Re: worsening on probiotics, yeast

January 28, 2008

> >

> > HI p

> > I had similir bad reaction to Probiotics when i started on them a

> > year ago and attributed it to eitehr heavy yeasy/fungus/heavy metasl

> > being stirred up by the good bacteria effect of probiotics

> >

> > my symptoms were physical and mental (anxiety, fatigue, head burning)

> >

> > aloe vera and mangosteen did same thing to me as i was using these to

> > heal my gut..I aslo had to start very slowly on these and work my way

> > up

> >

>

January 28, 2008

In frequent-dose-chelation wrote:

> >

> > HI p

> > I had similir bad reaction to Probiotics when i started on them a

> > year ago and attributed it to eitehr heavy yeasy/fungus/heavy metasl

> > being stirred up by the good bacteria effect of probiotics

> >

> > my symptoms were physical and mental (anxiety, fatigue, head burning)

> >

> > aloe vera and mangosteen did same thing to me as i was using these to

> > heal my gut..I aslo had to start very slowly on these and work my way

> > up

> >

>

January 28, 2008

I've been perplexed by the comments about yeast as well. I do see

that it is normal for it to reside in the gut, but just like bacteria

it can get out of hand and over populate, especially if the immune

system is lacking and if the propulsive cleansing waves of the gut

are not working correctly. FWIW I have been tested for saccharomyces

cerevisiae (yeast implicated in IBD, and other types of colitis which

I had) and for Candida. Both of which came back negative. So I

don't think that I have a yeast problem right now. Though I do

remember getting these white pieces of stuff that would come from

somewhere in my throut area, which might have been some form of yeast

for all I know.

I have been diagnosed with Small Intestinal Bacterial Growth, and

various treatments would work in the short term, but would always

come back. Which makes me think that mercury might be causing

something to help it regrow. Might be that the mercury effects the

cleansing waves of the gut, dammages the gut lining, lowers immunity

or some other hormone involved in keeping dysbiosis at bay.

I the past probiotics didn't sit well with me. But I did see that

VSL#3 seemed to help the most, all my gut symptoms went away, but did

come back after a while of not taking it.

Another thing that is brought up a lot is talk about parasites in the

body. Is there anything I can read to find out more about this?

This seems even more strange than yeast being a problem. I don't get

how parasites could be living in the body and not be rejected, but

then I learn something new every day. Oh and I'm more interested in

a study based website, I'm sure I can find a ton of websites talking

about it, but I'd at least like some science behind the information.

Thanks,

Mike

> > >

> > > HI p

> > > I had similir bad reaction to Probiotics when i started on

them a

> > > year ago and attributed it to eitehr heavy yeasy/fungus/heavy

metasl

> > > being stirred up by the good bacteria effect of probiotics

> > >

> > > my symptoms were physical and mental (anxiety, fatigue, head

burning)

> > >

> > > aloe vera and mangosteen did same thing to me as i was using

these to

> > > heal my gut..I aslo had to start very slowly on these and

work my way

> > > up

> > >

> >

>

January 28, 2008

For us we do see yeast symptoms in many areas of the body besides the

gut, such as sinus problems, itchy ear, skin, white coated

tongue..etc. So for us personally, it is systemic. And taking GSE gets

rid of these symptoms and probably covers some other bacteria as well.

They do return when yeast treatment is stopped. A good probability for

anyone that has been long term Hg can be candida, which goes along

with leaky gut, antibotic use..etc. If your not sure what it is...try

a book called The Yeast Connection. It will help you figure out if

this might be your problem.

There is also testing to help determine what is going on with the gut.

There are bacterial and other gut pathogens like is saying too.

> > >

> > > HI p

> > > I had similir bad reaction to Probiotics when i started on them a

> > > year ago and attributed it to eitehr heavy yeasy/fungus/heavy

metasl

> > > being stirred up by the good bacteria effect of probiotics

> > >

> > > my symptoms were physical and mental (anxiety, fatigue, head

burning)

> > >

> > > aloe vera and mangosteen did same thing to me as i was using

these to

> > > heal my gut..I aslo had to start very slowly on these and work

my way

> > > up

> > >

> >

>

January 28, 2008

> > > >

> > > > HI p

> > > > I had similir bad reaction to Probiotics when i started on them a

> > > > year ago and attributed it to eitehr heavy yeasy/fungus/heavy

> metasl

> > > > being stirred up by the good bacteria effect of probiotics

> > > >

> > > > my symptoms were physical and mental (anxiety, fatigue, head

> burning)

> > > >

> > > > aloe vera and mangosteen did same thing to me as i was using

> these to

> > > > heal my gut..I aslo had to start very slowly on these and work

> my way

> > > > up

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

January 28, 2008

I am not an expert at all and for a long time wondered too if the

yeast is systemic or not. I now feel it is because when I had a live

blood cell analysis, the clinician pointed out the yeast around my

blood cells. She explained that this is what's causing the adrenal

problems and other endocrine problems. It went from a localized area

(my gut) to systemic once I developed Leaky Gut.

