Guest guest Posted March 10, 2008 Report Share Posted March 10, 2008 In frequent-dose-chelation Pratt wrote: What is going on? I chelated with EDTA IV's for a year to reduce my lead levels; don't have amalgams and began DMSA at 25 mg in January. ----------Sorry if I don't remember details , but you have never had amalgams, or you had them out a long time ago? How long ago did you do the EDTA IV's? Most lead is stored in your bones and comes out very slowly, and can take years of chelation to reduce the levels, so one year probably wasn't enough. So your first 6 rounds of DMSA at 25mg went fine?----------Jackie Last week I increased the DMSA dosage to 33 and it has been the worst week of my life in many years. Severe pain, depression and tonight I cried for hours -----------I'm very sorry you had such a bad week. You certainly did a reasonable raise in dosage, and I guess we can just never predict when or why sometimes these things happen. I think Andy has said that when you find a comfortable dose, then stick with it for a long time. So possibly 25mg is that comfortable dose for you.----------Jackie after my doctor called and told me my hair analysis from Doctor's Data looked " pretty darn good " . ------------Does your doctor have any experience reading hair tests? If not, I wouldn't put too much stock in those words. If you could post your actual results to the group, then we could help you analyze it, using Andy's Hair Test book. And I think anybody who has any issues with metals other than mercury, should definitely get the Hair Test book, because it has alot of info beyond mercury. You can find out how to post your hair test and to buy the book in the links section.-------Jackie -----------Also, your above reaction to chelation is confirmation that you are toxic, it doesn't really matter what any test OR doctor says. So reduce your dose and just keep chelating.----------Jackie I will be 69 in a few weeks and I wonder if I am just spinning my wheels. My parents had me committed to New York's Psychiatric Institute when I was 20 years old and I spent 3 years there. Here it is, 50 years later, and I am still sick. ------------I believe there is a similar example in the Hair Test book. Many things are misdiagnosed, that are actually heavy metal poisoning. I'm sure there are thousands of sick people that go through their whole life, never knowing that heavy metals may be at the root of their illnesses. At least you're on the right track , even if it isn't any easy road.-----------Jackie Are there people on this website, sitting out there, wondering if they will ever be normal? ------------Yes, I'm sure there is, and sometimes I'm one of them. I certainly expected to be farther along or all better by now, almost 3 years post amalgam removal. But I have had quite a series of events happen to me during this whole time, and I'm actually lucky just to be alive, so I just have to accept that this is going to take me longer than most. So I have had my share of ups and downs, including big scares, so I can certainly feel for you and understand. It really sucks when things go backwards. But I think many of us have had setbacks, and it just seems to be part of the process. So please hang in there, and know that there are better days ahead And remember, we're all here for you -------------Jackie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2008 Report Share Posted March 11, 2008 . This is a good sign that you are indeed mercury toxic. In fact, symptoms in response to chelators is the definitive diagnosis. I know it's not fun, but information is power. Now that you know the problem, you have a chance to do something about it. I've noticed that small changes in dose can make a very big difference. So, it looks like you've found your dose. Just stick with that. And don't listen to that doctor. You know that you aren't " pretty darn good " , whatever he says - and you don't need his understanding. I second everything Jackie said in her response - ask your doctor for a copy of the hair test, and post the results to the list so we can help with interpretation. And now that you've worked out the problem, just keep chelating and work on supplements. They can do a great deal to help. Take a good multi (no iron, no copper), some fish oil, make sure to replace electrolytes, take some zinc, and lots and lots of anti-oxidants. Make sure to distribute them through the day. Take a little with each chelation dose. And take breaks, so you don't overdo it. Dave. --------- Posted by: " Pratt " 1honda@... 1honda@...?Subject=%20Re%3Aincreased%20dmsa%20on%207th%20round\ > hr8072 http://profiles.yahoo.com/hr8072> Mon Mar 10, 2008 8:31 pm (PDT) What is going on? I chelated with EDTA IV's for a year to reduce my lead levels; don't have amalgams and began DMSA at 25 mg in January. Last week I increased the DMSA dosage to 33 and it has been the worst week of my life in many years. Severe pain, depression and tonight I cried for hours after my doctor called and told me my hair analysis from Doctor's Data looked " pretty darn good " . I will be 69 in a few weeks and I wonder if I am just spinning my wheels. My parents had me committed to New York's Psychiatric Institute when I was 20 years old and I spent 3 years there. Here it is, 50 years later, and I am still sick. Are there people on this website, sitting out there, wondering if they will ever be normal? