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> I am now on my second round of ALA and this time I increased the

dose from 12.5 to

> 25mgs (every three hours). I did 7 rounds of dmsa first and had a

little bit of a hard time

> with digestion and candida issues. I seem to like the ALA and have

decided to go this

> alone. Is there anything to be worried about? Will the ALA help

escort the mercury out of

> the body?

Yes, ALA chelates just fine all by itself.

You can always add back DMSA at some point if you want to, but

if ALA alone feels good, it's fine.

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> kat

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I was looking in the archives for info about those who chelate with ala alone.

I did 12

rounds with dmsa and two rounds with dmsa and ala. Now i am on a round with ala

alone

(50mg) every three hours. So far, I feel good and don't have many symptoms. I

seem to do

much better on ala than on dmsa. Does anyone have any feedback for me? Should

I

continue with ala alone? How many days on? Off?

Thanks,

katherine

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I've chelated for 16 rounds with ALA alone. I've tried DMSA for a couple of

rounds, but felt so ill taking it, i.e., bowel feeling inflamed, more pronounced

mercury symptoms (terrible 3 day migraine), that I decided to stick with ALA.

I've had to lower the dose from 25 mg to 12.5 mg, though, because I'm in a

situation where I'm not on my regular organic diet, distilled water, and

chemical-free atmosphere. Those factors are making my adrenals really having to

work extra, along with the rest. So I've lowered the dose according to my

symptoms.

I'm on a 2.6 day on, 3 day off regimen, again depending on how I feel. If I'm

really tired, I take an extra day or two to let my body recover.

According to Andy, it's perfectly fine to chelate on ALA alone. He recommends

DMSA for removing lead, however.

Best,

Robyn

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I was looking in the archives for info about those who chelate with ala alone.

I did 12

rounds with dmsa and two rounds with dmsa and ala. Now i am on a round with ala

alone

(50mg) every three hours. So far, I feel good and don't have many symptoms. I

seem to do

much better on ala than on dmsa. Does anyone have any feedback for me? Should I

continue with ala alone? How many days on? Off?

Thanks,

katherine

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I've chelated for 16 rounds with ALA alone. I've tried DMSA for a couple of

rounds, but felt so ill taking it, i.e., bowel feeling inflamed, more pronounced

mercury symptoms (terrible 3 day migraine), that I decided to stick with ALA.

I've had to lower the dose from 25 mg to 12.5 mg, though, because I'm in a

situation where I'm not on my regular organic diet, distilled water, and

chemical-free atmosphere. Those factors are making my adrenals really having to

work extra, along with the rest. So I've lowered the dose according to my

symptoms.

I'm on a 2.6 day on, 3 day off regimen, again depending on how I feel. If I'm

really tired, I take an extra day or two to let my body recover.

According to Andy, it's perfectly fine to chelate on ALA alone. He recommends

DMSA for removing lead, however.

Best,

Robyn

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I was looking in the archives for info about those who chelate with ala alone.

I did 12

rounds with dmsa and two rounds with dmsa and ala. Now i am on a round with ala

alone

(50mg) every three hours. So far, I feel good and don't have many symptoms. I

seem to do

much better on ala than on dmsa. Does anyone have any feedback for me? Should I

continue with ala alone? How many days on? Off?

Thanks,

katherine

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I started on DMSA alone, then DMSA plus ALA, and now have switched to ALA

alone, 25 mg every 3 hours. I feel fine with it. I'm also happy to not

have to think about any of the potential issues with DMSA such as

neutropenia. But I know I have lead as well as mercury, and wonder how well

ALA chelates lead. Andy says the efficacy with lead is unknown (whereas

DMSA is a powerful chelator of lead), but Dana in autism-mercury claims her

experience shows that ALA does chelate lead as well. I do wish someone

would do the necessary experiments and determine once and for all if ALA

does chelate lead or not.

Andy points out that you can chelate mercury thoroughly with ala alone, but

not with dmsa alone. So if you're doing well, I don't see any reason to

change what you're doing.

