Re: Treating adrenals First--doctor in SoCal?

March 10, 2008

,

I'm in a similar situation, in that I feel I have to deal with the

adrenals before beginning chelation. I have tried to talk to my own

doctor, and showed her the results of my 4x/day saliva test, which

shows I have low cortisol. But she would only refer me to an

endocrinologist. He said that " saliva tests for low cortisol are

meaningless " . Then he tried to convince me that my problems were no

worse than anyone else's, which he couldn't know after only 7-8

minutes. Finally, he ordered the ACTH stimulation test, which I had

last Wednesday. I'm supposed to get the results this week, but I'm

pretty sure it'll be some variant of there's nothing wrong with me.

So I can really relate. I think the sticking point is wanting, or

rather, _needing_ to have it covered by insurance. I can't find

anybody who takes insurance who will deal with any of this. Even more

so in my case because I'm disabled and on medicare.

I wish you luck. SoCal is certainly a better place to be looking for

enlightened doctors than rural New England and I hope you find one.

But you may want to start doing some more reading and start figuring

out what you can do for yourself. For many of us, we are our only choice.

>

> Hi, everyone.

>

> I simply must get my out of control adrenal fatigue symptoms

corrected before starting

> Andy's chelation protocol, otherwise, I fear I will disturb myself

and my family greatly.

>

> Dean advised I find an " Adrenal Aware " doctor, which can be hard. I

went to an

> endocrinologist today, told him all my " classic adrenal fatigue "

symptoms, he examined

> me, and I asked for an ACTH stress test. He said he wouldn't be able

to interpret it, even if

> he gave me one. He said the ACTH stress test isn't taken seriously

by any self-respecting

> endocrinologist because " there's no baseline level of cortisol--it

may go up, it may go

> down, who knows. " So instead, he ordered a cortisol blood test for

me (blood test first,

> then injection with ACTH and then another blood draw an hour after

that), to " stimulate the

> adrenals and see if they produce cortisol. " I don't know how

reliable this test is going to

> be. He said my symptoms are pretty common things most people have,

without having

> " Adrenal Disease. " I think, after doing some reading, that my

symptoms are things my

> family and I absolutely cannot put up with . . . and all I did is

have 3 little fillings removed

> 2 months ago--I haven't even started chelating yet! I have to wait

a week and see how he

> interprets the results, but he would prescribe Hydrocortisone if he

thinks I'm hypoadrenal,

> and then treat the symptoms.

>

> So--does anyone in Southern California (USA) know of a good " adrenal

aware " doctor in

> the area? I'm in Long Beach. I'm hoping for someone contracted with

BlueCross PPO, like

> my current endocrinologist is.

>

> Thanks!

>

> Abrenica

>

March 10, 2008

Just a thought, have you tried the DAN! docs in your area. They tend

to be more receptive to treating adrenal fatigue.

http://www.healing-arts.org/children/amyholmes.htm#danlist

>

> >

-----snip-----

> > So--does anyone in Southern California (USA) know of a good

" adrenal aware " doctor in the area? I'm in Long Beach. I'm hoping for someone

contracted with BlueCross PPO, like

> > my current endocrinologist is.

> >

> > Thanks!

> >

> > Abrenica

> >

>

March 11, 2008

I don't, but I do know that you can get isocort and try to work this out

for yourself.

He is right about it being likely that you don't have adrenal disease.

The problem is generally not the adrenals, but the brain. Mercury

blocks the signals from the brain to the adrenals, so that you don't

produce cortisol. This is why, even if some cortisol can help, spending

too much time with the endocrinologist can be a big mistake. It's

impossible to fix the problem without detox.

Dave.

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--doctor%20in%20SoCal%3F>

jennifer.robinsong http://profiles.yahoo.com/jennifer.robinsong>

Mon Mar 10, 2008 3:29 pm (PDT)

Hi, everyone.

I simply must get my out of control adrenal fatigue symptoms corrected

before starting

Andy's chelation protocol, otherwise, I fear I will disturb myself and

my family greatly.

