Guest guest Posted July 14, 2001 Report Share Posted July 14, 2001 LOL I watched this to (recorded to lol) and I was thinking the same thing. I know 6 women who have had c secs (all gave birth around the same time I did with Phoebe) and not one of them had i/c at 8 weeks in fact one of them was 1 year before her and dh did the deed... I did enjoy watching it though and yes will be looking at figures tomorrow.. lol I am VERY interested in seeing EGH rates for epi, c sec's and induction ;o)... Lonnie Phoebe & Eloisa's mama & expecting a Christmas delivery... My therapist told me the way to achieve true inner peace is to finish what you start. So far today, I have finished 2 bags of chips and a Chocolate cake. I feel better already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2001 Report Share Posted July 14, 2001 LOL I watched this to (recorded to lol) and I was thinking the same thing. I know 6 women who have had c secs (all gave birth around the same time I did with Phoebe) and not one of them had i/c at 8 weeks in fact one of them was 1 year before her and dh did the deed... I did enjoy watching it though and yes will be looking at figures tomorrow.. lol I am VERY interested in seeing EGH rates for epi, c sec's and induction ;o)... Lonnie Phoebe & Eloisa's mama & expecting a Christmas delivery... My therapist told me the way to achieve true inner peace is to finish what you start. So far today, I have finished 2 bags of chips and a Chocolate cake. I feel better already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2001 Report Share Posted July 15, 2001 > >PS Why wasn't there an interview with a section case where the outcome was >horrid. I.e. the pain of the scar and not being able to lie on your tummy >for over a year after and forget sex, clothes touching you was bad enough! >My tummy still hurts if I lean on something knobbly and forget trampolining >2 weeks later. AAaaaarrrrhhhhh!!!! > I must admit, I did wonder why there was no caesarean case, emergency or otherwise. and no statistics were given for c/section rates either! Both of my local hospitals were mentioned, St s and Royal Surrey County. DS was born at St s and to be honest I did see enough staff, my consultant and the surgeon afterwards, but that doesn't make a bad experience any better! my stitches were removed after 3 days an I was send home that day! Too soon if you ask me. Anyway, , I sympathise with your bit about the scar still being painful, mine is too and apparently it can take upto 3.5 years for that to subside, by which time no doubt we will have put ourselves through it again! with baby no.2. Will wait to see what next weeks program brings. Kirsten Mum to (23 months) Step-mom to Shelby (6yrs) Trainee ANT, and Memb-sec Woking and Knaphill Branches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2001 Report Share Posted July 15, 2001 > >PS Why wasn't there an interview with a section case where the outcome was >horrid. I.e. the pain of the scar and not being able to lie on your tummy >for over a year after and forget sex, clothes touching you was bad enough! >My tummy still hurts if I lean on something knobbly and forget trampolining >2 weeks later. AAaaaarrrrhhhhh!!!! > I must admit, I did wonder why there was no caesarean case, emergency or otherwise. and no statistics were given for c/section rates either! Both of my local hospitals were mentioned, St s and Royal Surrey County. DS was born at St s and to be honest I did see enough staff, my consultant and the surgeon afterwards, but that doesn't make a bad experience any better! my stitches were removed after 3 days an I was send home that day! Too soon if you ask me. Anyway, , I sympathise with your bit about the scar still being painful, mine is too and apparently it can take upto 3.5 years for that to subside, by which time no doubt we will have put ourselves through it again! with baby no.2. Will wait to see what next weeks program brings. Kirsten Mum to (23 months) Step-mom to Shelby (6yrs) Trainee ANT, and Memb-sec Woking and Knaphill Branches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2001 Report Share Posted July 15, 2001 >I did enjoy watching it though and yes will be looking at figures tomorrow.. lol I am VERY interested in seeing EGH rates for epi, c sec's and induction ;o)... I must have missed this bit! Looking at figures where? Kirsten Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2001 Report Share Posted July 15, 2001 >I did enjoy watching it though and yes will be looking at figures tomorrow.. lol I am VERY interested in seeing EGH rates for epi, c sec's and induction ;o)... I must have missed this bit! Looking at figures where? Kirsten Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2001 Report Share Posted July 15, 2001 > Anyway, , I sympathise with your bit about the scar still being > painful, mine is too and apparently it can take upto 3.5 years for > that to subside, by which time no doubt we will have put ourselves > through it again! with baby no.2. Hate to disappoint you but mine still has an 'old injury' pain to