Guest guest Posted February 13, 2008 Report Share Posted February 13, 2008 Took my first doses of Adrenal Cortex today. It is the Nutricology brand that many here have endorsed. First dose in morning was half of a 250mg cap. Didn't feel anything from it. The next dose, also half a cap, was at noon. Didn't feel anything really, except about 2 hours later it did seem I had more energy when I usually get waves of fatigue. By 4:00 though serious fatigue, more than usual, and a glum depressed mood hit rather quickly. Felt like a crash. I wonder what the halflife of ACE is. What was that crash? Did that mean I should have taken a third dose? Did the noon dose wear off? I am also wondering what typical doses and dosing schedules do people use with ACE. I know there is variation from person to person, but I'm just trying to get a feel for general patterns or trends. Curious to know if increased waves of fatigue is experienced when starting ACE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2008 Report Share Posted February 13, 2008 You could try taking an afternoon dose, around 2:30-3:00pm and see if that helps. I have read that people who crash around mid-afternoon benefit from a dose then too. This was from the ever popular " Adrenal Fatigue, the 21st Syndrome " book. When I started on ACE, my dose schedule was 7AM, 12PM 3PM and a smaller dose just before bedtime. Experiment, its very personal. -Ed > > Took my first doses of Adrenal Cortex today. It is the Nutricology > brand that many here have endorsed. First dose in morning was half of > a 250mg cap. Didn't feel anything from it. The next dose, also half a > cap, was at noon. Didn't feel anything really, except about 2 hours > later it did seem I had more energy when I usually get waves of > fatigue. By 4:00 though serious fatigue, more than usual, and a glum > depressed mood hit rather quickly. Felt like a crash. I wonder what > the halflife of ACE is. > > What was that crash? Did that mean I should have taken a third dose? > Did the noon dose wear off? > > I am also wondering what typical doses and dosing schedules do people > use with ACE. I know there is variation from person to person, but I'm > just trying to get a feel for general patterns or trends. Curious to > know if increased waves of fatigue is experienced when starting ACE. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2008 Report Share Posted February 14, 2008 I can't speak to having the same experience of crashing but here is what I take (165 mg - genestra brand - canada) I take one in the morning and 2 at lunch around 1 pm and then 1/2 at dinner. I feel better doing two at lunch. It took experimentation. Good luck colette > > Took my first doses of Adrenal Cortex today. It is the Nutricology > brand that many here have endorsed. First dose in morning was half of > a 250mg cap. Didn't feel anything from it. The next dose, also half a > cap, was at noon. Didn't feel anything really, except about 2 hours > later it did seem I had more energy when I usually get waves of > fatigue. By 4:00 though serious fatigue, more than usual, and a glum > depressed mood hit rather quickly. Felt like a crash. I wonder what > the halflife of ACE is. > > What was that crash? Did that mean I should have taken a third dose? > Did the noon dose wear off? > > I am also wondering what typical doses and dosing schedules do people > use with ACE. I know there is variation from person to person, but I'm > just trying to get a feel for general patterns or trends. Curious to > know if increased waves of fatigue is experienced when starting ACE. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2008 Report Share Posted February 14, 2008 I can't speak to having the same experience of crashing but here is what I take (165 mg - genestra brand - canada) I take one in the morning and 2 at lunch around 1 pm and then 1/2 at dinner. I feel better doing two at lunch. It took experimentation. Good luck colette > > Took my first doses of Adrenal Cortex today. It is the Nutricology > brand that many here have endorsed. First dose in morning was half of > a 250mg cap. Didn't feel anything from it. The next dose, also half a > cap, was at noon. Didn't feel anything really, except about 2 hours > later it did seem I had more energy when I usually get waves of > fatigue. By 4:00 though serious fatigue, more than usual, and a glum > depressed mood hit rather quickly. Felt like a crash. I wonder what > the halflife of ACE is. > > What was that crash? Did that mean I should have taken a third dose? > Did the noon dose wear off? > > I am also wondering what typical doses and dosing schedules do people > use with ACE. I know there is variation from person to person, but I'm > just trying to get a feel for general patterns or trends. Curious to > know if increased waves of fatigue is experienced when starting ACE. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2008 Report Share Posted February 14, 2008 I can't speak to having the same experience of crashing but here is what I take (165 mg - genestra brand - canada) I take one in the morning and 2 at lunch around 1 pm and then 1/2 at dinner. I feel better doing two at lunch. It took experimentation. Good luck colette > > Took my first doses of Adrenal Cortex today. It is the Nutricology > brand that many here have endorsed. First dose in morning was half of > a 250mg cap. Didn't feel anything from it. The next dose, also half a > cap, was at noon. Didn't feel anything really, except about 2 hours > later it did seem I had more energy when I usually get waves of > fatigue. By 4:00 though serious fatigue, more than usual, and a glum > depressed mood hit rather quickly. Felt like a crash. I wonder what > the halflife of ACE is. > > What was that crash? Did that mean I should have taken a third dose? > Did the noon dose wear off? > > I am also wondering what typical doses and dosing schedules do people > use with ACE. I know there is variation from person to person, but I'm > just trying to get a feel for general patterns or trends. Curious to > know if increased waves of fatigue is experienced when starting ACE. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2008 Report Share Posted February 14, 2008 The whole idea of manipulating the adrenals is scaring me pretty bad. That is because no matter what I try, adrenal support sends me into a deep dark depression where I just want to give up and die. That includes the ginsengs, rhodiola, ashwaghanda, schizandra, isocort, topical hydrocortisone, and now my latest trial...adrenal cortex. Yeah, day two on the stuff has been a visit to hell. Just normal fatigue today, not bad, but the scary places a mind can go in such a short time from taking a supplement is terrifying. If someone said they would pay me a lot of money to try ACE again tomorrow I might do it. Other than that, no way. Of all the adrenal treatments, the only one I have found beneficial is miniscule doses of Maca root. I read somewhere that it is the unsung hero for treating adrenal fatigue, but not well known. It is usually known for boosting libido, which it did not do for me. In a 3 day trial it did take my lifelong cold hands and make them warm. Back on topic, ACE is not good for me. My usual depression is not anywhere near as intense as ACE and other adrenal treatments make it go very quickly. I sure wish I knew why assisting the adrenals makes me so deeply depressed I can hardly live. > > > > Took my first doses of Adrenal Cortex today. It is the Nutricology > > brand that many here have endorsed. First dose in morning was half > of > > a 250mg cap. Didn't feel anything from it. The next dose, also half > a > > cap, was at noon. Didn't feel anything really, except about 2 hours > > later it did seem I had more energy when I usually get waves of > > fatigue. By 4:00 though serious fatigue, more than usual, and a > glum > > depressed mood hit rather quickly. Felt like a crash. I wonder what > > the halflife of ACE is. > > > > What was that crash? Did that mean I should have taken a third > dose? > > Did the noon dose wear off? > > > > I am also wondering what typical doses and dosing schedules do > people > > use with ACE. I know there is variation from person to person, but > I'm > > just trying to get a feel for general patterns or trends. Curious > to > > know if increased waves of fatigue is experienced when starting ACE. