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Took my first doses of Adrenal Cortex today. It is the Nutricology

brand that many here have endorsed. First dose in morning was half of

a 250mg cap. Didn't feel anything from it. The next dose, also half a

cap, was at noon. Didn't feel anything really, except about 2 hours

later it did seem I had more energy when I usually get waves of

fatigue. By 4:00 though serious fatigue, more than usual, and a glum

depressed mood hit rather quickly. Felt like a crash. I wonder what

the halflife of ACE is.

What was that crash? Did that mean I should have taken a third dose?

Did the noon dose wear off?

I am also wondering what typical doses and dosing schedules do people

use with ACE. I know there is variation from person to person, but I'm

just trying to get a feel for general patterns or trends. Curious to

know if increased waves of fatigue is experienced when starting ACE.

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You could try taking an afternoon dose, around 2:30-3:00pm and see if

that helps. I have read that people who crash around mid-afternoon

benefit from a dose then too. This was from the ever

popular " Adrenal Fatigue, the 21st Syndrome " book.

When I started on ACE, my dose schedule was 7AM, 12PM 3PM and a

smaller dose just before bedtime.

Experiment, its very personal.

-Ed

>

> Took my first doses of Adrenal Cortex today. It is the Nutricology

> brand that many here have endorsed. First dose in morning was half

of

> a 250mg cap. Didn't feel anything from it. The next dose, also half

a

> cap, was at noon. Didn't feel anything really, except about 2 hours

> later it did seem I had more energy when I usually get waves of

> fatigue. By 4:00 though serious fatigue, more than usual, and a

glum

> depressed mood hit rather quickly. Felt like a crash. I wonder what

> the halflife of ACE is.

>

> What was that crash? Did that mean I should have taken a third

dose?

> Did the noon dose wear off?

>

> I am also wondering what typical doses and dosing schedules do

people

> use with ACE. I know there is variation from person to person, but

I'm

> just trying to get a feel for general patterns or trends. Curious

to

> know if increased waves of fatigue is experienced when starting ACE.

>

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I can't speak to having the same experience of crashing but here is

what I take (165 mg - genestra brand - canada) I take one in the

morning and 2 at lunch around 1 pm and then 1/2 at dinner.

I feel better doing two at lunch. It took experimentation.

Good luck

colette

>

> Took my first doses of Adrenal Cortex today. It is the Nutricology

> brand that many here have endorsed. First dose in morning was half

of

> a 250mg cap. Didn't feel anything from it. The next dose, also half

a

> cap, was at noon. Didn't feel anything really, except about 2 hours

> later it did seem I had more energy when I usually get waves of

> fatigue. By 4:00 though serious fatigue, more than usual, and a

glum

> depressed mood hit rather quickly. Felt like a crash. I wonder what

> the halflife of ACE is.

>

> What was that crash? Did that mean I should have taken a third

dose?

> Did the noon dose wear off?

>

> I am also wondering what typical doses and dosing schedules do

people

> use with ACE. I know there is variation from person to person, but

I'm

> just trying to get a feel for general patterns or trends. Curious

to

> know if increased waves of fatigue is experienced when starting ACE.

>

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I can't speak to having the same experience of crashing but here is

what I take (165 mg - genestra brand - canada) I take one in the

morning and 2 at lunch around 1 pm and then 1/2 at dinner.

I feel better doing two at lunch. It took experimentation.

Good luck

colette

>

> Took my first doses of Adrenal Cortex today. It is the Nutricology

> brand that many here have endorsed. First dose in morning was half

of

> a 250mg cap. Didn't feel anything from it. The next dose, also half

a

> cap, was at noon. Didn't feel anything really, except about 2 hours

> later it did seem I had more energy when I usually get waves of

> fatigue. By 4:00 though serious fatigue, more than usual, and a

glum

> depressed mood hit rather quickly. Felt like a crash. I wonder what

> the halflife of ACE is.

>

> What was that crash? Did that mean I should have taken a third

dose?

> Did the noon dose wear off?

>

> I am also wondering what typical doses and dosing schedules do

people

> use with ACE. I know there is variation from person to person, but

I'm

> just trying to get a feel for general patterns or trends. Curious

to

> know if increased waves of fatigue is experienced when starting ACE.

>

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I can't speak to having the same experience of crashing but here is

what I take (165 mg - genestra brand - canada) I take one in the

morning and 2 at lunch around 1 pm and then 1/2 at dinner.

I feel better doing two at lunch. It took experimentation.

Good luck

colette

>

> Took my first doses of Adrenal Cortex today. It is the Nutricology

> brand that many here have endorsed. First dose in morning was half

of

> a 250mg cap. Didn't feel anything from it. The next dose, also half

a

> cap, was at noon. Didn't feel anything really, except about 2 hours

> later it did seem I had more energy when I usually get waves of

> fatigue. By 4:00 though serious fatigue, more than usual, and a

glum

> depressed mood hit rather quickly. Felt like a crash. I wonder what

> the halflife of ACE is.

>

> What was that crash? Did that mean I should have taken a third

dose?

> Did the noon dose wear off?

>

> I am also wondering what typical doses and dosing schedules do

people

> use with ACE. I know there is variation from person to person, but

I'm

> just trying to get a feel for general patterns or trends. Curious

to

> know if increased waves of fatigue is experienced when starting ACE.

>

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The whole idea of manipulating the adrenals is scaring me pretty

bad. That is because no matter what I try, adrenal support sends me

into a deep dark depression where I just want to give up and die.

That includes the ginsengs, rhodiola, ashwaghanda, schizandra,

isocort, topical hydrocortisone, and now my latest trial...adrenal

cortex. Yeah, day two on the stuff has been a visit to hell. Just

normal fatigue today, not bad, but the scary places a mind can go in

such a short time from taking a supplement is terrifying. If someone

said they would pay me a lot of money to try ACE again tomorrow I

might do it. Other than that, no way.

Of all the adrenal treatments, the only one I have found beneficial

is miniscule doses of Maca root. I read somewhere that it is the

unsung hero for treating adrenal fatigue, but not well known. It is

usually known for boosting libido, which it did not do for me. In a

3 day trial it did take my lifelong cold hands and make them warm.

Back on topic, ACE is not good for me. My usual depression is not

anywhere near as intense as ACE and other adrenal treatments make it

go very quickly.

I sure wish I knew why assisting the adrenals makes me so deeply

depressed I can hardly live.

> >

> > Took my first doses of Adrenal Cortex today. It is the

Nutricology

> > brand that many here have endorsed. First dose in morning was

half

> of

> > a 250mg cap. Didn't feel anything from it. The next dose, also

half

> a

> > cap, was at noon. Didn't feel anything really, except about 2

hours

> > later it did seem I had more energy when I usually get waves of

> > fatigue. By 4:00 though serious fatigue, more than usual, and a

> glum

> > depressed mood hit rather quickly. Felt like a crash. I wonder

what

> > the halflife of ACE is.

> >

> > What was that crash? Did that mean I should have taken a third

> dose?

> > Did the noon dose wear off?

> >

> > I am also wondering what typical doses and dosing schedules do

> people

> > use with ACE. I know there is variation from person to person,

but

> I'm

> > just trying to get a feel for general patterns or trends.

Curious

> to

> > know if increased waves of fatigue is experienced when starting

ACE.

> >

>

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The whole idea of manipulating the adrenals is scaring me pretty

bad. That is because no matter what I try, adrenal support sends me

into a deep dark depression where I just want to give up and die.