Dean

Chelating with ALA alone

I was looking in the archives for info about those who chelate with ala

alone. I did 12

rounds with dmsa and two rounds with dmsa and ala. Now i am on a round

with ala alone

(50mg) every three hours. So far, I feel good and don't have many

symptoms. I seem to do

much better on ala than on dmsa. Does anyone have any feedback for me?

Should I

continue with ala alone? How many days on? Off?

Thanks,

katherine

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I found chelating on ALA alone felt better than DMSA alone or DMSA + ALA. I

don't know

why.

The kids and I did a few months of DMSA + ALA, then switched to ALA only with

one round a

month DMSA + ALA (not sure how much lead we've got). We do 3 days on, 4 days

off.

, 60-some rounds

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I found chelating on ALA alone felt better than DMSA alone or DMSA + ALA. I

don't know

why.

The kids and I did a few months of DMSA + ALA, then switched to ALA only with

one round a

month DMSA + ALA (not sure how much lead we've got). We do 3 days on, 4 days

off.

, 60-some rounds

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In frequent-dose-chelation sweetlavendarlove wrote:

I was looking in the archives for info about those who chelate with ala alone.

I did 12

rounds with dmsa and two rounds with dmsa and ala. Now i am on a round with

ala alone

(50mg) every three hours. So far, I feel good and don't have many symptoms. I

seem to do

much better on ala than on dmsa. Does anyone have any feedback for me? Should

I

continue with ala alone?

---------If you feel best on ALA alone, then that's what you should continue

with. It is the real workhorse chelator, and the only absolutely necessary one.

And luckily for you, the cheapest! The only exception would be if you have

lead, then you would want to do occasional rounds with DMSA. Bottom line is,

we're all different, and we all tolerate different chelators differently, so we

have to find out which one(s) is best for us, just like you did

above.-------Jackie

How many days on? Off?

----------This can also be individual and requires some experimentation on

your part. If you feel better on round, then try doing a little longer rounds,

and see how you do. If you're currently doing 3 day rounds, then try a 4 or 5

day round. The lack of sleep is probably what will catch up with you. If you

can handle the sleep part and are still doing fine, then try 6 or 7 days. I

think up to two weeks on for ALA is ok, but that's alot of broken sleep. And

remember, the general rule is the same number of days off as on.----------Jackie

Thanks,

katherine

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> ----------This can also be individual and requires some

experimentation on your part. If you feel better on round, then try

doing a little longer rounds, and see how you do. If you're

currently doing 3 day rounds, then try a 4 or 5 day round. The lack

of sleep is probably what will catch up with you. If you can handle

the sleep part and are still doing fine, then try 6 or 7 days. I

think up to two weeks on for ALA is ok, but that's alot of broken

sleep. And remember, the general rule is the same number of days off

as on.----------Jackie

This response, which I've seen before by others as well, has me

puzzled. At first it makes sense, you want to be on round and

chelating for as long as possible. But then when you add in being

off round the same number of days or more it throws that out the

window. Because if you're 3 days on and 3 days off, it ends up

you're the same ammount of time on and off if you did say 5 days on

and 5 days off. Plus if you feel worse off round you have just as

many days off round feeling poorly in either case.

So why even change the number of days on round at all?

Thanks,

Mike

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Here's one reason for lengthening rounds Mike. If you do 3 days on and 3

days off, then every 3 days you have to stop, which causes a " redistribution

event. " Six days of chelation will cause two redistribution events.

But if you do six-day rounds, then six days of chelation will cause just one

redistribution event. So the longer the rounds, the fewer redistribution

events.

Dean

Re: Chelating with ALA alone

> ----------This can also be individual and requires some

experimentation on your part. If you feel better on round, then try

doing a little longer rounds, and see how you do. If you're

currently doing 3 day rounds, then try a 4 or 5 day round. The lack

of sleep is probably what will catch up with you. If you can handle

the sleep part and are still doing fine, then try 6 or 7 days. I

think up to two weeks on for ALA is ok, but that's alot of broken

sleep. And remember, the general rule is the same number of days off

as on.----------Jackie

This response, which I've seen before by others as well, has me

puzzled. At first it makes sense, you want to be on round and

chelating for as long as possible. But then when you add in being

off round the same number of days or more it throws that out the

window. Because if you're 3 days on and 3 days off, it ends up

you're the same ammount of time on and off if you did say 5 days on

and 5 days off. Plus if you feel worse off round you have just as

many days off round feeling poorly in either case.