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2008 Report Share Posted February 14, 2008 The whole idea of manipulating the adrenals is scaring me pretty bad. That is because no matter what I try, adrenal support sends me into a deep dark depression where I just want to give up and die. That includes the ginsengs, rhodiola, ashwaghanda, schizandra, isocort, topical hydrocortisone, and now my latest trial...adrenal cortex. Yeah, day two on the stuff has been a visit to hell. Just normal fatigue today, not bad, but the scary places a mind can go in such a short time from taking a supplement is terrifying. If someone said they would pay me a lot of money to try ACE again tomorrow I might do it. Other than that, no way. Of all the adrenal treatments, the only one I have found beneficial is miniscule doses of Maca root. I read somewhere that it is the unsung hero for treating adrenal fatigue, but not well known. It is usually known for boosting libido, which it did not do for me. In a 3 day trial it did take my lifelong cold hands and make them warm. Back on topic, ACE is not good for me. My usual depression is not anywhere near as intense as ACE and other adrenal treatments make it go very quickly. I sure wish I knew why assisting the adrenals makes me so deeply depressed I can hardly live. > > > > Took my first doses of Adrenal Cortex today. It is the Nutricology > > brand that many here have endorsed. First dose in morning was half > of > > a 250mg cap. Didn't feel anything from it. The next dose, also half > a > > cap, was at noon. Didn't feel anything really, except about 2 hours > > later it did seem I had more energy when I usually get waves of > > fatigue. By 4:00 though serious fatigue, more than usual, and a > glum > > depressed mood hit rather quickly. Felt like a crash. I wonder what > > the halflife of ACE is. > > > > What was that crash? Did that mean I should have taken a third > dose? > > Did the noon dose wear off? > > > > I am also wondering what typical doses and dosing schedules do > people > > use with ACE. I know there is variation from person to person, but > I'm > > just trying to get a feel for general patterns or trends. Curious > to > > know if increased waves of fatigue is experienced when starting ACE. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2008 Report Share Posted February 14, 2008 > It is > usually known for boosting libido, which it did not do for me. In a > 3 day trial it did take my lifelong cold hands and make them warm. > > Back on topic, ACE is not good for me. My usual depression is not > anywhere near as intense as ACE and other adrenal treatments make it > go very quickly. > > I sure wish I knew why assisting the adrenals makes me so deeply > depressed I can hardly live. Hi, What testing have you done for your thyroid and adrenals? Have you done saliva testing? What did your hair test say about adrenals and thyroid? Have you monitored your temperature and if so what are the results? Have a look at this information on 's Temperature Syndrome. http://www.livingnetwork.co.za/healingnetwork/wilsons_syndrome1.html Cold hands always make me think of thyroid issues. You'll see how the adrenals and thyroid interact so strongly that if you treat one you affect the other. http://www.livingnetwork.co.za/healingnetwork/adrenals_thyroid.html I suspect that treating the adrenals changes your cortisol output and this has an effect on your thyroid. Increasing cortisol induces your body to make more RT3 than make temperatures low and all enzymes (including in your brain) dysfunctional. Have you tried HC? I would turn my attention to your thyroid also. DeanSA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2008 Report Share Posted February 14, 2008 > It is > usually known for boosting libido, which it did not do for me. In a > 3 day trial it did take my lifelong cold hands and make them warm. > > Back on topic, ACE is not good for me. My usual depression is not > anywhere near as intense as ACE and other adrenal treatments make it > go very quickly. > > I sure wish I knew why assisting the adrenals makes me so deeply > depressed I can hardly live. Hi, What testing have you done for your thyroid and adrenals? Have you done saliva testing? What did your hair test say about adrenals and thyroid? Have you monitored your temperature and if so what are the results? Have a look at this information on 's Temperature Syndrome. http://www.livingnetwork.co.za/healingnetwork/wilsons_syndrome1.html Cold hands always make me think of thyroid issues. You'll see how the adrenals and thyroid interact so strongly that if you treat one you affect the other. http://www.livingnetwork.co.za/healingnetwork/adrenals_thyroid.html I suspect that treating the adrenals changes your cortisol output and this has an effect on your thyroid. Increasing cortisol induces your body to make more RT3 than make temperatures low and all enzymes (including in your brain) dysfunctional. Have you tried HC? I would turn my attention to your thyroid also. DeanSA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2008 Report Share Posted February 14, 2008 > It is > usually known for boosting libido, which it did not do for me. In a > 3 day trial it did take my lifelong cold hands and make them warm. > > Back on topic, ACE is not good for me. My usual depression is not > anywhere near as intense as ACE and other adrenal treatments make it > go very quickly. > > I sure wish I knew why assisting the adrenals makes me so deeply > depressed I can hardly live. Hi, What testing have you done for your thyroid and adrenals? Have you done saliva testing? What did your hair test say about adrenals and thyroid? Have you monitored your temperature and if so what are the results? Have a look at this information on 's Temperature Syndrome. http://www.livingnetwork.co.za/healingnetwork/wilsons_syndrome1.html Cold hands always make me think of thyroid issues. You'll see how the adrenals and thyroid interact so strongly that if you treat one you affect the other. http://www.livingnetwork.co.za/healingnetwork/adrenals_thyroid.html I suspect that treating the adrenals changes your cortisol output and this has an effect on your thyroid. Increasing cortisol induces your body to make more RT3 than make temperatures low and all enzymes (including in your brain) dysfunctional. Have you tried HC? I would turn my attention to your thyroid also. DeanSA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2008 Report Share Posted February 15, 2008 For what it's worth, I have adrenal fatigue (verified via saliva hormone testing), and I have felt horrible each time I've tried ADRENergize, which is 250mg ACE + 100mg multiglandular complex. Perhaps the dose is too high. Or perhaps it's the multi-glandular complex that's making me feel worse. But I haven't had any luck with Teitlebaum's Adrenal Stress End product either, which has 33mg of ACE + 400mg adrenal polypeptide fractions + licorice + vitamins. Though it's been a while since I tried it... might try it again just to see what happens. I've been considering purchasing ACE alone and trying small doses, but I'm not very optimistic it will help, given my other experiences. I've also never felt any better with HC. Again, maybe if I can tune the dosing properly, it could end up helping. Thanks for the suggestion about Maca root. Maybe that's worth a try. Darren > > > > You could try taking an afternoon dose, around 2:30-3:00pm and see > if > > that helps. I have read that people who crash around mid-afternoon > > benefit from a dose then too. This was from the ever > > popular " Adrenal Fatigue, the 21st Syndrome " book. > > > > When I started on ACE, my dose schedule was 7AM, 12PM 3PM and a > > smaller dose just before bedtime. > > > > Experiment, its very personal. > > > > -Ed > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2008 Report Share Posted February 15, 2008 For what it's worth, I have adrenal fatigue (verified via saliva hormone testing), and I have felt horrible each time I've tried ADRENergize, which is 250mg ACE + 100mg multiglandular complex. Perhaps the dose is too high. Or perhaps it's the multi-glandular complex that's making me feel worse. But I haven't had any luck with Teitlebaum's Adrenal Stress End product either, which has 33mg of ACE + 400mg adrenal polypeptide fractions + licorice + vitamins. Though it's been a while since I tried it... might try it again just to see what happens. I've been considering