That includes the ginsengs, rhodiola, ashwaghanda, schizandra,

isocort, topical hydrocortisone, and now my latest trial...adrenal

cortex. Yeah, day two on the stuff has been a visit to hell. Just

normal fatigue today, not bad, but the scary places a mind can go in

such a short time from taking a supplement is terrifying. If someone

said they would pay me a lot of money to try ACE again tomorrow I

might do it. Other than that, no way.

Of all the adrenal treatments, the only one I have found beneficial

is miniscule doses of Maca root. I read somewhere that it is the

unsung hero for treating adrenal fatigue, but not well known. It is

usually known for boosting libido, which it did not do for me. In a

3 day trial it did take my lifelong cold hands and make them warm.

Back on topic, ACE is not good for me. My usual depression is not

anywhere near as intense as ACE and other adrenal treatments make it

go very quickly.

I sure wish I knew why assisting the adrenals makes me so deeply

depressed I can hardly live.

> >

> > Took my first doses of Adrenal Cortex today. It is the

Nutricology

> > brand that many here have endorsed. First dose in morning was

half

> of

> > a 250mg cap. Didn't feel anything from it. The next dose, also

half

> a

> > cap, was at noon. Didn't feel anything really, except about 2

hours

> > later it did seem I had more energy when I usually get waves of

> > fatigue. By 4:00 though serious fatigue, more than usual, and a

> glum

> > depressed mood hit rather quickly. Felt like a crash. I wonder

what

> > the halflife of ACE is.

> >

> > What was that crash? Did that mean I should have taken a third

> dose?

> > Did the noon dose wear off?

> >

> > I am also wondering what typical doses and dosing schedules do

> people

> > use with ACE. I know there is variation from person to person,

but

> I'm

> > just trying to get a feel for general patterns or trends.

Curious

> to

> > know if increased waves of fatigue is experienced when starting

ACE.

> >

>

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> It is

> usually known for boosting libido, which it did not do for me. In a

> 3 day trial it did take my lifelong cold hands and make them warm.

>

> Back on topic, ACE is not good for me. My usual depression is not

> anywhere near as intense as ACE and other adrenal treatments make it

> go very quickly.

>

> I sure wish I knew why assisting the adrenals makes me so deeply

> depressed I can hardly live.

Hi,

What testing have you done for your thyroid and adrenals?

Have you done saliva testing?

What did your hair test say about adrenals and thyroid?

Have you monitored your temperature and if so what are the results?

Have a look at this information on 's Temperature Syndrome.

http://www.livingnetwork.co.za/healingnetwork/wilsons_syndrome1.html

Cold hands always make me think of thyroid issues.

You'll see how the adrenals and thyroid interact so strongly that if you

treat one you affect the other.

http://www.livingnetwork.co.za/healingnetwork/adrenals_thyroid.html

I suspect that treating the adrenals changes your cortisol output and this

has an effect on your thyroid.

Increasing cortisol induces your body to make more RT3 than make

temperatures low and all enzymes (including in your brain) dysfunctional.

Have you tried HC?

I would turn my attention to your thyroid also.

DeanSA

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> It is

> usually known for boosting libido, which it did not do for me. In a

> 3 day trial it did take my lifelong cold hands and make them warm.

>

> Back on topic, ACE is not good for me. My usual depression is not

> anywhere near as intense as ACE and other adrenal treatments make it

> go very quickly.

>

> I sure wish I knew why assisting the adrenals makes me so deeply

> depressed I can hardly live.

Hi,

What testing have you done for your thyroid and adrenals?

Have you done saliva testing?

What did your hair test say about adrenals and thyroid?

Have you monitored your temperature and if so what are the results?

Have a look at this information on 's Temperature Syndrome.

http://www.livingnetwork.co.za/healingnetwork/wilsons_syndrome1.html

Cold hands always make me think of thyroid issues.

You'll see how the adrenals and thyroid interact so strongly that if you

treat one you affect the other.

http://www.livingnetwork.co.za/healingnetwork/adrenals_thyroid.html

I suspect that treating the adrenals changes your cortisol output and this

has an effect on your thyroid.

Increasing cortisol induces your body to make more RT3 than make

temperatures low and all enzymes (including in your brain) dysfunctional.

Have you tried HC?

I would turn my attention to your thyroid also.

DeanSA

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> It is

> usually known for boosting libido, which it did not do for me. In a

> 3 day trial it did take my lifelong cold hands and make them warm.

>

> Back on topic, ACE is not good for me. My usual depression is not

> anywhere near as intense as ACE and other adrenal treatments make it

> go very quickly.

>

> I sure wish I knew why assisting the adrenals makes me so deeply

> depressed I can hardly live.

Hi,

What testing have you done for your thyroid and adrenals?

Have you done saliva testing?

What did your hair test say about adrenals and thyroid?

Have you monitored your temperature and if so what are the results?

Have a look at this information on 's Temperature Syndrome.

http://www.livingnetwork.co.za/healingnetwork/wilsons_syndrome1.html

Cold hands always make me think of thyroid issues.

You'll see how the adrenals and thyroid interact so strongly that if you

treat one you affect the other.

http://www.livingnetwork.co.za/healingnetwork/adrenals_thyroid.html

I suspect that treating the adrenals changes your cortisol output and this

has an effect on your thyroid.

Increasing cortisol induces your body to make more RT3 than make

temperatures low and all enzymes (including in your brain) dysfunctional.

Have you tried HC?

I would turn my attention to your thyroid also.

DeanSA

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For what it's worth, I have adrenal fatigue (verified via saliva

hormone testing), and I have felt horrible each time I've tried

ADRENergize, which is 250mg ACE + 100mg multiglandular complex.

Perhaps the dose is too high. Or perhaps it's the multi-glandular

complex that's making me feel worse.

But I haven't had any luck with Teitlebaum's Adrenal Stress End

product either, which has 33mg of ACE + 400mg adrenal polypeptide

fractions + licorice + vitamins. Though it's been a while since I

tried it... might try it again just to see what happens. I've been

considering purchasing ACE alone and trying small doses, but I'm not

very optimistic it will help, given my other experiences.

I've also never felt any better with HC. Again, maybe if I can tune

the dosing properly, it could end up helping.

Thanks for the suggestion about Maca root. Maybe that's worth a try.

Darren

> >

> > You could try taking an afternoon dose, around 2:30-3:00pm and see

> if

> > that helps. I have read that people who crash around mid-afternoon

> > benefit from a dose then too. This was from the ever

> > popular " Adrenal Fatigue, the 21st Syndrome " book.

> >

> > When I started on ACE, my dose schedule was 7AM, 12PM 3PM and a

> > smaller dose just before bedtime.

> >

> > Experiment, its very personal.

> >

> > -Ed

> >

> >

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For what it's worth, I have adrenal fatigue (verified via saliva

hormone testing), and I have felt horrible each time I've tried

ADRENergize, which is 250mg ACE + 100mg multiglandular complex.

Perhaps the dose is too high. Or perhaps it's the multi-glandular

complex that's making me feel worse.

But I haven't had any luck with Teitlebaum's Adrenal Stress End

product either, which has 33mg of ACE + 400mg adrenal polypeptide

fractions + licorice + vitamins. Though it's been a while since I

tried it... might try it again just to see what happens. I've been

considering purchasing ACE alone and trying small doses, but I'm not

very optimistic it will help, given my other experiences.

I've also never felt any better with HC. Again, maybe if I can tune

the dosing properly, it could end up helping.

