Re: Major Depression just mercury poisoning? Question for Andy Cutler

[Guest guest]

Andy doesn't read here very often and doesn't read every post. In the

past he has asked people to email him the post number for questions

that are important.

J

> >

> > Andy Cutler believes most people suffering from major depression are

> > just mercury poisoned. I hope he can explain how he came to this

> > conclusion and share his findings and data he collected.

> >

>

> This ought to be good.

>

[Guest guest]

Andy doesn't read here very often and doesn't read every post. In the

past he has asked people to email him the post number for questions

that are important.

J

> >

> > Andy Cutler believes most people suffering from major depression are

> > just mercury poisoned. I hope he can explain how he came to this

> > conclusion and share his findings and data he collected.

> >

>

> This ought to be good.

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Andy Cutler believes most people suffering from major depression are

> just mercury poisoned. I hope he can explain how he came to this

> conclusion and share his findings and data he collected.

>

I'm not going to write a massive academic tome here, but will outline my

reasoning.

I believe other toxic metals (and other toxins) could cause this too.

All the cases of major depression I've been able to get relevant tests and

history on had

heavy metal toxicity. Some of these people chelated, and those who did

improved. They

also have a very high rate of comorbidity with other heavy metal/mercury related

problems, which would not be expected if major depression were due to something

else.

There are obvious biochemical routes through which mercury could cause major

depression, e. g. reduction of cyclic AMP levels in the brain.

Since major depression is clearly not a survival trait, one would not expect

there to be a

genetic susceptibility to it since this would have quickly gone extinct in cave

man days.

The standard medical treatments are clearly ineffective in the long term,

meaning they're

not doing anythhing about the cause of the problem. Ditto for psychiatric

stuff.

Since medical research is very much like the joke about the drunken bum looking

for his

wallet under the streetlamp where it is light instead of in the dark alley where

he dropped

it, the massive tidal waves of journal papers on this subject are almost all

irrelevant and

don't contain the information needed to make any real estimate of what fraction

of people

with major depression have heavy metal (mostly mercury) toxicity.

So all I can really say is that a lot of people with major depression have heavy

metal

problems as the cause of it, maybe most of them. My best estimate is in the

95%+

category.

Andy

[Guest guest]

I'm living proof of this. I took all those meds. NONE of which worked,

or cured me, or made me better. I saw the shrinks.

I saw tons of different doctors in all kinds of specialties. Not one

every mentioned checking me for metals. And if I suggested it, when

then that was further evidence I was crazy. I finally found an

Integrative Dentist in another state who believed me. I had 14 metal

fillings...so most of my molars! Beginning at age 10. She tested my

hair. I was not only mercury toxic, but had Lead poisoning also. It is

just a shame that most of the medical world never thinks to look at

poisons like metals and chemicals as the cause for disease, mental or

otherwise.

...the only thing that got rid of my deep depression, was removing my

metal fillings and chelating on this protocol. My research also points

to this as a major cause. That would explain why major depression was

nearly unheard of until the wide spread use of mercury amalgam began,

and now nearly everyone has mental problems. Major depression is

caused by a disturbance in the normal brain chemistry..poisons do

that. Mercury kills brain neurons and disrupts all the signals passing

between them.

Most notably poisoning of the hypothalamus with mercury causes BiPolar

disease.

> >

> > Andy Cutler believes most people suffering from major depression are

> > just mercury poisoned. I hope he can explain how he came to this

> > conclusion and share his findings and data he collected.

> >

> I'm not going to write a massive academic tome here, but will

outline my reasoning.

>

> I believe other toxic metals (and other toxins) could cause this too.

>

> All the cases of major depression I've been able to get relevant

tests and history on had

> heavy metal toxicity. Some of these people chelated, and those who

did improved. They

> also have a very high rate of comorbidity with other heavy

metal/mercury related

> problems, which would not be expected if major depression were due

to something else.

>

> There are obvious biochemical routes through which mercury could

cause major

> depression, e. g. reduction of cyclic AMP levels in the brain.

>

> Since major depression is clearly not a survival trait, one would

not expect there to be a

> genetic susceptibility to it since this would have quickly gone

extinct in cave man days.

>

> The standard medical treatments are clearly ineffective in the long

term, meaning they're

> not doing anythhing about the cause of the problem. Ditto for

psychiatric stuff.