purchasing ACE alone and trying small doses, but I'm not very optimistic it will help, given my other experiences. I've also never felt any better with HC. Again, maybe if I can tune the dosing properly, it could end up helping. Thanks for the suggestion about Maca root. Maybe that's worth a try. Darren > > > > You could try taking an afternoon dose, around 2:30-3:00pm and see > if > > that helps. I have read that people who crash around mid-afternoon > > benefit from a dose then too. This was from the ever > > popular " Adrenal Fatigue, the 21st Syndrome " book. > > > > When I started on ACE, my dose schedule was 7AM, 12PM 3PM and a > > smaller dose just before bedtime. > > > > Experiment, its very personal. > > > > -Ed > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2008 Report Share Posted February 15, 2008 For what it's worth, I have adrenal fatigue (verified via saliva hormone testing), and I have felt horrible each time I've tried ADRENergize, which is 250mg ACE + 100mg multiglandular complex. Perhaps the dose is too high. Or perhaps it's the multi-glandular complex that's making me feel worse. But I haven't had any luck with Teitlebaum's Adrenal Stress End product either, which has 33mg of ACE + 400mg adrenal polypeptide fractions + licorice + vitamins. Though it's been a while since I tried it... might try it again just to see what happens. I've been considering purchasing ACE alone and trying small doses, but I'm not very optimistic it will help, given my other experiences. I've also never felt any better with HC. Again, maybe if I can tune the dosing properly, it could end up helping. Thanks for the suggestion about Maca root. Maybe that's worth a try. Darren > > > > You could try taking an afternoon dose, around 2:30-3:00pm and see > if > > that helps. I have read that people who crash around mid-afternoon > > benefit from a dose then too. This was from the ever > > popular " Adrenal Fatigue, the 21st Syndrome " book. > > > > When I started on ACE, my dose schedule was 7AM, 12PM 3PM and a > > smaller dose just before bedtime. > > > > Experiment, its very personal. > > > > -Ed > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2008 Report Share Posted February 15, 2008 Just to add my two cents, I also recently tried ACE along with a multi-glandular supplement called H-R-F Thalamic for a few days. I was very hopeful about them, but I, too, seemed to experience a negative reaction. This may be totally naive, but is it possible that if someone has autoimmune tendencies (e.g., against adrenal glands), the extra amount of these substances could cause a flare up and result in attacks against the glands, or other body tissue, leading to a temporary worsening of symptoms? > > For what it's worth, I have adrenal fatigue (verified via saliva > hormone testing), and I have felt horrible each time I've tried > ADRENergize, which is 250mg ACE + 100mg multiglandular complex. > Perhaps the dose is too high. Or perhaps it's the multi-glandular > complex that's making me feel worse. > > But I haven't had any luck with Teitlebaum's Adrenal Stress End > product either, which has 33mg of ACE + 400mg adrenal polypeptide > fractions + licorice + vitamins. Though it's been a while since I > tried it... might try it again just to see what happens. I've been > considering purchasing ACE alone and trying small doses, but I'm not > very optimistic it will help, given my other experiences. > > I've also never felt any better with HC. Again, maybe if I can tune > the dosing properly, it could end up helping. > > Thanks for the suggestion about Maca root. Maybe that's worth a try. > > Darren > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2008 Report Share Posted February 15, 2008 I don't understand why either, but when I first tried ACE about two years ago, I reacted to it also, and quit taking it. I don't remember exactly what, and I may have taken too much and should have built up slower, but I remember not liking it and quitting. I then tried Isocort shortly after that, and it felt great! I thought I'd hit the jackpot! It worked for awhile, until my appendix ordeal and huge setback, which was a huge beating on my adrenals. I then went on HC about a year ago, and some ACE, which definitely helped. Lately I have been experimenting with larger doses of ACE, and have taken as much as 900mg a few days. Then it starts feeling like too much. So some days I have only used 250mg, but my average lately has been 500-750mg, with 10-20 mg of HC. So, I don't understand either why I couldn't tolerate it then and tolerate alot of it now. I don't know if it's because of supplements or what. I do know that my thyroid antibodies have dropped during this time, and other things have gotten better, like my ferritin and Vit D levels. I also use more digestive aids now and absorb nutrients better. But I really can't say *what* made the difference.-----------Jackie In frequent-dose-chelation accs4 wrote: Just to add my two cents, I also recently tried ACE along with a multi-glandular supplement called H-R-F Thalamic for a few days. I was very hopeful about them, but I, too, seemed to experience a negative reaction. This may be totally naive, but is it possible that if someone has autoimmune tendencies (e.g., against adrenal glands), the extra amount of these substances could cause a flare up and result in attacks against the glands, or other body tissue, leading to a temporary worsening of symptoms? > > For what it's worth, I have adrenal fatigue (verified via saliva > hormone testing), and I have felt horrible each time I've tried > ADRENergize, which is 250mg ACE + 100mg multiglandular complex. > Perhaps the dose is too high. Or perhaps it's the multi-glandular > complex that's making me feel worse. > > But I haven't had any luck with Teitlebaum's Adrenal Stress End > product either, which has 33mg of ACE + 400mg adrenal polypeptide > fractions + licorice + vitamins. Though it's been a while since I > tried it... might try it again just to see what happens. I've been > considering purchasing ACE alone and trying small doses, but I'm not > very optimistic it will help, given my other experiences. > > I've also never felt any better with HC. Again, maybe if I can tune > the dosing properly, it could end up helping. > > Thanks for the suggestion about Maca root. Maybe that's worth a try. > > Darren > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2008 Report Share Posted February 15, 2008 For a long time I have been trying to understand the difference between the glandular products. I have come to conclude the following: 1) ISOCORT is a freeze dried adrenal CORTEX (outer part of adrenal gland. the inner medulla is where adrenaline is made). It contains Echinacea, Prunus and Lomatium Dissectum. So it is a combination product which is why some people can react to it? It also contains 2.5mg of cortisol - but where does this information of cortisol content come from, because other glandulars claim they don't contain cortisol (so I hear). So why does this one? 2) Then we have what are marketed as GLANDULARS. One option is Adrenal Cytotrophin by Enzyme Process https://www.enzymeprocess.com/product_info.php?cPath=1&products_id=1&osCsid=ook3\ ccimcn6j2ukfvn8b7dc3p5. It is the only glandular that we get in South Africa. I have seen and felt wonderful effects from this and not seen a side-effect yet in many trials with other people. It says it has 'Adrenal Substance USP bovine'. Now does that mean there is no cortisol? Does it means it has medulla also, which means it could contain some adrenaline? And could the adrenaline content be why some of you can't tolerate some glandulars? Of course the importers just don't get my questions and I have had no help from them. They say there are no hormones, only peptide chains. But I can hear they don't really know what is going on. 3) Adrenal Cortical Extract - now this is a glandular, but only the cortex of the gland I think, but what makes it different to Isocort? Is it just the fact that it is a liquid. Forgive me for asking this again, but it seems that nobody can offer me clarity and any opinions would help. I'm desperate to understand this. Also, could it be that some of you that are reacting to this is because you have a leaky gut? Or a food allergy to bovine (beef) tissue? Thanks, DeanSA Re: Re: Help with Adrenal Cortex >I don't understand why either, but when I first tried ACE about two years >ago, I reacted to it also, and quit taking it. I don't remember exactly >what, and I may have taken too much and should have built up slower, but I >remember not liking it and quitting. I then tried Isocort shortly after >that, and it felt great! I thought I'd hit the jackpot! It worked for >awhile, until my appendix ordeal and huge setback, which was a huge beating >on my adrenals. I then went on HC about a year ago, and some ACE, which >definitely helped. Lately I have been experimenting with larger doses of >ACE, and have taken as much as 900mg a few days. Then it starts feeling >like too much. So some days I have only used 250mg, but my average lately >has been 500-750mg, with 10-20 mg of HC. So, I don't understand either why >I couldn't tolerate it then and tolerate alot of it now. I don't know if >it's because of supplements or what. I do know that my thyroid antibodies >have dropped during this time, and other things have gotten better, like my >ferritin and Vit D levels. I also use more digestive aids now and absorb >nutrients better. But I really can't say *what* made the >difference.