Thanks for the suggestion about Maca root. Maybe that's worth a try.

Darren

> >

> > You could try taking an afternoon dose, around 2:30-3:00pm and see

> if

> > that helps. I have read that people who crash around mid-afternoon

> > benefit from a dose then too. This was from the ever

> > popular " Adrenal Fatigue, the 21st Syndrome " book.

> >

> > When I started on ACE, my dose schedule was 7AM, 12PM 3PM and a

> > smaller dose just before bedtime.

> >

> > Experiment, its very personal.

> >

> > -Ed

> >

> >

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For what it's worth, I have adrenal fatigue (verified via saliva

hormone testing), and I have felt horrible each time I've tried

ADRENergize, which is 250mg ACE + 100mg multiglandular complex.

Perhaps the dose is too high. Or perhaps it's the multi-glandular

complex that's making me feel worse.

But I haven't had any luck with Teitlebaum's Adrenal Stress End

product either, which has 33mg of ACE + 400mg adrenal polypeptide

fractions + licorice + vitamins. Though it's been a while since I

tried it... might try it again just to see what happens. I've been

considering purchasing ACE alone and trying small doses, but I'm not

very optimistic it will help, given my other experiences.

I've also never felt any better with HC. Again, maybe if I can tune

the dosing properly, it could end up helping.

Thanks for the suggestion about Maca root. Maybe that's worth a try.

Darren

> >

> > You could try taking an afternoon dose, around 2:30-3:00pm and see

> if

> > that helps. I have read that people who crash around mid-afternoon

> > benefit from a dose then too. This was from the ever

> > popular " Adrenal Fatigue, the 21st Syndrome " book.

> >

> > When I started on ACE, my dose schedule was 7AM, 12PM 3PM and a

> > smaller dose just before bedtime.

> >

> > Experiment, its very personal.

> >

> > -Ed

> >

> >

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Just to add my two cents, I also recently tried ACE along with a multi-glandular

supplement called H-R-F Thalamic for a few days. I was very hopeful about them,

but I,

too, seemed to experience a negative reaction.

This may be totally naive, but is it possible that if someone has autoimmune

tendencies

(e.g., against adrenal glands), the extra amount of these substances could cause

a flare up

and result in attacks against the glands, or other body tissue, leading to a

temporary

worsening of symptoms?

>

> For what it's worth, I have adrenal fatigue (verified via saliva

> hormone testing), and I have felt horrible each time I've tried

> ADRENergize, which is 250mg ACE + 100mg multiglandular complex.

> Perhaps the dose is too high. Or perhaps it's the multi-glandular

> complex that's making me feel worse.

>

> But I haven't had any luck with Teitlebaum's Adrenal Stress End

> product either, which has 33mg of ACE + 400mg adrenal polypeptide

> fractions + licorice + vitamins. Though it's been a while since I

> tried it... might try it again just to see what happens. I've been

> considering purchasing ACE alone and trying small doses, but I'm not

> very optimistic it will help, given my other experiences.

>

> I've also never felt any better with HC. Again, maybe if I can tune

> the dosing properly, it could end up helping.

>

> Thanks for the suggestion about Maca root. Maybe that's worth a try.

>

> Darren

>

>

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I don't understand why either, but when I first tried ACE about two years ago, I

reacted to it also, and quit taking it. I don't remember exactly what, and I

may have taken too much and should have built up slower, but I remember not

liking it and quitting. I then tried Isocort shortly after that, and it felt

great! I thought I'd hit the jackpot! It worked for awhile, until my appendix

ordeal and huge setback, which was a huge beating on my adrenals. I then went

on HC about a year ago, and some ACE, which definitely helped. Lately I have

been experimenting with larger doses of ACE, and have taken as much as 900mg a

few days. Then it starts feeling like too much. So some days I have only used

250mg, but my average lately has been 500-750mg, with 10-20 mg of HC. So, I

don't understand either why I couldn't tolerate it then and tolerate alot of it

now. I don't know if it's because of supplements or what. I do know that my

thyroid antibodies have dropped during this time, and other things have gotten

better, like my ferritin and Vit D levels. I also use more digestive aids now

and absorb nutrients better. But I really can't say *what* made the

difference.-----------Jackie

In frequent-dose-chelation accs4 wrote:

Just to add my two cents, I also recently tried ACE along with a

multi-glandular

supplement called H-R-F Thalamic for a few days. I was very hopeful about

them, but I,

too, seemed to experience a negative reaction.

This may be totally naive, but is it possible that if someone has autoimmune

tendencies

(e.g., against adrenal glands), the extra amount of these substances could

cause a flare up

and result in attacks against the glands, or other body tissue, leading to a

temporary

worsening of symptoms?

>

> For what it's worth, I have adrenal fatigue (verified via saliva

> hormone testing), and I have felt horrible each time I've tried

> ADRENergize, which is 250mg ACE + 100mg multiglandular complex.

> Perhaps the dose is too high. Or perhaps it's the multi-glandular

> complex that's making me feel worse.

>

> But I haven't had any luck with Teitlebaum's Adrenal Stress End

> product either, which has 33mg of ACE + 400mg adrenal polypeptide

> fractions + licorice + vitamins. Though it's been a while since I

> tried it... might try it again just to see what happens. I've been

> considering purchasing ACE alone and trying small doses, but I'm not

> very optimistic it will help, given my other experiences.

>

> I've also never felt any better with HC. Again, maybe if I can tune

> the dosing properly, it could end up helping.

>

> Thanks for the suggestion about Maca root. Maybe that's worth a try.

>

> Darren

>

>

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For a long time I have been trying to understand the difference between the

glandular products.

I have come to conclude the following:

1) ISOCORT is a freeze dried adrenal CORTEX (outer part of adrenal gland.

the inner medulla is where adrenaline is made). It contains Echinacea,

Prunus and Lomatium Dissectum. So it is a combination product which is why

some people can react to it? It also contains 2.5mg of cortisol - but where

does this information of cortisol content come from, because other

glandulars claim they don't contain cortisol (so I hear). So why does this

one?

2) Then we have what are marketed as GLANDULARS. One option is Adrenal

Cytotrophin by Enzyme Process

https://www.enzymeprocess.com/product_info.php?cPath=1&products_id=1&osCsid=ook3\

ccimcn6j2ukfvn8b7dc3p5.

It is the only glandular that we get in South Africa. I have seen and felt

wonderful effects from this and not seen a side-effect yet in many trials

with other people. It says it has 'Adrenal Substance USP bovine'. Now does

that mean there is no cortisol? Does it means it has medulla also, which

means it could contain some adrenaline?

And could the adrenaline content be why some of you can't tolerate some

glandulars?

Of course the importers just don't get my questions and I have had no help

from them. They say there are no hormones, only peptide chains. But I can

hear they don't really know what is going on.

3) Adrenal Cortical Extract - now this is a glandular, but only the cortex

of the gland I think, but what makes it different to Isocort? Is it just the

fact that it is a liquid.

Forgive me for asking this again, but it seems that nobody can offer me

clarity and any opinions would help. I'm desperate to understand this.

Also, could it be that some of you that are reacting to this is because you

have a leaky gut? Or a food allergy to bovine (beef) tissue?