>

> Since medical research is very much like the joke about the drunken

bum looking for his

> wallet under the streetlamp where it is light instead of in the dark

alley where he dropped

> it, the massive tidal waves of journal papers on this subject are

almost all irrelevant and

> don't contain the information needed to make any real estimate of

what fraction of people

> with major depression have heavy metal (mostly mercury) toxicity.

>

> So all I can really say is that a lot of people with major

depression have heavy metal

> problems as the cause of it, maybe most of them. My best estimate

is in the 95%+

> category.

>

> Andy

>

[Guest guest]

I lived with suicidal ideation for 2

years until a little voice whispered

" amalgams " into my ear. I can't

believe I'm still here. The pain

of depression is a hell I don't wish

on my worst enemy. 2 years of constant

crying, anger, and desperation with

no-one to turn to. After 5 rounds

of chelation I feel *MUCH* better,

but every once in a while after

a round, my demons come back to hunt me

really bad. I'm not sure how I've

made it this far, but after looking

down the barrel of my gun, all I could

see was my moms eyes and the sadness

of my funeral.

I'm *VERY*VERY* thankful to Andy and his

book. I found it at a time when I was

ready to throw in the towel, a time when

my life was covered by a darkness so

deep and sad it's hard to put words

to it. I remember my first round of

chelation, 3 days after I felt a peace

that " surpasses understanding " . It didn't

last long but it gave me the courage and

hope to keep at it.

God I feel so much better!

God have mercy on the people who

peddle that garbage called silver

fillings, even after hearing the

testimonials of survivors like us.

To all those suffering from suicidal

ideation, depression, and other forms of

mental illness:

*HANG IN THERE AND KEEP CHELATING*

*IT DOES GET MUCH BETTER*

Cheers,

Vince.

On Mon, 28 Jan 2008 18:12:46 -0000

" Jada " paxlforme@...> wrote:

> I'm living proof of this. I took all those meds. NONE of which worked,

> or cured me, or made me better. I saw the shrinks.

> I saw tons of different doctors in all kinds of specialties. Not one

> every mentioned checking me for metals. And if I suggested it, when

> then that was further evidence I was crazy. I finally found an

> Integrative Dentist in another state who believed me. I had 14 metal

> fillings...so most of my molars! Beginning at age 10. She tested my

> hair. I was not only mercury toxic, but had Lead poisoning also. It is

> just a shame that most of the medical world never thinks to look at

> poisons like metals and chemicals as the cause for disease, mental or

> otherwise.

>

> ..the only thing that got rid of my deep depression, was removing my

> metal fillings and chelating on this protocol. My research also points

> to this as a major cause. That would explain why major depression was

> nearly unheard of until the wide spread use of mercury amalgam began,

> and now nearly everyone has mental problems. Major depression is

> caused by a disturbance in the normal brain chemistry..poisons do

> that. Mercury kills brain neurons and disrupts all the signals passing

> between them.

> Most notably poisoning of the hypothalamus with mercury causes BiPolar

> disease.

>

>

>

> > >

> > > Andy Cutler believes most people suffering from major depression are

> > > just mercury poisoned. I hope he can explain how he came to this

> > > conclusion and share his findings and data he collected.

> > >

> > I'm not going to write a massive academic tome here, but will

> outline my reasoning.

> >

> > I believe other toxic metals (and other toxins) could cause this too.

> >

> > All the cases of major depression I've been able to get relevant

> tests and history on had

> > heavy metal toxicity. Some of these people chelated, and those who

> did improved. They

> > also have a very high rate of comorbidity with other heavy

> metal/mercury related

> > problems, which would not be expected if major depression were due

> to something else.

> >

> > There are obvious biochemical routes through which mercury could

> cause major

> > depression, e. g. reduction of cyclic AMP levels in the brain.

> >

> > Since major depression is clearly not a survival trait, one would

> not expect there to be a

> > genetic susceptibility to it since this would have quickly gone

> extinct in cave man days.

> >

> > The standard medical treatments are clearly ineffective in the long

> term, meaning they're

> > not doing anythhing about the cause of the problem. Ditto for

> psychiatric stuff.

> >

> > Since medical research is very much like the joke about the drunken

> bum looking for his

> > wallet under the streetlamp where it is light instead of in the dark

> alley where he dropped

> > it, the massive tidal waves of journal papers on this subject are

> almost all irrelevant and

> > don't contain the information needed to make any real estimate of

> what fraction of people

> > with major depression have heavy metal (mostly mercury) toxicity.