it and my DD is now 4.5yo. No second child. It's only on the RHS which has been a niusance since the beginning. I can feel a ridge of presumably scar tissue under the flab that's around there too. -- Sue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2001 Report Share Posted July 15, 2001 I had that after my 1st c/s - and was told that Drs stand on their handed side to do the op. - so a right handed dr will stand on the RHS - and that as they stitch the layers up, they pull the thread towards themselves, often creating a 'lean' in the wound. So there is often a ridge on the side which the Dr. stood at. During my 2nd c/s the dr. commented that the scar was uneven and untidy and asked if I wanted to tidy it up a bit. I agreed, and now have a lovely flat scar - almost invisible after only 19 mths, and it's never given me a minute's trouble. Perhaps this is the benefit of elective c/s with an experienced dr. over emergency c/s where you take whatever newly qualified, inexperienced bod happens to be around?? Vicki Portman http://www.plushpants.co.uk > > It's only on the RHS which has been a niusance since the beginning. I > can feel a ridge of presumably scar tissue under the flab that's > around there too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2001 Report Share Posted July 15, 2001 >I had that after my 1st c/s - and was told that Drs stand on their handed >side to do the op. - so a right handed dr will stand on the RHS - and that >as they stitch the layers up, they pull the thread towards themselves, often >creating a 'lean' in the wound. So there is often a ridge on the side which >the Dr. stood at. > >During my 2nd c/s the dr. commented that the scar was uneven and untidy and >asked if I wanted to tidy it up a bit. I agreed, and now have a lovely flat >scar - almost invisible after only 19 mths, and it's never given me a >minute's trouble. Perhaps this is the benefit of elective c/s with an >experienced dr. over emergency c/s where you take whatever newly qualified, >inexperienced bod happens to be around?? > >Vicki Portman I think you are right - and it is a mixed blessing as it pushes women towards elective CS (sometimes the point is made for them rather too strenuously by the staff) who have a sizeable chance of not needing a CS at all, but an above average risk of needing one. I think we could do to amend terminology too - elective and emergency don't always describe either situation. I think this could also be a point in favour of ensuring that CS is done in centres of excellence so that an experienced doctor is always on hand at least to supervise less experienced surgeons. Perhaps we are talking about the on the whole (but not entirely) short term problems of distance, convenience, separation compared with the long term problem of morbidity. (Of course the RCOG spokesman on the programme wouldn't think pain in the scar was a significant problem...) " A doctor's trained to practise, everybody would agree, but I would rather not have doctors practicing on me! " (can't remember who sang that) -- jennifer@... Vaudin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2001 Report Share Posted July 15, 2001 >I had that after my 1st c/s - and was told that Drs stand on their handed >side to do the op. - so a right handed dr will stand on the RHS - and that >as they stitch the layers up, they pull the thread towards themselves, often >creating a 'lean' in the wound. So there is often a ridge on the side which >the Dr. stood at. > >During my 2nd c/s the dr. commented that the scar was uneven and untidy and >asked if I wanted to tidy it up a bit. I agreed, and now have a lovely flat >scar - almost invisible after only 19 mths, and it's never given me a >minute's trouble. Perhaps this is the benefit of elective c/s with an >experienced dr. over emergency c/s where you take whatever newly qualified, >inexperienced bod happens to be around?? > >Vicki Portman I think you are right - and it is a mixed blessing as it pushes women towards elective CS (sometimes the point is made for them rather too strenuously by the staff) who have a sizeable chance of not needing a CS at all, but an above average risk of needing one. I think we could do to amend terminology too - elective and emergency don't always describe either situation. I think this could also be a point in favour of ensuring that CS is done in centres of excellence so that an experienced doctor is always on hand at least to supervise less experienced surgeons. Perhaps we are talking about the on the whole (but not entirely) short term problems of distance, convenience, separation compared with the long term problem of morbidity. (Of course the RCOG spokesman on the programme wouldn't think pain in the scar was a significant problem...) " A doctor's trained to practise, everybody would agree, but I would rather not have doctors practicing on me! " (can't remember who sang that) -- jennifer@... Vaudin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2001 Report Share Posted July 15, 2001 > I had that after my 1st c/s - and was told that