Thanks,

DeanSA

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>I don't understand why either, but when I first tried ACE about two years

>ago, I reacted to it also, and quit taking it. I don't remember exactly

>what, and I may have taken too much and should have built up slower, but I

>remember not liking it and quitting. I then tried Isocort shortly after

>that, and it felt great! I thought I'd hit the jackpot! It worked for

>awhile, until my appendix ordeal and huge setback, which was a huge beating

>on my adrenals. I then went on HC about a year ago, and some ACE, which

>definitely helped. Lately I have been experimenting with larger doses of

>ACE, and have taken as much as 900mg a few days. Then it starts feeling

>like too much. So some days I have only used 250mg, but my average lately

>has been 500-750mg, with 10-20 mg of HC. So, I don't understand either why

>I couldn't tolerate it then and tolerate alot of it now. I don't know if

>it's because of supplements or what. I do know that my thyroid antibodies

>have dropped during this time, and other things have gotten better, like my

>ferritin and Vit D levels. I also use more digestive aids now and absorb

>nutrients better. But I really can't say *what* made the

>difference.-----------Jackie

>

>

>

> In frequent-dose-chelation accs4 wrote:

>

> Just to add my two cents, I also recently tried ACE along with a

> multi-glandular

> supplement called H-R-F Thalamic for a few days. I was very hopeful about

> them, but I,

> too, seemed to experience a negative reaction.

>

> This may be totally naive, but is it possible that if someone has

> autoimmune tendencies

> (e.g., against adrenal glands), the extra amount of these substances

> could cause a flare up

> and result in attacks against the glands, or other body tissue, leading

> to a temporary

> worsening of symptoms?

>

>

>

>

> >

> > For what it's worth, I have adrenal fatigue (verified via saliva

> > hormone testing), and I have felt horrible each time I've tried

> > ADRENergize, which is 250mg ACE + 100mg multiglandular complex.

> > Perhaps the dose is too high. Or perhaps it's the multi-glandular

> > complex that's making me feel worse.

> >

> > But I haven't had any luck with Teitlebaum's Adrenal Stress End

> > product either, which has 33mg of ACE + 400mg adrenal polypeptide

> > fractions + licorice + vitamins. Though it's been a while since I

> > tried it... might try it again just to see what happens. I've been

> > considering purchasing ACE alone and trying small doses, but I'm not

> > very optimistic it will help, given my other experiences.

> >

> > I've also never felt any better with HC. Again, maybe if I can tune

> > the dosing properly, it could end up helping.

> >

> > Thanks for the suggestion about Maca root. Maybe that's worth a try.

> >

> > Darren

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

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For a long time I have been trying to understand the difference between the

glandular products.

I have come to conclude the following:

1) ISOCORT is a freeze dried adrenal CORTEX (outer part of adrenal gland.

the inner medulla is where adrenaline is made). It contains Echinacea,

Prunus and Lomatium Dissectum. So it is a combination product which is why

some people can react to it? It also contains 2.5mg of cortisol - but where

does this information of cortisol content come from, because other

glandulars claim they don't contain cortisol (so I hear). So why does this

one?

2) Then we have what are marketed as GLANDULARS. One option is Adrenal

Cytotrophin by Enzyme Process

https://www.enzymeprocess.com/product_info.php?cPath=1&products_id=1&osCsid=ook3\

ccimcn6j2ukfvn8b7dc3p5.

It is the only glandular that we get in South Africa. I have seen and felt

wonderful effects from this and not seen a side-effect yet in many trials

with other people. It says it has 'Adrenal Substance USP bovine'. Now does

that mean there is no cortisol? Does it means it has medulla also, which

means it could contain some adrenaline?

And could the adrenaline content be why some of you can't tolerate some

glandulars?

Of course the importers just don't get my questions and I have had no help

from them. They say there are no hormones, only peptide chains. But I can

hear they don't really know what is going on.

3) Adrenal Cortical Extract - now this is a glandular, but only the cortex

of the gland I think, but what makes it different to Isocort? Is it just the

fact that it is a liquid.

Forgive me for asking this again, but it seems that nobody can offer me

clarity and any opinions would help. I'm desperate to understand this.

Also, could it be that some of you that are reacting to this is because you

have a leaky gut? Or a food allergy to bovine (beef) tissue?

Thanks,

DeanSA

Re: Re: Help with Adrenal Cortex

>I don't understand why either, but when I first tried ACE about two years

>ago, I reacted to it also, and quit taking it. I don't remember exactly

>what, and I may have taken too much and should have built up slower, but I

>remember not liking it and quitting. I then tried Isocort shortly after

>that, and it felt great! I thought I'd hit the jackpot! It worked for

>awhile, until my appendix ordeal and huge setback, which was a huge beating

>on my adrenals. I then went on HC about a year ago, and some ACE, which

>definitely helped. Lately I have been experimenting with larger doses of

>ACE, and have taken as much as 900mg a few days. Then it starts feeling

>like too much. So some days I have only used 250mg, but my average lately

>has been 500-750mg, with 10-20 mg of HC. So, I don't understand either why

>I couldn't tolerate it then and tolerate alot of it now. I don't know if

>it's because of supplements or what. I do know that my thyroid antibodies

>have dropped during this time, and other things have gotten better, like my

>ferritin and Vit D levels. I also use more digestive aids now and absorb

>nutrients better. But I really can't say *what* made the

>difference.-----------Jackie

>

>

>

> In frequent-dose-chelation accs4 wrote:

>

> Just to add my two cents, I also recently tried ACE along with a

> multi-glandular

> supplement called H-R-F Thalamic for a few days. I was very hopeful about

> them, but I,

> too, seemed to experience a negative reaction.

>

> This may be totally naive, but is it possible that if someone has

> autoimmune tendencies

> (e.g., against adrenal glands), the extra amount of these substances

> could cause a flare up

> and result in attacks against the glands, or other body tissue, leading

> to a temporary

> worsening of symptoms?

>

>

>

>

> >

> > For what it's worth, I have adrenal fatigue (verified via saliva

> > hormone testing), and I have felt horrible each time I've tried

> > ADRENergize, which is 250mg ACE + 100mg multiglandular complex.

> > Perhaps the dose is too high. Or perhaps it's the multi-glandular

> > complex that's making me feel worse.

> >

> > But I haven't had any luck with Teitlebaum's Adrenal Stress End

> > product either, which has 33mg of ACE + 400mg adrenal polypeptide

> > fractions + licorice + vitamins. Though it's been a while since I

> > tried it... might try it again just to see what happens. I've been

> > considering purchasing ACE alone and trying small doses, but I'm not

> > very optimistic it will help, given my other experiences.

> >

> > I've also never felt any better with HC. Again, maybe if I can tune

> > the dosing properly, it could end up helping.

> >

> > Thanks for the suggestion about Maca root. Maybe that's worth a try.

> >

> > Darren

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

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For a long time I have been trying to understand the difference between the

glandular products.

I have come to conclude the following:

1) ISOCORT is a freeze dried adrenal CORTEX (outer part of adrenal gland.

the inner medulla is where adrenaline is made). It contains Echinacea,

Prunus and Lomatium Dissectum. So it is a combination product which is why

some people can react to it? It also contains 2.5mg of cortisol - but where

does this information of cortisol content come from, because other

glandulars claim they don't contain cortisol (so I hear). So why does this

one?

2) Then we have what are marketed as GLANDULARS. One option is Adrenal

Cytotrophin by Enzyme Process

https://www.enzymeprocess.com/product_info.php?cPath=1&products_id=1&osCsid=ook3\

ccimcn6j2ukfvn8b7dc3p5.

It is the only glandular that we get in South Africa. I have seen and felt

wonderful effects from this and not seen a side-effect yet in many trials

with other people. It says it has 'Adrenal Substance USP bovine'. Now does

that mean there is no cortisol? Does it means it has medulla also, which

means it could contain some adrenaline?