-----------Jackie > > > > In frequent-dose-chelation accs4 wrote: > > Just to add my two cents, I also recently tried ACE along with a > multi-glandular > supplement called H-R-F Thalamic for a few days. I was very hopeful about > them, but I, > too, seemed to experience a negative reaction. > > This may be totally naive, but is it possible that if someone has > autoimmune tendencies > (e.g., against adrenal glands), the extra amount of these substances > could cause a flare up > and result in attacks against the glands, or other body tissue, leading > to a temporary > worsening of symptoms? > > > > > > > > For what it's worth, I have adrenal fatigue (verified via saliva > > hormone testing), and I have felt horrible each time I've tried > > ADRENergize, which is 250mg ACE + 100mg multiglandular complex. > > Perhaps the dose is too high. Or perhaps it's the multi-glandular > > complex that's making me feel worse. > > > > But I haven't had any luck with Teitlebaum's Adrenal Stress End > > product either, which has 33mg of ACE + 400mg adrenal polypeptide > > fractions + licorice + vitamins. Though it's been a while since I > > tried it... might try it again just to see what happens. I've been > > considering purchasing ACE alone and trying small doses, but I'm not > > very optimistic it will help, given my other experiences. > > > > I've also never felt any better with HC. Again, maybe if I can tune > > the dosing properly, it could end up helping. > > > > Thanks for the suggestion about Maca root. Maybe that's worth a try. > > > > Darren > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2008 Report Share Posted February 15, 2008 For a long time I have been trying to understand the difference between the glandular products. I have come to conclude the following: 1) ISOCORT is a freeze dried adrenal CORTEX (outer part of adrenal gland. the inner medulla is where adrenaline is made). It contains Echinacea, Prunus and Lomatium Dissectum. So it is a combination product which is why some people can react to it? It also contains 2.5mg of cortisol - but where does this information of cortisol content come from, because other glandulars claim they don't contain cortisol (so I hear). So why does this one? 2) Then we have what are marketed as GLANDULARS. One option is Adrenal Cytotrophin by Enzyme Process https://www.enzymeprocess.com/product_info.php?cPath=1&products_id=1&osCsid=ook3\ ccimcn6j2ukfvn8b7dc3p5. It is the only glandular that we get in South Africa. I have seen and felt wonderful effects from this and not seen a side-effect yet in many trials with other people. It says it has 'Adrenal Substance USP bovine'. Now does that mean there is no cortisol? Does it means it has medulla also, which means it could contain some adrenaline? And could the adrenaline content be why some of you can't tolerate some glandulars? Of course the importers just don't get my questions and I have had no help from them. They say there are no hormones, only peptide chains. But I can hear they don't really know what is going on. 3) Adrenal Cortical Extract - now this is a glandular, but only the cortex of the gland I think, but what makes it different to Isocort? Is it just the fact that it is a liquid. Forgive me for asking this again, but it seems that nobody can offer me clarity and any opinions would help. I'm desperate to understand this. Also, could it be that some of you that are reacting to this is because you have a leaky gut? Or a food allergy to bovine (beef) tissue? Thanks, DeanSA Re: Re: Help with Adrenal Cortex >I don't understand why either, but when I first tried ACE about two years >ago, I reacted to it also, and quit taking it. I don't remember exactly >what, and I may have taken too much and should have built up slower, but I >remember not liking it and quitting. I then tried Isocort shortly after >that, and it felt great! I thought I'd hit the jackpot! It worked for >awhile, until my appendix ordeal and huge setback, which was a huge beating >on my adrenals. I then went on HC about a year ago, and some ACE, which >definitely helped. Lately I have been experimenting with larger doses of >ACE, and have taken as much as 900mg a few days. Then it starts feeling >like too much. So some days I have only used 250mg, but my average lately >has been 500-750mg, with 10-20 mg of HC. So, I don't understand either why >I couldn't tolerate it then and tolerate alot of it now. I don't know if >it's because of supplements or what. I do know that my thyroid antibodies >have dropped during this time, and other things have gotten better, like my >ferritin and Vit D levels. I also use more digestive aids now and absorb >nutrients better. But I really can't say *what* made the >difference.-----------Jackie > > > > In frequent-dose-chelation accs4 wrote: > > Just to add my two cents, I also recently tried ACE along with a > multi-glandular > supplement called H-R-F Thalamic for a few days. I was very hopeful about > them, but I, > too, seemed to experience a negative reaction. > > This may be totally naive, but is it possible that if someone has > autoimmune tendencies > (e.g., against adrenal glands), the extra amount of these substances > could cause a flare up > and result in attacks against the glands, or other body tissue, leading > to a temporary > worsening of symptoms? > > > > > > > > For what it's worth, I have adrenal fatigue (verified via saliva > > hormone testing), and I have felt horrible each time I've tried > > ADRENergize, which is 250mg ACE + 100mg multiglandular complex. > > Perhaps the dose is too high. Or perhaps it's the multi-glandular > > complex that's making me feel worse. > > > > But I haven't had any luck with Teitlebaum's Adrenal Stress End > > product either, which has 33mg of ACE + 400mg adrenal polypeptide > > fractions + licorice + vitamins. Though it's been a while since I > > tried it... might try it again just to see what happens. I've been > > considering purchasing ACE alone and trying small doses, but I'm not > > very optimistic it will help, given my other experiences. > > > > I've also never felt any better with HC. Again, maybe if I can tune > > the dosing properly, it could end up helping. > > > > Thanks for the suggestion about Maca root. Maybe that's worth a try. > > > > Darren > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2008 Report Share Posted February 15, 2008 For a long time I have been trying to understand the difference between the glandular products. I have come to conclude the following: 1) ISOCORT is a freeze dried adrenal CORTEX (outer part of adrenal gland. the inner medulla is where adrenaline is made). It contains Echinacea, Prunus and Lomatium Dissectum. So it is a combination product which is why some people can react to it? It also contains 2.5mg of cortisol - but where does this information of cortisol content come from, because other glandulars claim they don't contain cortisol (so I hear). So why does this one? 2) Then we have what are marketed as GLANDULARS. One option is Adrenal Cytotrophin by Enzyme Process https://www.enzymeprocess.com/product_info.php?cPath=1&products_id=1&osCsid=ook3\ ccimcn6j2ukfvn8b7dc3p5. It is the only glandular that we get in South Africa. I have seen and felt wonderful effects from this and not seen a side-effect yet in many