Dean advised I find an " Adrenal Aware " doctor, which can be hard. I went

to an

endocrinologist today, told him all my " classic adrenal fatigue "

symptoms, he examined

me, and I asked for an ACTH stress test. He said he wouldn't be able to

interpret it, even if

he gave me one. He said the ACTH stress test isn't taken seriously by

any self-respecting

endocrinologist because " there's no baseline level of cortisol--it may

go up, it may go

down, who knows. " So instead, he ordered a cortisol blood test for me

(blood test first,

then injection with ACTH and then another blood draw an hour after

that), to " stimulate the

adrenals and see if they produce cortisol. " I don't know how reliable

this test is going to

be. He said my symptoms are pretty common things most people have,

without having

" Adrenal Disease. " I think, after doing some reading, that my symptoms

are things my

family and I absolutely cannot put up with . . . and all I did is have 3

little fillings removed

2 months ago--I haven't even started chelating yet! I have to wait a

week and see how he

interprets the results, but he would prescribe Hydrocortisone if he

thinks I'm hypoadrenal,

and then treat the symptoms.

So--does anyone in Southern California (USA) know of a good " adrenal

aware " doctor in

the area? I'm in Long Beach. I'm hoping for someone contracted with

BlueCross PPO, like

my current endocrinologist is.

Thanks!

Abrenica

March 11, 2008

I don't, but I do know that you can get isocort and try to work this out

for yourself.

He is right about it being likely that you don't have adrenal disease.

The problem is generally not the adrenals, but the brain. Mercury

blocks the signals from the brain to the adrenals, so that you don't

produce cortisol. This is why, even if some cortisol can help, spending

too much time with the endocrinologist can be a big mistake. It's

impossible to fix the problem without detox.

Dave.

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Posted by: " jennifer.robinsong " jennifer.robinsong@...

jennifer.robinsong@...?Subject=%20Re%3ATreating%20adrenals%20First\

--doctor%20in%20SoCal%3F>

jennifer.robinsong http://profiles.yahoo.com/jennifer.robinsong>

Mon Mar 10, 2008 3:29 pm (PDT)

Hi, everyone.

I simply must get my out of control adrenal fatigue symptoms corrected

before starting

Andy's chelation protocol, otherwise, I fear I will disturb myself and

my family greatly.

Dean advised I find an " Adrenal Aware " doctor, which can be hard. I went

to an

endocrinologist today, told him all my " classic adrenal fatigue "

symptoms, he examined

me, and I asked for an ACTH stress test. He said he wouldn't be able to

interpret it, even if

he gave me one. He said the ACTH stress test isn't taken seriously by

any self-respecting

endocrinologist because " there's no baseline level of cortisol--it may

go up, it may go

down, who knows. " So instead, he ordered a cortisol blood test for me

(blood test first,

then injection with ACTH and then another blood draw an hour after

that), to " stimulate the

adrenals and see if they produce cortisol. " I don't know how reliable

this test is going to

be. He said my symptoms are pretty common things most people have,

without having

" Adrenal Disease. " I think, after doing some reading, that my symptoms

are things my

family and I absolutely cannot put up with . . . and all I did is have 3

little fillings removed

2 months ago--I haven't even started chelating yet! I have to wait a

week and see how he

interprets the results, but he would prescribe Hydrocortisone if he

thinks I'm hypoadrenal,

and then treat the symptoms.

So--does anyone in Southern California (USA) know of a good " adrenal

aware " doctor in

the area? I'm in Long Beach. I'm hoping for someone contracted with

BlueCross PPO, like

my current endocrinologist is.

Thanks!

Abrenica

March 11, 2008

I see. Actually, I re-read the passage in Amalgam Illness last night where Andy

said that

very thing--nothing's wrong with the way the adrenals work--it's that the

pituitary is

sending the wrong instructions to the adrenals.

But wouldn't an endocrinologist know about a failing pituitary? I'm telling you,

ALL my

hormones are failing. If there's any organ an endocrinologist should be able to

deal with,

shouldn't it be the master hormone-producer, the pituitary? But this doctor

never said

anything about that possibility, and I'd unfortunately forgotten about that

being the issue,

until after I had the cortisol stimulation test and went home. I think I should

call right

away and have that test cancelled, so I don't have to pay for it.