And could the adrenaline content be why some of you can't tolerate some

glandulars?

Of course the importers just don't get my questions and I have had no help

from them. They say there are no hormones, only peptide chains. But I can

hear they don't really know what is going on.

3) Adrenal Cortical Extract - now this is a glandular, but only the cortex

of the gland I think, but what makes it different to Isocort? Is it just the

fact that it is a liquid.

Forgive me for asking this again, but it seems that nobody can offer me

clarity and any opinions would help. I'm desperate to understand this.

Also, could it be that some of you that are reacting to this is because you

have a leaky gut? Or a food allergy to bovine (beef) tissue?

Thanks,

DeanSA

Re: Re: Help with Adrenal Cortex

>I don't understand why either, but when I first tried ACE about two years

>ago, I reacted to it also, and quit taking it. I don't remember exactly

>what, and I may have taken too much and should have built up slower, but I

>remember not liking it and quitting. I then tried Isocort shortly after

>that, and it felt great! I thought I'd hit the jackpot! It worked for

>awhile, until my appendix ordeal and huge setback, which was a huge beating

>on my adrenals. I then went on HC about a year ago, and some ACE, which

>definitely helped. Lately I have been experimenting with larger doses of

>ACE, and have taken as much as 900mg a few days. Then it starts feeling

>like too much. So some days I have only used 250mg, but my average lately

>has been 500-750mg, with 10-20 mg of HC. So, I don't understand either why

>I couldn't tolerate it then and tolerate alot of it now. I don't know if

>it's because of supplements or what. I do know that my thyroid antibodies

>have dropped during this time, and other things have gotten better, like my

>ferritin and Vit D levels. I also use more digestive aids now and absorb

>nutrients better. But I really can't say *what* made the

>difference.-----------Jackie

>

>

>

> In frequent-dose-chelation accs4 wrote:

>

> Just to add my two cents, I also recently tried ACE along with a

> multi-glandular

> supplement called H-R-F Thalamic for a few days. I was very hopeful about

> them, but I,

> too, seemed to experience a negative reaction.

>

> This may be totally naive, but is it possible that if someone has

> autoimmune tendencies

> (e.g., against adrenal glands), the extra amount of these substances

> could cause a flare up

> and result in attacks against the glands, or other body tissue, leading

> to a temporary

> worsening of symptoms?

>

>

>

>

> >

> > For what it's worth, I have adrenal fatigue (verified via saliva

> > hormone testing), and I have felt horrible each time I've tried

> > ADRENergize, which is 250mg ACE + 100mg multiglandular complex.

> > Perhaps the dose is too high. Or perhaps it's the multi-glandular

> > complex that's making me feel worse.

> >

> > But I haven't had any luck with Teitlebaum's Adrenal Stress End

> > product either, which has 33mg of ACE + 400mg adrenal polypeptide

> > fractions + licorice + vitamins. Though it's been a while since I

> > tried it... might try it again just to see what happens. I've been

> > considering purchasing ACE alone and trying small doses, but I'm not

> > very optimistic it will help, given my other experiences.

> >

> > I've also never felt any better with HC. Again, maybe if I can tune

> > the dosing properly, it could end up helping.

> >

> > Thanks for the suggestion about Maca root. Maybe that's worth a try.

> >

> > Darren

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

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> Dean, thank you so much for referring the links regarding adrenal

problems & 's Temperature Syndrome. This was very enlightening

for me as I'm trying to grasp the adrenal/thyroid connection within

the toxicity problem. Ever since starting the chelation process I

have been on HC without much success. I thought that maybe it was a

dosage problem & am finally on the " optimum " 20mg dosage. I still

have not improved however, so I started checking into the thyroid

connection. It has been difficult to get my docs cooperation since my

labs were " normal " but I finally convinced her from my tracking of

temps. The problem with so much information out there is that it is

difficult to know what to believe and follow. I read info on Thyroid

Madness & felt that Armour was the safest route, although metal

toxicity was not factored into their protocols. I started on a low

dosage of Armour (1gr) 2 wks ago and felt worse. Was easily explained

by them as too low a dosage, so now I have added another 1/2gr.

According to 's Temp Syndrome, Armour does not work and

sustained release T3 is the best protocol. Do any of you readers have

experience with this? I appreciate all of you!

Joy

>

> > Have a look at this information on 's Temperature Syndrome.

> http://www.livingnetwork.co.za/healingnetwork/wilsons_syndrome1.html

>

> Cold hands always make me think of thyroid issues.

> You'll see how the adrenals and thyroid interact so strongly that

if you

> treat one you affect the other.

> http://www.livingnetwork.co.za/healingnetwork/adrenals_thyroid.html

>

> I suspect that treating the adrenals changes your cortisol output

and this

> has an effect on your thyroid.

> Increasing cortisol induces your body to make more RT3 than make

> temperatures low and all enzymes (including in your brain)

dysfunctional.

>

> Have you tried HC?

> I would turn my attention to your thyroid also.

> DeanSA

>

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In frequent-dose-chelation DeanNetwork wrote:

For a long time I have been trying to understand the difference between the

glandular products.

I have come to conclude the following:

1) ISOCORT is a freeze dried adrenal CORTEX (outer part of adrenal gland.

the inner medulla is where adrenaline is made). It contains Echinacea,

Prunus and Lomatium Dissectum. So it is a combination product which is why

some people can react to it? It also contains 2.5mg of cortisol - but where

does this information of cortisol content come from, because other

glandulars claim they don't contain cortisol (so I hear). So why does this

one?

------------I believe I heard it on the NaturalThyroidHormone group, that it

contained 2.5mg of cortisol per pellet. It makes sense, because they say not to

take more than 8 pellets a day, which would equal 20mg of HC, which is known as

the safe daily dose. I tolerated it just fine, and it felt like I was getting

cortisol.-----Jackie

2) Then we have what are marketed as GLANDULARS. One option is Adrenal

Cytotrophin by Enzyme Process

https://www.enzymeprocess.com/product_info.php?cPath=1&products_id=1&osCsid=ook3\

ccimcn6j2ukfvn8b7dc3p5.

It is the only glandular that we get in South Africa. I have seen and felt

wonderful effects from this and not seen a side-effect yet in many trials

with other people. It says it has 'Adrenal Substance USP bovine'. Now does

that mean there is no cortisol? Does it means it has medulla also, which

means it could contain some adrenaline?

----------I don't know what they actually contain, but I know Andy recommends

the cortex, not the whole glandular, and maybe that's why.--------Jackie

And could the adrenaline content be why some of you can't tolerate some

glandulars?

------------That certainly sounds reasonable to me.---------Jackie

Of course the importers just don't get my questions and I have had no help

from them. They say there are no hormones, only peptide chains. But I can

hear they don't really know what is going on.

3) Adrenal Cortical Extract - now this is a glandular, but only the cortex

of the gland I think, but what makes it different to Isocort? Is it just the

fact that it is a liquid.

----------I don't know. I was just given the impression that Isocort

contained cortisol, and could be used if you couldn't get HC. Again, this was

from the NaturalThyroidHormone group. I don't recall them promoting the use of

glandulars at all, but I haven't read over there for a long time. Again, I have

used Isocort, HC, and ACE, and Isocort felt like HC to me. Now that I've been

taking more ACE with my HC, it does feel like ACE does something *different*

than HC. It has felt like HC has just kept me afloat, but now using both of

them together, it actually feels like my adrenals may be doing some repairing.