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2008 Report Share Posted March 11, 2008 . This is a good sign that you are indeed mercury toxic. In fact, symptoms in response to chelators is the definitive diagnosis. I know it's not fun, but information is power. Now that you know the problem, you have a chance to do something about it. I've noticed that small changes in dose can make a very big difference. So, it looks like you've found your dose. Just stick with that. And don't listen to that doctor. You know that you aren't " pretty darn good " , whatever he says - and you don't need his understanding. I second everything Jackie said in her response - ask your doctor for a copy of the hair test, and post the results to the list so we can help with interpretation. And now that you've worked out the problem, just keep chelating and work on supplements. They can do a great deal to help. Take a good multi (no iron, no copper), some fish oil, make sure to replace electrolytes, take some zinc, and lots and lots of anti-oxidants. Make sure to distribute them through the day. Take a little with each chelation dose. And take breaks, so you don't overdo it. Dave. --------- Posted by: " Pratt " 1honda@... 1honda@...?Subject=%20Re%3Aincreased%20dmsa%20on%207th%20round\ > hr8072 http://profiles.yahoo.com/hr8072> Mon Mar 10, 2008 8:31 pm (PDT) What is going on? I chelated with EDTA IV's for a year to reduce my lead levels; don't have amalgams and began DMSA at 25 mg in January. Last week I increased the DMSA dosage to 33 and it has been the worst week of my life in many years. Severe pain, depression and tonight I cried for hours after my doctor called and told me my hair analysis from Doctor's Data looked " pretty darn good " . I will be 69 in a few weeks and I wonder if I am just spinning my wheels. My parents had me committed to New York's Psychiatric Institute when I was 20 years old and I spent 3 years there. Here it is, 50 years later, and I am still sick. Are there people on this website, sitting out there, wondering if they will ever be normal? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2008 Report Share Posted March 11, 2008 < snip > > Are there people on this website, sitting out there, wondering if they will ever be normal? > > > Absolutely. I am one of those that took ALA in high doses as an antioxidant while I still had (11) amalgams. It really worries me when I read that such damage can be " permanent " . I don't know if I am beyond hope or not. But I keep plugging away because I don't know how to resign myself to living like this for the rest of my life. On the other hand, I'm 53 and wondering if I have enough years left to make any effort worthwhile, so seeing you still willing to work at it at 69 gives me a lot of hope! Keep the faith and keep up the effort! And thanks for posting! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2008 Report Share Posted March 11, 2008 < snip > > Are there people on this website, sitting out there, wondering if they will ever be normal? > > > Absolutely. I am one of those that took ALA in high doses as an antioxidant while I still had (11) amalgams. It really worries me when I read that such damage can be " permanent " . I don't know if I am beyond hope or not. But I keep plugging away because I don't know how to resign myself to living like this for the rest of my life. On the other hand, I'm 53 and wondering if I have enough years left to make any effort worthwhile, so seeing you still willing to work at it at 69 gives me a lot of hope! Keep the faith and keep up the effort! And thanks for posting! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2008 Report Share Posted March 11, 2008 - take heart. Chelation is never a straight one-way ticket to wellness. There are always twists and turns and backsliding. I'm way better than I was when I started, but I've certainly had rough patches where I wondered if the progress I thought I was making was just a phantom. Invariably I have bounced ahead after such episodes and experienced better health than I had in a long time. Keep your mind on the following - your bad reaction to the increased dmsa is a good thing - it strongly suggests that mercury and or lead are indeed your problems. People DO get way better with chelating - but it takes patience and time. And LOW doses! Go back down to a comfortable dose, stay there for a good long while, then increase SLOWLY! Personally I have never and will never go over 25 mg dmsa (my current dose is 25 mg ala and 12.5 mg dmsa every 3 hours). And I weigh 185 lbs. I just don't see the need. Chelation is a long-term proposition, so might as well be comfortable. In fact, if you're on the right dose, my theory is that you should feel better on round, or at least no worse. Dean increased dmsa on 7th round What is going on? I chelated with EDTA IV's for a year to reduce my lead levels; don't have amalgams and began DMSA at 25 mg in January. Last week I increased the DMSA dosage to 33 and it has been the worst week of my life in many years. Severe pain, depression and tonight I cried for hours after my doctor called and told me my hair analysis from Doctor's Data looked " pretty darn good " . I will be 69 in a few weeks and I wonder if I am just spinning my wheels. My parents had me committed to New York's Psychiatric Institute when I was 20 years old and I spent 3 years there. Here it is, 50 years later, and I am still sick. Are there people on this website, sitting out there, wondering if they will ever be normal? