ack. Will gargle with salt to help with bacteria... So thanks again everybody. I was really struggling, depressed, well, since last Thursday and, while certainly not all the way back, I at least feel strong enough to start the chelation. Finally. yay. ~robin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2008 Report Share Posted January 23, 2008 Thank you thank you thank you everybody... (and I haven't even read the group emails from today yet) BUT I did follow your advice and spent the entire day from (literally from 9AM to 4PM, doing various therapies that, incredibly enough, WORKED. wow. I started with a colonic this morning. Next was 3 separate " pushes " (kind of like big fat injections) of vitamin C, magnesium (Meyers Push) and Lipostabil (phosphytadyl choline.) Then I got some hydrotherapy followed by a great acupuncture session (and NAET test) to clear the liver and help digestion. All day LOTS of fluids (like my homemade chicken/root broth) I felt pretty great by the end of the day (especially when you consider no sleep last night and how sick and miserable I still was this morning.) And then, when I got to my door, a package from Drugstore.com was there and in it: Alka Seltzer Gold (something I've not been able to find here in Bend) So I even tried that. I feel so good that I'm running around a bit trying to clean my kitchen. Next I'll take a sauna. I'll start at low doses of DMSA the day after tomorrow. I'm jazzed. Oh and as for the pain remedy, it turns out that the Soma -- http://www.drugs.com/soma.html -- works differently than the other pain meds and " apparently " (at least the pharmacist told me) doesn't cause too much stress to the liver. So I have it on hand in case the pain comes back like it did the last few nights (especially last night.) Actually, now that I'm sitting still here it's starting to come on strong. ack. Will gargle with salt to help with bacteria... So thanks again everybody. I was really struggling, depressed, well, since last Thursday and, while certainly not all the way back, I at least feel strong enough to start the chelation. Finally. yay. ~robin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2008 Report Share Posted January 27, 2008 I've been really busy trying to get stuff packed for a 2 month trip but wanted to update this thread. For pain that's stronger than Aspirin can handle, the pain killer that seemed to work best for me was Percodan. I only take 1/2 of one and it takes away the pain well enough (it's not shooting pain anymore so I take 1/2 a tablet each night.) It's an old-fashioned remedy that contains aspirin and oxycodone, a potent opioid agonist. So the one to avoid is Percocet becasue it has the Tylenol with it.. (I would not have been able to get it prescribed had I not shown my dentist Andy's book where he says no the several of the antiinflammatories that are regularly prescribed. I can sleep okay on the Percodan, not great, but I'm in the middle of a DMSA 12.5 chelation and sleep is pretty yucky anyway. Since I have fast metabolism I'm taken the DMSA every 3 hours. I hope that's okay? By the way, my dentist said that aspirin combined with an antihistamine like Benadryl works pretty well for inflamation. I just hate the way antihistamines make me feel and so I haven't tried it.. It's been one day and I must say that, while I don't feel any overt bad symptoms from the chelation, I just feel kind of yucky and out of it. I know there's a residual oral surgery issue but the DMSA can't be helping? ~robin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2008 Report Share Posted January 28, 2008 > > I've been really busy trying to get stuff packed for a 2 month trip > but wanted to update this thread. > > For pain that's stronger than Aspirin can handle, the pain killer that > seemed to work best for me was Percodan. I only take 1/2 of one and > it takes away the pain well enough (it's not shooting pain anymore so > I take 1/2 a tablet each night.) It's an old-fashioned remedy that > contains aspirin and oxycodone, a potent opioid agonist. So the one to > avoid is Percocet becasue it has the Tylenol with it.. (I would not > have been able to get it prescribed had I not shown my dentist Andy's > book where he says no the several of the antiinflammatories that are > regularly prescribed. > > I can sleep okay on the Percodan, not great, but I'm in the middle of > a DMSA 12.5 chelation and sleep is pretty yucky anyway. > > Since I have fast metabolism I'm taken the DMSA every 3 hours. I hope > that's okay? > Yes. It's always ok to take the chelator at intervals less than the half life, as long as you are consistent through the round. > By the way, my dentist said that aspirin combined with an > antihistamine like Benadryl works pretty well for inflamation. I just > hate the way antihistamines make me feel and so I haven't tried it.. > Sounds like the Percodan is working ok for what you need. > It's been one day and I must say that, while I don't feel any overt > bad symptoms from the chelation, I just feel kind of yucky and out of > it. I know there's a residual oral surgery issue but the DMSA can't