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Sorry, but this is going to be a bit of a pouring out session!

DS has gone to stay with my mum so that we have an opportunity to pack

without little hands helping, and I didn't realise how much I would

miss him! This is ridiculous, he only went at 7pm and I have can

hardly see the keyboard for tears!

Phoned to see that he was Ok and he said 'bye muummmmeeee' (Night

Night) and that just did it!

He hasn't stayed away for nearly a year and it just seems that this

time he really knows what it is all about! He had his bag packed with

his little dolly (boy), Video, books and toybox comic!

And looked so grown up!!

I know that we have already packed most of the Kitchen, upstairs

cupboards and lounge Pictures etc ready for next Friday, but that

really doesn't seem like much of a consolation to going in and seeing

him sleeping peacefully!

I know that some of you will be thinking 'pull yourself together and

enjoy the peace' cos I would have thought that before he left! But it

is awful!!!!!!!!!! Never again will I tell anyone to enjoy the peace

while their kids are away!

Anyway, now I have put you all through my misery I will go and pull

myself together and get on with the packing before DH gets back from

the offie' and moans that I am chatting!

Thanks for the shoulder(s)

Kirsten

Very lonely and sad and eating lots of chocolate.

Mum to (23 months) Step-mom to Shelby (6yrs)

Trainee ANT, and Memb-sec Woking and Knaphill Branches.

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> Sorry, but this is going to be a bit of a pouring out session!

Don't worry - we've all been there! I some times get all tearful

when i drop Joe off at Nursery (or did as he finished today) as he

is so sweet and a dear little thing, and the house is far too quiet

when i get home! I suppose we should be grateful that we are

such caring mums!

Caroline

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> DS has gone to stay with my mum so that we have an opportunity to pack

> without little hands helping, and I didn't realise how much I would

> miss him

It's damn hard being a Mum isn't it?

When they are with you at times you wish they would disappear and when they

are gone you wonder around with nothing to do.

I have a lovely book out of the library at the moment called, " Don't Be

Afraid Little Foal " and the long and short of it is, the mummy horse says

that the foal will not want her one day and this frightens the foal, but

sure enough one day mummy horse goes back to work (giving rides) and the

little foal ends up running around the field chasing a butterfly. The mummy

horse asks him if he thought of her whilst she was gone, he says yes but he

hadn't. the mummy horse replies " That's good, as for me, I was thinking of

you all the time! "

I suppose we will all have to face this being mothers, but it does give us

insight into how our parents feel about us.

- thoughtful mode

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The mummy

>horse asks him if he thought of her whilst she was gone, he says yes

but he

>hadn't. the mummy horse replies " That's good, as for me, I was

thinking of

>you all the time! "

>

>I suppose we will all have to face this being mothers, but it does

give us

>insight into how our parents feel about us.

>

> - thoughtful mode

>

Thanks ,

This does reassure me that if my parents feel about me as strongly

about me, as I feel about DS, they will look after him well for me

tonight!!!

Kirsten

Feeling a bit better.

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It`s a very emotional time for you anyway, Kirsten - moving home! and

children always sound so cute on the phone, don`t they!! Please - sob

awaay....

Good luck for tomorrow and hope all goes well with the move, concentrate

on making your new house into your lovely home

Barbara

xxxx

> Sorry, but this is going to be a bit of a pouring out session!

>

> Kirsten

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>> DS has gone to stay with my mum so that we have an opportunity to pack

>> without little hands helping, and I didn't realise how much I would

>> miss him

>

>It's damn hard being a Mum isn't it?

>When they are with you at times you wish they would disappear and when they

>are gone you wonder around with nothing to do.

There is a lovely book called Operating Instructions by Anne Lamott

in which she describes her feelings of love for her sleeping child

and then " he opens one reptilian eye... "

--

jennifer@...

Vaudin

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>> DS has gone to stay with my mum so that we have an opportunity to pack

>> without little hands helping, and I didn't realise how much I would

>> miss him

>

>It's damn hard being a Mum isn't it?

>When they are with you at times you wish they would disappear and when they

>are gone you wonder around with nothing to do.

There is a lovely book called Operating Instructions by Anne Lamott

in which she describes her feelings of love for her sleeping child

and then " he opens one reptilian eye... "

--

jennifer@...

Vaudin

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>> DS has gone to stay with my mum so that we have an opportunity to pack

>> without little hands helping, and I didn't realise how much I would

>> miss him

>

>It's damn hard being a Mum isn't it?

>When they are with you at times you wish they would disappear and when they

>are gone you wonder around with nothing to do.