Drs stand on their handed > side to do the op. - so a right handed dr will stand on the RHS - I've heard this too. > During my 2nd c/s the dr. commented that the scar was uneven and untidy and > asked if I wanted to tidy it up a bit. I agreed, and now have a lovely flat > scar - almost invisible after only 19 mths, and it's never given me a > minute's trouble. Perhaps this is the benefit of elective c/s with an > experienced dr. over emergency c/s where you take whatever newly qualified, > inexperienced bod happens to be around?? Well, I do happen to know (now but not then) that the dr who operated was not inexperienced and I remember the first time CS was mentioned during my labour it was about 2hr off shift change and the dr looked haggard and I thought 'There's no way I'm letting you near me with a knife!'!!!! It's not particularly a problem, just a bit annoying. What I've never liked is that my cs was referred to as an 'emergency' I didn't feel it was! It was not planned before I went into labour but here was no emergency about it. In spite of a very long labour, we decided to go for CS because I was completely knackered and had been at 8cm for about 16 hours, I think, before I had the op. At no time did DD show any signs of distress, even during an attempt at what I suppose you'd call internal version when they found when she was presenting ear and chin first (what a great time to find out when you've been in posterior labour for about 24 hours!). The shaving and prep was all very relaxed once we had made the decision. And there wasn't a maternity theatre free as electives had started by then so I had to go to a normal theatre - two floors up and narrow beds. Ah well, tis over now and time to put it behind me. If I ever do labour again, I'll go in with my eyes a little more open. -- Sue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2001 Report Share Posted July 15, 2001 Hear, hear to that, ! Although my second section was decided on long before I would ever have gone into labour it is emphatically *not* how I would have chosen to give birth, and I only consented to it because I was told by people I trusted that labour would be dangerous to the baby. I don't regret the section, it hasn't scarred me in any way other than physically, but the term 'elective' gives it my whole-hearted, joyful consent, whereas in reality it had my heavy-hearted, resigned consent. Vicki Portman http://www.plushpants.co.uk > I think we could > do to amend terminology too - elective and emergency don't always > describe either situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2001 Report Share Posted July 15, 2001 >During my 2nd c/s the dr. commented that the scar was uneven and untidy and >asked if I wanted to tidy it up a bit. I agreed, and now have a lovely flat >scar - almost invisible after only 19 mths, and it's never given me a >minute's trouble. Perhaps this is the benefit of elective c/s with an >experienced dr. over emergency c/s where you take whatever newly qualified, >inexperienced bod happens to be around?? > >Vicki Portman Thankyou Vicki, You have just answered my dreams, DH is always saying do you think they will tidy up your scar if you have an elective next time! Maybe I will ask, as even my GP said " thats a nasty scar isn't it! " One can always hope! Kirsten Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2001 Report Share Posted July 15, 2001 > Thankyou Vicki, You have just answered my dreams, DH is always saying > do you think they will tidy up your scar if you have an elective next > time! Maybe I will ask, as even my GP said " thats a nasty scar isn't > it! " > Kirsten Wouldn`t they 'tidy it up' anyway, before you get pg again(if you wanted it)? - I think the NHS ought to be under an obligation to do so, without the added complication of pregnancy distorting it, etc. (Just as they re-do an episiotomy). Does anyone know what would be involved? Barbara > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2001 Report Share Posted July 15, 2001 The consultant who did my third spent a lot of time tidying up my scar and reducing adhesions and I am sure my swift recovery was due to that. Lesley ANT, tr BFC, Mother, Wife, Friend, Mender of Broken Hearts, Keeper of Secrets, Chauffeur, Cook, Maid, Writer. Overweight, Over thirty, Over here in Worthing.. " Believing Oneself to be perfect is often the sign of a delusional mind! " Star Trek. Re: The good birth guide > > > > >During my 2nd c/s the dr. commented that the scar was uneven and > untidy and > >asked if I wanted to tidy it up a bit. I agreed, and now have a > lovely flat > >scar - almost invisible after only 19 mths, and it's never given me a > >minute's trouble. Perhaps this is the benefit of elective c/s with > an > >experienced dr. over emergency c/s where you take whatever newly > qualified, > >inexperienced bod happens to be around?? > > > >Vicki Portman > > > Thankyou Vicki, You have just answered my dreams, DH is always saying > do you think they will tidy up your scar if you have an elective next > time! Maybe I will ask, as