trials with other people. It says it has 'Adrenal Substance USP bovine'. Now does that mean there is no cortisol? Does it means it has medulla also, which means it could contain some adrenaline? And could the adrenaline content be why some of you can't tolerate some glandulars? Of course the importers just don't get my questions and I have had no help from them. They say there are no hormones, only peptide chains. But I can hear they don't really know what is going on. 3) Adrenal Cortical Extract - now this is a glandular, but only the cortex of the gland I think, but what makes it different to Isocort? Is it just the fact that it is a liquid. Forgive me for asking this again, but it seems that nobody can offer me clarity and any opinions would help. I'm desperate to understand this. Also, could it be that some of you that are reacting to this is because you have a leaky gut? Or a food allergy to bovine (beef) tissue? Thanks, DeanSA Re: Re: Help with Adrenal Cortex >I don't understand why either, but when I first tried ACE about two years >ago, I reacted to it also, and quit taking it. I don't remember exactly >what, and I may have taken too much and should have built up slower, but I >remember not liking it and quitting. I then tried Isocort shortly after >that, and it felt great! I thought I'd hit the jackpot! It worked for >awhile, until my appendix ordeal and huge setback, which was a huge beating >on my adrenals. I then went on HC about a year ago, and some ACE, which >definitely helped. Lately I have been experimenting with larger doses of >ACE, and have taken as much as 900mg a few days. Then it starts feeling >like too much. So some days I have only used 250mg, but my average lately >has been 500-750mg, with 10-20 mg of HC. So, I don't understand either why >I couldn't tolerate it then and tolerate alot of it now. I don't know if >it's because of supplements or what. I do know that my thyroid antibodies >have dropped during this time, and other things have gotten better, like my >ferritin and Vit D levels. I also use more digestive aids now and absorb >nutrients better. But I really can't say *what* made the >difference.-----------Jackie > > > > In frequent-dose-chelation accs4 wrote: > > Just to add my two cents, I also recently tried ACE along with a > multi-glandular > supplement called H-R-F Thalamic for a few days. I was very hopeful about > them, but I, > too, seemed to experience a negative reaction. > > This may be totally naive, but is it possible that if someone has > autoimmune tendencies > (e.g., against adrenal glands), the extra amount of these substances > could cause a flare up > and result in attacks against the glands, or other body tissue, leading > to a temporary > worsening of symptoms? > > > > > > > > For what it's worth, I have adrenal fatigue (verified via saliva > > hormone testing), and I have felt horrible each time I've tried > > ADRENergize, which is 250mg ACE + 100mg multiglandular complex. > > Perhaps the dose is too high. Or perhaps it's the multi-glandular > > complex that's making me feel worse. > > > > But I haven't had any luck with Teitlebaum's Adrenal Stress End > > product either, which has 33mg of ACE + 400mg adrenal polypeptide > > fractions + licorice + vitamins. Though it's been a while since I > > tried it... might try it again just to see what happens. I've been > > considering purchasing ACE alone and trying small doses, but I'm not > > very optimistic it will help, given my other experiences. > > > > I've also never felt any better with HC. Again, maybe if I can tune > > the dosing properly, it could end up helping. > > > > Thanks for the suggestion about Maca root. Maybe that's worth a try. > > > > Darren > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2008 Report Share Posted February 15, 2008 > Dean, thank you so much for referring the links regarding adrenal problems & 's Temperature Syndrome. This was very enlightening for me as I'm trying to grasp the adrenal/thyroid connection within the toxicity problem. Ever since starting the chelation process I have been on HC without much success. I thought that maybe it was a dosage problem & am finally on the " optimum " 20mg dosage. I still have not improved however, so I started checking into the thyroid connection. It has been difficult to get my docs cooperation since my labs were " normal " but I finally convinced her from my tracking of temps. The problem with so much information out there is that it is difficult to know what to believe and follow. I read info on Thyroid Madness & felt that Armour was the safest route, although metal toxicity was not factored into their protocols. I started on a low dosage of Armour (1gr) 2 wks ago and felt worse. Was easily explained by them as too low a dosage, so now I have added another 1/2gr. According to 's Temp Syndrome, Armour does not work and sustained release T3 is the best protocol. Do any of you readers have experience with this? I appreciate all of you! Joy > > > Have a look at this information on 's Temperature Syndrome. > http://www.livingnetwork.co.za/healingnetwork/wilsons_syndrome1.html > > Cold hands always make me think of thyroid issues. > You'll see how the adrenals and thyroid interact so strongly that if you > treat one you affect the other. > http://www.livingnetwork.co.za/healingnetwork/adrenals_thyroid.html > > I suspect that treating the adrenals changes your cortisol output and this > has an effect on your thyroid. > Increasing cortisol induces your body to make more RT3 than make > temperatures low and all enzymes (including in your brain) dysfunctional. > > Have you tried HC? > I would turn my attention to your thyroid also. > DeanSA > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2008 Report Share Posted February 15, 2008 In frequent-dose-chelation DeanNetwork wrote: For a long time I have been trying to understand the difference between the glandular products. I have come to conclude the following: 1) ISOCORT is a freeze dried adrenal CORTEX (outer part of adrenal gland. the inner medulla is where adrenaline is made). It contains Echinacea, Prunus and Lomatium Dissectum. So it is a combination product which is why some people can react to it? It also contains 2.5mg of cortisol - but where does this information of cortisol content come from, because other glandulars claim they don't contain cortisol (so I hear). So why does this one? ------------I believe I heard it on the NaturalThyroidHormone group, that it contained 2.5mg of cortisol per pellet. It makes sense, because they say not to take more than 8 pellets a day, which would equal 20mg of HC, which is known as the safe daily dose. I tolerated it just fine, and it felt like I was getting cortisol.-----Jackie 2) Then we have what are marketed as GLANDULARS. One option is Adrenal Cytotrophin by Enzyme Process https://www.enzymeprocess.com/product_info.php?cPath=1&products_id=1&osCsid=ook3\ ccimcn6j2ukfvn8b7dc3p5. It is the only glandular that we get in South Africa. I have seen and felt wonderful effects from this and not seen a side-effect yet in many trials with other people. It says it has 'Adrenal Substance USP bovine'. Now does that mean there is no cortisol? Does it means it has medulla also, which means it could contain some adrenaline? ----------I don't know what they actually contain, but I know Andy recommends the cortex, not the whole glandular, and maybe that's why.--------Jackie And could the adrenaline content be why some of you can't tolerate some glandulars? ------------That certainly sounds reasonable to me.---------Jackie Of course the importers just don't get my questions and I have had no help from them. They say there are no hormones, only peptide chains. But I can hear they don't really know what is going on. 3) Adrenal Cortical Extract - now this is a glandular, but only the cortex of the gland I think, but what makes it different to Isocort? Is it just the fact that it is a liquid. ----------I don't know. I was just given the impression that Isocort contained cortisol, and could be used if you couldn't get HC. Again, this was from the NaturalThyroidHormone group. I don't recall them promoting the use of glandulars at all, but I haven't read over there for a long time. Again, I have used Isocort, HC, and ACE, and Isocort felt like HC to me. Now that I've been taking more ACE with my HC, it does feel like ACE does something *different* than HC. It has felt like HC has just kept me afloat, but now using both of them together, it actually feels like my adrenals may be doing some repairing. Again, this is just all my subjective feelings and speculation about this.