> >

> > So all I can really say is that a lot of people with major

> depression have heavy metal

> > problems as the cause of it, maybe most of them. My best estimate

> is in the 95%+

> > category.

> >

> > Andy

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Vince, thanks so much for sharing this with us. I am so glad to hear that

chelation is helping you. Thank goodness for that little voice, one of my

sister's gets messages too. I did not have depression no where near as bad as

you, but I felt like a *layer* or *blanket* of it was lifted off of me, just

with amalgam removal. So I'm curious, did you not notice any relief until you

started chelating? And please keep us posted on your progress, this is very

encouraging to hear! Good luck!---------Jackie

In frequent-dose-chelation Freeman wrote:

I lived with suicidal ideation for 2

years until a little voice whispered

" amalgams " into my ear. I can't

believe I'm still here. The pain

of depression is a hell I don't wish

on my worst enemy. 2 years of constant

crying, anger, and desperation with

no-one to turn to. After 5 rounds

of chelation I feel *MUCH* better,

but every once in a while after

a round, my demons come back to hunt me

really bad. I'm not sure how I've

made it this far, but after looking

down the barrel of my gun, all I could

see was my moms eyes and the sadness

of my funeral.

I'm *VERY*VERY* thankful to Andy and his

book. I found it at a time when I was

ready to throw in the towel, a time when

my life was covered by a darkness so

deep and sad it's hard to put words

to it. I remember my first round of

chelation, 3 days after I felt a peace

that " surpasses understanding " . It didn't

last long but it gave me the courage and

hope to keep at it.

God I feel so much better!

God have mercy on the people who

peddle that garbage called silver

fillings, even after hearing the

testimonials of survivors like us.

To all those suffering from suicidal

ideation, depression, and other forms of

mental illness:

*HANG IN THERE AND KEEP CHELATING*

*IT DOES GET MUCH BETTER*

Cheers,

Vince.

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Jackie,

God bless all the hard work you and

the others put on the list answering

question. Is because of helping hands

like yours, and s, and Andys, and

all the rest, that people like me are

getting better.

> So I'm curious, did you not notice

> any relief until you started chelating?

For me it went something like this:

For 3 years before and up to amalgam removal:

" I should kill myself, kill myself,

kill myself, kill myself, I'm worthless,

I'm pathetic, die, die, die "

After amalgam removal:

" Life sucks, the world sucks, I should

kill myself, I'm not good, I'm a looser,

I should end it all "

After 1st round of chelation:

" Well, life does suck, but maybe

I should hold off on the suicide "

After 3rd round of chelation:

" Well, life is a bummer, life

is hard, oh well, but now I'm not

bed redden, oh look a rainbow... "

And thing keep getting better.

The more I chelate the better I feel.

After 3 years of amalgam removal, and

5 chelation rounds my depression is

about 85% gone.

I do get blue every-once in a while,

and depressed a day or 2 after I stop

chelation, but Jesus!, I'm not

in that impenetrable darkness I

used to live in.

*IT DOES GET BETTER*, I can't stress

that enough.

To anybody reading this post that

is depressed and suicidal, please

understand this:

*IT DOES GET BETTER!*

Cheers,

Vince.

On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 10:00:13 -0600

" Jackie " jtrunt@...> wrote:

> Vince, thanks so much for sharing this with us. I am so glad to hear that

chelation is helping you. Thank goodness for that little voice, one of my

sister's gets messages too. I did not have depression no where near as bad as

you, but I felt like a *layer* or *blanket* of it was lifted off of me, just

with amalgam removal. So I'm curious, did you not notice any relief until you

started chelating? And please keep us posted on your progress, this is very

encouraging to hear! Good luck!---------Jackie

>

>

> In frequent-dose-chelation Freeman wrote:

>

> I lived with suicidal ideation for 2

> years until a little voice whispered

> " amalgams " into my ear. I can't

> believe I'm still here. The pain

> of depression is a hell I don't wish

> on my worst enemy. 2 years of constant

> crying, anger, and desperation with

> no-one to turn to. After 5 rounds

> of chelation I feel *MUCH* better,

> but every once in a while after

> a round, my demons come back to hunt me

> really bad. I'm not sure how I've

> made it this far, but after looking

> down the barrel of my gun, all I could

> see was my moms eyes and the sadness

> of my funeral.