even my GP said " thats a nasty scar isn't > it! " > > One can always hope! > Kirsten > > > *** NCT enquiry line - 0 *** > > Live chat http://www.yahoogroups.com/chat/nct-coffee > > Have you found out about all the other groups for the NCT online? > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2001 Report Share Posted July 15, 2001 The consultant who did my third spent a lot of time tidying up my scar and reducing adhesions and I am sure my swift recovery was due to that. Lesley ANT, tr BFC, Mother, Wife, Friend, Mender of Broken Hearts, Keeper of Secrets, Chauffeur, Cook, Maid, Writer. Overweight, Over thirty, Over here in Worthing.. " Believing Oneself to be perfect is often the sign of a delusional mind! " Star Trek. Re: The good birth guide > > > > >During my 2nd c/s the dr. commented that the scar was uneven and > untidy and > >asked if I wanted to tidy it up a bit. I agreed, and now have a > lovely flat > >scar - almost invisible after only 19 mths, and it's never given me a > >minute's trouble. Perhaps this is the benefit of elective c/s with > an > >experienced dr. over emergency c/s where you take whatever newly > qualified, > >inexperienced bod happens to be around?? > > > >Vicki Portman > > > Thankyou Vicki, You have just answered my dreams, DH is always saying > do you think they will tidy up your scar if you have an elective next > time! Maybe I will ask, as even my GP said " thats a nasty scar isn't > it! " > > One can always hope! > Kirsten > > > *** NCT enquiry line - 0 *** > > Live chat http://www.yahoogroups.com/chat/nct-coffee > > Have you found out about all the other groups for the NCT online? > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2001 Report Share Posted July 15, 2001 Ditto! It also really annoys me when hospitals browbeat mothers into sections for breech and then put it in their figures as " elective " . Lesley ANT, tr BFC, Mother, Wife, Friend, Mender of Broken Hearts, Keeper of Secrets, Chauffeur, Cook, Maid, Writer. Overweight, Over thirty, Over here in Worthing.. " Believing Oneself to be perfect is often the sign of a delusional mind! " Star Trek. Re: The good birth guide > Hear, hear to that, ! Although my second section was decided on > long before I would ever have gone into labour it is emphatically *not* how > I would have chosen to give birth, and I only consented to it because I was > told by people I trusted that labour would be dangerous to the baby. I > don't regret the section, it hasn't scarred me in any way other than > physically, but the term 'elective' gives it my whole-hearted, joyful > consent, whereas in reality it had my heavy-hearted, resigned consent. > > Vicki Portman > > http://www.plushpants.co.uk > > > I think we could > > do to amend terminology too - elective and emergency don't always > > describe either situation. > > > > *** NCT enquiry line - 0 *** > > Live chat http://www.yahoogroups.com/chat/nct-coffee > > Have you found out about all the other groups for the NCT online? > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2001 Report Share Posted July 15, 2001 Ditto! It also really annoys me when hospitals browbeat mothers into sections for breech and then put it in their figures as " elective " . Lesley ANT, tr BFC, Mother, Wife, Friend, Mender of Broken Hearts, Keeper of Secrets, Chauffeur, Cook, Maid, Writer. Overweight, Over thirty, Over here in Worthing.. " Believing Oneself to be perfect is often the sign of a delusional mind! " Star Trek. Re: The good birth guide > Hear, hear to that, ! Although my second section was decided on > long before I would ever have gone into labour it is emphatically *not* how > I would have chosen to give birth, and I only consented to it because I was > told by people I trusted that labour would be dangerous to the baby. I > don't regret the section, it hasn't scarred me in any way other than > physically, but the term 'elective' gives it my whole-hearted, joyful > consent, whereas in reality it had my heavy-hearted, resigned consent. > > Vicki Portman > > http://www.plushpants.co.uk > > > I think we could > > do to amend terminology too - elective and emergency don't always > > describe either situation. > > > > *** NCT enquiry line - 0 *** > > Live chat http://www.yahoogroups.com/chat/nct-coffee > > Have you found out about all the other groups for the NCT online? > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2001 Report Share Posted July 15, 2001 <> here ;o) http://home.drfoster.co.uk/birth/ Lonnie Phoebe & Eloisa's mama & expecting a Christmas delivery... My therapist told me the way to achieve true inner peace is to finish what you start. So far today, I have finished 2 bags of chips and a Chocolate cake. I feel better already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2001 Report Share Posted July 15, 2001 >> Anyway, , I sympathise with your bit about the scar still being >> painful, mine is too and apparently it can take upto 3.5 years for >> that to subside, by which time no doubt we will have put ourselves >> through it again! with baby no.2. Sorry