----------Jackie Forgive me for asking this again, but it seems that nobody can offer me clarity and any opinions would help. I'm desperate to understand this. ------------I'm not clear on this either Dean, and maybe we should ask Andy? I can send him the post number, and we'll see if he has time to respond.--------Jackie Also, could it be that some of you that are reacting to this is because you have a leaky gut? Or a food allergy to bovine (beef) tissue? ----------Yes, I would also like to understand why some people react to it, and others are helped greatly. And for myself, why I didn't tolerate it a couple years ago, but now I tolerate *lots*. I don't think allergy to beef would answer my case. I have always eaten beef all along, I need alot of protein and always feel best when I eat meat and vegetables, so I don't think that's it for me. Maybe others though.-----Jackie Thanks, DeanSA In frequent-dose-chelation > Jackie wrote: >I don't understand why either, but when I first tried ACE about two years >ago, I reacted to it also, and quit taking it. I don't remember exactly >what, and I may have taken too much and should have built up slower, but I >remember not liking it and quitting. I then tried Isocort shortly after >that, and it felt great! I thought I'd hit the jackpot! It worked for >awhile, until my appendix ordeal and huge setback, which was a huge beating >on my adrenals. I then went on HC about a year ago, and some ACE, which >definitely helped. Lately I have been experimenting with larger doses of >ACE, and have taken as much as 900mg a few days. Then it starts feeling >like too much. So some days I have only used 250mg, but my average lately >has been 500-750mg, with 10-20 mg of HC. So, I don't understand either why >I couldn't tolerate it then and tolerate alot of it now. I don't know if >it's because of supplements or what. I do know that my thyroid antibodies >have dropped during this time, and other things have gotten better, like my >ferritin and Vit D levels. I also use more digestive aids now and absorb >nutrients better. But I really can't say *what* made the >difference.-----------Jackie > > > > In frequent-dose-chelation accs4 wrote: > > Just to add my two cents, I also recently tried ACE along with a > multi-glandular > supplement called H-R-F Thalamic for a few days. I was very hopeful about > them, but I, > too, seemed to experience a negative reaction. > > This may be totally naive, but is it possible that if someone has > autoimmune tendencies > (e.g., against adrenal glands), the extra amount of these substances > could cause a flare up > and result in attacks against the glands, or other body tissue, leading > to a temporary > worsening of symptoms? > > > > > > > > For what it's worth, I have adrenal fatigue (verified via saliva > > hormone testing), and I have felt horrible each time I've tried > > ADRENergize, which is 250mg ACE + 100mg multiglandular complex. > > Perhaps the dose is too high. Or perhaps it's the multi-glandular > > complex that's making me feel worse. > > > > But I haven't had any luck with Teitlebaum's Adrenal Stress End > > product either, which has 33mg of ACE + 400mg adrenal polypeptide > > fractions + licorice + vitamins. Though it's been a while since I > > tried it... might try it again just to see what happens. I've been > > considering purchasing ACE alone and trying small doses, but I'm not > > very optimistic it will help, given my other experiences. > > > > I've also never felt any better with HC. Again, maybe if I can tune > > the dosing properly, it could end up helping. > > > > Thanks for the suggestion about Maca root. Maybe that's worth a try. > > > > Darren > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2008 Report Share Posted February 15, 2008 In frequent-dose-chelation DeanNetwork wrote: For a long time I have been trying to understand the difference between the glandular products. I have come to conclude the following: 1) ISOCORT is a freeze dried adrenal CORTEX (outer part of adrenal gland. the inner medulla is where adrenaline is made). It contains Echinacea, Prunus and Lomatium Dissectum. So it is a combination product which is why some people can react to it? It also contains 2.5mg of cortisol - but where does this information of cortisol content come from, because other glandulars claim they don't contain cortisol (so I hear). So why does this one? ------------I believe I heard it on the NaturalThyroidHormone group, that it contained 2.5mg of cortisol per pellet. It makes sense, because they say not to take more than 8 pellets a day, which would equal 20mg of HC, which is known as the safe daily dose. I tolerated it just fine, and it felt like I was getting cortisol.-----Jackie 2) Then we have what are marketed as GLANDULARS. One option is Adrenal Cytotrophin by Enzyme Process https://www.enzymeprocess.com/product_info.php?cPath=1&products_id=1&osCsid=ook3\ ccimcn6j2ukfvn8b7dc3p5. It is the only glandular that we get in South Africa. I have seen and felt wonderful effects from this and not seen a side-effect yet in many trials with other people. It says it has 'Adrenal Substance USP bovine'. Now does that mean there is no cortisol? Does it means it has medulla also, which means it could contain some adrenaline? ----------I don't know what they actually contain, but I know Andy recommends the cortex, not the whole glandular, and maybe that's why.--------Jackie And could the adrenaline content be why some of you can't tolerate some glandulars? ------------That certainly sounds reasonable to me.---------Jackie Of course the importers just don't get my questions and I have had no help from them. They say there are no hormones, only peptide chains. But I can hear they don't really know what is going on. 3) Adrenal Cortical Extract - now this is a glandular, but only the cortex of the gland I think, but what makes it different to Isocort? Is it just the fact that it is a liquid. ----------I don't know. I was just given the impression that Isocort contained cortisol, and could be used if you couldn't get HC. Again, this was from the NaturalThyroidHormone group. I don't recall them promoting the use of glandulars at all, but I haven't read over there for a long time. Again, I have used Isocort, HC, and ACE, and Isocort felt like HC to me. Now that I've been taking more ACE with my HC, it does feel like ACE does something *different* than HC. It has felt like HC has just kept me afloat, but now using both of them together, it actually feels like my adrenals may be doing some repairing. Again, this is just all my subjective feelings and speculation about this.----------Jackie Forgive me for asking this again, but it seems that nobody can offer me clarity and any opinions would help. I'm desperate to understand this. ------------I'm not clear on this either Dean, and maybe we should ask Andy? I can send him the post number, and we'll see if he has time to respond.--------Jackie Also, could it be that some of you that are reacting to this is because you have a leaky gut? Or a food allergy to bovine (beef) tissue? ----------Yes, I would also like to understand why some people react to it, and others are helped greatly. And for myself, why I didn't tolerate it a couple years ago, but now I tolerate *lots*. I don't think allergy to beef would answer my case. I have always eaten beef all along, I need alot of protein and always feel best when I eat meat and vegetables, so I don't think that's it for me. Maybe others though.-----Jackie Thanks, DeanSA In frequent-dose-chelation > Jackie wrote: >I don't understand why either, but when I first tried ACE about two years >ago, I reacted to it also, and quit taking it. I don't remember exactly >what, and I may have taken too much and should have built up slower, but I >remember not liking it and quitting. I then tried Isocort shortly after >that, and it felt great! I thought I'd hit the jackpot! It worked for >awhile, until my appendix ordeal and huge setback, which was a huge beating >on my adrenals. I then went on HC about a year ago, and some ACE, which >definitely helped. Lately I have been experimenting with larger doses of >ACE, and have taken as much as 900mg a few days. Then it starts feeling >like too much. So some days I have only used 250mg, but my average lately >has been 500-750mg, with 10-20 mg of HC. So, I don't understand either why >I couldn't tolerate it then and tolerate alot of it now. I don't know if >it's because of supplements or what. I do know that my thyroid antibodies >have dropped during this time, and other things have gotten better, like my >ferritin and Vit D levels. I also use more digestive aids now and absorb >nutrients better. But I really can't say *what* made the >difference.