There is a lovely book called Operating Instructions by Anne Lamott

in which she describes her feelings of love for her sleeping child

and then " he opens one reptilian eye... "

--

jennifer@...

Vaudin

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Never again will I tell anyone to enjoy the peace

> while their kids are away!

Well, I've had a wonderful week of peace and quiet as my stroppy teen

has been away at a PGL camp in Cheshire (poor Cheshire!) for a whole

blissful week!! She's back later today and I know we will start

arguing 5 minutes after she walks through the door. Oh well, only

another 46 days before term starts again!!

Akiko

NW London

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> Never again will I tell anyone to enjoy the peace

>> while their kids are away!

>

>Well, I've had a wonderful week of peace and quiet as my stroppy teen

>has been away at a PGL camp in Cheshire (poor Cheshire!) for a whole

>blissful week!! She's back later today and I know we will start

>arguing 5 minutes after she walks through the door. Oh well, only

>another 46 days before term starts again!!

Maybe it does depend on their age!

Kirsten

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Oh, Akiko - I'm so glad it's not just me that feels like this!! I have

organised DD1's holiday so she only has about 4 weekdays at home with

nothing structured to do. And I *bet* she spends those 4 days and most of

the weekends lounging around, being bored, and goading the younger kids!

Won't it be lovely when they've grown up??!!

Vicki Portman

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>

> Well, I've had a wonderful week of peace and quiet as my stroppy teen

> has been away at a PGL camp in Cheshire (poor Cheshire!) for a whole

> blissful week!! She's back later today and I know we will start

> arguing 5 minutes after she walks through the door. Oh well, only

> another 46 days before term starts again!!

>

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> Oh, Akiko - I'm so glad it's not just me that feels like this!! I

have

> organised DD1's holiday so she only has about 4 weekdays at home

with

> nothing structured to do. And I *bet* she spends those 4 days and

most of

> the weekends lounging around, being bored, and goading the younger

kids!

>

> Won't it be lovely when they've grown up??!!

Yes, I was beginning to wonder if I was an unnatural mother!

Akiko

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> Never again will I tell anyone to enjoy the peace

> > while their kids are away!

>

> Well, I've had a wonderful week of peace and quiet as my stroppy

teen

> has been away at a PGL camp in Cheshire (poor Cheshire!) for a whole

> blissful week!! She's back later today and I know we will start

> arguing 5 minutes after she walks through the door. Oh well, only

> another 46 days before term starts again!!

>

> Akiko

> NW London

Sabbath was OK but for some reason I felt depressed. It was nice to

talk to Zehava who's off to NY tomorrow for ten days. Later on

Yeshaya brought home about 8 boys who stayed till after 11 tonight,

and since then he's been in a really weird mood; aggressive and

irritable. I *hate* it when he says " that's nice " in a sarky voice to

whatever I say.

Teenagers! Grrr.

And what's worse is my regular visit to Tammy's when she pontificates

on how to bring up teenagers from a standpoint of complete ignorance.

Ruthie

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> Never again will I tell anyone to enjoy the peace

> > while their kids are away!

>

> Well, I've had a wonderful week of peace and quiet as my stroppy

teen

> has been away at a PGL camp in Cheshire (poor Cheshire!) for a whole

> blissful week!! She's back later today and I know we will start

> arguing 5 minutes after she walks through the door. Oh well, only

> another 46 days before term starts again!!

>

> Akiko

> NW London

Sabbath was OK but for some reason I felt depressed. It was nice to

talk to Zehava who's off to NY tomorrow for ten days. Later on

Yeshaya brought home about 8 boys who stayed till after 11 tonight,

and since then he's been in a really weird mood; aggressive and

irritable. I *hate* it when he says " that's nice " in a sarky voice to

whatever I say.

Teenagers! Grrr.

And what's worse is my regular visit to Tammy's when she pontificates

on how to bring up teenagers from a standpoint of complete ignorance.

Ruthie

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> Never again will I tell anyone to enjoy the peace

> > while their kids are away!

>

> Well, I've had a wonderful week of peace and quiet as my stroppy

teen

> has been away at a PGL camp in Cheshire (poor Cheshire!) for a whole

> blissful week!! She's back later today and I know we will start

> arguing 5 minutes after she walks through the door. Oh well, only

> another 46 days before term starts again!!

>

> Akiko

> NW London

Sabbath was OK but for some reason I felt depressed. It was nice to

talk to Zehava who's off to NY tomorrow for ten days. Later on

Yeshaya brought home about 8 boys who stayed till after 11 tonight,

and since then he's been in a really weird mood; aggressive and

irritable. I *hate* it when he says " that's nice " in a sarky voice to

whatever I say.

