Re: epsom salt bath seem to cause redistribution..could this be??

[Guest guest]

Better replace that cat with one that talks...

jk..

I also have had very weird reactions from one epsom bath in the past.

Havent tried it since.

>

> I was feeling pretty good for the last 5 days..sunday spent a lot of

> time outside doing light work building a deck..

>

> was feeeling quite good and motivated, washed my car ran errands

>

> thought an epsom salt bath would be good and it seemed to create many

> problems..aches, burning in hands and legs; mental stress a little

> anger/shortness ...which is still going on today... ie just do not feel

> like talking to anyone but the cat (who never talks back to me)

>

> Thanks

>

>

[Guest guest]

hey JK.

are you chelating?

what were your weird reactions?

I have had epsom baths before and not this reaction...sometimes it

exhausts me so i do not do it that often... I am wonderring if it

(the epsom bath reaction) is due to liver sensitivity from overdoing

the ALA and other chelators a few weeks ago

Thanks

michael

-- In frequent-dose-chelation , " per h "

wrote:

> Better replace that cat with one that talks...

> jk..

>

> I also have had very weird reactions from one epsom bath in the

> past. Havent tried it since.

>

--- I was feeling pretty good for the last 5 days..sunday spent a lot

--- of time outside doing light work building a deck..

--- was feeeling quite good and motivated, washed my car ran errands

--- thought an epsom salt bath would be good and it seemed to create

--- many problems..aches, burning in hands and legs; mental stress a

--- little anger/shortness ...which is still going on today... ie

--- just do not feel like talking to anyone but the cat (who never

--- talks back to me)

--- Thanks

---

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Mike - Epsom salts are sulfate. If you are high in sulfate, you don't

want more. I don't know exactly what kind of symptoms sulfate might

produce in a high-sulfate person, since I haven't experienced it, but

given your reaction (and all those sound like mercury tox symptoms), it

is possible that you are high in sulfate.

Check post 57707.

Dave.

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Mon Mar 10, 2008 3:29 pm (PDT)

I was feeling pretty good for the last 5 days..sunday spent a lot of

time outside doing light work building a deck..

was feeeling quite good and motivated, washed my car ran errands

thought an epsom salt bath would be good and it seemed to create many

problems..aches, burning in hands and legs; mental stress a little

anger/shortness ...which is still going on today... ie just do not feel

like talking to anyone but the cat (who never talks back to me)

Thanks

[Guest guest]

Mike - Epsom salts are sulfate. If you are high in sulfate, you don't

want more. I don't know exactly what kind of symptoms sulfate might

produce in a high-sulfate person, since I haven't experienced it, but

given your reaction (and all those sound like mercury tox symptoms), it

is possible that you are high in sulfate.

Check post 57707.

Dave.

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Mon Mar 10, 2008 3:29 pm (PDT)

I was feeling pretty good for the last 5 days..sunday spent a lot of

time outside doing light work building a deck..

was feeeling quite good and motivated, washed my car ran errands

thought an epsom salt bath would be good and it seemed to create many

problems..aches, burning in hands and legs; mental stress a little

anger/shortness ...which is still going on today... ie just do not feel

like talking to anyone but the cat (who never talks back to me)

Thanks

[Guest guest]

> I have had epsom baths before and not this reaction...sometimes it

> exhausts me so i do not do it that often... I am wonderring if it

> --- I was feeling pretty good for the last 5 days..sunday spent a lot

> --- of time outside doing light work building a deck..

>

> --- was feeeling quite good and motivated, washed my car ran errands

> --- thought an epsom salt bath would be good and it seemed to create

> --- many problems..aches, burning in hands and legs; mental stress a

> --- little anger/shortness ...which is still going on today... ie

> --- just do not feel like talking to anyone but the cat (who never

> --- talks back to me)

It could be that the sulfates from your epsom salt bath allowed your

body to get rid of adrenaline faster than you usually do. Your

description sounds like you may have been running on adrenaline for

extended periods (common in adrenal fatigue when adrenals do not put

out sufficient cortisol). I think the sudden lack of adrenaline can

cause everything you described.

Just a thought.

Cutler's comments on sulfation of adrenaline:

http://onibasu.com/archives/am/39059.html

Jay

[Guest guest]

> I have had epsom baths before and not this reaction...sometimes it

> exhausts me so i do not do it that often... I am wonderring if it

> --- I was feeling pretty good for the last 5 days..sunday spent a lot

> --- of time outside doing light work building a deck..