So why even change the number of days on round at all?

Thanks,

Mike

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> I've chelated for 16 rounds with ALA alone. I've tried DMSA for a couple

> of rounds, but felt so ill taking it, i.e., bowel feeling inflamed, more

> pronounced mercury symptoms (terrible 3 day migraine), that I decided to

> stick with ALA.

> I've had to lower the dose from 25 mg to 12.5 mg, though, because I'm in

> a situation where I'm not on my regular organic diet, distilled water, and

> chemical-free atmosphere. Those factors are making my adrenals really

> having to work extra, along with the rest. So I've lowered the dose

> according to my symptoms.

> Robyn

Hi Robyn,

Why are you drinking distilled water and for how long have you been using

it?

While I know that it is good for short term for detox (2-4 weeks), it is not

advised long-term as it leaches your minerals.

This shows up as an ALL-LOW hair test and I have seen it to be true so far.

Have you had a hair test?

I don't know what Andy says about but I personally have turned against

distilled water consumption.

I know there are two school of thought on distilled water. I started off in

the pro its use, and changed my mind after trying it for 2 months.

I worry that if you are leaching minerals into the hungry water you can be

hurting yourself long-term.

You might want to add some good quality see salt to it perhaps.

Just a thought.

DeanSA

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> This response, which I've seen before by others as well, has me

> puzzled. At first it makes sense, you want to be on round and

> chelating for as long as possible. But then when you add in being

> off round the same number of days or more it throws that out the

> window. Because if you're 3 days on and 3 days off, it ends up

> you're the same ammount of time on and off if you did say 5 days on

> and 5 days off. Plus if you feel worse off round you have just as

> many days off round feeling poorly in either case.

>

> So why even change the number of days on round at all?

>

> Thanks,

> Mike

>

Mike,

I think I've seen this addressed before and IIRC the issue isn't the

amount of time you're on or off round but the number of transitions.

If every transition from on-round to off-round represents a

redistribution event (and it does) then fewer transitions equals fewer

redistributions. The person who addressed this did the math and

spread out over a long enough period of time, you do have fewer

redistribution events with longer rounds.

But I think it must depend somewhat on how you feel off round vs on

round. If there is a significant difference, ie, one is markedly

better than the other, then I think it would be very hard to do the

longer time period feeling significantly worse. Whereas if there was

only minimal difference between the two states, then the longer

duration might be do-able.

Just my 2 cents.

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Dean, if it were me, I would do occasional rounds of DMSA, just to make sure I

was taking care of the lead. I think in HTI Andy says that a round every month

or two is sufficient. JMO---------Jackie

In frequent-dose-chelation Dean wrote:

I started on DMSA alone, then DMSA plus ALA, and now have switched to ALA

alone, 25 mg every 3 hours. I feel fine with it. I'm also happy to not

have to think about any of the potential issues with DMSA such as

neutropenia. But I know I have lead as well as mercury, and wonder how well

ALA chelates lead. Andy says the efficacy with lead is unknown (whereas

DMSA is a powerful chelator of lead), but Dana in autism-mercury claims her

experience shows that ALA does chelate lead as well. I do wish someone

would do the necessary experiments and determine once and for all if ALA

does chelate lead or not.

Andy points out that you can chelate mercury thoroughly with ala alone, but

not with dmsa alone. So if you're doing well, I don't see any reason to

change what you're doing.

Dean

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> ----------This can also be individual and requires some

experimentation on your part. If you feel better on round, then try

doing a little longer rounds, and see how you do. If you're

currently doing 3 day rounds, then try a 4 or 5 day round. The lack

of sleep is probably what will catch up with you. If you can handle

the sleep part and are still doing fine, then try 6 or 7 days. I

think up to two weeks on for ALA is ok, but that's alot of broken

sleep. And remember, the general rule is the same number of days off

as on.----------Jackie

This response, which I've seen before by others as well, has me

puzzled. At first it makes sense, you want to be on round and

chelating for as long as possible. But then when you add in being

off round the same number of days or more it throws that out the

window. Because if you're 3 days on and 3 days off, it ends up

you're the same ammount of time on and off if you did say 5 days on

and 5 days off. Plus if you feel worse off round you have just as

many days off round feeling poorly in either case.