I realize live blood cell analysis is not accepted in mainstream

medicine and that the validity of it is questionable. However, I've

spoken with other candida sufferers who have watched their live blood

cells go from heavily surrounded by yeast to very little at all

within a 6 month time frame using natural antifungals.

- Carlin

> > > > >

> > > > > HI p

> > > > > I had similir bad reaction to Probiotics when i started on

them a

> > > > > year ago and attributed it to eitehr heavy

yeasy/fungus/heavy

> > metasl

> > > > > being stirred up by the good bacteria effect of probiotics

> > > > >

> > > > > my symptoms were physical and mental (anxiety, fatigue, head

> > burning)

> > > > >

> > > > > aloe vera and mangosteen did same thing to me as i was using

> > these to

> > > > > heal my gut..I aslo had to start very slowly on these and

work

> > my way

> > > > > up

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

January 29, 2008

This is very interesting, Carlin, and thanks for sharing this with us. I have

never heard of this before. Keep us posted and let us know if you do retesting

after some treatment.

Now that you mention blood cells, my sister told me about some testing that was

done on her son, where they look at the red blood cells, and in sick people,

often find them starting to get *sticky* and *clumping* together. Did they

mention anything like that to you?--------Jackie

In frequent-dose-chelation carlinwagner wrote:

I am not an expert at all and for a long time wondered too if the

yeast is systemic or not. I now feel it is because when I had a live

blood cell analysis, the clinician pointed out the yeast around my

blood cells. She explained that this is what's causing the adrenal

problems and other endocrine problems. It went from a localized area

(my gut) to systemic once I developed Leaky Gut.

I realize live blood cell analysis is not accepted in mainstream

medicine and that the validity of it is questionable. However, I've

spoken with other candida sufferers who have watched their live blood

cells go from heavily surrounded by yeast to very little at all

within a 6 month time frame using natural antifungals.

- Carlin

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January 29, 2008

This is very interesting, Carlin, and thanks for sharing this with us. I have

never heard of this before. Keep us posted and let us know if you do retesting

after some treatment.

Now that you mention blood cells, my sister told me about some testing that was

done on her son, where they look at the red blood cells, and in sick people,

often find them starting to get *sticky* and *clumping* together. Did they

mention anything like that to you?--------Jackie

In frequent-dose-chelation carlinwagner wrote:

I am not an expert at all and for a long time wondered too if the

yeast is systemic or not. I now feel it is because when I had a live

blood cell analysis, the clinician pointed out the yeast around my

blood cells. She explained that this is what's causing the adrenal

problems and other endocrine problems. It went from a localized area

(my gut) to systemic once I developed Leaky Gut.

I realize live blood cell analysis is not accepted in mainstream

medicine and that the validity of it is questionable. However, I've

spoken with other candida sufferers who have watched their live blood

cells go from heavily surrounded by yeast to very little at all

within a 6 month time frame using natural antifungals.

- Carlin

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This is very interesting, Carlin, and thanks for sharing this with us. I have

never heard of this before. Keep us posted and let us know if you do retesting

after some treatment.

Now that you mention blood cells, my sister told me about some testing that was

done on her son, where they look at the red blood cells, and in sick people,

often find them starting to get *sticky* and *clumping* together. Did they

mention anything like that to you?--------Jackie

In frequent-dose-chelation carlinwagner wrote:

I am not an expert at all and for a long time wondered too if the

yeast is systemic or not. I now feel it is because when I had a live

blood cell analysis, the clinician pointed out the yeast around my

blood cells. She explained that this is what's causing the adrenal

problems and other endocrine problems. It went from a localized area

(my gut) to systemic once I developed Leaky Gut.

I realize live blood cell analysis is not accepted in mainstream

medicine and that the validity of it is questionable. However, I've

spoken with other candida sufferers who have watched their live blood

cells go from heavily surrounded by yeast to very little at all

within a 6 month time frame using natural antifungals.