Teenagers! Grrr.

And what's worse is my regular visit to Tammy's when she pontificates

on how to bring up teenagers from a standpoint of complete ignorance.

Ruthie

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Ruthie wrote:

> And what's worse is my regular visit to Tammy's when she

pontificates

> on how to bring up teenagers from a standpoint of complete

ignorance.>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Will you be one of those mothers who, when Tammy has teenagers, sits

there and smiles knowingly?!

Trisha

SAHM to 3 boys

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> > And what's worse is my regular visit to Tammy's when she

> pontificates

> > on how to bring up teenagers from a standpoint of complete

> ignorance.>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>

>

> Will you be one of those mothers who, when Tammy has teenagers, sits

> there and smiles knowingly?!

>

> Trisha

> SAHM to 3 boys

You put no smileys or emoticons, Trisha, so I am not sure if you are

being amused or irritated at what I said. I am not a " I told you so "

mother.

I don't smile now when I see how different actuality of her own

children is to her prejudgment on me bringing up my *small* kids.

When she was still an unmarried teenage girl at home she would tell me

how much less spoilt/better behaved etc her own children would be and

how badly I was bringing up her younger siblings.

She has lovely children and she puts the effort into them, but they

certainly are spoilt and badly behaved. Just like mine were in fact!

All 18 month old Shira has to do is point and whinge and she gets

everything from coca cola to chocolate cake, even if she hasn't

eaten her supper! I don't smile knowingly, I just sit and think: " so

I wasn't SUCH a terrible mother then! "

I was much less strict with the later kids than the earlier

ones...encroaching old age and sheer exhaustion probably, but the

older ones resented what their younger siblings got away with!

I certainly don't wish difficult teens on my daughters. All I wanted

was some appreciation of the difficulties, rather than condemnation of

my methods.

Ruthie

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> > And what's worse is my regular visit to Tammy's when she

> pontificates

> > on how to bring up teenagers from a standpoint of complete

> ignorance.>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>

>

> Will you be one of those mothers who, when Tammy has teenagers, sits

> there and smiles knowingly?!

>

> Trisha

> SAHM to 3 boys

You put no smileys or emoticons, Trisha, so I am not sure if you are

being amused or irritated at what I said. I am not a " I told you so "

mother.

I don't smile now when I see how different actuality of her own

children is to her prejudgment on me bringing up my *small* kids.

When she was still an unmarried teenage girl at home she would tell me

how much less spoilt/better behaved etc her own children would be and

how badly I was bringing up her younger siblings.

She has lovely children and she puts the effort into them, but they

certainly are spoilt and badly behaved. Just like mine were in fact!

All 18 month old Shira has to do is point and whinge and she gets

everything from coca cola to chocolate cake, even if she hasn't

eaten her supper! I don't smile knowingly, I just sit and think: " so

I wasn't SUCH a terrible mother then! "

I was much less strict with the later kids than the earlier

ones...encroaching old age and sheer exhaustion probably, but the

older ones resented what their younger siblings got away with!

I certainly don't wish difficult teens on my daughters. All I wanted

was some appreciation of the difficulties, rather than condemnation of

my methods.

Ruthie

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I wrote:

> > Will you be one of those mothers who, when Tammy has teenagers,

sits

> > there and smiles knowingly?!

>Ruthie replied

> You put no smileys or emoticons, Trisha, so I am not sure if you

are

> being amused or irritated at what I said. >>>>>>>>>>>>>

Sorry I was amused at Tammy been the all knowing person, when she has

not already been there. It is so easy for us to do that.

I think thats why we can't really appreicate your problems with your

sons, until you are in that position it is hard to do it.

I could just imagine you sat there thinking - " its different now its

your own children " , whether you would actually voice that is another

matter.

It was meant as a funny, nothing you say irritates me. It is just a

different version of life and I for one love reading your messages.

Trisha

SAHM to 3 boys

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I wrote:

> > Will you be one of those mothers who, when Tammy has teenagers,

sits

> > there and smiles knowingly?!

>Ruthie replied

> You put no smileys or emoticons, Trisha, so I am not sure if you

are

> being amused or irritated at what I said. >>>>>>>>>>>>>

Sorry I was amused at Tammy been the all knowing person, when she has

not already been there. It is so easy for us to do that.

I think thats why we can't really appreicate your problems with your

sons, until you are in that position it is hard to do it.

