Guest guest Posted February 24, 2008 Report Share Posted February 24, 2008 > > My ND is not allowing any more dmsa DMSA can be obtained from various sources over the counter. The ND doesn't have control - you do. Have you tried low dose ALA alone? until I have labs done on sulfation > pathways because of the severity of my redistribution symptoms. What are your redistribution symptoms. Do you have them on round, when stopping or both? What doses of DMSA have you used? What is your supplement program like? Are you sure that there isn't any amalgam hidden some where in your mouth, like under a crown. Many who have serious redistribution eventually find that is the case. My lead > poisoning is worse than my Hg poisoning, What evidence do you have of the above? and she is recommending edta > to remove some lead first before doing the dmsa again, after the > pathways are checked. What do you all think? EDTA makes mercury more toxic without helping to eliminate it. In other words, it makes mercury poisoned people much worse. Andy does not recommend using EDTA at all until the mercury has been chelated out. Have you had a DDI hair test and did you post the results? Many alternate doctors use EDTA out of habit without understanding what it is doing to people. Trouble shooting is a good idea - yes. Andy's AI book can act as a guide. There may be lots of other problems that are not being addressed, besides just sulfation. Do epsom salt baths make you feel better? Have you checked your symptoms against hypo-adrenal and hypo-thyroid symptoms. Have you had standard hormone blood tests. J > Mark > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2008 Report Share Posted February 25, 2008 , A little history...I am a 51 year old male height 5'10 " weight 110 lbs. I've lost 70 lbs. of muscle in 6 years, and can barely speak most days except on round day one sometimes. I am in a power wheelchair and have no use of my legs, 10% use of my arms. I have numerous blood, urine, stool and hair tests showing verh high Hg levels and even higher lead levels. I did 8 rounds of 10 or 12.5mg dmsa. Retest showed that I AM lowering the Hg and Pb, but other metals like uranium are now showing up. My brain fog is so severe except for on round day one that I don't dare to do ala alone. I can't do baths easily, but can do sauna's and colonics with help. I am a fast phase one slow phase two person according to Genova tests. Supplements per Andy. Nineteen amalgams removed, four were under crowns. All crowns have been checked. Andy's protocol followed. My lead poisoning is worse than my Hg poisoning re: test results. I have no candida or parasite signs. Two bm's a day, no sugar/yeast/digestion signs. No adrenal or thyroid signs either, but I have not been tested for these or yeast. Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2008 Report Share Posted February 25, 2008 I refused the EDTA IV's my doc wanted me to do; it wasn't worth the risk of redistributing Hg. I'm doing DMSA/ALA first. If it still seems there's a reason to try EDTA after 2-3 years, I will. Usually her patients have problems with calcium/hardening of arteries. That doesn't stand out with me, which is another reason I really couldn't accept going that route. It's hard to stand up to your doc & ask to be supported as you try something else. This maybe will depend a lot on your overall personal health situation and solid evidence you can gather to show whether lead or Hg is the major problem. Joanne > > My ND is not allowing any more dmsa until I have labs done on sulfation > pathways because of the severity of my redistribution symptoms. My lead > poisoning is worse than my Hg poisoning, and she is recommending edta > to remove some lead first before doing the dmsa again, after the > pathways are checked. What do you all think? > Mark > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2008 Report Share Posted February 25, 2008 I refused the EDTA IV's my doc wanted me to do; it wasn't worth the risk of redistributing Hg. I'm doing DMSA/ALA first. If it still seems there's a reason to try EDTA after 2-3 years, I will. Usually her patients have problems with calcium/hardening of arteries. That doesn't stand out with me, which is another reason I really couldn't accept going that route. It's hard to stand up to your doc & ask to be supported as you try something else. This maybe will depend a lot on your overall personal health situation and solid evidence you can gather to show whether lead or Hg is the major problem. Joanne > > My ND is not allowing any more dmsa until I have labs done on sulfation > pathways because of the severity of my redistribution symptoms. My lead > poisoning is worse than my Hg poisoning, and she is recommending edta > to remove some lead first before doing the dmsa again, after the > pathways are checked. What do you all think? > Mark > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2008 Report Share Posted February 25, 2008 I refused the EDTA IV's my doc wanted me to do; it wasn't worth the risk of redistributing Hg. I'm doing DMSA/ALA first. If it still seems there's a reason to try EDTA after 2-3 years, I will. Usually her patients have problems with calcium/hardening of arteries. That doesn't stand out with me, which is another reason I really couldn't accept going that route. It's hard to stand up to your doc & ask to be supported as you try something else. This maybe will depend a lot on your overall personal health situation and solid evidence you can gather to show whether lead or Hg is the major problem. Joanne > > My ND is not allowing any more dmsa until I have labs done on sulfation > pathways because of the severity of my redistribution symptoms. My lead > poisoning is worse than my Hg poisoning, and she is recommending edta > to remove some lead first before doing the dmsa again, after the > pathways are checked. What do you all think? > Mark > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2008 Report Share Posted February 26, 2008 Mark, it seems many people do better with DMSA when they reduce the timing from 4 to 3 hours, particularly if you are a fast metabolizer. You may also want to consider to lower the dose: many people are on 6mg instead of 12.5mg. The idea is to find a dosage which makes you feel comfortable. DMSA is considered a very good chelator for lead (http://onibasu.com/archives/am/16580.html). > > > > My ND is not allowing any more dmsa > > > DMSA can be obtained from various sources over the counter. The ND > doesn't have control - you do. > > Have you tried low dose ALA alone? > > > > until I have labs done on sulfation > > pathways because of the severity of my redistribution symptoms. > > > What are your redistribution symptoms. Do you have them on round, > when stopping or both? What doses of DMSA have you used? What is > your supplement program like? > > > Are you sure that there isn't any amalgam hidden some where in your > mouth, like under a crown. Many who have serious redistribution > eventually find that is the case. > > > > > > My lead > > poisoning is worse than my Hg poisoning, > > > What evidence do you have of the above? > > > > > and she is recommending edta > > to remove some lead first before doing the dmsa again, after the > > pathways are checked. What do you all think? > > > EDTA makes mercury more toxic without helping to eliminate it. In > other words, it makes mercury poisoned people much worse. Andy does > not recommend using EDTA at all until the mercury has been chelated out. > > Have you had a DDI hair test and did you post the results? > > Many alternate doctors use EDTA out of habit without understanding > what it is doing to people. > > Trouble shooting is a good idea - yes. Andy's AI book can act as a > guide. There may be lots of other problems that are not being > addressed, besides just sulfation. Do epsom salt baths make you feel > better? > > Have you checked your symptoms against hypo-adrenal and hypo-thyroid > symptoms. Have you had standard hormone blood tests. > > > > J > > > > > > Mark > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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