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January 30, 2008

>

> , from my experiences, yeast has usually been in the gut and

vaginally also, but I had read something about a study at the Mayo

Clinic, and they found yeast in the nasal passages of people with

sinus problems.

**** Yes, nasal passages are still external to the body. If there is

yeast (or bacteria) in nasal passages they haven't gone systemic. I

think part of the misunderstandings is understanding what systemic

means. Systemic means that the organism has crossed the epithelial

barrier and is in the blood stream.

Now this one does seem to make sense to me, and I think it has

happened to me also. I used to have tons of sinus

problems/infections, before I figured out that I was toxic and started

doing all this stuff and anti-yeast type things, diet and supplements,

etc. My sinuses are much better now, and may get a little stuffier,

when I eat too much sugar, or do other things that might feed the

yeast. So I just wanted to point this out.

>

> And I have definitely had yeast problems after using antibiotics,

****** Yes, me too. I think most women know what a creamy white yeast

infection looks like. A vaginal yeast infection is still external, it

hasn't gone systemic.

J

so I truly believe it is a problem for us, and Jada's tips about

treating it is good info, and I want to make sure that people

understand that, but I do agree with that there could be other

gut problems also.---------Jackie

>

January 30, 2008

>

> , from my experiences, yeast has usually been in the gut and

vaginally also, but I had read something about a study at the Mayo

Clinic, and they found yeast in the nasal passages of people with

sinus problems.

**** Yes, nasal passages are still external to the body. If there is

yeast (or bacteria) in nasal passages they haven't gone systemic. I

think part of the misunderstandings is understanding what systemic

means. Systemic means that the organism has crossed the epithelial

barrier and is in the blood stream.

Now this one does seem to make sense to me, and I think it has

happened to me also. I used to have tons of sinus

problems/infections, before I figured out that I was toxic and started

doing all this stuff and anti-yeast type things, diet and supplements,

etc. My sinuses are much better now, and may get a little stuffier,

when I eat too much sugar, or do other things that might feed the

yeast. So I just wanted to point this out.

>

> And I have definitely had yeast problems after using antibiotics,

****** Yes, me too. I think most women know what a creamy white yeast

infection looks like. A vaginal yeast infection is still external, it

hasn't gone systemic.

J

so I truly believe it is a problem for us, and Jada's tips about

treating it is good info, and I want to make sure that people

understand that, but I do agree with that there could be other

gut problems also.---------Jackie

>

January 30, 2008

>

> I've been perplexed by the comments about yeast as well. I do see

> that it is normal for it to reside in the gut, but just like bacteria

> it can get out of hand and over populate, especially if the immune

> system is lacking and if the propulsive cleansing waves of the gut

> are not working correctly. FWIW I have been tested for saccharomyces

> cerevisiae (yeast implicated in IBD, and other types of colitis which

> I had) and for Candida. Both of which came back negative. So I

> don't think that I have a yeast problem right now. Though I do

> remember getting these white pieces of stuff that would come from

> somewhere in my throut area, which might have been some form of yeast

> for all I know.

>

> I have been diagnosed with Small Intestinal Bacterial Growth, and

> various treatments would work in the short term, but would always

> come back.

I'll be interested to hear how you deal with this and what it takes to

get better.

Which makes me think that mercury might be causing

> something to help it regrow. Might be that the mercury effects the

> cleansing waves of the gut, dammages the gut lining, lowers immunity

> or some other hormone involved in keeping dysbiosis at bay.

>

This is the same sort of thinking that I have. I definitely had flare

ups of gut problems after major exposures to mercury.

> I the past probiotics didn't sit well with me. But I did see that

> VSL#3 seemed to help the most, all my gut symptoms went away, but did

> come back after a while of not taking it.

>

> Another thing that is brought up a lot is talk about parasites in the

> body. Is there anything I can read to find out more about this?

On p 92 of AI Andy recommends a digestive stool analysis. On the same

page he talks about antibody testing for parasites. I remember that

there is some part of a standard blood test that indicates a parasitic

infection, but I don't remember what the tests were (except that mine

were neg, not much help).

I have known friends who picked up parasites from the water in Egypt

and Mexico, and they were treated and eventually cured, but I don't

remember what the parasites were.

J

> This seems even more strange than yeast being a problem. I don't get

> how parasites could be living in the body and not be rejected, but

> then I learn something new every day. Oh and I'm more interested in

> a study based website, I'm sure I can find a ton of websites talking

> about it, but I'd at least like some science behind the information.

>

> Thanks,

> Mike

>

January 30, 2008