>

> I'm *VERY*VERY* thankful to Andy and his

> book. I found it at a time when I was

> ready to throw in the towel, a time when

> my life was covered by a darkness so

> deep and sad it's hard to put words

> to it. I remember my first round of

> chelation, 3 days after I felt a peace

> that " surpasses understanding " . It didn't

> last long but it gave me the courage and

> hope to keep at it.

>

> God I feel so much better!

>

> God have mercy on the people who

> peddle that garbage called silver

> fillings, even after hearing the

> testimonials of survivors like us.

>

> To all those suffering from suicidal

> ideation, depression, and other forms of

> mental illness:

>

> *HANG IN THERE AND KEEP CHELATING*

> *IT DOES GET MUCH BETTER*

>

> Cheers,

>

> Vince.

>

>

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> The more I chelate the better I feel.

> After 3 years of amalgam removal, and

> 5 chelation rounds my depression is

> about 85% gone.

What a dramatic and encouraging testimony. Thanks for sharing. And

it's good to hear that dramatic recovery is possible without noticing

an immediate benefit from amalgam removal. I haven't felt any better

since mine were replaced in October and I'm hoping chelation will do

the trick eventually.

Did you only do 5 rounds of chelation in 3 years? (If so, how long

were these rounds?) Did you wait several years after amalgam removal

before starting chelation? What did you use -- DMSA, DMPS, ALA, other?

If I may ask, are you continuing to chelate, or do you think you've

plateaued and will no longer benefit from additional chelation?

Thanks,

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Thanks Vince, I really enjoyed reading your " diary of depression lifting " I

love hearing about such successes!

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Re: Re: Major Depression just mercury

poisoning? Question for Andy Cutler

Jackie,

God bless all the hard work you and

the others put on the list answering

question. Is because of helping hands

like yours, and s, and Andys, and

all the rest, that people like me are

getting better.

> So I'm curious, did you not notice

> any relief until you started chelating?

For me it went something like this:

For 3 years before and up to amalgam removal:

" I should kill myself, kill myself,

kill myself, kill myself, I'm worthless,

I'm pathetic, die, die, die "

After amalgam removal:

" Life sucks, the world sucks, I should

kill myself, I'm not good, I'm a looser,

I should end it all "

After 1st round of chelation:

" Well, life does suck, but maybe

I should hold off on the suicide "

After 3rd round of chelation:

" Well, life is a bummer, life

is hard, oh well, but now I'm not

bed redden, oh look a rainbow... "

And thing keep getting better.

The more I chelate the better I feel.

After 3 years of amalgam removal, and

5 chelation rounds my depression is

about 85% gone.

I do get blue every-once in a while,

and depressed a day or 2 after I stop

chelation, but Jesus!, I'm not

in that impenetrable darkness I

used to live in.

*IT DOES GET BETTER*, I can't stress

that enough.

To anybody reading this post that

is depressed and suicidal, please

understand this:

*IT DOES GET BETTER!*

Cheers,

Vince.

On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 10:00:13 -0600

" Jackie " jtrunt@...> wrote:

> Vince, thanks so much for sharing this with us. I am so glad to hear

that chelation is helping you. Thank goodness for that little voice, one of

my sister's gets messages too. I did not have depression no where near as

bad as you, but I felt like a *layer* or *blanket* of it was lifted off of

me, just with amalgam removal. So I'm curious, did you not notice any relief

until you started chelating? And please keep us posted on your progress,

this is very encouraging to hear! Good luck!---------Jackie

>

>

> In frequent-dose-chelation Freeman wrote:

>

> I lived with suicidal ideation for 2

> years until a little voice whispered

> " amalgams " into my ear. I can't

> believe I'm still here. The pain

> of depression is a hell I don't wish

> on my worst enemy. 2 years of constant

> crying, anger, and desperation with

> no-one to turn to. After 5 rounds

> of chelation I feel *MUCH* better,

> but every once in a while after

> a round, my demons come back to hunt me

> really bad. I'm not sure how I've

> made it this far, but after looking

> down the barrel of my gun, all I could

> see was my moms eyes and the sadness

> of my funeral.

>

> I'm *VERY*VERY* thankful to Andy and his

> book. I found it at a time when I was

> ready to throw in the towel, a time when

> my life was covered by a darkness so

> deep and sad it's hard to put words

> to it. I remember my first round of

> chelation, 3 days after I felt a peace

> that " surpasses understanding " . It didn't

> last long but it gave me the courage and

> hope to keep at it.