Again, this is just all my subjective feelings and speculation about

this.----------Jackie

Forgive me for asking this again, but it seems that nobody can offer me

clarity and any opinions would help. I'm desperate to understand this.

------------I'm not clear on this either Dean, and maybe we should ask Andy?

I can send him the post number, and we'll see if he has time to

respond.--------Jackie

Also, could it be that some of you that are reacting to this is because you

have a leaky gut? Or a food allergy to bovine (beef) tissue?

----------Yes, I would also like to understand why some people react to it,

and others are helped greatly. And for myself, why I didn't tolerate it a

couple years ago, but now I tolerate *lots*. I don't think allergy to beef

would answer my case. I have always eaten beef all along, I need alot of

protein and always feel best when I eat meat and vegetables, so I don't think

that's it for me. Maybe others though.-----Jackie

Thanks,

DeanSA

In frequent-dose-chelation > Jackie wrote:

>I don't understand why either, but when I first tried ACE about two years

>ago, I reacted to it also, and quit taking it. I don't remember exactly

>what, and I may have taken too much and should have built up slower, but I

>remember not liking it and quitting. I then tried Isocort shortly after

>that, and it felt great! I thought I'd hit the jackpot! It worked for

>awhile, until my appendix ordeal and huge setback, which was a huge beating

>on my adrenals. I then went on HC about a year ago, and some ACE, which

>definitely helped. Lately I have been experimenting with larger doses of

>ACE, and have taken as much as 900mg a few days. Then it starts feeling

>like too much. So some days I have only used 250mg, but my average lately

>has been 500-750mg, with 10-20 mg of HC. So, I don't understand either why

>I couldn't tolerate it then and tolerate alot of it now. I don't know if

>it's because of supplements or what. I do know that my thyroid antibodies

>have dropped during this time, and other things have gotten better, like my

>ferritin and Vit D levels. I also use more digestive aids now and absorb

>nutrients better. But I really can't say *what* made the

>difference.-----------Jackie

>

>

>

> In frequent-dose-chelation accs4 wrote:

>

> Just to add my two cents, I also recently tried ACE along with a

> multi-glandular

> supplement called H-R-F Thalamic for a few days. I was very hopeful about

> them, but I,

> too, seemed to experience a negative reaction.

>

> This may be totally naive, but is it possible that if someone has

> autoimmune tendencies

> (e.g., against adrenal glands), the extra amount of these substances

> could cause a flare up

> and result in attacks against the glands, or other body tissue, leading

> to a temporary

> worsening of symptoms?

>

>

>

>

> >

> > For what it's worth, I have adrenal fatigue (verified via saliva

> > hormone testing), and I have felt horrible each time I've tried

> > ADRENergize, which is 250mg ACE + 100mg multiglandular complex.

> > Perhaps the dose is too high. Or perhaps it's the multi-glandular

> > complex that's making me feel worse.

> >

> > But I haven't had any luck with Teitlebaum's Adrenal Stress End

> > product either, which has 33mg of ACE + 400mg adrenal polypeptide

> > fractions + licorice + vitamins. Though it's been a while since I

> > tried it... might try it again just to see what happens. I've been

> > considering purchasing ACE alone and trying small doses, but I'm not

> > very optimistic it will help, given my other experiences.

> >

> > I've also never felt any better with HC. Again, maybe if I can tune

> > the dosing properly, it could end up helping.

> >

> > Thanks for the suggestion about Maca root. Maybe that's worth a try.

> >

> > Darren

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

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In frequent-dose-chelation DeanNetwork wrote:

For a long time I have been trying to understand the difference between the

glandular products.

I have come to conclude the following:

1) ISOCORT is a freeze dried adrenal CORTEX (outer part of adrenal gland.

the inner medulla is where adrenaline is made). It contains Echinacea,

Prunus and Lomatium Dissectum. So it is a combination product which is why

some people can react to it? It also contains 2.5mg of cortisol - but where

does this information of cortisol content come from, because other

glandulars claim they don't contain cortisol (so I hear). So why does this

one?

------------I believe I heard it on the NaturalThyroidHormone group, that it

contained 2.5mg of cortisol per pellet. It makes sense, because they say not to

take more than 8 pellets a day, which would equal 20mg of HC, which is known as

the safe daily dose. I tolerated it just fine, and it felt like I was getting

cortisol.-----Jackie

2) Then we have what are marketed as GLANDULARS. One option is Adrenal

Cytotrophin by Enzyme Process

https://www.enzymeprocess.com/product_info.php?cPath=1&products_id=1&osCsid=ook3\

ccimcn6j2ukfvn8b7dc3p5.

It is the only glandular that we get in South Africa. I have seen and felt

wonderful effects from this and not seen a side-effect yet in many trials

with other people. It says it has 'Adrenal Substance USP bovine'. Now does

that mean there is no cortisol? Does it means it has medulla also, which

means it could contain some adrenaline?

----------I don't know what they actually contain, but I know Andy recommends

the cortex, not the whole glandular, and maybe that's why.--------Jackie

And could the adrenaline content be why some of you can't tolerate some

glandulars?

------------That certainly sounds reasonable to me.---------Jackie

Of course the importers just don't get my questions and I have had no help

from them. They say there are no hormones, only peptide chains. But I can

hear they don't really know what is going on.

3) Adrenal Cortical Extract - now this is a glandular, but only the cortex

of the gland I think, but what makes it different to Isocort? Is it just the

fact that it is a liquid.

----------I don't know. I was just given the impression that Isocort

contained cortisol, and could be used if you couldn't get HC. Again, this was

from the NaturalThyroidHormone group. I don't recall them promoting the use of

glandulars at all, but I haven't read over there for a long time. Again, I have

used Isocort, HC, and ACE, and Isocort felt like HC to me. Now that I've been

taking more ACE with my HC, it does feel like ACE does something *different*

than HC. It has felt like HC has just kept me afloat, but now using both of

them together, it actually feels like my adrenals may be doing some repairing.

Again, this is just all my subjective feelings and speculation about

this.----------Jackie

Forgive me for asking this again, but it seems that nobody can offer me

clarity and any opinions would help. I'm desperate to understand this.

------------I'm not clear on this either Dean, and maybe we should ask Andy?

I can send him the post number, and we'll see if he has time to

respond.--------Jackie

Also, could it be that some of you that are reacting to this is because you

have a leaky gut? Or a food allergy to bovine (beef) tissue?

----------Yes, I would also like to understand why some people react to it,

and others are helped greatly. And for myself, why I didn't tolerate it a

couple years ago, but now I tolerate *lots*. I don't think allergy to beef

would answer my case. I have always eaten beef all along, I need alot of

protein and always feel best when I eat meat and vegetables, so I don't think

that's it for me. Maybe others though.-----Jackie

Thanks,

DeanSA

In frequent-dose-chelation > Jackie wrote:

>I don't understand why either, but when I first tried ACE about two years

>ago, I reacted to it also, and quit taking it. I don't remember exactly

>what, and I may have taken too much and should have built up slower, but I

>remember not liking it and quitting. I then tried Isocort shortly after

>that, and it felt great! I thought I'd hit the jackpot! It worked for

>awhile, until my appendix ordeal and huge setback, which was a huge beating

>on my adrenals. I then went on HC about a year ago, and some ACE, which

>definitely helped. Lately I have been experimenting with larger doses of

>ACE, and have taken as much as 900mg a few days. Then it starts feeling

>like too much. So some days I have only used 250mg, but my average lately

>has been 500-750mg, with 10-20 mg of HC. So, I don't understand either why

>I couldn't tolerate it then and tolerate alot of it now. I don't know if

>it's because of supplements or what. I do know that my thyroid antibodies

>have dropped during this time, and other things have gotten better, like my

>ferritin and Vit D levels. I also use more digestive aids now and absorb

>nutrients better. But I really can't say *what* made the

>difference.-----------Jackie

>

>

>

> In frequent-dose-chelation accs4 wrote:

>

> Just to add my two cents, I also recently tried ACE along with a

> multi-glandular

> supplement called H-R-F Thalamic for a few days. I was very hopeful about

> them, but I,

> too, seemed to experience a negative reaction.