>

> --- was feeeling quite good and motivated, washed my car ran errands

> --- thought an epsom salt bath would be good and it seemed to create

> --- many problems..aches, burning in hands and legs; mental stress a

> --- little anger/shortness ...which is still going on today... ie

> --- just do not feel like talking to anyone but the cat (who never

> --- talks back to me)

It could be that the sulfates from your epsom salt bath allowed your

body to get rid of adrenaline faster than you usually do. Your

description sounds like you may have been running on adrenaline for

extended periods (common in adrenal fatigue when adrenals do not put

out sufficient cortisol). I think the sudden lack of adrenaline can

cause everything you described.

Just a thought.

Cutler's comments on sulfation of adrenaline:

http://onibasu.com/archives/am/39059.html

Jay

[Guest guest]

Hi . I've done lots of epsom salt baths. Over time I made them

stronger and stronger and hotter and hotter until I started getting

what can only be called detox reactions in the following days.

There seems to be a fine line between feeling fine and detoxing too

much and feeling crappy. So now, I go easy of the Epsom salts. I used

to use 2 large cups of Epsom salts, plus 1 cup of bicarb soda, plus 8

capfuls of 35pct H202. That was in a very hot bath for 25-30 mins,

followed by a freezing cold shower. But because of the detox reaction

I halved the doses….now I get no detox reactions afterwards.

Now I use 1 cup Epsom salts, ½ cup bicarb soda and 4 capfuls of H202.

Sunshine

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>

> Better replace that cat with one that talks...

>

> jk..

>

> I also have had very weird reactions from one epsom bath in the

past.

> Havent tried it since.

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi . I've done lots of epsom salt baths. Over time I made them

stronger and stronger and hotter and hotter until I started getting

what can only be called detox reactions in the following days.

There seems to be a fine line between feeling fine and detoxing too

much and feeling crappy. So now, I go easy of the Epsom salts. I used

to use 2 large cups of Epsom salts, plus 1 cup of bicarb soda, plus 8

capfuls of 35pct H202. That was in a very hot bath for 25-30 mins,

followed by a freezing cold shower. But because of the detox reaction

I halved the doses….now I get no detox reactions afterwards.

Now I use 1 cup Epsom salts, ½ cup bicarb soda and 4 capfuls of H202.

Sunshine

>

>

> Better replace that cat with one that talks...

>

> jk..

>

> I also have had very weird reactions from one epsom bath in the

past.

> Havent tried it since.

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

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> I was feeling pretty good for the last 5 days..sunday spent a lot of

> time outside doing light work building a deck..

>

> was feeeling quite good and motivated, washed my car ran errands

It's great that you're having some good days!

> thought an epsom salt bath would be good and it seemed to create many

> problems..aches, burning in hands and legs; mental stress a little

> anger/shortness ...which is still going on today... ie just do not feel

> like talking to anyone but the cat (who never talks back to me)

When your body hasn't seen enough magnesium and/or sulfate for a long

time, first it has to figure out what the heck to do with the amount

of it that is suddenly pouring in - this would cause more immediate

reactions. Then it has to catch up on the processes that use these

substances, which probably over a period of hours and days uses up

extra energy making you more tired, uses up more of other nutrients

leading to depletion of these, could temporarily increase toxic burden

as the by-products of the catching-up processes get a little backed

up, and I'm sure there are other reasons for side effects, too. I was

just reading that magnesium improves immune function and helps fight

infection, so that is another possible cause of symptoms.

You might want to back off on the amount of salts you use next time

and see if that helps. Epsom salt baths were really hard on me at

first - and I was so used to having weird effects from stuff that I

put up with it for awhile. But after a few too many bad reactions

(weak, nauseous, red-faced, heart pounding, trembly, nearly passed

out a few times), I stopped, then re-started with just a sprinkle of

salts and worked up from there. I was much more comfortable that way.

I also found it was important to do them regularly, if I skipped for

a while, the symptoms came back.

I really can't see any mechanism by which epsom salt baths can cause

redistribution. Sometimes restoring our body does cause symptoms

as we replenish, adjust, and catch up on the jobs our body needs to

do. The way to minimize discomfort is to reduce doses of supplements

and other treatments until they are better tolerated. Just like

chelators you increase the dose slowly.

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> Thanks

>

>

[Guest guest]

>

> I was feeling pretty good for the last 5 days..sunday spent a lot of

> time outside doing light work building a deck..

>

> was feeeling quite good and motivated, washed my car ran errands

It's great that you're having some good days!

> thought an epsom salt bath would be good and it seemed to create many

> problems..aches, burning in hands and legs; mental stress a little

> anger/shortness ...which is still going on today... ie just do not feel

> like talking to anyone but the cat (who never talks back to me)

When your body hasn't seen enough magnesium and/or sulfate for a long

time, first it has to figure out what the heck to do with the amount

of it that is suddenly pouring in - this would cause more immediate

reactions. Then it has to catch up on the processes that use these

substances, which probably over a period of hours and days uses up

extra energy making you more tired, uses up more of other nutrients

leading to depletion of these, could temporarily increase toxic burden

as the by-products of the catching-up processes get a little backed

up, and I'm sure there are other reasons for side effects, too. I was

just reading that magnesium improves immune function and helps fight

infection, so that is another possible cause of symptoms.