>

> God I feel so much better!

>

> God have mercy on the people who

> peddle that garbage called silver

> fillings, even after hearing the

> testimonials of survivors like us.

>

> To all those suffering from suicidal

> ideation, depression, and other forms of

> mental illness:

>

> *HANG IN THERE AND KEEP CHELATING*

> *IT DOES GET MUCH BETTER*

>

> Cheers,

>

> Vince.

>

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> And it's good to hear that dramatic recovery is possible without noticing

> an immediate benefit from amalgam removal.

To be honest, amalgam removal made me feel worse.

It was about 5 months before I started to feel

better. Is one of those things *YOU HAVE TO DO*

I you ever hope to get better.

> I haven't felt any better

> since mine were replaced in October and I'm hoping chelation will do

> the trick eventually.

*IT TAKES TIME... A LONG TIME*

Amalgam removal is just the beginning of

a *LONG* process, eternal if you don't

chelate. If you remove your amalgams

and don't chelate you will not get better

soon, if at all!

> Did you only do 5 rounds of chelation in 3 years?

Due to my amalgam illness, I was bed redden, and

unable to work (semi-homeless actually). I was

unable to stand, much less endure the rigors

of the workplace. My fiancee left me (with the words:

" Dating a homeless man isn't sexy " , if I recall correctly),

my friends left me (Ha! is all in your head...),

I ballooned to 420lbs (eating disorder 'they' said),

I lost my job due to the illness, and the depression,

desperation, and apathy left me with nothing but

the strength to plot my own death. So, no income,

no chelation. I went from working as a highly paid

software engineer, to working as a part-time janitor

at my local hospital. I could only afford to chelate

once or twice a year (It's very hard to survive

on $130 dollars a week.)

Amalgam illness is just like any other illness when

it comes to the economics of health care:

You are too week to work so you are broke,

you are too broke to get better. This was

the story of my life for the past 3 years.

Fortunately, after the 5 rounds of chelation

I was able to get a better job and work

more hours. Not full time, but enough to avoid

sleeping in the park. Now I'm saving for my

6th round.

> (If so, how long were these rounds?)

7 days on.

> Did you wait several years after amalgam removal

> before starting chelation?

My first round of chelation was about a year or

a year and a half after amalgam removal. It took

me a while to get my bearings and the money to

start. I was *REALLY* sick!

> What did you use -- DMSA, DMPS, ALA, other?

I presently only use ALA. I've used ALA/DMSA my 3rd round of

chelation and my suicidal ideation came back

with a vengeance. I felt really sick, like I was

about to die. So I have not used DSMA sciense

then.

> If I may ask, are you continuing to chelate, or do you think you've

> plateaued and will no longer benefit from additional chelation?

I'm saving money to chelate again. I'm still very sick and unable

to be productive in the workforce. Chelation is a long process, I

don't feel a plateau coming anytime soon. With every chelation

round my body gets better, sometimes in very subtle ways. I little

better sleep, a little more cheer, a little more endurance.

Most improvements come v e r y s l o w l y. . .

One of the most interesting pieces of information

I discovered about my self, came as a gift 2 Christmas

ago, when a very sweet person gave me for Christmas

a go at the Melisa Allergy Blood Test. http://www.melisa.org

The Melisa blood test tests for hypersensitivity to metals.

The test was about $300. After I submitted my blood sample,

one of the doctors called me and informed me that

I was hypersensitive to Mercury. I got one of the

highest readings the lab has ever seen. When the doctor

called me he asked me: " You are hypersensitive to Mercury,

are you feeling ok? We are concerned. " , I busted out laughing!

It seems I have a genetic predisposition to be highly allergic

to mercury. Go figure.

I hope this diatribe helps somebody down the road,

as I've been helped by the graces of God and the many

knowledgeable people in this forum.

Mad love,

Vince.

On Thu, 31 Jan 2008 01:35:41 -0000

" xbluehens " xbluehens@...> wrote:

>

>

> > The more I chelate the better I feel.

> > After 3 years of amalgam removal, and

> > 5 chelation rounds my depression is

> > about 85% gone.

>

> What a dramatic and encouraging testimony. Thanks for sharing. And

> it's good to hear that dramatic recovery is possible without noticing

> an immediate benefit from amalgam removal. I haven't felt any better

> since mine were replaced in October and I'm hoping chelation will do

> the trick eventually.