>

> This may be totally naive, but is it possible that if someone has

> autoimmune tendencies

> (e.g., against adrenal glands), the extra amount of these substances

> could cause a flare up

> and result in attacks against the glands, or other body tissue, leading

> to a temporary

> worsening of symptoms?

>

>

>

>

> >

> > For what it's worth, I have adrenal fatigue (verified via saliva

> > hormone testing), and I have felt horrible each time I've tried

> > ADRENergize, which is 250mg ACE + 100mg multiglandular complex.

> > Perhaps the dose is too high. Or perhaps it's the multi-glandular

> > complex that's making me feel worse.

> >

> > But I haven't had any luck with Teitlebaum's Adrenal Stress End

> > product either, which has 33mg of ACE + 400mg adrenal polypeptide

> > fractions + licorice + vitamins. Though it's been a while since I

> > tried it... might try it again just to see what happens. I've been

> > considering purchasing ACE alone and trying small doses, but I'm not

> > very optimistic it will help, given my other experiences.

> >

> > I've also never felt any better with HC. Again, maybe if I can tune

> > the dosing properly, it could end up helping.

> >

> > Thanks for the suggestion about Maca root. Maybe that's worth a try.

> >

> > Darren

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

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In frequent-dose-chelation DeanNetwork wrote:

For a long time I have been trying to understand the difference between the

glandular products.

I have come to conclude the following:

1) ISOCORT is a freeze dried adrenal CORTEX (outer part of adrenal gland.

the inner medulla is where adrenaline is made). It contains Echinacea,

Prunus and Lomatium Dissectum. So it is a combination product which is why

some people can react to it? It also contains 2.5mg of cortisol - but where

does this information of cortisol content come from, because other

glandulars claim they don't contain cortisol (so I hear). So why does this

one?

------------I believe I heard it on the NaturalThyroidHormone group, that it

contained 2.5mg of cortisol per pellet. It makes sense, because they say not to

take more than 8 pellets a day, which would equal 20mg of HC, which is known as

the safe daily dose. I tolerated it just fine, and it felt like I was getting

cortisol.-----Jackie

2) Then we have what are marketed as GLANDULARS. One option is Adrenal

Cytotrophin by Enzyme Process

https://www.enzymeprocess.com/product_info.php?cPath=1&products_id=1&osCsid=ook3\

ccimcn6j2ukfvn8b7dc3p5.

It is the only glandular that we get in South Africa. I have seen and felt

wonderful effects from this and not seen a side-effect yet in many trials

with other people. It says it has 'Adrenal Substance USP bovine'. Now does

that mean there is no cortisol? Does it means it has medulla also, which

means it could contain some adrenaline?

----------I don't know what they actually contain, but I know Andy recommends

the cortex, not the whole glandular, and maybe that's why.--------Jackie

And could the adrenaline content be why some of you can't tolerate some

glandulars?

------------That certainly sounds reasonable to me.---------Jackie

Of course the importers just don't get my questions and I have had no help

from them. They say there are no hormones, only peptide chains. But I can

hear they don't really know what is going on.

3) Adrenal Cortical Extract - now this is a glandular, but only the cortex

of the gland I think, but what makes it different to Isocort? Is it just the

fact that it is a liquid.

----------I don't know. I was just given the impression that Isocort

contained cortisol, and could be used if you couldn't get HC. Again, this was

from the NaturalThyroidHormone group. I don't recall them promoting the use of

glandulars at all, but I haven't read over there for a long time. Again, I have

used Isocort, HC, and ACE, and Isocort felt like HC to me. Now that I've been

taking more ACE with my HC, it does feel like ACE does something *different*

than HC. It has felt like HC has just kept me afloat, but now using both of

them together, it actually feels like my adrenals may be doing some repairing.

Again, this is just all my subjective feelings and speculation about

this.----------Jackie

Forgive me for asking this again, but it seems that nobody can offer me

clarity and any opinions would help. I'm desperate to understand this.

------------I'm not clear on this either Dean, and maybe we should ask Andy?

I can send him the post number, and we'll see if he has time to

respond.--------Jackie

Also, could it be that some of you that are reacting to this is because you

have a leaky gut? Or a food allergy to bovine (beef) tissue?

----------Yes, I would also like to understand why some people react to it,

and others are helped greatly. And for myself, why I didn't tolerate it a

couple years ago, but now I tolerate *lots*. I don't think allergy to beef

would answer my case. I have always eaten beef all along, I need alot of

protein and always feel best when I eat meat and vegetables, so I don't think

that's it for me. Maybe others though.-----Jackie

Thanks,

DeanSA

In frequent-dose-chelation > Jackie wrote:

>I don't understand why either, but when I first tried ACE about two years

>ago, I reacted to it also, and quit taking it. I don't remember exactly

>what, and I may have taken too much and should have built up slower, but I

>remember not liking it and quitting. I then tried Isocort shortly after

>that, and it felt great! I thought I'd hit the jackpot! It worked for

>awhile, until my appendix ordeal and huge setback, which was a huge beating

>on my adrenals. I then went on HC about a year ago, and some ACE, which

>definitely helped. Lately I have been experimenting with larger doses of

>ACE, and have taken as much as 900mg a few days. Then it starts feeling

>like too much. So some days I have only used 250mg, but my average lately

>has been 500-750mg, with 10-20 mg of HC. So, I don't understand either why

>I couldn't tolerate it then and tolerate alot of it now. I don't know if

>it's because of supplements or what. I do know that my thyroid antibodies

>have dropped during this time, and other things have gotten better, like my

>ferritin and Vit D levels. I also use more digestive aids now and absorb

>nutrients better. But I really can't say *what* made the

>difference.-----------Jackie

>

>

>

> In frequent-dose-chelation accs4 wrote:

>

> Just to add my two cents, I also recently tried ACE along with a

> multi-glandular

> supplement called H-R-F Thalamic for a few days. I was very hopeful about

> them, but I,

> too, seemed to experience a negative reaction.

>

> This may be totally naive, but is it possible that if someone has

> autoimmune tendencies

> (e.g., against adrenal glands), the extra amount of these substances

> could cause a flare up

> and result in attacks against the glands, or other body tissue, leading

> to a temporary

> worsening of symptoms?

>

>

>

>

> >

> > For what it's worth, I have adrenal fatigue (verified via saliva

> > hormone testing), and I have felt horrible each time I've tried

> > ADRENergize, which is 250mg ACE + 100mg multiglandular complex.

> > Perhaps the dose is too high. Or perhaps it's the multi-glandular

> > complex that's making me feel worse.

> >

> > But I haven't had any luck with Teitlebaum's Adrenal Stress End

> > product either, which has 33mg of ACE + 400mg adrenal polypeptide

> > fractions + licorice + vitamins. Though it's been a while since I

> > tried it... might try it again just to see what happens. I've been

> > considering purchasing ACE alone and trying small doses, but I'm not

> > very optimistic it will help, given my other experiences.