So why even change the number of days on round at all?

----------Good question. The general rule has always been as many days off as

on. If you want to hear this in Andy's own words, you could search the

archives, and it is probably covered in the Andy Index also. He believes that

chelation is stress to the body, and it needs a break. And your example above

is correct that you would still have the same number of total off days

regardless how long your rounds were. But here is the one advantage that I see.

You will always have some redistribution at the end of a round, this is

inevitable. But, if you do a 6 day round, you will have *one* redistribution

event at the end of that round, compared to *two* redistribution events if you

did two three day rounds. So less redistribution overall is the

advantage.----Jackie

Thanks,

Mike

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In frequent-dose-chelation mle_ii wrote:

> ----------This can also be individual and requires some

experimentation on your part. If you feel better on round, then try

doing a little longer rounds, and see how you do. If you're

currently doing 3 day rounds, then try a 4 or 5 day round. The lack

of sleep is probably what will catch up with you. If you can handle

the sleep part and are still doing fine, then try 6 or 7 days. I

think up to two weeks on for ALA is ok, but that's alot of broken

sleep. And remember, the general rule is the same number of days off

as on.----------Jackie

This response, which I've seen before by others as well, has me

puzzled. At first it makes sense, you want to be on round and

chelating for as long as possible. But then when you add in being

off round the same number of days or more it throws that out the

window. Because if you're 3 days on and 3 days off, it ends up

you're the same ammount of time on and off if you did say 5 days on

and 5 days off. Plus if you feel worse off round you have just as

many days off round feeling poorly in either case.

So why even change the number of days on round at all?

----------Good question. The general rule has always been as many days off as

on. If you want to hear this in Andy's own words, you could search the

archives, and it is probably covered in the Andy Index also. He believes that

chelation is stress to the body, and it needs a break. And your example above

is correct that you would still have the same number of total off days

regardless how long your rounds were. But here is the one advantage that I see.

You will always have some redistribution at the end of a round, this is

inevitable. But, if you do a 6 day round, you will have *one* redistribution

event at the end of that round, compared to *two* redistribution events if you

did two three day rounds. So less redistribution overall is the

advantage.----Jackie

Thanks,

Mike

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> ----------Good question. The general rule has always been as

many days off as on. If you want to hear this in Andy's own words,

you could search the archives, and it is probably covered in the Andy

Index also. He believes that chelation is stress to the body, and it

needs a break. And your example above is correct that you would

still have the same number of total off days regardless how long your

rounds were. But here is the one advantage that I see. You will

always have some redistribution at the end of a round, this is

inevitable. But, if you do a 6 day round, you will have *one*

redistribution event at the end of that round, compared to *two*

redistribution events if you did two three day rounds. So less

redistribution overall is the advantage.----Jackie

>

Thanks Jackie, Dean and yankeeexile. Don't know why I forgot about

that variable. Must be the redistribution playing on my memory. :)

Makes a lot more sense and once I read yours and the other

explanations I had a Doh! moment. LOL

Thanks,

Mike

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> ----------Good question. The general rule has always been as

many days off as on. If you want to hear this in Andy's own words,

you could search the archives, and it is probably covered in the Andy

Index also. He believes that chelation is stress to the body, and it

needs a break. And your example above is correct that you would

still have the same number of total off days regardless how long your

rounds were. But here is the one advantage that I see. You will

always have some redistribution at the end of a round, this is

inevitable. But, if you do a 6 day round, you will have *one*

redistribution event at the end of that round, compared to *two*

redistribution events if you did two three day rounds. So less

redistribution overall is the advantage.----Jackie

>

Thanks Jackie, Dean and yankeeexile. Don't know why I forgot about

that variable. Must be the redistribution playing on my memory. :)

Makes a lot more sense and once I read yours and the other

explanations I had a Doh! moment. LOL

Thanks,

Mike

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> Hi Dean,

> I started drinking distilled water over 20 years ago when I had very

> painful bladder symptoms. I literally could not walk across a room

> without being in severe pain. After many different doctors' treatments,

> one including a urethrectomy (!), it was discovered that I had

> interstitial cystitis. It was another of those primarily " women's "

> diseases that was mainly ignored, so I was a guinea pig for treatments.