>

> Did you only do 5 rounds of chelation in 3 years? (If so, how long

> were these rounds?) Did you wait several years after amalgam removal

> before starting chelation? What did you use -- DMSA, DMPS, ALA, other?

>

> If I may ask, are you continuing to chelate, or do you think you've

> plateaued and will no longer benefit from additional chelation?

>

> Thanks,

> Darren

[Guest guest]

> And it's good to hear that dramatic recovery is possible without noticing

> an immediate benefit from amalgam removal.

To be honest, amalgam removal made me feel worse.

It was about 5 months before I started to feel

better. Is one of those things *YOU HAVE TO DO*

I you ever hope to get better.

> I haven't felt any better

> since mine were replaced in October and I'm hoping chelation will do

> the trick eventually.

*IT TAKES TIME... A LONG TIME*

Amalgam removal is just the beginning of

a *LONG* process, eternal if you don't

chelate. If you remove your amalgams

and don't chelate you will not get better

soon, if at all!

> Did you only do 5 rounds of chelation in 3 years?

Due to my amalgam illness, I was bed redden, and

unable to work (semi-homeless actually). I was

unable to stand, much less endure the rigors

of the workplace. My fiancee left me (with the words:

" Dating a homeless man isn't sexy " , if I recall correctly),

my friends left me (Ha! is all in your head...),

I ballooned to 420lbs (eating disorder 'they' said),

I lost my job due to the illness, and the depression,

desperation, and apathy left me with nothing but

the strength to plot my own death. So, no income,

no chelation. I went from working as a highly paid

software engineer, to working as a part-time janitor

at my local hospital. I could only afford to chelate

once or twice a year (It's very hard to survive

on $130 dollars a week.)

Amalgam illness is just like any other illness when

it comes to the economics of health care:

You are too week to work so you are broke,

you are too broke to get better. This was

the story of my life for the past 3 years.

Fortunately, after the 5 rounds of chelation

I was able to get a better job and work

more hours. Not full time, but enough to avoid

sleeping in the park. Now I'm saving for my

6th round.

> (If so, how long were these rounds?)

7 days on.

> Did you wait several years after amalgam removal

> before starting chelation?

My first round of chelation was about a year or

a year and a half after amalgam removal. It took

me a while to get my bearings and the money to

start. I was *REALLY* sick!

> What did you use -- DMSA, DMPS, ALA, other?

I presently only use ALA. I've used ALA/DMSA my 3rd round of

chelation and my suicidal ideation came back

with a vengeance. I felt really sick, like I was

about to die. So I have not used DSMA sciense

then.

> If I may ask, are you continuing to chelate, or do you think you've

> plateaued and will no longer benefit from additional chelation?

I'm saving money to chelate again. I'm still very sick and unable

to be productive in the workforce. Chelation is a long process, I

don't feel a plateau coming anytime soon. With every chelation

round my body gets better, sometimes in very subtle ways. I little

better sleep, a little more cheer, a little more endurance.

Most improvements come v e r y s l o w l y. . .

One of the most interesting pieces of information

I discovered about my self, came as a gift 2 Christmas

ago, when a very sweet person gave me for Christmas

a go at the Melisa Allergy Blood Test. http://www.melisa.org

The Melisa blood test tests for hypersensitivity to metals.

The test was about $300. After I submitted my blood sample,

one of the doctors called me and informed me that

I was hypersensitive to Mercury. I got one of the

highest readings the lab has ever seen. When the doctor

called me he asked me: " You are hypersensitive to Mercury,

are you feeling ok? We are concerned. " , I busted out laughing!

It seems I have a genetic predisposition to be highly allergic

to mercury. Go figure.

I hope this diatribe helps somebody down the road,

as I've been helped by the graces of God and the many

knowledgeable people in this forum.

Mad love,

Vince.

On Thu, 31 Jan 2008 01:35:41 -0000

" xbluehens " xbluehens@...> wrote:

>

>

> > The more I chelate the better I feel.

> > After 3 years of amalgam removal, and

> > 5 chelation rounds my depression is

> > about 85% gone.

>

> What a dramatic and encouraging testimony. Thanks for sharing. And

> it's good to hear that dramatic recovery is possible without noticing

> an immediate benefit from amalgam removal. I haven't felt any better

> since mine were replaced in October and I'm hoping chelation will do

> the trick eventually.

>

> Did you only do 5 rounds of chelation in 3 years? (If so, how long

> were these rounds?) Did you wait several years after amalgam removal

> before starting chelation? What did you use -- DMSA, DMPS, ALA, other?