I could just imagine you sat there thinking - " its different now its

your own children " , whether you would actually voice that is another

matter.

It was meant as a funny, nothing you say irritates me. It is just a

different version of life and I for one love reading your messages.

Trisha

SAHM to 3 boys

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Sorry I was amused at Tammy been the all knowing person, when she

has

> not already been there. It is so easy for us to do that.

>

> I think thats why we can't really appreicate your problems with your

> sons, until you are in that position it is hard to do it.

>

> I could just imagine you sat there thinking - " its different now its

> your own children " , whether you would actually voice that is

another

> matter.

>

> It was meant as a funny, nothing you say irritates me. It is just a

> different version of life and I for one love reading your messages.

>

> Trisha

> SAHM to 3 boys

Ah thanks Trisha :-))

Today I had a lovely compliment from Tammy for a change! I went with

her to 5 y.o 's sort of Jewish studies presentation at school,

where he and all the little boys in his class stood on benches, wore a

Hebrew letter as a hat, and recited something from the Torah. It was

very cute and there were a few other grannies like me there besides

all the doting parents. Anyway, a woman I know came up to me and said

: " I was wondering what *YOU* were doing here Ruthie, then I realised,

it must be a grandchild! " So I said : " Yes, and there's the

Barmitzvah of my first grandson coming up soon! " so the woman said

" and you look so young! " When she had gone Tammy said to me: " you do

look so young Mummy. I just hope I look as young when I am your age. "

Aww.

For a moment I rationalised the compliment inside my head, into " yea

well it's cos I'm fat, and fat women have less wrinkles " , but I

decided to just enjoy it for what it was! :))

Ruthie

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Sorry I was amused at Tammy been the all knowing person, when she

has

> not already been there. It is so easy for us to do that.

>

> I think thats why we can't really appreicate your problems with your

> sons, until you are in that position it is hard to do it.

>

> I could just imagine you sat there thinking - " its different now its

> your own children " , whether you would actually voice that is

another

> matter.

>

> It was meant as a funny, nothing you say irritates me. It is just a

> different version of life and I for one love reading your messages.

>

> Trisha

> SAHM to 3 boys

Ah thanks Trisha :-))

Today I had a lovely compliment from Tammy for a change! I went with

her to 5 y.o 's sort of Jewish studies presentation at school,

where he and all the little boys in his class stood on benches, wore a

Hebrew letter as a hat, and recited something from the Torah. It was

very cute and there were a few other grannies like me there besides

all the doting parents. Anyway, a woman I know came up to me and said

: " I was wondering what *YOU* were doing here Ruthie, then I realised,

it must be a grandchild! " So I said : " Yes, and there's the

Barmitzvah of my first grandson coming up soon! " so the woman said

" and you look so young! " When she had gone Tammy said to me: " you do

look so young Mummy. I just hope I look as young when I am your age. "

Aww.

For a moment I rationalised the compliment inside my head, into " yea

well it's cos I'm fat, and fat women have less wrinkles " , but I

decided to just enjoy it for what it was! :))

Ruthie

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->>It's damn hard being a Mum isn't it?

>>When they are with you at times you wish they would disappear and

when they

>>are gone you wonder around with nothing to do.

>

>

>There is a lovely book called Operating Instructions by Anne Lamott

>in which she describes her feelings of love for her sleeping child

>and then " he opens one reptilian eye... "

>

Nice!!!;-)))

Kirsten

Mum to (23 months) Step-mom to Shelby (6yrs)

Trainee ANT, and Memb-sec Woking and Knaphill Branches.

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->>It's damn hard being a Mum isn't it?

>>When they are with you at times you wish they would disappear and

when they

>>are gone you wonder around with nothing to do.

>

>

>There is a lovely book called Operating Instructions by Anne Lamott

>in which she describes her feelings of love for her sleeping child

>and then " he opens one reptilian eye... "

>

Nice!!!;-)))

Kirsten

Mum to (23 months) Step-mom to Shelby (6yrs)

Trainee ANT, and Memb-sec Woking and Knaphill Branches.

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->>It's damn hard being a Mum isn't it?

>>When they are with you at times you wish they would disappear and

when they

>>are gone you wonder around with nothing to do.

>

>

>There is a lovely book called Operating Instructions by Anne Lamott

>in which she describes her feelings of love for her sleeping child

>and then " he opens one reptilian eye... "

>

Nice!!!;-)))

Kirsten

Mum to (23 months) Step-mom to Shelby (6yrs)

Trainee ANT, and Memb-sec Woking and Knaphill Branches.

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