> Nothing helped and I couldn't take the pain anymore, so I started an

> experiment of drinking only distilled water and taking an ibuprofen after

> relations with my (ex) husband. This did wonders for the condition. I

> could actually function like a human being again. So...long story...but

> that's why I drink distilled water.

> It's interesting to note that prior to these past four months, I couldn't

> drink anything but distilled water for any length of time. As soon as I

> drank " city " water, my bladder started spasming....makes you wonder, eh?

Hi Robyn,

Yes, city water can be nasty stuff. Carry a lot a toxins and parasites. You

case is quite specific as interstitial cystitis is very painful.

> No, I haven't had a hair test. I'm short on funds. And, really, I am

> growing more and more leery of anyone in the medical field anymore. I

> just plain don't trust them any farther than I can throw them.

Having a hair test is just about the most important part of the process. You

only need one every 2-3 years, so I hope you can save up enough money to get

one. It would be interesting to see if you have an all-low presentation

which is what I would expect after drinknig distilled water for so long.

> Oh...the stories I could tell...

Yes, I think we all have these stories. Another reason to be grateful for

Andy and this group, where the accumulative knowledge is quite astounding.

> I do eat kosher salt on foods (probably 1 tsp per day), I wonder if that

> is sufficient to recover minerals lost?

I don't know the answer to this Robyn,

Thanks,

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> Hi Dean,

> I started drinking distilled water over 20 years ago when I had very

> painful bladder symptoms. I literally could not walk across a room

> without being in severe pain. After many different doctors' treatments,

> one including a urethrectomy (!), it was discovered that I had

> interstitial cystitis. It was another of those primarily " women's "

> diseases that was mainly ignored, so I was a guinea pig for treatments.

> Nothing helped and I couldn't take the pain anymore, so I started an

> experiment of drinking only distilled water and taking an ibuprofen after

> relations with my (ex) husband. This did wonders for the condition. I

> could actually function like a human being again. So...long story...but

> that's why I drink distilled water.

> It's interesting to note that prior to these past four months, I couldn't

> drink anything but distilled water for any length of time. As soon as I

> drank " city " water, my bladder started spasming....makes you wonder, eh?

Hi Robyn,

Yes, city water can be nasty stuff. Carry a lot a toxins and parasites. You

case is quite specific as interstitial cystitis is very painful.

> No, I haven't had a hair test. I'm short on funds. And, really, I am

> growing more and more leery of anyone in the medical field anymore. I

> just plain don't trust them any farther than I can throw them.

Having a hair test is just about the most important part of the process. You

only need one every 2-3 years, so I hope you can save up enough money to get

one. It would be interesting to see if you have an all-low presentation

which is what I would expect after drinknig distilled water for so long.

> Oh...the stories I could tell...

Yes, I think we all have these stories. Another reason to be grateful for

Andy and this group, where the accumulative knowledge is quite astounding.

> I do eat kosher salt on foods (probably 1 tsp per day), I wonder if that

> is sufficient to recover minerals lost?

I don't know the answer to this Robyn,

Thanks,

DeanSA

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> Hi Dean,

> I started drinking distilled water over 20 years ago when I had very

> painful bladder symptoms. I literally could not walk across a room

> without being in severe pain. After many different doctors' treatments,

> one including a urethrectomy (!), it was discovered that I had

> interstitial cystitis. It was another of those primarily " women's "

> diseases that was mainly ignored, so I was a guinea pig for treatments.