>

> If I may ask, are you continuing to chelate, or do you think you've

> plateaued and will no longer benefit from additional chelation?

>

> Thanks,

> Darren

[Guest guest]

Vince,

ditto, I also really appreciated your message, thanks! I tried to write you back

channel and not clutter up the list but it wouldn't go through and wanted you to

know it meant a lot to me. I'm in the process of getting the last of my merc

out (3 yrs at it) and will soon be doing some chelating. I've had many of these

feelings and so long to be RID Of it! The feelings and the poison!

Marcia

Thanks Vince, I really enjoyed reading your " diary of depression lifting " I

love hearing about such successes!

Dean

God bless all the hard work you and

the others put on the list answering

question. Is because of helping hands

like yours, and s, and Andys, and

all the rest, that people like me are

getting better.

> So I'm curious, did you not notice

> any relief until you started chelating?

For me it went something like this:

For 3 years before and up to amalgam removal:

" I should kill myself, kill myself,

kill myself, kill myself, I'm worthless,

I'm pathetic, die, die, die "

After amalgam removal:

" Life sucks, the world sucks, I should

kill myself, I'm not good, I'm a looser,

I should end it all "

After 1st round of chelation:

" Well, life does suck, but maybe

I should hold off on the suicide "

After 3rd round of chelation:

" Well, life is a bummer, life

is hard, oh well, but now I'm not

bed redden, oh look a rainbow... "

And thing keep getting better.

The more I chelate the better I feel.

After 3 years of amalgam removal, and

5 chelation rounds my depression is

about 85% gone.

I do get blue every-once in a while,

and depressed a day or 2 after I stop

chelation, but Jesus!, I'm not

in that impenetrable darkness I

used to live in.

*IT DOES GET BETTER*, I can't stress

that enough.

To anybody reading this post that

is depressed and suicidal, please

understand this:

*IT DOES GET BETTER!*

Cheers,

Vince.

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Vince,

ditto, I also really appreciated your message, thanks! I tried to write you back

channel and not clutter up the list but it wouldn't go through and wanted you to

know it meant a lot to me. I'm in the process of getting the last of my merc

out (3 yrs at it) and will soon be doing some chelating. I've had many of these

feelings and so long to be RID Of it! The feelings and the poison!

Marcia

Thanks Vince, I really enjoyed reading your " diary of depression lifting " I

love hearing about such successes!

Dean

God bless all the hard work you and

the others put on the list answering

question. Is because of helping hands

like yours, and s, and Andys, and

all the rest, that people like me are

getting better.

> So I'm curious, did you not notice

> any relief until you started chelating?

For me it went something like this:

For 3 years before and up to amalgam removal:

" I should kill myself, kill myself,

kill myself, kill myself, I'm worthless,

I'm pathetic, die, die, die "

After amalgam removal:

" Life sucks, the world sucks, I should

kill myself, I'm not good, I'm a looser,

I should end it all "

After 1st round of chelation:

" Well, life does suck, but maybe

I should hold off on the suicide "

After 3rd round of chelation:

" Well, life is a bummer, life

is hard, oh well, but now I'm not

bed redden, oh look a rainbow... "

And thing keep getting better.

The more I chelate the better I feel.

After 3 years of amalgam removal, and

5 chelation rounds my depression is

about 85% gone.

I do get blue every-once in a while,

and depressed a day or 2 after I stop

chelation, but Jesus!, I'm not

in that impenetrable darkness I

used to live in.

*IT DOES GET BETTER*, I can't stress

that enough.

To anybody reading this post that

is depressed and suicidal, please

understand this:

*IT DOES GET BETTER!*

Cheers,

Vince.

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> What a dramatic and encouraging testimony. Thanks for sharing. And

> it's good to hear that dramatic recovery is possible without noticing

> an immediate benefit from amalgam removal. I haven't felt any better

> since mine were replaced in October and I'm hoping chelation will do

> the trick eventually.

Hi Darren,

I did not notice any benefits after removal either, in fact I was quite well

when I got them removed as a precaution.

About 8 years later is when I began to crash from the mercury let lose in

the removal, though there was somewhat of a decline earlier.

The point I'm trying to make is that you can feel the crash of mercury long

after you have taken your amalgams out, even if you don't feel a significant

change.

I wish I had known about chelation then, it would have saved me a lot of

energy.