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2008 Report Share Posted March 11, 2008 - take heart. Chelation is never a straight one-way ticket to wellness. There are always twists and turns and backsliding. I'm way better than I was when I started, but I've certainly had rough patches where I wondered if the progress I thought I was making was just a phantom. Invariably I have bounced ahead after such episodes and experienced better health than I had in a long time. Keep your mind on the following - your bad reaction to the increased dmsa is a good thing - it strongly suggests that mercury and or lead are indeed your problems. People DO get way better with chelating - but it takes patience and time. And LOW doses! Go back down to a comfortable dose, stay there for a good long while, then increase SLOWLY! Personally I have never and will never go over 25 mg dmsa (my current dose is 25 mg ala and 12.5 mg dmsa every 3 hours). And I weigh 185 lbs. I just don't see the need. Chelation is a long-term proposition, so might as well be comfortable. In fact, if you're on the right dose, my theory is that you should feel better on round, or at least no worse. Dean increased dmsa on 7th round What is going on? I chelated with EDTA IV's for a year to reduce my lead levels; don't have amalgams and began DMSA at 25 mg in January. Last week I increased the DMSA dosage to 33 and it has been the worst week of my life in many years. Severe pain, depression and tonight I cried for hours after my doctor called and told me my hair analysis from Doctor's Data looked " pretty darn good " . I will be 69 in a few weeks and I wonder if I am just spinning my wheels. My parents had me committed to New York's Psychiatric Institute when I was 20 years old and I spent 3 years there. Here it is, 50 years later, and I am still sick. Are there people on this website, sitting out there, wondering if they will ever be normal? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2008 Report Share Posted March 11, 2008 Jackie jtrunt@...> wrote: In frequent-dose-chelation Pratt wrote: What is going on? I chelated with EDTA IV's for a year to reduce my lead levels; don't have amalgams and began DMSA at 25 mg in January. ----------Sorry if I don't remember details , but you have never had amalgams, or you had them out a long time ago? How long ago did you do the EDTA IV's? Most lead is stored in your bones and comes out very slowly, and can take years of chelation to reduce the levels, so one year probably wasn't enough. So your first 6 rounds of DMSA at 25mg went fine?----------Jackie ......I had amalgams many years ago, but they must have fallen out. My last EDTA IV was in Dec 2007. I did fine on 25 mg DMSA. " ------------Does your doctor have any experience reading hair tests? No and I will see my doctor next week and get a copy of the Hair Test. ..------------I believe there is a similar example in the Hair Test book. Many things are misdiagnosed, that are actually heavy metal poisoning. I have both of Andy's books and on page 67 he references publications written in or before 1960 that address heavy metal poisoning. 1960 was the year I was committed to Columbia's New York Institute for Psychiatric treatment. I don't think any of those doctors had any experience with metal toxicity. After 3 years they let me out with a bag full of medications. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2008 Report Share Posted March 11, 2008 Jackie jtrunt@...> wrote: In frequent-dose-chelation Pratt wrote: What is going on? I chelated with EDTA IV's for a year to reduce my lead levels; don't have amalgams and began DMSA at 25 mg in January. ----------Sorry if I don't remember details , but you have never had amalgams, or you had them out a long time ago? How long ago did you do the EDTA IV's? Most lead is stored in your bones and comes out very slowly, and can take years of chelation to reduce the levels, so one year probably wasn't enough. So your first 6 rounds of DMSA at 25mg went fine?----------Jackie ......I had amalgams many years ago, but they must have fallen out. My last EDTA IV was in Dec 2007. I did fine on 25 mg DMSA. " ------------Does your doctor have any experience reading hair tests? No and I will see my doctor next week and get a copy of the Hair Test. ..------------I believe there is a similar example in the Hair Test book. Many things are misdiagnosed, that are actually heavy metal poisoning. I have both of Andy's books and on page 67 he references publications written in or before 1960 that address heavy metal poisoning. 1960 was the year I was committed to Columbia's New York Institute for Psychiatric treatment. I don't think any of those doctors had any experience with metal toxicity. After 3 years they let me out with a bag full of medications. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2008 Report Share Posted March 11, 2008 Jackie jtrunt@...> wrote: In frequent-dose-chelation Pratt wrote: What is going on? I chelated with EDTA IV's for a year to reduce my lead levels; don't have amalgams and began DMSA at 25 mg in January. ----------Sorry if I don't remember details , but you have never had amalgams, or you had them out a long time ago? How long ago did you do the EDTA IV's? Most lead is stored in your bones and comes out very slowly, and can take years of chelation to reduce the levels, so one year probably wasn't enough. So your first 6 rounds of DMSA at 25mg went fine?----------Jackie ......I had amalgams many years ago, but they must have fallen out. My last EDTA IV was in Dec 2007. I did fine on 25 mg DMSA. " ------------Does your doctor have any experience reading hair tests? No and I will see my doctor next week and get a copy of the Hair Test. ..------------I believe there is a similar example in the Hair Test book. Many things are misdiagnosed, that are actually heavy metal poisoning. I have both of Andy's books and on page 67 he references publications written in or before 1960 that address heavy metal poisoning. 1960 was the year I was committed to Columbia's New York Institute for Psychiatric treatment. I don't think any of those doctors had any experience with metal toxicity. After 3 years they let me out with a bag full of medications. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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