be > helping? > Chelation often does make a person feel yucky (it's really the moving mercury and metals). Good thing you started at a low dose. Side effects are often the most after you end the round (don't plan major events for that day, just in case). J > ~robin > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 22, 2008 Report Share Posted March 22, 2008 Welcome back from Hawai Robin. I've often wondered in the last 2 months how you coped with your dental surgery (11 hours) since you left, your struggle with your pain, how you coped with your parents, how your very ill stepmom is doing,etc. Do let us know. Since you've come back, we've started a dental chelation group where all dental stuff is discussed. maybe you can answer us your dental stuff there and the rest on this forum. Welcome again and where do you find yourself with chelation, Kai dental-chelation Re: Pain Relief? Thanks Jackie and , I've been up all night as nothing seems to work for that darn tooth pain... morphine sounds very good to me right now (and, I'm pretty sure it's the easiest thing on the body.) My other problem is that, while lying awake, I couldn't help but think of all that mercury I must have inhaled and swallowed during the surgery. The first day (6 hours in the chair) the dentist did great and I felt nothing, no leakage, no pain afterward (but there was very little mercury in those 6 teeth.) The second day he did only three teeth but the first tooth was loaded with gobs of mercury (and had gold right next to it) and the rubber dam leaked and I felt all this stuff going down my throat. It was an awful sensation but we were all in the middle of getting through this ridiculous thing with my mouth all propped open and it was like, well, what's done is done. I felt okay (considering..) but over the days since that second procedure, my mercury symptoms have continued to escalate. Yesterday was the worst so far and that's five days after the procedure. (The procedure ended Thursday night.) Maybe it takes that long for the mercury to start getting resettled? Anyway, my mind is terribly foggy and my coordination is off and I just don't feel good. A little scared too. So the big pain that's been developing in the one tooth isn't helping matters. I want to keep my liver as clean as possible so I'm trying not to bother it with filtering pain-killers on top of metal detox and that's why I'm looking for organic " kind-to-the-body " pain killers if such a thing exists... , when you said " morphine " did you mean in a pill like Percocet or one of those? As you rightly guessed, Jackie, I'm on tons of Vitamin C and magnesium, drinking lots of water, that sort of thing. I've done an hour in a sauna each day while I drink a half gallon of electrolyte water there. I even did a colon hydrotherapy (even though I read that Andy is against them) in the hopes that I could just move things out as quickly as possible before they settled too much. Today I'll do acupuncture for the liver and also something called hydrotherapy (I've never tried it but the acupuncturist swears it will help. If anyone knows different please share. I don't want anything else to get screwed up...) It's obviously costing me a fortune but I need to know I've tried everything in order to keep this problem temporary...) And, yeah, all the gold and amalgam is out of my mouth, finally!, so my mouth doesn't taste quite as much like tin foil; It's felt as though I had a big piece of aluminum foil stuck in there at all times since my first chelation, hard to eat food.. Probably from gold/amalgam combo? Thanks for your concerns! I have to admit, I'm really suffering right now and so am soaking up any advice and support I can get. I've always had a pretty good brain to rely on but it's scattered as can be now. And just so you don't all think I'm absolutely insane for having 11 hours of oral surgery done in a couple days. Besides wanting to get the gold/amalgam out fast and besides having to work within a tight dentist office schedule, I needed enough time to get the porcelain made before February 5 because... I promised my dad, a few weeks ago, I'd join him and my very dementia'd (and now very ill) mom as a sort of nurse/babysitter and travel-helper on a 2 month stay at this (yucky!) house in Hawaii he'd planned a long time ago. It starts February 5. This will be her last trip and is a place they've gone annually for the last 20 years. I couldn't stand to see him so dejected when the doctor told him not to go (too late to get his money back too) and so I volunteered to help him get her and the bags on and off the plane (she has oxygen/wheelchair and he has golf clubs) and then babysit her over there so he could play golf in the sun. If you saw his face light up when I suggested I'd help, you'd probably do something crazy like schedule that much surgery at one time too :-) For the record, however, I certainly don't recommend it. Sorry for the long rambling note. Thanks for the support! Any other pain/recovery tips welcome... ~robin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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