> >

> > I've also never felt any better with HC. Again, maybe if I can tune

> > the dosing properly, it could end up helping.

> >

> > Thanks for the suggestion about Maca root. Maybe that's worth a try.

> >

> > Darren

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

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If your adrenal problem involves having a lot of adrenaline,

then taking any form of adrenal support might calm you down

a lot, to that point that you feel really crashed out.

When I got up to 10-15 mg HC, I started calming down in a

way that felt uncomfortable. I was really out of it and could

not get up from the couch. Hard to explain. Very strange

experience.

I realize that sounds different from your experience, because

I didn't have what I would call " depression " (although I did

have a lot of internal negativity). Still, I wonder if you were

experiencing an effect of reduced adrenaline.

I had no idea I had excess adrenaline before I took HC. My

experience of adrenaline does not involve anxiety, per se, more

like excitement and feeling energized and functional. I used

to think that was normal before I was on adrenal support.

--

> > >

> > > Took my first doses of Adrenal Cortex today. It is the

> Nutricology

> > > brand that many here have endorsed. First dose in morning was

> half

> > of

> > > a 250mg cap. Didn't feel anything from it. The next dose, also

> half

> > a

> > > cap, was at noon. Didn't feel anything really, except about 2

> hours

> > > later it did seem I had more energy when I usually get waves of

> > > fatigue. By 4:00 though serious fatigue, more than usual, and a

> > glum

> > > depressed mood hit rather quickly. Felt like a crash. I wonder

> what

> > > the halflife of ACE is.

> > >

> > > What was that crash? Did that mean I should have taken a third

> > dose?

> > > Did the noon dose wear off?

> > >

> > > I am also wondering what typical doses and dosing schedules do

> > people

> > > use with ACE. I know there is variation from person to person,

> but

> > I'm

> > > just trying to get a feel for general patterns or trends.

> Curious

> > to

> > > know if increased waves of fatigue is experienced when starting

> ACE.

> > >

> >

>

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, DeanSA, or anyone with adrenal problems and who have had a hair test:

What said about adrenaline got me thinking about what Andy says in HTI

page 112-113. " Potassium and sodium up, with calcium and magnesium down, means

the person's adrenals are shot, making way too much adrenaline but not enough

cortisol. " Then, " Potassium and sodium down, with calcium and magnesium up,

means the person's adrenals not making enough cortisol or adrenaline and their

thyroid is somewhat low too. "

So could this adrenaline thing and its relation to Cal/Mag and Na/K being up or

down, have anything to do with who tolerates adrenal support or not, especially

ACE?

For example, my hair test shows Cal/Mag down, really low, and Na/K in the

middle, not high, so according to this, Andy says I make too much adrenaline and

not enough cortisol. But I am taking ACE and HC right now, and tolerate both of

them just fine. So could others tell us what their hair tests says and how they

react to ACE? I'm just curious if there's any pattern to it.-----------Jackie

In frequent-dose-chelation wrote:

If your adrenal problem involves having a lot of adrenaline,

then taking any form of adrenal support might calm you down

a lot, to that point that you feel really crashed out.

When I got up to 10-15 mg HC, I started calming down in a

way that felt uncomfortable. I was really out of it and could

not get up from the couch. Hard to explain. Very strange

experience.

I realize that sounds different from your experience, because

I didn't have what I would call " depression " (although I did

have a lot of internal negativity). Still, I wonder if you were

experiencing an effect of reduced adrenaline.

I had no idea I had excess adrenaline before I took HC. My

experience of adrenaline does not involve anxiety, per se, more

like excitement and feeling energized and functional. I used

to think that was normal before I was on adrenal support.

--

> > >

> > > Took my first doses of Adrenal Cortex today. It is the

> Nutricology

> > > brand that many here have endorsed. First dose in morning was

> half

> > of

> > > a 250mg cap. Didn't feel anything from it. The next dose, also

> half

> > a

> > > cap, was at noon. Didn't feel anything really, except about 2

> hours

> > > later it did seem I had more energy when I usually get waves of

> > > fatigue. By 4:00 though serious fatigue, more than usual, and a

> > glum

> > > depressed mood hit rather quickly. Felt like a crash. I wonder

> what

> > > the halflife of ACE is.

> > >

> > > What was that crash? Did that mean I should have taken a third

> > dose?

> > > Did the noon dose wear off?

> > >

> > > I am also wondering what typical doses and dosing schedules do

> > people

> > > use with ACE. I know there is variation from person to person,

> but

> > I'm

> > > just trying to get a feel for general patterns or trends.

> Curious

> > to

> > > know if increased waves of fatigue is experienced when starting

> ACE.

> > >

> >

>

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, DeanSA, or anyone with adrenal problems and who have had a hair test:

What said about adrenaline got me thinking about what Andy says in HTI

page 112-113. " Potassium and sodium up, with calcium and magnesium down, means

the person's adrenals are shot, making way too much adrenaline but not enough

cortisol. " Then, " Potassium and sodium down, with calcium and magnesium up,

means the person's adrenals not making enough cortisol or adrenaline and their

thyroid is somewhat low too. "

So could this adrenaline thing and its relation to Cal/Mag and Na/K being up or

down, have anything to do with who tolerates adrenal support or not, especially

ACE?

For example, my hair test shows Cal/Mag down, really low, and Na/K in the

middle, not high, so according to this, Andy says I make too much adrenaline and

not enough cortisol. But I am taking ACE and HC right now, and tolerate both of

them just fine. So could others tell us what their hair tests says and how they

react to ACE? I'm just curious if there's any pattern to it.-----------Jackie

In frequent-dose-chelation wrote:

If your adrenal problem involves having a lot of adrenaline,

then taking any form of adrenal support might calm you down

a lot, to that point that you feel really crashed out.

When I got up to 10-15 mg HC, I started calming down in a

way that felt uncomfortable. I was really out of it and could

not get up from the couch. Hard to explain. Very strange

experience.

I realize that sounds different from your experience, because

I didn't have what I would call " depression " (although I did

have a lot of internal negativity). Still, I wonder if you were

experiencing an effect of reduced adrenaline.

I had no idea I had excess adrenaline before I took HC. My

experience of adrenaline does not involve anxiety, per se, more

like excitement and feeling energized and functional. I used

to think that was normal before I was on adrenal support.

--

> > >

> > > Took my first doses of Adrenal Cortex today. It is the

> Nutricology

> > > brand that many here have endorsed. First dose in morning was

> half

> > of

> > > a 250mg cap. Didn't feel anything from it. The next dose, also

> half

> > a

> > > cap, was at noon. Didn't feel anything really, except about 2

> hours

> > > later it did seem I had more energy when I usually get waves of

> > > fatigue. By 4:00 though serious fatigue, more than usual, and a

> > glum

> > > depressed mood hit rather quickly. Felt like a crash. I wonder

> what

> > > the halflife of ACE is.

> > >

> > > What was that crash? Did that mean I should have taken a third

> > dose?

> > > Did the noon dose wear off?

> > >

> > > I am also wondering what typical doses and dosing schedules do

> > people

> > > use with ACE. I know there is variation from person to person,

> but

> > I'm

> > > just trying to get a feel for general patterns or trends.

> Curious

> > to

> > > know if increased waves of fatigue is experienced when starting

> ACE.

> > >

> >

>

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