>

> I don't, but I do know that you can get isocort and try to work this out

> for yourself.

>

> He is right about it being likely that you don't have adrenal disease.

> The problem is generally not the adrenals, but the brain. Mercury

> blocks the signals from the brain to the adrenals, so that you don't

> produce cortisol. This is why, even if some cortisol can help, spending

> too much time with the endocrinologist can be a big mistake. It's

> impossible to fix the problem without detox.

>

> Dave.

>

March 11, 2008

I see. Actually, I re-read the passage in Amalgam Illness last night where Andy

said that

very thing--nothing's wrong with the way the adrenals work--it's that the

pituitary is

sending the wrong instructions to the adrenals.

But wouldn't an endocrinologist know about a failing pituitary? I'm telling you,

ALL my

hormones are failing. If there's any organ an endocrinologist should be able to

deal with,

shouldn't it be the master hormone-producer, the pituitary? But this doctor

never said

anything about that possibility, and I'd unfortunately forgotten about that

being the issue,

until after I had the cortisol stimulation test and went home. I think I should

call right

away and have that test cancelled, so I don't have to pay for it.

>

> I don't, but I do know that you can get isocort and try to work this out

> for yourself.

>

> He is right about it being likely that you don't have adrenal disease.

> The problem is generally not the adrenals, but the brain. Mercury

> blocks the signals from the brain to the adrenals, so that you don't

> produce cortisol. This is why, even if some cortisol can help, spending

> too much time with the endocrinologist can be a big mistake. It's

> impossible to fix the problem without detox.

>

> Dave.

>

March 11, 2008

We are up to our ears in this too. I have a 12 yr dd whose saliva

cortisol was deplorably low and they don't want to treat her.

The test he gave you is the right one Serum cortisol and ACTH Stim

test), it will show a baseline cortisol and then whether or not your

pituitary is working. If it is, then the problem lies in the glands

themselves..which they probably won't treat you for. It does sound

like this guy is very arrogant, and usually know it all arrogant

doctors don't listen to their patients or help them. I would make sure

you get copies of all the labs he does so you can take them with you

and find someone who is not going to be condescending and ignore your

problem. (if you can find someone like that) We are still looking.

What we have done is get on adrenal support once those tests are done.

You can try adrenal cortex or Isocort to help maintain yourself while

you undergo chelation.

The reason your symptoms are so common is that many people have

adrenal fatigue that is untreated. Endo's mainly only treat 's

or Cushings..which most of us don't have.

We have adrenal damage, from various factors...one being mercury. And

most doctors never heard of mercury, or at least act like they haven't.

visit www.stopthethyroidmadness.com for tons of info on endo problems.

How to interpret your tests, and how to treat it if he won't.

I wish you luck in finding a doc, especially one who takes

insurance..since I am finding most good ones don't.

>

> Hi, everyone.

>

> I simply must get my out of control adrenal fatigue symptoms

corrected before starting

> Andy's chelation protocol, otherwise, I fear I will disturb myself

and my family greatly.

>

> Dean advised I find an " Adrenal Aware " doctor, which can be hard. I

went to an

> endocrinologist today, told him all my " classic adrenal fatigue "

symptoms, he examined

> me, and I asked for an ACTH stress test. He said he wouldn't be able

to interpret it, even if

> he gave me one. He said the ACTH stress test isn't taken seriously

by any self-respecting

> endocrinologist because " there's no baseline level of cortisol--it

may go up, it may go

> down, who knows. " So instead, he ordered a cortisol blood test for

me (blood test first,

> then injection with ACTH and then another blood draw an hour after

that), to " stimulate the

> adrenals and see if they produce cortisol. " I don't know how

reliable this test is going to

> be. He said my symptoms are pretty common things most people have,

without having

> " Adrenal Disease. " I think, after doing some reading, that my

symptoms ar

March 11, 2008