-----------Jackie > > > > In frequent-dose-chelation accs4 wrote: > > Just to add my two cents, I also recently tried ACE along with a > multi-glandular > supplement called H-R-F Thalamic for a few days. I was very hopeful about > them, but I, > too, seemed to experience a negative reaction. > > This may be totally naive, but is it possible that if someone has > autoimmune tendencies > (e.g., against adrenal glands), the extra amount of these substances > could cause a flare up > and result in attacks against the glands, or other body tissue, leading > to a temporary > worsening of symptoms? > > > > > > > > For what it's worth, I have adrenal fatigue (verified via saliva > > hormone testing), and I have felt horrible each time I've tried > > ADRENergize, which is 250mg ACE + 100mg multiglandular complex. > > Perhaps the dose is too high. Or perhaps it's the multi-glandular > > complex that's making me feel worse. > > > > But I haven't had any luck with Teitlebaum's Adrenal Stress End > > product either, which has 33mg of ACE + 400mg adrenal polypeptide > > fractions + licorice + vitamins. Though it's been a while since I > > tried it... might try it again just to see what happens. I've been > > considering purchasing ACE alone and trying small doses, but I'm not > > very optimistic it will help, given my other experiences. > > > > I've also never felt any better with HC. Again, maybe if I can tune > > the dosing properly, it could end up helping. > > > > Thanks for the suggestion about Maca root. Maybe that's worth a try. > > > > Darren > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2008 Report Share Posted February 15, 2008 In frequent-dose-chelation DeanNetwork wrote: For a long time I have been trying to understand the difference between the glandular products. I have come to conclude the following: 1) ISOCORT is a freeze dried adrenal CORTEX (outer part of adrenal gland. the inner medulla is where adrenaline is made). It contains Echinacea, Prunus and Lomatium Dissectum. So it is a combination product which is why some people can react to it? It also contains 2.5mg of cortisol - but where does this information of cortisol content come from, because other glandulars claim they don't contain cortisol (so I hear). So why does this one? ------------I believe I heard it on the NaturalThyroidHormone group, that it contained 2.5mg of cortisol per pellet. It makes sense, because they say not to take more than 8 pellets a day, which would equal 20mg of HC, which is known as the safe daily dose. I tolerated it just fine, and it felt like I was getting cortisol.-----Jackie 2) Then we have what are marketed as GLANDULARS. One option is Adrenal Cytotrophin by Enzyme Process https://www.enzymeprocess.com/product_info.php?cPath=1&products_id=1&osCsid=ook3\ ccimcn6j2ukfvn8b7dc3p5. It is the only glandular that we get in South Africa. I have seen and felt wonderful effects from this and not seen a side-effect yet in many trials with other people. It says it has 'Adrenal Substance USP bovine'. Now does that mean there is no cortisol? Does it means it has medulla also, which means it could contain some adrenaline? ----------I don't know what they actually contain, but I know Andy recommends the cortex, not the whole glandular, and maybe that's why.--------Jackie And could the adrenaline content be why some of you can't tolerate some glandulars? ------------That certainly sounds reasonable to me.---------Jackie Of course the importers just don't get my questions and I have had no help from them. They say there are no hormones, only peptide chains. But I can hear they don't really know what is going on. 3) Adrenal Cortical Extract - now this is a glandular, but only the cortex of the gland I think, but what makes it different to Isocort? Is it just the fact that it is a liquid. ----------I don't know. I was just given the impression that Isocort contained cortisol, and could be used if you couldn't get HC. Again, this was from the NaturalThyroidHormone group. I don't recall them promoting the use of glandulars at all, but I haven't read over there for a long time. Again, I have used Isocort, HC, and ACE, and Isocort felt like HC to me. Now that I've been taking more ACE with my HC, it does feel like ACE does something *different* than HC. It has felt like HC has just kept me afloat, but now using both of them together, it actually feels like my adrenals may be doing some repairing. Again, this is just all my subjective feelings and speculation about this.----------Jackie Forgive me for asking this again, but it seems that nobody can offer me clarity and any opinions would help. I'm desperate to understand this. ------------I'm not clear on this either Dean, and maybe we should ask Andy? I can send him the post number, and we'll see if he has time to respond.--------Jackie Also, could it be that some of you that are reacting to this is because you have a leaky gut? Or a food allergy to bovine (beef) tissue? ----------Yes, I would also like to understand why some people react to it, and others are helped greatly. And for myself, why I didn't tolerate it a couple years ago, but now I tolerate *lots*. I don't think allergy to beef would answer my case. I have always eaten beef all along, I need alot of protein and always feel best when I eat meat and vegetables, so I don't think that's it for me. Maybe others though.-----Jackie Thanks, DeanSA In frequent-dose-chelation > Jackie wrote: >I don't understand why either, but when I first tried ACE about two years >ago, I reacted to it also, and quit taking it. I don't remember exactly >what, and I may have taken too much and should have built up slower, but I >remember not liking it and quitting. I then tried Isocort shortly after >that, and it felt great! I thought I'd hit the jackpot! It worked for >awhile, until my appendix ordeal and huge setback, which was a huge beating >on my adrenals. I then went on HC about a year ago, and some ACE, which >definitely helped. Lately I have been experimenting with larger doses of >ACE, and have taken as much as 900mg a few days. Then it starts feeling >like too much. So some days I have only used 250mg, but my average lately >has been 500-750mg, with 10-20 mg of HC. So, I don't understand either why >I couldn't tolerate it then and tolerate alot of it now. I don't know if >it's because of supplements or what. I do know that my thyroid antibodies >have dropped during this time, and other things have gotten better, like my >ferritin and Vit D levels. I also use more digestive aids now and absorb >nutrients better. But I really can't say *what* made the >difference.