That said, Andy Cutler's chelation programs was the main ingredient in me

getting well and healthy again.

Please chelate anyway for some time after removal.

It may save you from later ill-effects.

DeanSA

[Guest guest]

> What a dramatic and encouraging testimony. Thanks for sharing. And

> it's good to hear that dramatic recovery is possible without noticing

> an immediate benefit from amalgam removal. I haven't felt any better

> since mine were replaced in October and I'm hoping chelation will do

> the trick eventually.

Hi Darren,

I did not notice any benefits after removal either, in fact I was quite well

when I got them removed as a precaution.

About 8 years later is when I began to crash from the mercury let lose in

the removal, though there was somewhat of a decline earlier.

The point I'm trying to make is that you can feel the crash of mercury long

after you have taken your amalgams out, even if you don't feel a significant

change.

I wish I had known about chelation then, it would have saved me a lot of

energy.

That said, Andy Cutler's chelation programs was the main ingredient in me

getting well and healthy again.

Please chelate anyway for some time after removal.

It may save you from later ill-effects.

DeanSA

[Guest guest]

Vince, thanks for the compliment, and there are lots of good people here, all

trying to help each other. It makes it all worthwhile, when we hear reports

like yours. And thank you for sharing what you've been through, that couldn't

have been easy either, and I know it will help others. You are an important

member of this group, and don't you forget it! Best wishes for continued

improvement.----------Jackie

In frequent-dose-chelation Freeman wrote:

Jackie,

God bless all the hard work you and

the others put on the list answering

question. Is because of helping hands

like yours, and s, and Andys, and

all the rest, that people like me are

getting better.

> So I'm curious, did you not notice

> any relief until you started chelating?

For me it went something like this:

For 3 years before and up to amalgam removal:

" I should kill myself, kill myself,

kill myself, kill myself, I'm worthless,

I'm pathetic, die, die, die "

After amalgam removal:

" Life sucks, the world sucks, I should

kill myself, I'm not good, I'm a looser,

I should end it all "

After 1st round of chelation:

" Well, life does suck, but maybe

I should hold off on the suicide "

After 3rd round of chelation:

" Well, life is a bummer, life

is hard, oh well, but now I'm not

bed redden, oh look a rainbow... "

And thing keep getting better.

The more I chelate the better I feel.

After 3 years of amalgam removal, and

5 chelation rounds my depression is

about 85% gone.

I do get blue every-once in a while,

and depressed a day or 2 after I stop

chelation, but Jesus!, I'm not

in that impenetrable darkness I

used to live in.

*IT DOES GET BETTER*, I can't stress

that enough.

To anybody reading this post that

is depressed and suicidal, please

understand this:

*IT DOES GET BETTER!*

Cheers,

Vince.

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Vince, thanks for the compliment, and there are lots of good people here, all

trying to help each other. It makes it all worthwhile, when we hear reports

like yours. And thank you for sharing what you've been through, that couldn't

have been easy either, and I know it will help others. You are an important

member of this group, and don't you forget it! Best wishes for continued

improvement.----------Jackie

In frequent-dose-chelation Freeman wrote:

Jackie,

God bless all the hard work you and

the others put on the list answering

question. Is because of helping hands

like yours, and s, and Andys, and

all the rest, that people like me are

getting better.

> So I'm curious, did you not notice

> any relief until you started chelating?

For me it went something like this:

For 3 years before and up to amalgam removal:

" I should kill myself, kill myself,

kill myself, kill myself, I'm worthless,

I'm pathetic, die, die, die "

After amalgam removal:

" Life sucks, the world sucks, I should

kill myself, I'm not good, I'm a looser,

I should end it all "

After 1st round of chelation:

" Well, life does suck, but maybe

I should hold off on the suicide "

After 3rd round of chelation:

" Well, life is a bummer, life

is hard, oh well, but now I'm not

bed redden, oh look a rainbow... "

And thing keep getting better.

The more I chelate the better I feel.

After 3 years of amalgam removal, and

5 chelation rounds my depression is

about 85% gone.

I do get blue every-once in a while,

and depressed a day or 2 after I stop

chelation, but Jesus!, I'm not

in that impenetrable darkness I

used to live in.

*IT DOES GET BETTER*, I can't stress

that enough.

To anybody reading this post that

is depressed and suicidal, please

understand this:

*IT DOES GET BETTER!*

Cheers,

Vince.

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