> Nothing helped and I couldn't take the pain anymore, so I started an

> experiment of drinking only distilled water and taking an ibuprofen after

> relations with my (ex) husband. This did wonders for the condition. I

> could actually function like a human being again. So...long story...but

> that's why I drink distilled water.

> It's interesting to note that prior to these past four months, I couldn't

> drink anything but distilled water for any length of time. As soon as I

> drank " city " water, my bladder started spasming....makes you wonder, eh?

Hi Robyn,

Yes, city water can be nasty stuff. Carry a lot a toxins and parasites. You

case is quite specific as interstitial cystitis is very painful.

> No, I haven't had a hair test. I'm short on funds. And, really, I am

> growing more and more leery of anyone in the medical field anymore. I

> just plain don't trust them any farther than I can throw them.

Having a hair test is just about the most important part of the process. You

only need one every 2-3 years, so I hope you can save up enough money to get

one. It would be interesting to see if you have an all-low presentation

which is what I would expect after drinknig distilled water for so long.

> Oh...the stories I could tell...

Yes, I think we all have these stories. Another reason to be grateful for

Andy and this group, where the accumulative knowledge is quite astounding.

> I do eat kosher salt on foods (probably 1 tsp per day), I wonder if that

> is sufficient to recover minerals lost?

I don't know the answer to this Robyn,

Thanks,

DeanSA

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> I've chelated for 16 rounds with ALA alone. I've tried DMSA for a

couple of rounds, but felt so ill taking it, i.e., bowel feeling

inflamed, more pronounced mercury symptoms (terrible 3 day migraine),

that I decided to stick with ALA.

>

> I've had to lower the dose from 25 mg to 12.5 mg, though, because

I'm in a situation where I'm not on my regular organic diet,

distilled water, and chemical-free atmosphere. Those factors are

making my adrenals really having to work extra, along with the rest.

So I've lowered the dose according to my symptoms.

>

> I'm on a 2.6 day on, 3 day off regimen, again depending on how I

feel. If I'm really tired, I take an extra day or two to let my body

recover.

>

> According to Andy, it's perfectly fine to chelate on ALA alone.

He recommends DMSA for removing lead, however.

>

> Best,

> Robyn

>

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

>

> I was looking in the archives for info about those who chelate

with ala alone. I did 12

> rounds with dmsa and two rounds with dmsa and ala. Now i am on a

round with ala alone

> (50mg) every three hours. So far, I feel good and don't have many

symptoms. I seem to do

> much better on ala than on dmsa. Does anyone have any feedback for

me? Should I

> continue with ala alone? How many days on? Off?

> Thanks,

> katherine

>

I also had a terrible time with DMSA and wish I had never used it. I

am about to try ALA as soon as my 3 months are up. Kind regards

RObert UK. see my lates post.

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> I've chelated for 16 rounds with ALA alone. I've tried DMSA for a

couple of rounds, but felt so ill taking it, i.e., bowel feeling

inflamed, more pronounced mercury symptoms (terrible 3 day migraine),

that I decided to stick with ALA.

>

> I've had to lower the dose from 25 mg to 12.5 mg, though, because

I'm in a situation where I'm not on my regular organic diet,

distilled water, and chemical-free atmosphere. Those factors are

making my adrenals really having to work extra, along with the rest.

So I've lowered the dose according to my symptoms.

>

> I'm on a 2.6 day on, 3 day off regimen, again depending on how I

feel. If I'm really tired, I take an extra day or two to let my body

recover.

>

> According to Andy, it's perfectly fine to chelate on ALA alone.

He recommends DMSA for removing lead, however.

>

> Best,

> Robyn

>

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

>

> I was looking in the archives for info about those who chelate

with ala alone. I did 12

> rounds with dmsa and two rounds with dmsa and ala. Now i am on a

round with ala alone

> (50mg) every three hours. So far, I feel good and don't have many

symptoms. I seem to do

> much better on ala than on dmsa. Does anyone have any feedback for

me? Should I

> continue with ala alone? How many days on? Off?

> Thanks,

> katherine

>

I also had a terrible time with DMSA and wish I had never used it. I

am about to try ALA as soon as my 3 months are up. Kind regards

RObert UK. see my lates post.

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