-----------Jackie > > > > In frequent-dose-chelation accs4 wrote: > > Just to add my two cents, I also recently tried ACE along with a > multi-glandular > supplement called H-R-F Thalamic for a few days. I was very hopeful about > them, but I, > too, seemed to experience a negative reaction. > > This may be totally naive, but is it possible that if someone has > autoimmune tendencies > (e.g., against adrenal glands), the extra amount of these substances > could cause a flare up > and result in attacks against the glands, or other body tissue, leading > to a temporary > worsening of symptoms? > > > > > > > > For what it's worth, I have adrenal fatigue (verified via saliva > > hormone testing), and I have felt horrible each time I've tried > > ADRENergize, which is 250mg ACE + 100mg multiglandular complex. > > Perhaps the dose is too high. Or perhaps it's the multi-glandular > > complex that's making me feel worse. > > > > But I haven't had any luck with Teitlebaum's Adrenal Stress End > > product either, which has 33mg of ACE + 400mg adrenal polypeptide > > fractions + licorice + vitamins. Though it's been a while since I > > tried it... might try it again just to see what happens. I've been > > considering purchasing ACE alone and trying small doses, but I'm not > > very optimistic it will help, given my other experiences. > > > > I've also never felt any better with HC. Again, maybe if I can tune > > the dosing properly, it could end up helping. > > > > Thanks for the suggestion about Maca root. Maybe that's worth a try. > > > > Darren > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2008 Report Share Posted February 15, 2008 If your adrenal problem involves having a lot of adrenaline, then taking any form of adrenal support might calm you down a lot, to that point that you feel really crashed out. When I got up to 10-15 mg HC, I started calming down in a way that felt uncomfortable. I was really out of it and could not get up from the couch. Hard to explain. Very strange experience. I realize that sounds different from your experience, because I didn't have what I would call " depression " (although I did have a lot of internal negativity). Still, I wonder if you were experiencing an effect of reduced adrenaline. I had no idea I had excess adrenaline before I took HC. My experience of adrenaline does not involve anxiety, per se, more like excitement and feeling energized and functional. I used to think that was normal before I was on adrenal support. -- > > > > > > Took my first doses of Adrenal Cortex today. It is the > Nutricology > > > brand that many here have endorsed. First dose in morning was > half > > of > > > a 250mg cap. Didn't feel anything from it. The next dose, also > half > > a > > > cap, was at noon. Didn't feel anything really, except about 2 > hours > > > later it did seem I had more energy when I usually get waves of > > > fatigue. By 4:00 though serious fatigue, more than usual, and a > > glum > > > depressed mood hit rather quickly. Felt like a crash. I wonder > what > > > the halflife of ACE is. > > > > > > What was that crash? Did that mean I should have taken a third > > dose? > > > Did the noon dose wear off? > > > > > > I am also wondering what typical doses and dosing schedules do > > people > > > use with ACE. I know there is variation from person to person, > but > > I'm > > > just trying to get a feel for general patterns or trends. > Curious > > to > > > know if increased waves of fatigue is experienced when starting > ACE. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2008 Report Share Posted February 15, 2008 , DeanSA, or anyone with adrenal problems and who have had a hair test: What said about adrenaline got me thinking about what Andy says in HTI page 112-113. " Potassium and sodium up, with calcium and magnesium down, means the person's adrenals are shot, making way too much adrenaline but not enough cortisol. " Then, " Potassium and sodium down, with calcium and magnesium up, means the person's adrenals not making enough cortisol or adrenaline and their thyroid is somewhat low too. " So could this adrenaline thing and its relation to Cal/Mag and Na/K being up or down, have anything to do with who tolerates adrenal support or not, especially ACE? For example, my hair test shows Cal/Mag down, really low, and Na/K in the middle, not high, so according to this, Andy says I make too much adrenaline and not enough cortisol. But I am taking ACE and HC right now, and tolerate both of them just fine. So could others tell us what their hair tests says and how they react to ACE? I'm just curious if there's any pattern to it.-----------Jackie In frequent-dose-chelation wrote: If your adrenal problem involves having a lot of adrenaline, then taking any form of adrenal support might calm you down a lot, to that point that you feel really crashed out. When I got up to 10-15 mg HC, I started calming down in a way that felt uncomfortable. I was really out of it and could not get up from the couch. Hard to explain. Very strange experience. I realize that sounds different from your experience, because I didn't have what I would call " depression " (although I did have a lot of internal negativity). Still, I wonder if you were experiencing an effect of reduced adrenaline. I had no idea I had excess adrenaline before I took HC. My experience of adrenaline does not involve anxiety, per se, more like excitement and feeling energized and functional. I used to think that was normal before I was on adrenal support. -- > > > > > > Took my first doses of Adrenal Cortex today. It is the > Nutricology > > > brand that many here have endorsed. First dose in morning was > half > > of > > > a 250mg cap. Didn't feel anything from it. The next dose, also > half > > a > > > cap, was at noon. Didn't feel anything really, except about 2 > hours > > > later it did seem I had more energy when I usually get waves of > > > fatigue. By 4:00 though serious fatigue, more than usual, and a > > glum > > > depressed mood hit rather quickly. Felt like a crash. I wonder > what > > > the halflife of ACE is. > > > > > > What was that crash? Did that mean I should have taken a third > > dose? > > > Did the noon dose wear off? > > > > > > I am also wondering what typical doses and dosing schedules do > > people > > > use with ACE. I know there is variation from person to person, > but > > I'm > > > just trying to get a feel for general patterns or trends. > Curious > > to > > > know if increased waves of fatigue is experienced when starting > ACE. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2008 Report Share Posted February 15, 2008 , DeanSA, or anyone with adrenal problems and who have had a hair test: What said about adrenaline got me thinking about what Andy says in HTI page 112-113. " Potassium and sodium up, with calcium and magnesium down, means the person's adrenals are shot, making way too much adrenaline but not enough cortisol. " Then, " Potassium and sodium down, with calcium and magnesium up, means the person's adrenals not making enough cortisol or adrenaline and their thyroid is somewhat low too. " So could this adrenaline thing and its relation to Cal/Mag and Na/K being up or down, have anything to do with who tolerates adrenal support or not, especially ACE? For example, my hair test shows Cal/Mag down, really low, and Na/K in the middle, not high, so according to this, Andy says I make too much adrenaline and not enough cortisol. But I am taking ACE and HC right now, and tolerate both of them just fine. So could others tell us what their hair tests says and how they react to ACE? I'm just curious if there's any pattern to it.-----------Jackie In frequent-dose-chelation wrote: If your adrenal problem involves having a lot of adrenaline, then taking any form of adrenal support might calm you down a lot, to that point that you feel really crashed out. When I got up to 10-15 mg HC, I started calming down in a way that felt uncomfortable. I was really out of it and could not get up from the couch. Hard to explain. Very strange experience. I realize that sounds different from your experience, because I didn't have what I would call " depression " (although I did have a lot of internal negativity). Still, I wonder if you were experiencing an effect of reduced adrenaline. I had no idea I had excess adrenaline before I took HC. My experience of adrenaline does not involve anxiety, per se, more like excitement and feeling energized and functional. I used to think that was normal before I was on adrenal support. -- > > > > > > Took my first doses of Adrenal Cortex today. It is the > Nutricology > > > brand that many here have endorsed. First dose in morning was > half > > of > > > a 250mg cap. Didn't feel anything from it. The next dose, also > half > > a > > > cap, was at noon. Didn't feel anything really, except about 2 > hours > > > later it did seem I had more energy when I usually get waves of > > > fatigue. By 4:00 though serious fatigue, more than usual, and a > > glum > > > depressed mood hit rather quickly. Felt like a crash. I wonder > what > > > the halflife of ACE is. > > > > > > What was that crash? Did that mean I should have taken a third > > dose? > > > Did the noon dose wear off? > > > > > > I am also wondering what typical doses and dosing schedules do > > people > > > use with ACE. I know there is variation from person to person, > but > > I'm > > > just trying to get a feel for general patterns or trends. > Curious > > to > > > know if increased waves of fatigue is experienced when starting > ACE. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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