girls... mine has not given a twinge since 8 mths (which I probably why I got pg again at a year!) I was extremely lucky with the scar healing aspect of my c/s, I had sex earlier after that than I did my VBAC with 2nd degree tear! My m/w then had to ask where my scar was as it is so invisible, I do heal well though generally as various other minor ops/cuts etc have proved, My c/s legacy is the " risk " status and the emotional side which has been far harder to deal with for me.... I guess we are all different and hope things improve for you. One thing I wonder/have heard anecdotally is that a subsequent pregnancy can improve scar sensation and pain by stretching skin/adhesions and relaxing the tensions in the area. Don't assume it would make it worse, you never know! Angi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2001 Report Share Posted July 15, 2001 >here ;o) http://home.drfoster.co.uk/birth/ I have just tried the site and suprisingly the two hospitals mentioned on the programs details are not available, and they are the ones closes to me!! Typical. Thanks Anyway Lonnie. Kirsten Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2001 Report Share Posted July 15, 2001 I hate that my c-section was called 'emergency' as well. Like you it came after a long drawn out posterior labour, including a very relaxed transfer to hospital (planned homebirth) when I was 7cm. People always imagine the transfer was an emergency, it wasn't, caused only by my utter exhaustion, and there was no ambulance as my partner drove us after we had spent over an hour sorting out the flat and loading up the car! The c-section happened after 12 hours after I got to hospital and was discussed for some time before hand. There were never any signs of distress and everyone remained quite calm and relaxed during preparation. All of this doesn't get away from the fact I wish the c-section had never happened - but I guess that is a different story. I always think of myself as having a bad birth story but a good c-section story, if that makes any sense! > > What I've never liked is that my cs was referred to as an 'emergency' > I didn't feel it was! It was not planned before I went into labour > but here was no emergency about it. In spite of a very long labour, > we decided to go for CS because I was completely knackered and had > been at 8cm for about 16 hours, I think, before I had the op. > > At no time did DD show any signs of distress, even during an attempt > at what I suppose you'd call internal version when they found when she > was presenting ear and chin first (what a great time to find out when > you've been in posterior labour for about 24 hours!). The shaving and > prep was all very relaxed once we had made the decision. And there > wasn't a maternity theatre free as electives had started by then so I > had to go to a normal theatre - two floors up and narrow beds. > > Ah well, tis over now and time to put it behind me. If I ever do > labour again, I'll go in with my eyes a little more open. > > -- > Sue > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2001 Report Share Posted July 15, 2001 I hate that my c-section was called 'emergency' as well. Like you it came after a long drawn out posterior labour, including a very relaxed transfer to hospital (planned homebirth) when I was 7cm. People always imagine the transfer was an emergency, it wasn't, caused only by my utter exhaustion, and there was no ambulance as my partner drove us after we had spent over an hour sorting out the flat and loading up the car! The c-section happened after 12 hours after I got to hospital and was discussed for some time before hand. There were never any signs of distress and everyone remained quite calm and relaxed during preparation. All of this doesn't get away from the fact I wish the c-section had never happened - but I guess that is a different story. I always think of myself as having a bad birth story but a good c-section story, if that makes any sense! > > What I've never liked is that my cs was referred to as an 'emergency' > I didn't feel it was! It was not planned before I went into labour > but here was no emergency about it. In spite of a very long labour, > we decided to go for CS because I was completely knackered and had > been at 8cm for about 16 hours, I think, before I had the op. > > At no time did DD show any signs of distress, even during an attempt > at what I suppose you'd call internal version when they found when she > was presenting ear and chin first (what a great time to find out when > you've been in posterior labour for about 24 hours!). The shaving and > prep was all very relaxed once we had made the decision. And there > wasn't a maternity theatre free as electives had started by then so I > had to go to a normal theatre - two floors up and narrow beds. > > Ah well, tis over now and time to put it behind me. If I ever do > labour again, I'll go in with my eyes a little more open. > > -- > Sue > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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