You might want to back off on the amount of salts you use next time

and see if that helps. Epsom salt baths were really hard on me at

first - and I was so used to having weird effects from stuff that I

put up with it for awhile. But after a few too many bad reactions

(weak, nauseous, red-faced, heart pounding, trembly, nearly passed

out a few times), I stopped, then re-started with just a sprinkle of

salts and worked up from there. I was much more comfortable that way.

I also found it was important to do them regularly, if I skipped for

a while, the symptoms came back.

I really can't see any mechanism by which epsom salt baths can cause

redistribution. Sometimes restoring our body does cause symptoms

as we replenish, adjust, and catch up on the jobs our body needs to

do. The way to minimize discomfort is to reduce doses of supplements

and other treatments until they are better tolerated. Just like

chelators you increase the dose slowly.

--

> Thanks

>

>

[Guest guest]

thats a lot of h2o2, I usually add 2-3 cups of 35%,food grade only. I

talked once to a herbalist that stated that Dr used to

recommend epson salts and an herb(cant recall) to detox lead. I dont

know more but I think it was too much h202, it def will clean you out.

GOod luck.

Vivian

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> > Better replace that cat with one that talks...

> >

> > jk..

> >

> > I also have had very weird reactions from one epsom bath in the

> past.

> > Havent tried it since.

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[Guest guest]

thats a lot of h2o2, I usually add 2-3 cups of 35%,food grade only. I

talked once to a herbalist that stated that Dr used to

recommend epson salts and an herb(cant recall) to detox lead. I dont

know more but I think it was too much h202, it def will clean you out.

GOod luck.

Vivian

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> >

> > Better replace that cat with one that talks...

> >

> > jk..

> >

> > I also have had very weird reactions from one epsom bath in the

> past.

> > Havent tried it since.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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[Guest guest]

thats a lot of h2o2, I usually add 2-3 cups of 35%,food grade only. I

talked once to a herbalist that stated that Dr used to

recommend epson salts and an herb(cant recall) to detox lead. I dont

know more but I think it was too much h202, it def will clean you out.

GOod luck.

Vivian

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> >

> > Better replace that cat with one that talks...

> >

> > jk..

> >

> > I also have had very weird reactions from one epsom bath in the

> past.

> > Havent tried it since.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Micheal,

Just wondering what state you are in?

>

> I was feeling pretty good for the last 5 days..sunday spent a lot of

> time outside doing light work building a deck..

>

> was feeeling quite good and motivated, washed my car ran errands

>

> thought an epsom salt bath would be good and it seemed to create many

> problems..aches, burning in hands and legs; mental stress a little

> anger/shortness ...which is still going on today... ie just do not feel

> like talking to anyone but the cat (who never talks back to me)

>

> Thanks

>

>

[Guest guest]

Micheal,

Just wondering what state you are in?

>

> I was feeling pretty good for the last 5 days..sunday spent a lot of

> time outside doing light work building a deck..

>

> was feeeling quite good and motivated, washed my car ran errands

>

> thought an epsom salt bath would be good and it seemed to create many

> problems..aches, burning in hands and legs; mental stress a little

> anger/shortness ...which is still going on today... ie just do not feel

> like talking to anyone but the cat (who never talks back to me)

>

> Thanks

>

>

[Guest guest]

california

>

> Micheal,

> Just wondering what state you are in?

>

[Guest guest]

california

>

> Micheal,

> Just wondering what state you are in?

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Dave, yeah, I know epsom salt baths don't detox the mercury. I

guess I must be low sulphate then because I always feel fantastic

after an Epsom salt baths (unless I make them too strong.) Really

opens up my skin, allows me to sweat which I always benefit from. I

add other stuff too. 1 pint of apple cider vinegar is just incredible

for skin issues. If this stuff was not so inexpensive…..many more

people would know about these things.

Re H202…just to make clear…that's capfuls…not cupfuls? The little cap

on the H202 bottle, 4 cApfuls in the bath. If I used cupfuls I think

I would dissolve…LOL

Sunshine;-)

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> Sunshine.

>

> The epsom salts don't help you detox. They do help you absorb

sulfate if

> you need it - and only people low in sulfate need it.

>

> Another way to get it is to include it in your electrolyte mix.

>

> So, epsom salts are more like a supplement, they are not a chelator.

>

> Dave.

>

>

[Guest guest]

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I think you might want to reconsider the use of hydrogen peroxide.

[Guest guest]

>

I think you might want to reconsider the use of hydrogen peroxide.